Boring For Spindles and Running Tools

This video shows finishing the coolant powered 90 degree tools and test running them on a test part.

[@MisterPornthep]

You are a gem for the machining world. Thank you for making these videos!

[@calholli]

Yeah.. This is a custom set up if I've ever seen one. lol

[@mp6756]

I really appreciate the attention to the smallest deviation from zero by rotating the carbide blank while sweeping the indicator in the lathe spindle. And as if this the Mazak doesn't have enough capabilities. Let's chuck a boring head in the lathe spindle, to bore a capto tool holder blank to run a high pressure coolant powerd spindle cartridge. I'm guessing this is probably not in the mazak sales brochure. However it all makes perfect sense. Extremely well done!! Thanks for taking us along. I know these videos take a lot of time and effort. Thank you

[@wildin13]

At the end of the day, this machine is just another tool and if you understand how it functions then a clever person can make it do all sorts. Some of these ideas aren't new like putting the cutting tool in the lathe spindle. Alot of hobbyists do this to make keyways but its still bloody interesting!

[@SuperAWaC]

you could do this with any mill/turn machine. it's fairly common practice to bore out tool holders and sleeves on c axis lathes using a similar technique as well.

[@shadowdsfire]

@@wildin13 Why would someone do this for a keyway? I'm intrigued since I've been doing it the "normal" way for a while now and don't see how it would change anything for me.

[@wildin13]

@@shadowdsfire well whats the normal way?

[@shadowdsfire]

@@wildin13 Put the broaching tool in the milling spindle, clamp it, and then broach away..

[@vladimiryatchenya1348]

Titans of CNC: Ahh, we gonna make crazy parts! Peter: Hold my beer… It’s just amazing! I’ve learned a lot from your videos

[@EdgePrecision]

Boom!

[@travistucker7317]

Next week on edge precision: were taking this custom 8xd 3/64 endmill from your favorite brand and were gonna run it at 1200 sfm and 1000ipm in this 4140 at full depth! Bang!

[@lvxleather]

I don't often come across machinists that impress me with their skill set, but Peter, you are a master. That Capto holder you have chucked up is pretty awesome, I'm going to look into those.

[@johnlawler1626]

Probably the best thing I've seen in years, brilliant idea, thanks for sharing 👍

[@93Martin]

It's almost like you're having fun with this new toy, and you sound pleasantly surprised at how well it's working too. I'm pretty impressed with the engineering behind the product, having watched how it all goes together. Looks like you've got a winner

[@tymcclengineering8672]

Once again great insight into the machining world with; just as ever, attention to detail. Even the gnarliest of old machinists can learn so much from your videos. Thanks, Peter, just brilliant.

[@aarondcmedia9585]

Inspirational machining content. Outstanding work, thanks for sharing, the work you put into the videos is amazing.

[@sr20starlet]

Nice work Peter as always. Those serrated "pullstuds" for the Capto were originally used in the Captos predecessor, Varilock. Varilock had no taper contact, just a cylindrical section and face contact with a drive key. We still have a lot of Varilock stuff that we use on our large mills (BT50), its still pretty rigid but nowhere near as good as Capto. We also have some capto C5 and C8 stuff.

[@samheasmanwhite]

I'm sure it worked fine but having a single drive key or any other kind of asymmetric torque transmission just doesn't sit right with me.

[@robertwhitehead5946]

I love your attention to detail.

[@James-fs4rn]

👍 I'm blown away with the mad skills as always! Thanks for sharing!

[@starlyabadillo6529]

Peter you are the man with the plan. Thanks for the videos.

[@amitanshupattanayak837]

What an incredible planning for machining, thanks for showing such ideas

[@endemiller5463]

Thank you Peter. Another great video. I really enjoyed this series. God Bless.

[@billlee5307]

Many thanks for letting us watch this great example of problem solving!

[@wolfgangbrandl4694]

Amazing way to machine small details. Thank you to share it. Your videos absolutely great!!!

[@bryanwillman7410]

Awesome demonstration of using the little coolant driven turbines, learned a lot.

[@spikeypineapple552]

Thanks peter, these videos make me a better machinist in every way.

[@travistucker7317]

Super cool. You are my favorite integrex guy. Always doing cool stuff

[@ivanwaupoose7757]

Thanks Peter! I like your videos, always seem to learn something new. 👍🏽

[@robertwhitehead5946]

Amazing attention to detail. I could watch your teaching video's all day long. Thank you.

[@samheasmanwhite]

Very nice toolmaking! I was questioning the single retention screw but seeing the tolerances you bring the fit to I can't imagine that being a problem. If someone ever needs to drill angled holes on a 3-axis machine I could imagine making a variable angle head using those things, could be handy for the odd job for some folks.

[@johnboforsyth5970]

This is quite the operation. I totally guessed you were going to do this exact unconventional method! Love the content. Respect from Canada.

[@Ujeb08]

Sooo cool Peter! I always enjoy your videos- best on the internet. But this one was really great in so many ways. To make your own 90 degree live tools - just because you can is awesome. Thanks for sharing!

[@reinierwelgemoed8171]

These little cutters is amazing.

[@Horus9339]

What can you say other than superb work and explanation once again. Thank you kindly for sharing your work.

[@ClockwerkIndustries]

Dude this was such an awesome miniseries! thanks for sharing!

[@dannywilsher4165]

As always, total enjoyment!!! Thanks Peter!

[@maususinagem]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge, your job is amazing, you are my inspiration to create videos in my shop and share a little bit too!! Congrats from Brazil!

[@rodfeher]

I always learn a lot on your videos, thank you.

[@artmckay6704]

Peter, thank you so much for sharing in such detail! Very informative! :)

[@Kyran31]

I've used one of these heads mounted in a spindle that maxed out at 5k and we needed to run a 0.25mm ball endmill, and we had one that was air powered. I'm almost certain its from the same manufacturer. Did a good job for us. your set up looks so good. thanks for sharing.

[@smusselman1]

Fantastic job Peter! I've truly enjoyed this series on the 90 degree coolant driven tools. We are just starting to use Capto tooling in my CNC Machinist Tech program here in Alberta, Canada. Thanks for creating great content and taking the time to explain your process from start to finish. The tools you have made are an asset to your business, increasing your capability. The variety of jobs you've been able to pull off on your Mazak is phenomenal! Thanks again for doing what you do best. Cheers!

[@number40Fan]

Wow, that worked out great. Looks like smooth sailing from here.

[@jesscneal]

Amazing work Peter. Super interesting 👍👍

[@markwilson9196]

Awesome Machinist skills you have.

[@levitated-pit]

this is a better video than any movie ive seen for the last two years!

[@levitated-pit]

and that forefinger injury looks like a real pain.

[@cnc-ua]

That's crazy content. I mean crazy awesome. Thank you for sharing this, Peter

[@mattmanyam]

Thanks for the awesome content, Peter! Hope your shoulder is back to normal!

[@EdgePrecision]

Thanks. Unfortunately my shoulder will never be back to what it was.

[@ksanalyticalsystems2438]

Absolutely amazing! Well done!

[@nothing2loud]

Another awesome video Peter

[@TrPrecisionMachining]

very good job peter..thanks for your time

[@mikebrowne5152]

Really nice work, as always!

[@captcarlos]

Outstanding solution, superbly executed as we would expect from you Peter! Those ?tool holders? Will be very useful other times down the track but, I assume, on this job will mean all tools will be racked, offset calebrated and ready for the program to call. No manual tool changes. Bliss, efficient, smart. Thank you for taking us through that exersize.

[@kisspeteristvan]

They turned out perfect . Now you just have to put a label on the coolant button to not turn it off . I think this is gonna be the biggest challenge with this type of tool . Very nice boring with the master spindle .

[@foxhoundnomah]

Some amazing stuff, the tolerances on that part must be super tight, good work👍

[@Awfultyming]

Always awesome to see decades of experience boiled down to a 'its not that complicated' point of view. Recently heard a story on the Within Tolerance podcast where someone used a similar concept to use TSC and 15,000 rpm spindle to get 80,000 rpm on some tiny about .05" endmills to slot an exotic board about 4 times diameter.

[@spikeypineapple552]

This probably runs abotu 70k rpm

[@lukegkohler]

Awesome work!

[@anonimov9107]

God bless you for your work

[@rupert5390]

You must be use to the compliments, however your channel and content always seems to be way out in front of everything thing else, in a different zone to other creators - those tools are simply brilliant. The cost implications of buying them ready made worked in our favour, we saw you making them - thanks for the incredible effort you put into these offerings.

[@NickRno77]

Brilliant, you’re a genius Pete 👍

[@pedrorubio4841]

This video is priceless thx Piter

[@esmth]

Great video. Thanks Peter.

[@crozwayne]

Excellent work!

[@pitu72ger]

Beautiful tools.

[@customsheetmetalofde9496]

Amazing job thanks 🙏 for sharing your knowledge

[@antonycarrison4399]

Another awesome video,Thanks.

[@WillemvanLonden]

Fascinating as always.

[@Steve_Just_Steve]

Awesome! You the Man Peter!

[@paulmace7910]

Good job! Thanks for sharing.

[@slavepetrich]

Good job Peter!

[@adrianprzybyek5758]

You can 3D print cover (with sheet metal in front) witch redirect coolant to the side. Great video and idea.

[@JeushHD]

Great showcase of how these types of machines can do absolute anything you dream of, just by using you imagination. Really amazing work Peter! Any plans of going through the CAM programming? I guess this is kind of a niche example of what the CAM software is able to do? I would guess that it takes a little bit of “cheating" to get it to work?

[@kikko2775]

Great job... Incredible..

[@michaelevans1499]

Great work 👍👌🙂

[@richardbradley961]

thank you for showing . regards richard.

[@thelamb288]

Thanks for sharing. Cheers.

[@JesusvonNazaret]

interesting tool, thanks for sharing

[@Gkuljian]

Loved it!

[@theessexhunter1305]

old school Peter, the model makers do a similar set up as often their lathes cant hold a big part so they clamp the work to the saddle and machine the part. but very clever as ever.

[@JLK89]

It's a little problematic that the tool offset is going to change slightly every time you change one of those tuny tools, but still much better than the alternative. Awsome video!

[@bcbloc02]

Looks like they work pretty good! I looked into some capto stuff to use for deep boring on my Hbm but have not found much of it available in the secondary market and it’s a lot of coin new just to give it a try.

[@EdgePrecision]

Yes that boring job you just did on that engine block would have been a lot easer with a Sandvik silent bar.

[@EdgePrecision]

@@importanttingwei7747 Yes I have tried both. The Sandvik work better.

[@bcbloc02]

@@EdgePrecision I will keep my eye out for adapters and bars. Wasn’t the capto stuff Valenite before seco bought them?

[@EdgePrecision]

@@bcbloc02 No Capto has always been Sandvik. In fact until their patients ran out. No one could even produce it.

[@C2DSolutions]

I use a D'Andrea modular system for our portable machines. It has a side screw to remove the various adapters. Italian made. Expensive but better for manual machining.

[@andrewlcs542]

That hard-ish 'O' ring is used to "compress" the 2 bearings so there is literally no slack and the endmill stays true to center even while machining.

[@calholli]

16:40 .. I like how you start with your distance 'too close-- and then you back off until it fits. I can see how that's much safer than slowly closing in until it bites; and how you could make a mistake doing it that way. That's one of those low key tricks that come with experience that you skipped over without even thinking about it-- but it's actually a very smart idea that should be mandatory.

[@EdgePrecision]

I’m not sure I understand your question. Are you referring to setting the diameter of the boring head, for the first cut?

[@calholli]

@@EdgePrecision No.. Just how you set your zero with gauge pin.

[@EdgePrecision]

I use a 1/2” dowel pin instead of shim or paper. All I do is jog the tool to where the pin won’t pass thru. Than jog away at the finest rate until the pin just passes thru. Without any trouble you can get it within a .0001” or one click of the jog wheel. I prefer the round pin because you can feel exactly where you are going without risking jogging solid into a piece of shim stock and breaking the tool.

[@calholli]

@@EdgePrecision Yeah, tha'ts exactly what I was saying--- how you jog AWAY/ rather than towards it. That way you can never crash into it. It's a nice little technique-- when I seen you do it, it set the light bulbs off in my head. lol

[@CaskStrength777]

@@EdgePrecision This is exactly the way I set up all my tools manually. It's much more repeatable and safer too. Excellent little critical detail

[@user-nj4tl6ej3c]

118/2000 This can be done through the angle head, the cutter can be sold, can be purchased off the shelf, is relatively expensive, but I admire your hands-on ability, and thank you for the experience of the video

[@EdgePrecision]

You need to watch the previous videos in this playlist (Aluminum Landing gear strut). It will then be clearer why I'm doing it this way. As far as the automatic back spot facing tool (If that's what you are referring to by "This can be done through the angle head") The diameters I need aren't standard. I did price them and they are expensive. Also there is a long lead time to get the none standard diameters.

[@ronaldfairhurst2914]

neat tool

[@mattsnock]

Awesome!

[@jasonhill2180]

That was a great series, thanks for doing that! Maybe I missed it but I wonder what the runout is on those cartridges?

[@EdgePrecision]

I did show that. But I did check it. The shank of the tool runs in the bearings. So the runout is practically nothing. I measured no more than .0001”. Also the tool is in the spindle is very stiff. (If I put it that way). It takes quite a bit of pressure to deflect it.

[@emilr5815]

Hey Peter. Happy belated New Year. Another excellent series leading up to the boss machining, as well as the previous videos. I don't always comment but really enjoy your videos. Still impressed with the air knife keeping the coolant in check too, let's us see enough of the action, better than most. Glad your test was successful. Did you end up making these to get them in hand sooner or was it less expensive or both? just curious. Really appreciate the way you used the machine to get what you needed, very outside the box. keep them coming while it's worth your while and I'll keep looking forward to them Thanx, Be Well.

[@EdgePrecision]

I made them because I could set up all the tools and not have to make manual changes single angle head. I also like the simplicity of this system. Not to mention it cost less money to do it this way.

[@michaelpiotrowicz6100]

So cool

[@dav1dsm1th]

It's difficult to understand how the length of the tool stays consistent. Does the rear bearing run against the back of the recess you've machine - so if the tool pressure exceeds what the bearings and impeller can resist - the back wall of the recess will stop the tool from receding away from the part being machined? Very interesting series - hopefully we'll get to see the parts being machined soon. edit: Oh, ignore me. The capsule is not open at the back. I get it now.

[@ikocheratcr]

I was wondering too, your edit is the clue, tnx.

[@mackasack]

Genius!

[@CorndogBrownie]

Im assuming these spindle cases aren't hardened? Either way, fantastic videos as always Peter, it definitely makes my day more exciting when i see you posted a video. Cant wait to see these coolant fed heads working.

[@EdgePrecision]

No they are hard. I tried to file on one and they are to hard to file. But a carbide endmill will cut it.

[@ferencungvari3089]

Peter, repair that under Y column wiper ASAP! Just kidding, also wanted to point out that i spotted it is dismantled.. sort of at least :) Be safe! Love!

[@PhilippeTardy]

Magnifique.

[@brianbob7514]

That works amazing ! Are you excited to have these in your pocket for future projects? They seem like a good replacement for broaches in big bores.

[@mep1624]

Fascinating

[@raybrown5890]

amazing!!!

[@therealspixycat]

Can you explain in one of you videos how you make balance cuts so how do you work in terms of cutting sizes towards your final dimension? And very interesting to see you building these tools. How much are these small impeller mechanisms?

[@vettepicking]

I bet you saved 30k in making those angle heads instead of buying 3......your a beast.

[@summerforever6736]

He is a smart guy!

[@oguzhanerciyes6200]

I lıke watch your vıdeos . I learn so many you.

[@malachilandis9542]

Pretty amazing capability to add to the machine for not very much money (I would think) compared to an additional spindle. Do you see any other applications for these 90 degree tools? I'd imagine some materials out there would need the super high RPMs, which it seems like you now have. Tangent question, but how long do you usually get to work continuously on one job before getting pulled away for other things? I like your approach of focusing in on the details and doing an excellent job, but I wonder how often you have to put the job down and tend to another job/machine. Thanks again for the videos.

[@EdgePrecision]

What you see in many of my videos doesn’t really show the reality of the situation. Every day I’m running my horizontal mill on a production job I do. People are often coming asking questions. I’m also looking at other jobs and often grinding special tools on my grinder. Fortunately on some jobs on the Mazak Integrex I have time to do these types of setups and make the videos.

[@brianmccusker3852]

Peter, excellent and amazing to watch even though I've never had any experience with any of your machines. But, that Mazak has a lot of stop/go, on/off, in/out, xyy, foward/backward that some parts are taking more abuse than others and will consequently need maintenance and or replacing. How often do you need to address these issues. Thanks again for the content. Cheers

[@EdgePrecision]

Up till now I have not had many maintenance issues with this machine. A few I have even done KZbin videos on a few of them. I do most of the work on this machine. What I can’t do there is a guy here in Houston that is very good with this machine.

[@rdc02271]

Thank you for another great video. Newbie question: the position of the holder coolant hole is not important to maximize the efficiency of the WTO coolant spindle? Thank you, Jorge

[@EdgePrecision]

I don’t really know. In this case I didn’t really have any other options. The shape of the 90 degree head it pretty had to be that way. I do have a recess behind the spindle to allow coolant to flow up all the flats to the coolant holes in it. That’s about the best I could do.

[@Chriss120]

very nice work. for those focus problems with that gopro, maybe your phone would work better as long as there is no coolant since you can set a manual focus point.

[@7829Bob]

very cool

[@rowycoracing]

Nice!

[@yasnac7576]

Andy, concerning the non assignable offset on your diameter. You might be able to assign a macro activated subroutine to compensate with an offset. Does mazak have assignable macros? Consider macro B , 'while do' or 'if than' loop. They are is used in Fanuc Controls. Just a suggestion 🙂 Great job! Had me at every move! Ingenious!!!

[@EdgePrecision]

After I ran this test part and made the video. Thought of this idea. On the G41 line put this code. G41 D#100 and the XY move. Then set the Diameter in the beginning of the tools code by putting a line #100= (what ever diameter I need); I think that may work. I will try it and see.

[@mikhaildavydenko6841]

@@EdgePrecision I don’t know how Mazak works with Macro B, but the whole standard is #100’ish variables is used by machine (tool and pallet numbers, tool length setter or tool breakage detection system, etc.). That’s how my Mori Seiki machines works, at least. Peter, please be careful using that feature since variables is volatile. Use range starting from #500 and so… P.S. Best content, as usual. Thanks

[@yasnac7576]

@@EdgePrecision yeah we used to do that all the time at Synthes USA. We made spine implants for humans and they had a family of parts that were different sizes for different size bodies. So we would write code and alter with macro calls it to accommodate the larger or smaller sizes. I'll tell you one thing it turned into spaghetti code. The object was is all the operator had to do was enter a part number for that specific size part and follow the setup sheet. Really fun watching that video hope everything turns out maybe you'll win the contract?

[@EdgePrecision]

@@mikhaildavydenko6841 All Mazaks really have a Mitsubishi Meldas control. Like my horizontal mill has. They just put the Mazatrol on top of it. The first set of variables are user variables. I use them all the time on my horizontal mill for things like this. Some of them from about 138 on are use by the Renishaw probe (if you have one) also some of the ones in the 500 area for the stylus calibration of the probe. Then there are system variables that can be used by the program to access machine information. Like offsets machine location and tool information. This is how for instance the probing macros work to set things.

[@mikhaildavydenko6841]

@@EdgePrecision thanks for the reply! That’s exactly how it works. From my experience (about 7 years of macro programming), I’m using #100-#199 variables for my Renishaw custom routines, for calculating real-time cycle values, and to save macro program input if I want to use macro as a modal (not G66 call, just an “M” letter in my macro programs). #500’ish stuff for NC programs, when I need to mill with axial stepover, or rotate a table multiple times at a given angle, etc… Local variables (#1 to #33) is used only to obtain parameters for a macro. System variables (starting from #1000) is the thing where all the offsets, clocks, tool data, feedrate hold and other stuff). P.S. NIH syndrome is not about me, but my old Mori machines (2002-2006) just have no any helpful cycle and not enough memory available to create every program in MAPPS. That’s why I started implement own features for sure. P.P.S. Thanks God, in previous year I got DMG Mori NH4000 DCG (2015 y.) and it’s more friendly machine which have a bunch of cycles on board already… 🙂

[@JW-bd7em]

Thanks for another great video, currently my fav youtube channel :) Was curious why you didn’t clock the bore at the start to pick up the correct boring head location? (The bit where you used the carbide blank). Were you more interested in getting the absolute bore position relative to the spindle face than aligning with the existing hole?

[@EdgePrecision]

You answered your own question. I could have bored this hole in the previous operation (the previous video). But in order to have absolute alignment to the spindle this tool would be mounted in. I bored it in this way. Not aligning to the existing hole but setting the actual position in the tool offset. Then boring it to that location. Also making sure it is on the exact centerline if that spindle. That way when I index it 180 degrees it will still be on centerline.

[@JW-bd7em]

@@EdgePrecision thanks for confirming

[@maikeydii]

A bit more of this kind of work and Peter will make a high speed auxiliary spindle that can be mounted to the main turning spindle :D Jokes aside, this is just damn impressive :)