Boreas nerf: pros, cons, and suggestions for Moonton. Watcher of Realms.

[@jakesmashgaming]

Pre/post nerf comparison by RonaldoPlayz: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hom6c3Z6p86hfacsi=jZ-FAw3t5zjFpmTx

[@UlricTheWolf]

Good vid, you explain things well and offer actual solutions. So tried of hearing orher creators saying to just buff someone to counter him without realizing why thats a bad idea. Nothing kills a game faster than uncontrolled power creep.

[@jakesmashgaming]

@UlricTheWolf Thank you.

[@BattleChi777]

Setting aside the fact that we generally agree on the subject this was far and away the most thoughtful and well articulated commentary I have seen on the matter.

[@jakesmashgaming]

@BattleChi777 Thank you Sir.

[@nathanpratt6789]

Approaching WoR like a military engagement. I like it 😂😂😂

[@djshachdem5712]

Respect, this is a good vid, I want to build all my heroes not just boreas and Dolores and praedus for everything that's the end of the game already and I agree with you sir

[@jakesmashgaming]

@djshachdem5712 Thank you.

[@MalRabbit]

I think there is a world where they identify the goal and future vision for this champ as being either an aoe damage mage or another tool to make a freeze comp viable and tailor him towards that. Currently the nerfs as written de-value him in either capacity. Hitting every skill as hard as they did just makes him worse without providing any reason for continued use. I don't have him so I don't care much, seeing him less in arena will be nice, however I also don't have a legendary aoe mage and if I happen to pull him as my first I don't want to be disappointed. He needs a purpose still or just take him out of the game. We don't need another Kaede. Or maybe that's the point, to dilute the pool. I want what is good for the life of the game long term.

[@Bleachguy2023]

unfortunatly only testers can give feedback the rest of the player base cant until at global

[@Bleachguy2023]

i watched ronaldoplayz vid on boreas and i think just needs a tiny increase to his damage

[@Hegemonic20]

I didn’t go for a5 boreas and Cyrus to get a hero on par with khamet. I would’ve went for A1 max if he was released in his current form. I agree he needed a nerf but idk wtf they’re doing. They didn’t have to go and nerf every fucking thing in his kit and the way they present it is like they’re doing us a favour

[@Panda-kh8lk]

So true, just like the person on discord said, people who summoned/spend for him expects a swiss army knife not a butter knife. If he is just on par with khamet i wouldn't even summon for him because i already have khamet.

[@elon.BezosX]

And to add more insult khamet is much more useful in gr4, which is considered the end game now. Not these gr1,2 and 3, Which allegedly boreas solos but i dont see any content out there where he is the only deployed hero😂

[@Panda-kh8lk]

He just lowered the thresholds needed to clear these gear raid for those who got him which apparently not the end game at all. Its not like no one cleared these gr's before boreas came and act now that those who don't have him cant clear these gr's.

[@jakesmashgaming]

@Hegemonic20 I totally get that.

[@dutchbozo]

I love when people start a sentence with "I..". You and other players are not thinking about the game or people that don't have Boreas, you're just angry your cheat code is nerfed even though he is still the best aoe mage in the game. He's still better than Khamet who was already top tier, because Boreas keeps up with Khamet damage + he has utility on top of that.

[@davids7654]

They don't even need external people to test. They can do math on the hero they are designing before the hero even exists in any form of the game. That is the issue - that a hero of this caliber made it to any server

[@jakesmashgaming]

@davids7654 For sure! Test server utilization would just be an additional layer.

[@ba_nshee2027]

Very nice conversation starter on an adult voice. I really appreciate that you started creating content for this game. Me personally a little bored of the Boreas topic, but just in short: - I'm 100% with you! Prioritize the long term here, but also work HARD on preventing this situation in the future. - By far the worst option is leaving him as is from my perspective. And while I can totally understand the big spender negative feelings about it, you could definitely argue that even after spending a lot of money specifically for Boreas, even then you should look for the big picture. If you are that invested into the game, you surely don't want it to fail in just 1-3 years.

[@epic7hatesmesez320]

if they nerf him it will fail in 1 month other games did the same shit some survived some did not ... go check what smile gate a bigger Game Dev then moonton tried to do the same shit in (Epic seven) on a super OP unit they nerf him after a Big spending event and the backlash was a devastating shitshow in Korea and global their review went to 2 star and all boycott spending .. after that they came out in a week and offered full recall with a free pick for any other unit except limited and offered a nice compensation ... this game has no refund system or welling to compesnate players.. and no players did not summon for thousands $$$$ on an "OK" or "balanced" or "slightly better" .

[@jakesmashgaming]

@ba_nshee2027 Thank you. It's definitely important that regardless of how they handle this, that they do their best to make sure it doesn't happen again.

[@Tyron-u9c]

look i get your point as many others say he is too OP sure but hes a huge problem in pvp arena rework him thier example hes ult as in pve content it affects no1 if they released him OP on global even being over 2months on global the devs did and said nothing now this sudden nerf unfrotanly i feel boreas must be stronger than khamet ppl spend a boat load of money sadly on him all i know if hes rework isnt good by global release more ppl might get upset again or leave the game for good its a fine line to please all the playerbase only moonton got themselfs to blame for all of this DO BETTER MOONTON

[@jakesmashgaming]

@user-dc9yi9lk2s It's a tough one for sure. Hopefully Moonton doesn't put themselves in this position again.

[@the777john]

For the health of this game Boreas needed the nerf. When he can do it all but heal he just nerfed the entire game. Give him the nerf and offer some sort of kickback for those who spent on him. Whatever you do at this point you're not going to please everyone but if you show you're working to address both parties people have to recognize that, if people are unwilling to recognize that let them walk.

[@jakesmashgaming]

@the777john For sure. Moonton definitely put themselves in a "dammed if you do, dammed if your don't" position. We'll see how they handle it.

[@corvStifun]

As a Boreas user and a spender, he is too broken to be left alone, not only do I feel like I have wasted my money on every other heroes because of the leap (not just an linear one) of power, but I believe most spender would stop spending their money on a chaotic game where the next released hero would make most of your old one completely irrelevant right away 😅.

[@dominikpicard8864]

This was the most profound take on this whole issue. Close to the end of the video i was like „maybe finally i can completely agree with someone on the Boreas issue“ and you are the closest one so far but i still think there is some extra missing. If this nerf goes live like that, it is not just the the big spenders that gets mad. There are A LOT of people that have him and invested money AND their ingame ressources. That‘s why we can go forward with this nerf the way it is, but only with a compensation. Other games are doing it aswell if they screw up big time. So how should that look like? Refund all Skill Crystal and Dust and in my point of view, give everyone that got him through the original banner a free legendary summon. Like i said, other games do that aswell and it is not good enough with just a „we will do more testing in the future sorry“

[@jakesmashgaming]

@dominikpicard8864 I agree. Appropriate compensation absolutely deserves additional conversation.

[@Joro11ful]

Nerf him as on FR but give option to users to get their invested resources back. If they decide to scrath him, reward them with Soulstones. Easy. He is more rare than legendary lords so its same.

[@jakesmashgaming]

@Joro11ful Appropriate compensation definitely deserves further conversation.

[@dazark1010]

The fact that we watched 20+mins of him clearing the GR solo, is enough that he needs a nerf. You mentioned in forerunner that he is still Khamett level power. That's still huge and I would be more than happy with pulling him after nerf. It's the long term health of the game that is important.

[@Krispii230]

Well to be fair, khamet can do the same thing especially with pod turned on.

[@Turgal_]

@@Krispii230Excactly my point as if they nerf one they should nerf alll op champ in arena

[@ejdgslvdr]

best take on the issue about hero nerfs and buffs.. 👍

[@jakesmashgaming]

@ejdgslvdr Thank you.

[@brianliveoak7942]

Go forward with the NERF, and as an apology give everyone 1 copy of Boreas. Those that have Boreas get to increase his power and those that don't, now have a weakened Boreas.

[@mrlo1987]

I s*** you not this is the greatest idea I've ever heard. ❤

[@jakesmashgaming]

@brianliveoak7492 A man can dream, lol

[@Krispii230]

This is one if not the most matured take from a content creator😅. I agree he is broken strong and probably need an adjustment, but i expect a developer as big and established as moonton, should put more "creative" way of nerfing him and not take the easy route of nerf everything in his kit so just the complaining will stop. They already kinda figure out a way to do that too, look at new the gr4, boreas is nowhere to be seen because of the anti slow and anti freeze mechanics. Thats a creative way to nerf him. How about doing it for gr2, give the demon runners a passive that when the other demons they pass thru are frozen, they remove the freeze and heals them for half the amount of of dmg they deal during their collision. In arena, a passive to those flyers where when you applied freeze to them they returned the dmg to the hero x2. So many more options. Anyway good job on the vid.

[@TanderStrike]

Man those are all good suggestions.

[@j4rooo]

Jake, you didn't mentioned GvG. He is huge problem there. I can't use majority of my demons, especially when I'm atacking Strongholds because they are dead before they are even reach the tank. There are powerfull heros for GvG but nothing have such high impact for lineup as him. Increasing Arena cost is not a option.

[@jakesmashgaming]

@j4rooo Good point.

[@DanielNelson]

What do you think of Ivy's breakdown feature. Allowing players to extract their dust and shards?

[@jakesmashgaming]

@DanielNelson I don't know what appropriate compensation looks like, but yes, I agree that it definitely needs to be discussed and more than what is currently planned.

[@thehalf8]

Just don't spend anymore boys. The problem is that there will be other heroes as strong as boreas or stronger. Then people are gonna complain again and they'll nerf it again. I for one do not have Silas and feel he deserves a nerf in single target and anti air arena as well as GR3. But that's my problem. IF you get preatus they're gonna nerf him eventually as well. The only people who really wants the nerf are those who do not have him. Or those who have him but have a strong roster still. come take my account without Silas or Aracha and see if you can do GR3-20-21.

[@Coco6407]

I’m on the Forerunner server and can agree he was OP. That said, moontone took the easy route. If they devote time to buff up less desirable moms like Crach, Aspen, Orim….then when it is time to tone down a mon like Boreas, it wouldn’t sting as much.

[@NickiDecuyper-ex6yb]

Agreed, just buff less powerful champions...

[@epic7hatesmesez320]

or make him a fusion unit and put value in the trash legos Boreas = Shimmer +Kira+Orim+crush+azhor or w/e .. people will jump from joy .

[@jakesmashgaming]

@Coco6407 Definitely unfortunate that this could have been prevented.

[@SpectreInk]

I agree with the suggestion about significantly increasing his cost in Arena. That's where people are most frustrated anyway. I have Boreas A1 along with Hatsut. I can pretty much wipe AoE and Anti-Air Arena with both those guys. So, against PvP? Increase his cost. Against PvE? Leave him as he is. As for Guild War, don't touch him. I have seen players destroy my keep even with Boreas on my team. And I have destroyed others even with Boreas on their side too. It's just in Arena, he is BUSTED GOOD. The devs should focus there.

[@jakesmashgaming]

@SpectreInk I can understand that position.

[@1923825]

I have boreas and it is a well deserved nerf. What fun is there if most people leave the game and leaving only boreas owners?

[@jakesmashgaming]

@1923825 I'm inclined to agree, but I also empathize with folks whose accounts/wallets will take a hit for something that could have been prevented.

[@lonnierivera6061]

As a small spender I vote you mid nerf him or leave him alone. Just because I have him I'm still struggling in areas like guild boss and even arena. Because I don't have other amazing champs like torridor, area, twin fiend or silias. My point is there are so many great champs it isn't fair to punish everyone who has bareas to make everyone else happy. You will NEVER make everyone happy in the game. But a smaller nerf I would be ok with

[@Turgal_]

Alright let say we choose the Nerf , then they Should Nerf Hatsut and Khameth , Praetus , Valerya as they dominating every content in Game and defn Arena , as if you Nerf one Hero then All OP hero's should be nerfed

[@rheckek822]

I've always been under the impression that solo means just 1 character?

[@jakesmashgaming]

@rheckek822 I'll be more specific next time, lol

[@Bleachguy2023]

my issue is nerfing everything makes it look like they dont know what makes him op they designed him after all so they should know where it is no coming out saying this is why he is op and need nerf tho they will say adjust not to use nerf word lol

[@1923825]

Exactly. Just half all of his damage and it's done.

[@Bleachguy2023]

@@1923825 i think they nerfed his damage way to much i just think he should be better than khamut but not by an insane margin

[@Bleachguy2023]

if nerf coming to boreas does a nerf have to come to pretus arbiter lord i heard he is op and same about hattsut to arena op can solo aoe and air

[@Unterhose69]

I could life with a + 2 cost nerf

[@Daniel57028]

They should nerf him only in the arena...because not many of us have Khamet or other strong dps and we were lucky enough to get Boreas

[@mrlo1987]

Before I got bareus arena was pretty much a no-go for me because I would just see mages and be like well I guess they're going to win. At least now I have a chance I don't win all the time even with him.

[@Daniel57028]

@@mrlo1987 I understand you but we must admit that the arena has broken since Boreas and Valirya are here. I don't have another powerful dps or Valirya and I agree that he has helped us too much... I'm just saying that in my opinion he should have a balance only in the arena, not in all the content

[@mrlo1987]

@@Daniel57028 Yes I totally agree they need to fix arena they could totally make him 30 cost that would solve everything. I don't have to use them in arena they could just ban him for all I care but I really like him for progressing and void and other stuff because I don't have a lot of other crazy heroes so he does fill in the gap.

[@ba_nshee2027]

He would be still the single best hero for GR1 (with the currently proposed nerfs). "Lucky enough" shouldn't mean a straight up cheat code in PvE either imo.

[@carlospalomino9764]

Boreas is the most unbalanced character i have seen in gacha games, if you have him you can solo pretty much all content

[@jakesmashgaming]

@carlospalomino9764 I'm inclined to agree.

[@bshi2k58]

I like him the way he is to be honest

[@jakesmashgaming]

@bshi2k58 I like him too, lol