Borderlands 2 Ultimate Ranking of Gun Manufacturers

[@Derchlands]

Make sure you all check out Residual Culture Podcast @ www.nichepod.com/residual-culture/ Also we can talk pop culture in thier Facebook page comments section here facebook.com/ResidualCulture/

[@Divinemakyr]

do you have any idea where molmf is?

[@matthewhull8282]

Derchlands between BL1 Jakobs guns and BL2 Jakobs, which do you prefer.

[@ysoserious8526]

It is amazing that you come back after 11 months with such a quality BL2 video. It just feels like you were never gone. :-)

[@ssbenj3523]

Superb as ever Derch. Amazingly, the only slight disagreement I had was the good and bad touch should be 4s when you consider the healing AND the +70% crit bonus. If the florentine is a 4, they are for me.

[@Derchlands]

Yeah I was torn with those, I see your point for sure

[@Derchlands]

Here is a link to the sheet I used to rank everything www.dropbox.com/s/jx6gt61tzr5l9k2/Gun%20Company%20Rankings.xlsx?dl=0 Also corrections - 12 Pounder is a drop from big sheep, not a quest reward. Thanks Faily Failracer

[@kostasmetalnerf]

cool

[@spiderden666]

Derch, correct me if Im wrong but isnt the Buffalo gun the one with Iron Sight and not the Elephant Gun?

[@Derchlands]

I could of messed those 2 up.

[@atlys258]

Great video Derch, great scoring. I love using 3's because a lot of them are just fun to use like the Tinderbox w/double prefix. But just because they're fun and I like them doesn't mean they have to be a 5.

[@aiabby8007]

The Sloth is amazing. I never even knew it existed until I saw your video on it, and after that I just started using it on my Sniper Zer0 and generally on Sirens. It's frankly an all-purpose weapon that hits like a train, and because it fires slowly, you can easily un-scope to stop the burst, making ammo conservation very easy and intuitive. Definitely an underrated weapon.

[@irkoz2403]

Welcome back man. I'm really happy to see new video from you :)

[@goatbot9733]

I'm glad you were finally able to get those pants back off and get to playing again.

[@killiangreen9857]

Damn man. Just watched the whole thing and didn’t even realize that an hour and a half had passed. Great video, and I can’t wait to watch your others!

[@xTheReapersSpawn]

Just making a more detailed note for my own easier reference (I know 'stamps are in the description): #8 Red Text = 4:48 #8 Non-Red Text = 11:22 #7 Red Text = 17:14 #7 Non-Red Text = 22:22 #6 Red Text = 25:09 #6 Non-Red Text = 35:07 #5 Red Text = 39:19 #5 Non-Red Text = 42:18 #4 Red Text = 44:16 #4 Non-Red Text = 52:51 #3 Red Text = 56:25 #3 Non-Red Text = 1:01:37 #2 Red Text = 1:04:18 #2 Non-Red Text = 1:10:58 #1 Red Text = 1:13:50 #1 Non-Red Text = 1:19:17

[@jwilson732]

Good to have you back. I’ve been rewatching your character guides and tgtbatu because I got a borderlands kick the other day. As always, it’s nice to see another Derch video

[@guerrinlove69]

Derch, in the time it took between this video and your last one, I graduated high school, did an internship at Mahle Pistons, enlisted in the Army, went through hell at Infantry OSUT in Ft Benning, GA, went to Airborne School, now I'm at Ft. Bragg in the 82nd Airborne Div. I decided to get back into borderlands and wanted to see what you were up to in recent videos and it turns out I haven't missed much haha. Welcome back man

[@liamhome1664]

He's back in style, with an hour-long video! That's how you do a top-10 right, you give it the time the topic deserves.

[@Derchlands]

Technically bspeaking top8 lol

[@LeperFriend1837]

Glad to see you still exist. As a jakobs fan, I must say that it's also nice not having to swap a lot. No elemental bonus, but on characters with little to no swap speed like Maya, it's less of a hassle at times.

[@gamma867]

Excited to see a new video Derch

[@btothep1374]

First video back and it's over an hour long, thank you so much

[@M_Dragon]

happy to see you back, you make great content!

[@Tysonyar]

Holy shit, Derch is back! Good to see you man!

[@TheDougkiwi]

More than anybody else, you got me into this game, thanks! And welcome back.

[@Derchlands]

That's a high compliment, thanks

[@SeniorShinanigans]

Love you derch. happy to see you back, even if youre only back temporarily

[@ysoserious8526]

It is good to have you back again. I/we missed you!!!

[@kunichuck]

My 2 cents: First of all, even before watching this, If your list didn't have Vladof as #1 (or at worst 2), I would have been shocked. Without any methodology, just based on my personal impression, I would have rated them like this: Vladof (everything they make is good.... everything, even their Etech snipers and ARs) Hyperion (Great gimmick, great red texts, solid everything except snipers) Maliwan (Solid across the board, with a few superstars) Jakobs (Harry Potter jelly beans mix of awesome and terrible. nothing in between) Dahl (middle of the pack, burst mechanics is a matter of taste. some great red texts, snipers are very underrated) Torgue (Shotguns, Harold, Nukem, Ogre, and Kerblaster...that's it...everything else is bad) Bandit (So close to being good, very few truly good red texts. awesome SMGs and launchers save them from being last) Tediore (Cornucopia of "meh", very few red texts to begin with, fewer still that are good ) I was surprised at Torgue's placement on the list, but it makes sense when you break it down. I was also surprised by Dahl's placement, but I guess I simply forgot about some of their guns. I found myself agreeing with you to within 1 point on pretty much everything (some of your 3s I would have put at 2 or 4 etc...) Except the following 2 things: To me, Bandit SMGs are a 5. I would understand the argument to have Hyperion as the best, but not much lower than that. They have high damage, high fire rate, high mag size, work with any grip or accessory. I think in this case, being a very methodical Maya player is affecting your perception of what SMGs can do. The Logan's gun isn't a 3 to me. So many guns can do the sham trick (darts, ARs with the torgue barrel...etc), the Logan's gun is just the fastest. To me it's hovering between a 1 and a 2. --- And as for the methodology, I could not disagree with you: it would be too much of a chore to try and balance the relative weight in value of each sort of guns and how having bad offerings might not be as important as how many good things are offered... I can't think of a way to make a list like this that would be satisfactory either, so I think overall you did a good job of assessment. The one thing I would have changed is ranking the non-red text guns like you did the red-text ones: individually on their merit instead of from best to worst. As in: If the worst brand for a weapon type is still very good, it doesn't deserve a rating of 1. This is particularly true for SMGs for example: they are all good and the difference between them is marginal at best. Same with shotguns: the 3rd best brand is still worth almost a 5. Also, things like ... is having a bunch of crap red text in your lineup makes you less good overall ? Should we instead judge a manufacturer by how many GOOD offerings they have instead of looking at them all ? That could be another video :) Some of the brands in there might have gotten a slightly different score, but I don't think it would have changed the ranking by much. Overall, I agree with your conclusions, and your choice of methodology.

[@kunichuck]

Here's a completely different methodology that I think would also yield interesting results: - For each guns (red text or no) that would earn a ranking of 5 in your previous methodology, give the manufacturer 2 points. - Then do the same thing for the guns that get rank 4 (or solid 3s), and give the manufacturer 1 point for those - Everything that gets a (weak) 3 or a 2 is worth 0... they are the pack, what other guns are judged by, they are there so that the game has guns for us to play with. Everyone makes guns, so we shouldn't be bothering with them. The difference between a Bandit pistol and a Tediore one is not worth mentionning, only what stands out does. - Everything NON-red text that gets a 1 substracts 1 point from the score (Non-red text only: you can always ignore a specific red text gun as being a goof (Torgue isn't worse overall because the boom puppy exists), But if ALL pistols from manufacturer X are bad, that just reduces the loot pool of usable things in the game. - And finally, grant each manufacturer a discretionary amount of points from, say, 1 to 5 to account for their gimmicks and particularities (Burst, slow bullets, splash, never being elemental, always being elemental, increased DoT, chucking, reverse recoil, inherent crit bonus, etc... ) I would like to see that list :)

[@Derchlands]

Great points on the Logan's gun. I tried to not penalize a brand for a gimmick unless it held them back, like not being able to match elements, slow bullet speed. Some don't like burst fire or reverse recoil but they don't really harm the brands.

[@kunichuck]

Also: Glad you're back my friend :)

[@banriswirl6414]

I like this idea.

[@StarlightTrail3]

DeputyChuck You forgot Torgue Spitters, Swordsplosion, Pocket Rocket and Flakker. Torgue assault rifles are actually not bad.

[@bradley9037]

You're baaaack omfg Quality content, as usual. Actually, this is quite a high note to come back on, even more informative and quality than usual ^_^

[@KP-lq2ux]

just found your channel last month, glad to see you're back at it!

[@Derchlands]

Good timing

[@sunshinehappyfuntimes]

I just got Bl2 on PSVR last night and I find this video of yours and now I'm subscribed to your buddies podcast and your channel too.

[@fattytaft6779]

Seeing some Borderlands videos in my feed make me want to play this game again, it has been a while for me.

[@englebertmagentaschweiger1447]

How glad I am to see you posting again!

[@Derchlands]

working on another one right now

[@englebertmagentaschweiger1447]

Great work. Keep it up!

[@JoshSiew]

What a pleasant surprise, welcom back Derch.

[@Derchlands]

Thanks

[@IanOrGoregy]

Holy shit, you are alive. Good to have you back.

[@threePwny]

Ayy! Welcome back! I just started playing with the UCP a month ago, and now you make your triumphant return to KZbin? This is too glorious!

[@CharlesUrban]

You're back! Excellent!

[@AOTLTng]

Welcome back my dude Miss u

[@Derchlands]

And I missed all of you, well most of you

[@AOTLTng]

Derchlands lol

[@matthewduncan2025]

Great to see you make a return. I would change a few small things but overall spot on

[@Derchlands]

Which ones, I'm generally interested. It was hard to go over so many guns.

[@matthewduncan2025]

Sledges shotgun I found to be more useful than a three it’s one of my alternates in a deputy sal build. the chopper I think is worse outside of sal it’s not great. There was one other but I can’t for the life of me remember what it was

[@grandduelslover3055]

@@Derchlands you forgot the orc smg...

[@Steveusmc1986]

welcome back man, love your vids

[@Derchlands]

Thanks

[@camk9242]

So happy you're back!

[@Derchlands]

Happy to be back

[@nathanmoir6209]

Welcome back to youtube Derch!

[@ageidyne]

Oh hey you're back man! Nice seeing a video from you welcome back.

[@KamoErmine]

Woah new title for the channel! Welcome back!

[@Biggerspoon]

Glad to see you again derch. Hope you’re doing well

[@MaliciousMint]

Glad to see a new video by you. I'm excited for Borderlands 3 mostly for the game but almost as much as that I'm excited for the videos you'll make about it.

[@rattlemcbones3047]

HE IS ALIVE!!!

[@MichaelDoesStuff-]

Specter One five tombstone helped ;3

[@goose5996]

I thought you were gone!! Love your videos and welcome back!!

[@JackCooper_Mavia]

Give us your hungry, and we'll give them our leftovers! Give us your poor, and we'll give them a job that might pay! Give us your weary, and we'll make them sing us a song! We are Atlas! Best true Manufacturer is Atlas

[@UncalibratedAimbot]

Goddam finally you’re back! This is all I wanted, just a long video that I can sit down and binge. I don’t turn off Adblock but I will watch this on mobile so you get the ad money for it. Plan on watching this 10 times like every other long form discussion video.

[@Derchlands]

I appreciate that

[@UncalibratedAimbot]

Derchlands and you responded to my comment 😍 I hope this video means you’ll be posting more. Your real fans will understand if you post other games. While you’re known for Borderlands you are also the type of personality that I could watch doing discussion pieces for anything really.

[@UncalibratedAimbot]

Derchlands as for the actual video itself, I’m only 30 minutes in. While at first I disagreed with your bottom two, after listening to your reasoning you make a lot of sense.

[@Derchlands]

Yeah I have one all ready for tomorrow

[@jordyloing8419]

OMG HE ISNT DEAD

[@Divinemakyr]

hyperius with the sawbar is kinda hard but using the sawbar with axton+bee shield=dead terramorphous

[@hoboworldeater]

I really like your content and how in-depth you go

[@jabezrbrain]

WOW! Back from the "dead" - welcome back Derch. Always a pleasure to hear from you again!

[@biofriik]

Holy crap. I was almost going to write a comment on your previous video just this morning asking if you were killed or something.

[@RazorusR3X777]

Poor Sawbar got fucked in 3. Also a CoV pistol that fires like the Tinderbox and gets thrown like a molotov when it overheats would be cool.

[@ethanlewis1832]

Glad your back. Another great video. Small disagreement here and there but won’t change much in general. See where your coming from with almost all rankings. Great job as usual

[@fcgash]

Yay! Had noticed the channel name change the other day, it's great to see you back mate 👍

[@TheServerCrash]

You're still alive! Welcome back to the community!

[@Derchlands]

Thanks

[@massivegat5087]

Does this mean you're back for good? If so we love you! Keep up the great content ^_^

[@Derchlands]

Back for awhile at least

[@marcjones3373]

Welcome back. This made my night.

[@yesmate9202]

Damn didnt even realize it had been almost a year since u last uploaded. Good to have you back!

[@Derchlands]

April 25th 2017 was my last video

[@malcolmtaylor1821]

Nice to see you back Mr Derch

[@TakaBrute]

Idk about anyone else, but before i moved to pc when i had the lyuuda i NEVER saw it named the white nail or whatever on my 360

[@WW-zt1zs]

Derch is the best manufacturer of Borderlands content.Welcome back

[@Derchlands]

Recently I watched a lot of SupMatta and he has really high quality content, I also noticed puma has really upped his game as well.

[@lonelywolf8734]

Derchlands killersix and jolz are also pretty cool

[@StarlightTrail3]

"Puma upped his game" He released a video calling almost every good legendary gun bad.

[@Blu9ty]

He's alive!!!

[@Derchlands]

God damn right and apparently I brought the beef

[@markobeble625]

im soo happy that you are back

[@Derchlands]

Thanks

[@however3255]

oh its good to see you in my youtube feed again

[@TofuRabbit]

Glad to hear from you again bud, hope you're doing alright (:

[@Derchlands]

Doing great, thanks.

[@Derchlands]

Now I have to dig back into the community mods, I'm so behind

[@TofuRabbit]

Glad to hear (: And regarding modding, it's been a while since I "officially retired" lol, I don't really know where things are right now but as I hear it hasn't changed much since we pretty much hit a hard wall long ago. Last cool things I made were the Pocket Knife and the Black Dove, in case you want to see what you "missed" from me. Regardless, as I said it's nice to see you back at it, was a bit worried about you lol.

[@Derchlands]

I'll check them out

[@Jalitachi10]

I am so fucking hyped that your back! Absolutely love your content

[@threePwny]

Of note on the Florentine, it does indeed have a shock pellet and slag splash. Dumped the code to check, and yes, it uses the same bullet behavior definitions as the Chulainn. Also confirmed on the test dummy because I still sometimes suck at reading the code. I don't think that'd change its score, but yeah. Shock pellet, slag splash, same as Chulainn (which would be good if not for the self-slag). Also, funny anecdote on Hyperion, I used to hate Hyperion snipers, because I was an idiot and thought the initial sway on snipers was just so stupid and I just refused to use them. But then I realized you also get the increased accuracy just for staying ADS, so there's no need to waste ammo to zero them in. Just wait a second.

[@jonpresley1163]

Awesome content as always dude. You're the reason I started playing Maya lol she's pretty badass

[@tristanwolfram7274]

The elephant gun is the slower gun with no iron sights, bison has the iron sights (and is my second favorite red text Jakob’s)

[@theninjaassassin4468]

Gladly clicked on the notification bell icon. Love you Derch :)

[@somebodythatscool]

Yay! We’ve missed you!!!

[@jostgar]

Very interesting video, didn't even realize an hour and a half passed when I finished watching!

[@ghettoblaster1369]

Derch

[@KCAPELGAE]

What defines the Greed for me isn't the fire damage, it's having no movement penalty while aiming. Also, nice to see you return!

[@xTheReapersSpawn]

First comment on one of your vids. Daddy Derch is back! I missed your sweet sultry voice... lol. Thanks for the content over the years, I've learned so much from your channel and other community members you've highlighted!

[@Ravenjim93]

Welcome back derch!

[@CptMooney]

I remember reading somewhere, just a couple days ago without having the chance to test it yet, that the Chulainn has a "party effect", simmilar to the sheriffs/deputies batch etc, where the self-slag doesent apply if the guns wielded by more than one party member at a time. If thats actually true, and not a pile of bogus, this would easily put the gun at a solid 4, maybe even a 5. The damage it dishes out IS really, really high, and if you can circumvent the indeed detremental negative effect...

[@JadeIsBunny]

Torgue isn't hurt by not being able to match elements. They have explosive element across the board, and they benefit from grenade damage bonuses, explosive relics, all that kind of stuff. I mean, is *jakobs* hurt by not being able to match elements? In a way, yes, but 75% plus relics on top of the crazy high base damage would be broken. So in a way... not really.

[@RazorusR3X777]

Ironically torgue is one of the best manufacturers in 3. Although they do have the most god awful legendary in the game associated with them.

[@valroniclehre193]

Going through these vids for nostalgia sake. Might even max out a character or two. Edit: nevermind they locked me out of my favorite area unless i pay more money. Screw borderlands.

[@The_Knowledgeseekers]

good to see you back

[@Derchlands]

Thanks

[@bodabaker6428]

Happy to see u back derch😄

[@TOMxLEON]

Welcome back Derch ! Hope we can see Man of Low Moral Fiber return as well.

[@Derchlands]

I hope so too but I haven't heard from him in a long ass time

[@grandduelslover3055]

@@Derchlands he left because... type man of low moral fiber rant and check the k6 tweet

[@WTK55]

About time we get into another vid!

[@AdaGonzalez42]

Oh shit!!! You're back!

[@Derchlands]

That I am

[@gringomoderfoquer8287]

I miss you, Derch, i am happy you're back

[@SonGoku-nz5up]

I do agree with a lot of the points you made about Torgue but the Kerblaster is definitely a great AR on Axton. And definitely, agree with the vladof launchers as #1 since they have the Topneaa The double barrel Torgue shotgun is the "Pounder"

[@kingskitties8534]

Glad your back

[@devilhancore]

Mah boi, good to see you back

[@kyrakranenburg6686]

brother is that u

[@Derchlands]

Yeah I'm back

[@Derchlands]

Nevermind I see what you did there

[@brorvaldemarsimonson5920]

Holy fuck. Derch is back

[@maniek11374265]

only 11 months of wait but hell it was worth it. Welcome back Derch

[@Derchlands]

Thanks, now 11 months to the next one lol

[@derlemurensohn2119]

I like that glad you're back 👌

[@Fastness]

Sir, you have my respects for finally returning to your channel with an amazing video.

[@Derchlands]

I tried to make my one back very much a way too long video lol

[@Fastness]

Derchlands I guess your subscribers are quite used to long videos. ;)

[@b2manatees]

I miss Borderlands 1 Torgue weapons. I agree with your assessment of Torgue weapons in Borderlands 2.

[@dima-dimagers]

omg hes back

[@imasiontist653]

Feels Amazing Man your name works very well here.

[@djlykaen]

Are you using an RTX gpu with nvidia broadcast? probably why we can't hear any of the background noise you mention

[@Fastness]

Btw, the fun thing: the world record Sal Digistruct Peak run was made with the Harold without the Double Penetrating prefix. :D

[@Divinemakyr]

nice, double penetrating is still the best though

[@Fastness]

1,000 thousand subscriber challenge with no videos best for the utility purposes like swap healing or getting a second wind. The firerate and the ammo consumption are horrendous on it. The explicit prefix, for example, fixes the problem of low bullet speed, the Intense one makes your firerate great.

[@Thunderb1rdOne]

Yay derch! Love your content my man.

[@toad23567]

Hyperion, depending on your preferences, should be first or last because they make Claptraps.

[@EinhanderSn0m4n]

Derch is back! Oh happy day!

[@NaveyBlu]

YES YOURE BACK

[@melindagreer4177]

The Lyuta is such a good gun. I got it on my first play through. I think it was in a shock element, and I used it for 7 or 8 levels past it's LR. This was before I was really into the game, and even then I knew that it was OP.

[@RazorusR3X777]

Thankfully it and the Bekah are still god tier in bl3.

[@DemoniteBL]

Welcome back!

[@Derchlands]

Thanks man, I think I mentioned you at one part during this.

[@Derchlands]

I think it was tediore, anyways what's your take in where I put things?

[@DemoniteBL]

Haven't watched the entire video yet, so I might make another comment, but by going with the system you used to rank each manufacturer based on averages my opinion would probably be pretty similar. However I think because some manufacturers simply have more weapons the results overall might be less about how a manufacturer felt during a playthrough of the game (including endgame build making, like we do) and more about statistics. But at the same time that's probably the most objective way to approach it. Though personally I would've probably made a list for every character since different chars mean drastic changes to the effectiveness of certain guns. But that would've probably resulted in 6 massive videos. ^^ Also if I had to judge the manufacturers purely based on their trademark gimmicks I'd probably say Bandit and Vladof are the worst because they just go for an increasement in a stat, then Dahl and Maliwan since burst-fire and elemental-only isn't all that special (but still more interesting than more mag size/fire rate imo), then Jakobs and Torgue since they kinda go for multiple things at once (Jakobs is non-elemental and has increased crit, while Torgue is explosive-only and has a lot of splash damage) and finally Tediore and Hyperion at the top spot, because their mechanics are truely unique.