Bosch opens Dresden chip plant as Europe aims for independence from Asia | DW News

[@mrshaun8812]

Finally, Europe is waking up and realize that depending on Asia to build their foundry supply is not in their best interest.

[@vladimirseven777]

They probably already thinking how to move it somewhere. What I heard from Intel they want Fab built on europeans money that will belong to Intel. They already made one in Ireland and something tells me it was selected due to low taxes.

[@PhoenlxA]

yeah, it's time. Even some Asian countries are on move becoming independent from the major producer in Taiwan.

[@humorss]

its dangerous to have more than half of the global chips made in taiwan anyway.

[@anshulbhardwaj4038]

@@humorss this independence will mean losing Monopoly on money for Europe as well how will you stop countries like Iran or India or Australia to develope their own chip industry (remember India has 7% of world rare Earth metals)

[@anshulbhardwaj4038]

@@humorss if Iran comes up with a chip (which they can -ardino,) then they have alternative of Microsoft and Intel since ubantu is an open source plateform.

[@marcbjorg4823]

We need 5 more like this in Europe.

[@pc-broke8348]

More like 50

[@givemeabreak8784]

Well said !

[@robertfennis6088]

Right, we already got the technology from ASML

[@Tential1]

That's not how this works, if you had five more of these built by globalfoundries and you can be assured you'll have to do a bailout later. Globalfoundries is a trash chipmaker. I'm sure though that they will work this situation to get as much subsidies as possible though just like we are doing in America

[@jeffperteet2327]

We need a few in the U.S.

[@ThiagoSilveira1]

That's actually good news.

[@blardymunggas6884]

Lets hope the pricing can be competitive too.

[@jmatt98]

No its not. There will be an oversupply next year. Prices will collapse

[@ThiagoSilveira1]

@@jmatt98 I think that's what he means by competitive.

[@blardymunggas6884]

@@ThiagoSilveira1 yep. Nothing will come cheap from the west. Be prepared to get poorer

[@unoriginell6624]

@@blardymunggas6884 Yeah the west should start to pay their workers slave wages so we can sell as cheap as possible. Maybe even cut down on safety measures too, great plan big boy.

[@cessealbeach]

The Pandemic has taught us a Great Lesson, Keep supply chain at home

[@InfoSopher]

Many of the chip supply chain issues in the auto industry stemmed from bad planning on the side of the auto manufacturers and the U.S.-China trade war. First, the pandemic appeared to reduce demand for vehicles. So car manufacturers reduced their chip orders, believing that to be a good idea as it might lead to saving a few dollars. Then the U.S. China trade war led many Chinese companies to stock up on chips, in the process buying up capacity of chip manufacturers. Lastly, the auto industry realised their mistake, seemed surprised that they couldn't just access the capacity of chip manufacturers (= treat them as badly as they treat many of their suppliers), and started shouting at politicians. There were other supply chain issues that stemmed from the fact that certain goods were in higher demand during the pandemic, and that production capacity as well as raw material production first needed to be built up and shift in order to address those demands. Even the whole too-few-masks situation at the start of the pandemic was mostly a political problem, rather than an issue of where the masks were being produced. Basically, there are a number of ways in which one can be horrible at producing masks and similar emergency equipment. 1. Produce it where it is expensive to produce. 2. Even though it may have a long shelf life, don't have a large stockpile. Instead, reduce your stockpile. 3. Rather than having some factories in some country where the production is efficient producing masks and other emergency goods with a long shelf life continuously over many years in order to keep global stockpiles stocked up and always ready, instead create huge capacities of overproduction in an emergency that can not sustain themselves in the long run. 4. Don't have an international stockpile sharing agreement in place. 5. Don't be ready to ramp up production when you do need to ramp up. (But then overdo it, see 3.) 6. Don't have Q&A standards. 7. Don't have direct connections between state bureucracy and manufacturers (like maybe a simple database of manufacturers with phone numbers or mail adresses would help), but rather let corrupt politicians create connections between state and manufacturers. Europe, or rather its politicans, have done all of this. So what I'm trying to say is that many of the "we need to produce in Europe" arguments really are extremely flawed...

[@90iatros]

Just wait until greed takes over again.

[@tristanmoller9498]

That’s too simple. Keep complicated parts of the supply chain at home. If demand for simple parts rises, companies that produce similar products can pivot a little to meet the demand. Computer chip production is incredibly complicated, that’s why it’s difficult for other companies to profit off of the heightened demand and the shortage remains there so long. This plant from Bosch cost 1 Billion dollars just as an example. That’s why there is no shortage for screws for example. The machines to produce them can be relatively cheap, so if there’s a shortage, many companies might jump on the opportunity and produce screws themselves.

[@fl00fydragon]

More accurately: NEVER centralize the production of essential components.

[@peter4526]

@@InfoSopher corrupt politicians need somebody to corrupt them, which are the corrupting corporations. always good to see neolib ideology reign supreme! the big issue here is that car companies are only small players in the semicon market and purchase mostly low-margin components, so nobody gives a damn when they want something. and this is where the car CEOs then use their corrupting little fingers to call their buddies in the policy sector to do their business. As managers are always bad at managing.

[@pac1fic055]

Of strategic importance for the EU.

[@Alex-bl6oi]

And it's allies

[@Neeverseen]

@@Alex-bl6oi Yeah, the NSA will have a field day stealing all this technology.

[@99ron30]

I hope the UK still gets access.

[@alexandersteipe2003]

@@99ron30 Well you have votet for brexit so you are OUT. What do you expect - dreamer ?

[@CommunistMonster]

@@alexandersteipe2003 they might have voted against brexit, remember that almost half the uk population voted to stay in

[@thomasolsen340]

No doubt, a quality product from a quality firm. “ Reduce reliance”. , sounds like a plan.

[@philipcooper8297]

Are customers ready to pay extra for all that?

[@zabifaqiri4192]

Chips= 100$ Chips made in EU= 2300$

[@thomasolsen340]

I do not dispute the cost, I saw this as a national issue . One of national security , for the whole European family of nations cannot be held hostage by a nation that has no trouble in harvesting human organs for those interested in the medical tourism. India might also have a capacity to pump out chips given the right materials. Rare earths. Abundant on the right type of asteroid or in China, soon it maybe less hassle to go for the asteroid.

[@franciscoalmeida9019]

Now, can Germany fight their reliance on the western front of the problem?

[@donhuang9855]

@@thomasolsen340 Excuse me, Chips are controlled by the US government as to who these chips manufacturers can sell to; in terms of dollar values, China imports more semi-conductor chips than oil from chip manufacturers from the USA, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea. Because of the US banned on sales of chips to China global productions have been reduced drastically, no thanks to the US government. China, in fact, is doing exactly what Bosch is doing now - building their own semiconductor plants in order to be self sufficient.

[@aNDY-y7u4m]

Who would have thought that being completely dependent on foreign countries for a crucial piece of equipment is not ideal?

[@disposabull]

The US can't make things like the IPhone or F-35 without the company TSMC in Taiwan. There is only one place on earth where you can make advanced chips because TSMC is so much more advanced than everyone else. Which will be a problem for the West if China decides to reunite Taiwan by force, getting hold of TSMC is far more damaging to the world order than a tiny little island with a few million people on it.

[@ashupatil9098]

@@disposabull exactly....while Intel Germany will be manufacturing 7nm chips, TSMC & Intel USA are already manufacturing 1nm chips.....they r at least a decade ahead

[@ΓιάννηςΠαπαδόπουλος-ι4χ]

Wow. Congratulatios to Bosch and Germany . This is so good for whole Europe.

[@Ray-ld5bd]

This is not good for "whole Europe", it is good for Germany and only Germany. Germany has always used EU for its own profits. This is a German company in Germany, that will serve Germany to forward its domination over the other European countries. Just, German domination might not be as bad as Chinese domination, at least for now..

[@TheMammucaro]

@@Ray-ld5bd This is good for Europe

[@juliane__]

@@Ray-ld5bd Clearly Germany has to learn to guide Europe. Even the polish Government says that, which surprised me a bit. But I think it is really not that simple balancing Europe and German interests.

[@ghostsword6554]

Good news, this year has shown us how vulnerable our supply chains are

[@matthewthiesen6098]

Exactly

[@PHlophe]

Du Hirsch, why would we havve 90% of our supply chain in China in the first place.

[@mimovil8730]

@@PHlophe Because it was cheaper, and because the Chinese delivered. The thing with China though is that their land is full of rare earth materials, many of which are necessary to produce chips. They also have the facilities to process them.

[@YayoLife]

@Evey Cinnamono Z efficient even with handling Covid - but at a cost. Without wanting getting into politics, it's the type of government they have. What gives? We know. Same with west, something also gives. Nothing is perfect, after all.

[@dasteven1857]

US has sanctioned China's semiconductor industry, which is the reason for the worldwide shortage. South Korea and Taiwan are too small to have enough capacity

[@j1212a]

I am ready to pay more for the Made in EU.

[@scottm2553]

Same

[@davidjames1068]

How would you know where the chips in the car/phone you buy are manufactured?

[@scottm2553]

@@davidjames1068 The company you buy them from.

[@davidjames1068]

@@scottm2553 Any car/phone/car etc includes component sourced worldwide. Do you really think a (example) BMW only include components EXCLUSIVELY manufactured in Europe . . .

[@scottm2553]

@@davidjames1068 I think the idea is to reduce critical supply chain issues. All china would have to do is say no more chips and they would cause huge international problems. There are certain things that are of a higher priority than others and chips are right at the top. Its much easier to set up a factory or repurpose a factory for the smaller parts than it is to create a chip fab. A lot of things in the world carry a lot of inertia and in this case you have two choices: start becoming more dependent on China or become less dependent. The latter is the smart move.

[@rommels5692]

I worked for Intel, Infineon and Bosch as an engineer. this news gave me a smile.

[@tristanmoller9498]

How does the work experience compare? Any one of the companies ever stand out over the other two? A favorite? Was any employer better than the other two?

[@tristanmoller9498]

@Shispirina I do. Will be studying engineering starting the coming semester. Have to do many internships and one in a month before studies even start. It's not uncommon to be hired by a company, where you did an internship. Besides choosing for an internship, I would also simply love to learn about the industry, that I might very likely work in.

[@MuhammadGhufran5]

@@tristanmoller9498 all three of them are good :) what matters the most is you and your skillset :) learn, develop your skillset and you will get hired by all three of them ;)

[@OfoeNelson]

This is huge. Congrats to the Germans as always. Always practical, logical and efficient.

[@dhank2242]

I wouldn't say "as always."

[@LeChuckize]

BER Airport 😅

[@ArpanMukhopadhyay93]

@@LeChuckize almost always. Right?

[@purplefabian]

@@LeChuckize BER is the result of letting leftist socialist incompetent politicians plan a project

[@ArpanMukhopadhyay93]

@@piotrtrebisz6602 😂😂😂😂😂😂. We have one big guy building his legacy here in India.

[@GonzoTehGreat]

The DW news presenter (Monika Jones) did a great job questioning the Intel MD (Christin Eisenschmid), by keeping her answers relevant and moving the interview along. Especially as the MD had a tendency to resort to "marketing speak" instead of replying concisely and factually. An example of this was how she directly asked for confirmation if Intel was hoping for government subsides.

[@klaus-udokloppstedt6257]

yeah, I also noticed that she did not andwer the question directly and preceeded it with lots of general PR blah-blah.

[@TheSimArchitect]

I wonder why subsidize them instead of a native European company instead, so we don't send royalties and other profits to the United States... 🤔

[@GonzoTehGreat]

@@TheSimArchitect I don't think there are any European equivalents/competitors to Intel and AMD who can mass produce CPUs, so if governments want to rapidly increase production to meet the current demand then they don't have a choice.

[@TheSimArchitect]

@@GonzoTehGreat Can't do it quickly, but it must be done. We must be technologically independent as well, imagine if there's a disagreement, we'd be stuck for a considerable amount of time, plus they're kind of holding us hostage requiring us to invest on their factories, so they can profit and take their money away. That's exactly what the first world does to (non) developing countries and it's not good. What's the point of having nuclear bombs if you can't manufacture your own computers and infrastructure from scratch. Then you're forced into terrible deals because you lack the technology. Better to stay dependent on Asia for a bit longer and develop our own stuff from scratch. Considering the high quality we usually find in European products, we might even come with something better than what they have, then they'd be buying our products instead.

[@GonzoTehGreat]

@@TheSimArchitect I wasn't implying Europe shouldn't develop their own CPU industry, but this will take a decade. Meanwhile, meeting demand by increasing production during the current microchip shortage remains a priority. Europe (and to a lesser extent the USA) has had decades to develop its own semiconductor industry, but chose not to. However, the current shortage has revealed an over dependence on a relatively small number of fabrication centres located in Taiwan, which are now acting as a supply bottle-neck, so global production will probably diversify to avoid this happening again in the future. Intel aren't holding governments hostage. Indeed, they're also subject to the same semiconductor shortages. They're just lobbying for more government funding, which is typical of corporations. They do the same thing in the USA. Regardless, governments can choose how to fund private industry. The problem in the past has been cronyism and corruption, which led to favoritism, (a recent example being the PPE contracts scandal in the UK), but also a lack of experience negotiating contracts, which led to governments receiving unfair terms or treatment. (A recent example being AstraZeneca's failure to deliver Covid-19 vaccine doses).

[@Ben23315]

Just to get some informations right: Most modern chips came from Taiwan and Korea. But - both countries can't produce a single chip without europe (because the machines and spare parts are german/dutch). So there is no general problem. However, if something happens to this countries, the global tech industry is screwed. In this regard, some diversification is good

[@dasteven1857]

US has sanctioned China's semiconductor industry, which is the reason for the worldwide shortage. South Korea and Taiwan are too small to have enough capacity

[@Ben23315]

@@dasteven1857 From the production point of view, thats not true. Only EUV (most advanced machines) are banned from China - and this are limited by supply anyway. In general, China failed miserably to develop an advanced semiconductor industry in recent years. Main reasons are wrong strategy, corruption, unchecked subsidies, lack of expertise. But not US sanctions. This is not a technology which can be solved by brute force.

[@Ben23315]

@@RubiaStorm China is trying this for more than a decade now - with very little success. After working in this industry for years, I don't think they can achieve technological leadership anytime soon. They can't get cutting edge equipment. And to copy ASML machines, you need to have to have highly specialized, deep knowledge in a large number of scientific fields. You need to have experienced experts on all levels. Even if they have thousands of outstanding specialists and unlimited funds, they will need decades of R&D to understand the processes & system properties. So yeah, to cut of the CCP from high-end chips was a very smart thing to do. It will hurt a lot.

[@xuhuadaniel3810]

@@Ben23315 China is happy to see a strong EU rather than the US controlling the world.

[@boycottnok1466]

That is a misunderstanding, all European machines are easily replaceable by Japan and US machines, especially for legacy processes so Europe is useless.

[@DarthMaul41]

Europe should be able to make their chips in-house

[@xythiera7255]

Nop

[@yogadarmawan3051]

Yeah the war tech actually look like just USA vs EAST ASIA

[@DarthMaul41]

@@xythiera7255 Yep

[@rob-123]

But they need to spend way more than a billion. The good news with covid is the government has just printed a massive amount of inflation.

[@alexanderbouwens2772]

@@yogadarmawan3051 Complete nonsense Europe produces 95% off all chipmachines in the world by ASML in The Netherlands. We just have too little actual chip producers in Europe.

[@zsarimaxim692]

One should achieve not just production independence, but also technology independence.

[@donhuang9855]

The Americans wouldn't like it; Europe is suppose to depend on the technologies as part of the US technological security; using wholly indegenous European technologies / parts will not be allowed to happen in Europe.

[@Masterrunescapeer]

That's not going to happen any time soon, the lead that AMD/Intel have is so substantial that it would probably take decades to catch up to what it is now, meanwhile the tech is still advancing. It's not that bad for Europe to be reliant on US in regards to this as the cultures are quite similar, unless there are drastic changes they'll keep being allies for quite a while yet.

[@protonjinx]

"We need government support"; corpospeak for "we want a bidding war where we can pit governments against eachother in a race to the bottom so that we can avoid paying taxes on our huge profits for as long as possible"

[@virtual_GaRy]

We will get many benefits out of investing into europe, so please subsidise it

[@no_alias_for_me]

Dude China is doing the same. Everything is funded by the government over there which actually is illegal according to the WTO. If Asia isn't playing fair, why should we?

[@chimera5054]

Intel is spending 20 Billion in Arizona alone, another 3.5 Billion in New Mexico and several more billion in Oregon and then there is the Billions in Israel and Ireland for future technologies. Subsidizes also pay for those great jobs, which build whole communities.

[@pasticcinideliziosi1259]

@@no_alias_for_me and also, what does playing fairly mean? Less taxation means that the government is playing even more fairly

[@brian5154]

Does anyone know that there is a company in the south of the Netherlands that makes the machines that make 90% of the world's microchips? It's called ASML

[@jannikheidemann3805]

Yes, I recently learned that from other videos on KZbin.

[@pawelabrams]

Talking about fragile supply chains, what happens if they are closed? People are raising alarm about today's only 3 or 4 foundries, while ASML is one of a kind!

[@Rangetechus]

Get on it guys!! The world needs you!

[@michelUSAvideos]

It’s crazy how good these journalists at DW are… they ask the right questions we the interviewees don’t want to hear :)

[@johntitor414]

lol, they are horrible, all upbeat news when it comes to germany with no details. they never asked the fact that this plant only produces 65nm chips compared to 5nm chips produced in TSMC and Samsung, we are literally at least 15 years behind in technology.

[@kkon5ti]

@ཀཱ it is not..

[@ssseee1540]

@@johntitor414 if you want good media that covers you're country you need to pay for it ;) And the chips are for the German car industry for example

[@hfhxshjc4045]

@@johntitor414 Bosch is even 300nm

[@joaquimbarbosa896]

@@johntitor414 Because its not for the same aplications. Intel is opening advanced chip fabs in Ireland and more chip fabs in Germany

[@EyFmS]

Good move, never put your eggs in the same basket. We need to build more plants in North America also.

[@dasteven1857]

It's very hard, even Intel gave orders to TSMC. TSMC plans to set up a factory in the United States, but they find that the cost will increase more than three times because of labor law and construction costs

[@EyFmS]

@@dasteven1857 Then aim for Central and South America. Mexico and Costa Rica botha have semiconductor manufacturing plants, with the rise of Spanish speaking community in North America having a direct link with the rest of the Americas can be a good move. If they don't, the Chinese will slowly start strategically moving their people in order to take that market and build trust amongst the population. Also with the abundance of minerals for the manufacturing of semiconductors it can make a even more profitable strategy, they need to stop using the South as a backyard and building better relations.

[@EyFmS]

@linlinö önilnil Well not all Latin American countries are underdeveloped. You have countries like Brasil that even with a high poor population they still have a highly educated population, the problem is the inequalities in society. But that wouldn't stop the development of a semiconductor industry imho. Countries like Chile, Argentina and Uruguay all have high GDP's and higher levels of economic development. I don't think it would take that much time to get a functioning industry, at least less than 30 years.

[@denjo3131]

@linlinö önilnil another big problem is also the supply chain. Very much materials in electronics are (very) rare/polluting. You need to have the sources, one solution is recycling/circular economy, to become less dependent of other countries. In Europe we don't have very much natural resources, and if you buy foreign materials, you often support wars, environment destruction,... That's the reason why e-waste recycling is becoming more popular. But even it's recycled, the processes are often not sustainable.

[@kentershackle1329]

@linlinö önilnil U need a degree of what?. To become a factory operator ?.😂 Yr tone is soo racist, Semiconductors industry has thrived in Asia because the goverments gives tax breaks, incentives and cheaper labour n logistics.

[@manikkalore1630]

I hope they keep on increasing the investment because 1 billion is not that much in this resource intense industry.

[@ravagekillz]

1 billion is enough to get started gor a few years

[@xythiera7255]

@@ravagekillz No its not. LoL

[@xythiera7255]

@@piotrtrebisz6602 And ?. Were is this magic device build if its so amazing . If that allready exist why does EUV still exist.

[@xythiera7255]

@@piotrtrebisz6602 To even start we woud need to inest 100billion not to forget that EUV maschiens only get build 1 per year or 2 ?. 1 billion does nothing in Semicontator industry . Its like paying 1 days rent in a motel.

[@estate0007]

"Silicon Saxony" that's a whole new story! A better one as which is currently often told about Saxony :-) Good luck with that!

[@GrandTheftChris]

It's not that new though. The term came up in the 1990s (refering to silicon valley as a rolemodel), following the gdr robotron computer and chip production tradition in the region since the late 1950s.

[@test-qz4dq]

You have also Many Volksfahrräder Here in Dresden.

[@GrandTheftChris]

@@test-qz4dq Are you refering to the "Diamant" bikes? One indeed can see them a lot in the area of Dresden. I believe they are one of the oldest bike brands of Germany.

[@test-qz4dq]

@@GrandTheftChris maybe. On mondays i hear often crowds Walking through the old town and demanding Volksfahrräder.

[@GrandTheftChris]

@@test-qz4dq They must be part of the ADFC. They are demanding new bike lanes in cities nearly everywhere.

[@mikemonkey1026]

I am literally 5km away of this factory and the video was filled with information i didn’t know. Thanks

[@jigold22571]

About time.Bravo.

[@alphonsemd2510]

Wish u all the best.

[@berkrullah]

it's the first step to alienate chinese autocracy. godspeed.

[@ikm64]

"Trust" is only dangerous...when you need to depend on it...

[@joey199412]

We shouldn't only be more independent from Asia but also from America. Europe needs to stand on its own feet. Just one bad election needs to happen in the US and it could lead to the EU being sidelined. If we produce everything we need within our borders we wouldn't have to mind what America and Asia does within their own borders as it wouldn't affect us anymore.

[@RS-ls7mm]

The US hasn't had a good president in more than 20 years. Smart people become CEOs (which have more power), politics is futility. Globalization is terrible idea. One disruption and everything falls apart. But globalization seems to be the trend.

[@RS-ls7mm]

@The plan He was a so-so president. Very poor public and foreign relations but seemed to be leading the economy in the right direction. So far, much better than Biden.

[@RS-ls7mm]

@The plan Yeah, the betrayal of the democrat party by Obama on immigration can't be forgiven. Democrats used to be the party that protected the American worker. Not any more.

[@antoniolima1068]

@@RS-ls7mm public and foreign? i have never seen such a big campaign agaisnt the character of an american president, how can he have a good relation if he is disrespected and demonized?? shame on a population that dosent respect their elected oficials.

[@silimarina.]

@@RS-ls7mm Globalization has its good parts also

[@HybridHumaan]

Proud to be part of that process! :D

[@ArpanMukhopadhyay93]

👍👍👍👍👍 I am really nervous about China capturing Taiwan

[@anuarnader9063]

Thank you very much Bosch! ❤

[@zephryus]

The world needs this. i wish it would also happen in north america

[@dhank2242]

Same here. I would love to see a new CA/US/MX trio alliance regarding manufacturing and technology. We are linked to our fellow North American countries. We need to work with them more. I wouldn't mind working with our South American partners either... looking at you Brazil.

[@Abhishek-sr2pu]

@@dhank2242 you want to start a continental nationalism lol. Asia would dominate.

[@tautiksinharoy5650]

@@Abhishek-sr2pu yes 😁

[@paulohagan3309]

It is. Both Intel and TSMC have announced major investments in the US

[@frederik3326]

Love to see these disks, it's so surreal there are billions of transistors in there

[@boffo25]

invested 30 billions $ over 30 years. Potatoes in the semiconductor industry

[@malakwaqasawan4371]

i don't understand big corporations do not want to pay taxes, but they want subsidies from tax payers.....????

[@Based_n_Boredpilled]

Good for everyone, everyone needs more supply.

[@Ate.ria04]

Yes Europe 💯💯❤️❤️

[@satyamkhurana7532]

This is amazing news , much awaited action . All the semiconductor production is largely with China and Taiwan . They rule the market and they know the art of manufacturing. In current scenario where world is facing semiconductor shortage I hope this plant will be able to cater the needs and finish monopoly. Kudos to 🇩🇪 .

[@dasteven1857]

US has sanctioned China's semiconductor industry, which is the reason for the worldwide shortage

[@xythiera7255]

@@dasteven1857 No its not at all..china has nothing to.do.with that.China doesnt even make Chips that are needed right now.

[@xythiera7255]

Germans plant wont anything . Or go anywere .

[@dasteven1857]

@@xythiera7255 China can manufacture 28nm chips, such as SMIC. Although mobile and computers need 5nm or 10nm technology, it is enough for car chips. cars don't need such advanced technology

[@andraslibal]

We should bring back as much production to Europe as possible. Research development and production should be side by side. We should really not outsource anything, there is enough variation inside the continent in wages and skills to find a place for everything.

[@Abraxium]

Good! More self-sustaining and will lead to more work possibilities in eastern Germany

[@urimtefiki226]

High customer demand the plant is already fully booked this year and to a large extend next year. You are doing good job Bosch.

[@rollingdownfalling]

Great news, good luck Germany. Although I agree with a lot of the comments where it's actually independence from both US and Asia. And I wish that kind of thinking will extend to other fields. The world needs a third or fourth power to place the power balance into some form of equilibrium.

[@dhank2242]

There won't be a third or fourth individual country that will be competitive with US or China this century. India has potential due to shear population, but that's a few decades off.

[@Abhishek-sr2pu]

Imagine is asia started to get unite seeing European nationalism.

[@gluteusmaximus1657]

I am impressed how large the wavers are nowadays. When i was a technician, they were just ca. 10 cm in diameter.

[@0MoTheG]

Wafer 4" was ~1980

[@gluteusmaximus1657]

@@0MoTheG Growing larger diameters was a difficult thing. If i remember correctly, that 4" was at least until '85 - '87.

[@urimtefiki226]

Congratulations Germany.

[@schlafcomandanten]

I bet the US is going to get mad about this. Most semiconductor chips are made in Taiwan.

[@schlafcomandanten]

@@tigereyewong9757 Why do I bother to talk to a sock puppet account.

[@Sanpedranoazul]

That's the problem with globalization! Strange Bosch Haven't had a semi conductor factor until now, good for them 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@wastedwizard5112]

Takes a few years to put one together, I'd think

[@janeisklar3923]

I dream of a Europe which is completely independent of the CCPs China

[@ElDJReturn]

The Intel woman was not ready for this interviewer. Kudos DW for hitting hard and Hooray for Bosch! I am happy to sell Bosch Motors and Batteries in the E-Bikes at my shop.

[@dsagent]

This should have been done in Europe and the US years ago.

[@pobraposric4927]

That's so logical step,i wonder its not been done before

[@xythiera7255]

Its has not done even now . Its to expensive to do . Thats reality.

[@nedas18]

Well done Bosh ;-) But I totally don't understand Intel, we will open business in EU, but we need subsidies. I would like open business in US, can you wire few millions to my bank ac for start ? And then I will pick state to open one ;-)

[@MrLee353]

They've invested €22 billion in a new plant in Ireland already

[@MrLoobu]

Good thing we all have smart fridges and smart toasters and smart everything except people.

[@elvy9326]

😂😂😂 thts a brilliant idea u got thr , a smart high tec chip for human brain

[@seriouslysupersonic]

Let's hope we can expand this capacity beyond semiconductors for the automotive industry and make sure they can be competitively price around the world.

[@treshi]

That's a good move by Europe, and we need to make more moves in this direction. I bet the UK regrets leaving Europe after this move.

[@alexanderhowarth6460]

we have ARM, soon the be NVidia/ARM lol. They make by far the most efficient chips in the world

[@By-Fun-Jokes-Guitars]

AMD is also in east Germany. Great news.

[@tonydoggett7627]

The best thing about Bosch is the majority of profit funds medical research and other projects through Robert Bosch Stiftung GmbH charity.

[@evilkidm93b]

Please help me understand why you trust them to really do so.

[@tonydoggett7627]

@@evilkidm93b read up on Wikipedia the structure of Bosch. As a electrician I have followed the company for a long time. If only I could buy shares in it!

[@evilkidm93b]

@@tonydoggett7627 Fair enough, though I can't help but feel a bit suspicious when companies portray themselves as charitable. It's no secret that they run campaigns to emphasize their good side, and in many cases warp public perception.

[@Archon83]

@@evilkidm93b And there are also people in the board of directors for this "charity" who all have ties to bosch and earn a pretty hefty salary. Sooo...

[@johnny_silverhand]

Bosch will be game changer with this critical move

[@sunrae3971]

Like Airbus was once an answer to an increased American Aviation Monopoly, Europe needs Answer in to a American Chip Monopoly.

[@ricnyc2759]

The title says "Asia". It's against China, Taiwan and South Korea.

[@sunrae3971]

@@ricnyc2759 first it´s´s not "against" and second, the big chip companies are American - does not matter what the title said from a European perspective.

[@ricnyc2759]

@@sunrae3971 The jobs will move from Asia (South Korea and Taiwan) to the West. The excuse is to stop China, but it will affect the other countries in that region. Do I have to explain to you that the factories will be moved to the US and Europe an people in Asia will lose their jobs?

[@sunrae3971]

​@@ricnyc2759 Why? We have a global chip shortage and not a chip oversupply. we need "new" production lines and not closing old ones. Asia will still have their own. Europe needs its own capabilities after suez canal and pandemic crisis. Especially here in the East of Germany new jobs in non minimum wage branches are needed. Side Note - Average Purchasing power is higher in South Korea than in East Germany. And i even do not care if east germany or other European regions who could need high quality jobs.

[@ricnyc2759]

@@sunrae3971 Never mind. You just don't get it.

[@MaximKachurovskiy]

As a related topic, I just received 5 custom PCBs from China, ordered 4 days ago, total 20 euro with shipping. Best offer in Europe is 60 euro and several weeks waiting time. Chips are just one narrow area, dependence on simple and cheap Chinese components is tremendous.

[@YayoLife]

This is good! We need competition back. This is good for all consumers wherever we are from.

[@tjmarx]

Great news. 🤞 on car prices going back down by December.

[@a.hoctavius5848]

Europe should never have outsourced any of its manufacturing..... lousy governments ... doesn’t take a rocket scientist to forecast what would have happened

[@questworldmatrix]

You mean the continent that essentially enslaved the rest of the world?

[@kukulroukul4698]

@@questworldmatrix free up yourselves AND shut da f**** up already ! :)

[@josecarlos11]

It's called globalization bro, and stock holders/investors rule now. Governments are becoming powerless all the time, I don't think globalization will go away anytime soon. Who can make the cheapest will win this race, regardless of quality. I hope I'm wrong though

[@kukulroukul4698]

@@josecarlos11 ure wrong

[@josecarlos11]

@@kukulroukul4698 elaborate bro, just telling me I'm wrong is not helpful, what You think is happening?

[@abdirahmanhussein3899]

Well done, Bosch! Germany and Europe

[@TimurSalimov提姆티무]

Right idea, right plan and everything is on time!

[@someguyfromarcticfreezer6854]

This will beat scalpers very hard. GOOOOD.

[@paperflight5803]

It is definitely unsafe for us to rely on Taiwan. Come on Bosch.

[@1yyymmmddd]

That's great news. Given that such production is almost 100% automated, always wondered, why would they bring chips from another side of the Earth when they can produce them in Europe.

[@dandy445]

I loled at the lady holding a wafer and pretending to inspect it by hand!

[@ReddoFreddo]

She may have been inspecting it for dust or damage etc. Are you an expert or something?

[@ccllvn]

@@ReddoFreddo yes from the armchair university of youtube

[@ReddoFreddo]

@@ccllvn He must've gone to Khan Academy

[@johntitor414]

sadly, what this news didnt tell you is that this plant produces 65nm chips, which is way way behind the 5nm chips produced by TSMC and Samsung. its even way behind what most of newly built and incoming Chinese plants which most youtube semiconductor commentators considers bottom tiers of semiconductor world.

[@k.t.5405]

GO BOSCH!!!!

[@wolfgangloll2747]

Waren die Kosten für eine high end Chip Fabrik nicht 5-14 Mrd.? Wasn't the cost of a high end chip factory 5-14 billion? are these just no high end chips?

[@kentstructures4388]

TSMC produces 5nm chips now..way way ahead than US and far far ahead than europe..

[@rollingdownfalling]

Fabrication is only one part of the process though, there are other parts of the bottlenecks in the process as well, you can check out on Techalter's video with a thorough explanation.

[@mobeyond]

Now uncle Sam want those jobs back......

[@MrJohanFrederik]

Apparently a lot of R&D of novel chips happens in Belgium, and production of chip fabrication machines happens quite a bit in the Netherlands. This is just adding the next step in the chain.

[@Ben23315]

Where does the 5 nm machines came from?

[@kukulroukul4698]

@@Ben23315 :)))) lol ;)

[@Dustie1984]

Finally... more chips and electronics from Europe.

[@s0012823]

Well we are making the machines here in Netherlands so that is a good step

[@mrmuranga]

another great short piece by DW..👍🏿

[@willys2747]

Dresden plant was planned and construction started long before the crisis.

[@pawelabrams]

This, people think you can build a chip foundry in a year, when one test run takes 3 months xD

[@Yorgarazgreece]

That's some refreshing news! Glad to see both US and EU doing something about it

[@DurzoHighwind]

Let Christin talk for more than 15seconds, no one cares that some celebrity did something. Actual news deserves respect. This is why legacy media is going to die

[@goodiezgrigis]

You have to understand that Bosch is a global company, but making chips costs the same wherever you make them. Latest disruptions in supply rang some bells as Bosch customers are mainly industry that got disruptions in production of machines and equipment. Nowdays everything uses some kind of semiconductors, from cooking stove to cars, robots and industrial machinery. There where plants in Europe before, but capacity was low.

[@RunescapNerdHar1]

My friend works in intel in ireland so when she was like “So when will Intel invest in Europe too?” I was like ugh… they already have? 😂

[@tokiomitohsaka7770]

That’s great news. Even if I don’t care about the car industry, the reduced load on other semiconductor manufacturers means they would be able to make more GPUs and CPUs and that’s something I actually care about.

[@lukehua5989]

European version of self-reliance

[@mindaza0]

1bln eur in semiconductors is peanuts

[@urimtefiki226]

Never let yourself behind, just invest properly in wise manner.

[@JustRandomPerson]

TSMC alone plan to invest 100 billion in next 3 year, here they talk about few billions investment, not to mention current gap that already exist. It’s a joke, gap will only grow.

[@meahoola]

A 130 nanometre process...

[@meahoola]

@@piotrtrebisz6602 Do you think the EU push for a 2nm fab will be successful? I certainly wish it would, but I have doubts.

[@meahoola]

@@piotrtrebisz6602 You seem to know what you are talking about. I understand Bosch has to make European Automotive ASICS more independent, a positive turn. But the way the media communicate the new fab is nonsense. ...sidelining the EUV Nanometer race, I didn't think about that.

[@paulohagan3309]

You have to start somewhere. Once the industry is established, and the government sends out feelers, more will arrive. After what has happened in the last couple of years, I'm sure it's seen as a priority by governments in the EU and for that matter in other developed countries.

[@xythiera7255]

@@meahoola No 2nm exist only in IBM labs lol its not even close to be made and we coudnt even make them even if we wanted to.

[@janeykyon]

Congratulations Bosch..But Bosch has very few semiconductor IC products.. I dont think it will stop its dependence on other semiconductor manufacturers (be it Opamps, controllers, Mosfets...)

[@barbaralindhjem2488]

Finally....common sense. Local supply

[@JogieGlenMait16]

This will be super high quality chips with higher prices. I still like it.

[@anshulmishra5521]

This is a great news!

[@chandrasamsung337]

good news. It should make more production plants like this

[@alf3071]

yo make some chip factories in Romania, help the country's economy!

[@andrekoniger3020]

Too corrupt

[@kukulroukul4698]

@@andrekoniger3020 :(

[@indonesiansasquatch4926]

I was gonna say Romania or Hungary but Mercedes had production quality issues in HU and these corrupt governments are really difficult to work with. :( Much more likely to be Poland or the Czech Republic.

[@prioris55555]

@@indonesiansasquatch4926 Each country is controlled by one or more organized crime entities.

[@prioris55555]

@@piotrtrebisz6602 Many accuse Nokia of subsidy fraud. "What we see here is a subsidy caravan, with Nokia moving production to places where they get subsidies and then closing production after a couple of years," he told Deutsche Welle. "Nokia misused subsidies here in Germany, and apparently, the now did it in Romania, too. That appears to be part of the company strategy, but it's not a very successful strategy." Nokia products aren't competitive.

[@danielekirylo]

Well done Bosch.... Europe needs to have their own chip production, it's fundamental economically, politically and from a national security PoV

[@tomkelly8827]

Sitting here in Canada, I would say this is good news, not only for Germany and Europe but also for the world. It is a good idea to diversify the supply chain away from being a Taiwan based supply chain for the whole world. I do feel concerned about how this move will effect Taiwan though. I worry that Taiwan will be more likely to become the next Hong Kong once it is no longer the global micro chip manufacturer any more

[@Kar90great]

All this diversification and supply crunch is happening so that Taiwan ends up powerless with no bargain chips on world stage, eventually China will take over Taiwan and no one will bat an eye

[@ndrsg3013]

I wonder about their road map. And for how long is this factory gonna be operating

[@riccphoto]

Good news finally!!!!

[@tobene]

Sounds good, but one billion for a chip plant is quite low, usually such a plant costs 5 billion or more

[@genuinennessbefitting4734]

20 billion for 3 nm, 40 billion for 2 nm.

[@achristian1643]

EU has lost its competitiveness to East Asia namely China Japan Korea Taiwan...

[@Freshie55]

@@Just_another_Euro_dude True but these machines don't do very much on their own. They require alot of retooling and reconfiguring for them to make the most advanced chips in the market. Hence why only a few specific companies in specific countries can make the most advanced ones. And that is where the money is at. Standard chips that China and others can manufacturers do not have very high overhead and don't earn very much. Actually the chip industry is notoriously known to be a debt trap because of the high investment but low turn around. Not to mention the complexity of running a multi billion dollar foundry. Most fail before construction is even complete.

[@genuinennessbefitting4734]

@@Just_another_Euro_dude Without Taiwanese, ASML could not build euv. major Chip theory breakthrough was from Taiwanese, ASML euv was developed in TSMC's factory F12 with help from TSMC engineers.

[@INFINITY-oe4is]

Can't wait to overclock my washing machine!

[@lustigelanguste580]

LOL

[@pgp]

Finally!

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[@albertschultz7151]

About time we in Europe reduce our reliance on Asia and the USA. Not only in the semiconductor industry but over the whole market.