Bosch PBD 40 bench drill problems

[@AdaptingCamera]

Anyway, if you already have the Bosch PBD 40 and want to improve it, you can change the chuck. The chuck this machine is delivered with is really not for bench drill machines, but for small hand impact drill machines. If you are interested in changing the chuck you can have a look at my video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHTUh6KXfLt-bsksi=AgRw1wfMCc6FUmJq showing how to do it. And here is the answer to the question you asked about what did I replace the Bosch PBD 40 with: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5CrhZ2LhLqmnJo The new machine is better in many ways, it is much quieter and definitely more rigid and way more precise. No wobbling anywhere, so I don't regret my decision, even if not everything is perfect in this machine.

[@aaandis]

Correct me if I am wrong, but It seems you are trying to use an amateur drill press as a milling machine.

[@AdaptingCamera]

No. I use it for drilling metal, in this video I use a hole saw and planned to mill the recession it created in a real mill. Milling with a drill machine chuck would be dangerous and dumb. I know some people do it, but I don't. This machine is definitely not suitable for milling, I never expected that it would be... 😃😂

[@wanekt.8712]

But did you ever checked what is the max diameter in steel reccomended for this tool? On the official bosch website it clearly says max 13mm for steel... So you are trying to drill probably a 40mm hole (about 300% overload), and you complain it is not up to the task / it develops play and makes funny noise? Really?

[@jasonellis5202]

Mine has way more play than that from new. Shame as i really like the features. But unfortunately it is useless if it can't drill accurately. Replaced with a second hand brobo Weldon, absolute beautiful machine

[@AdaptingCamera]

@@wanekt.8712 My problem has nothing to do with the hole saw I am using. Also, the recommendation is for drilling. A drill is much more of a load than a hole saw, therefore your math is totally wrong. There is no 300% overload at all, you can't just compare the size of two holes, 13mm and 40mm and say that 40mm is 300% larger, so the load is 300% more. It's really not that simple at all. If it were 300% overload the machine would stop, and also, it's easy to overload the machine with smaller than 13 mm drills also.

[@AdaptingCamera]

@@jasonellis5202 I am sorry that you share my experience. I don't know the Weldon, never heard about it. Here is the machine I replaced with: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5CrhZ2LhLqmnJo The new machine is better in many ways, it is much quieter and definitely more rigid and way more precise. No wobbling anywhere, so I don't regret my decision, even if not everything is perfect in this machine. But I would not recommend this machine, because it is not problem free and also because I have no experience with any other machines except the ones I have or have had.

[@philscoltock5082]

Interesting. Food for thought, makes me wonder whether to proceed to buy one of these or planned or something else. What make and model of pillar drill did you upgrade to instead ?

[@AdaptingCamera]

To be honest, I was quite happy with the PBD 40 for ten years. The reason is that it has many features, which I liked a lot so I forgave the negatives. But in the end I felt that I really need a better one, because I am mostly using my machine for metal. And by "mostly", I mean 99.99%. The PBD 40 is a good all around machine and in my opinion it is extremely worth for most hobbyists, who mainly use it on wood. Regarding my new drill press, I want to keep quiet about that for now because I am currently in discussion with the manufacturer. So for now, I don't want to mention the brand and the model. It was though twice as expensive as the PBD 40.

[@AdaptingCamera]

This is the answer: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5CrhZ2LhLqmnJo

[@kyriakosmavrommatis5884]

Hello, Can you recommend me 2-3 brands of bench drills. Thank you in advance.

[@AdaptingCamera]

Hi, I am sorry, I am not a drill machine tester and can not recommend any machine, I can only share my experience. I am planning to make a video of my new machine, but since I have no access to any other machine, it is hard for me to say if there are better ones or not. I made a survey which satisfies my needs and is within my budget for a machine. Our needs and budgets may not be the same, and also, the machine I am using may not be available where you live.

[@AdaptingCamera]

Here is the machine I replaced with: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5CrhZ2LhLqmnJo The new machine is better in many ways, it is much quieter and definitely more rigid and way more precise. No wobbling anywhere, so I don't regret my decision, even if not everything is perfect in this machine. But I would not recommend this machine, because it is not problem free and also because I have no experience with any other machines except the ones I have or have had.

[@ilgincseyler5174]

HELLO, WHEN I TURN ON THE MACHINE IT STOPS AFTER A WHILE, HOW CAN I FIX THIS?

[@AdaptingCamera]

Sorry, I have no idea. Perhaps it's overheating? Maybe something wrong with the switch? Very difficult to say, especially without seeing it happening.

[@PhantomBoS]

Hello. Then which drilling machine in this price category ($250-300) would you recommend? I'm just planning to buy one.

[@AdaptingCamera]

I bought this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5CrhZ2LhLqmnJo In many ways it is much better, but it is also twice as expensive. I don't know where you live, and honestly, I can't recommend any machines, since I am not a tester and have only one.

[@chrisvaughan159]

Certainly has it's limitations it seems but I have seen it used as a milling machine in other youtube videos. However I get the impression with the backlash on the Rack & Pinion mechanism, drilling anything other than single holes in metal accurately will not be a complete success. As you say - virtually impossible to eliminate the backlash. I think it will be an improvement on my (cheap) drill press though, so still intend to buy one, and change the chuck as you have demonstrated (thank you) so I can drill tiny, vertical holes in metal that are actually vertical.........

[@AdaptingCamera]

I did not regret buying the PBD 40. It got me started and served me well. Yes, it has it's limitations, but it has also many advantages compared to similarly priced drill machines. I would however avoid buying the knock-offs Lidl and some other shops are selling. Those are cheaper for a reason, not exactly identical copies. The Bosch has for example a very good motor control electronics and has a powerful motor. I have used mine for about 10 years, but now it was time to move on and get an even better one. But the new one is also much larger and twice as expensive. However, people who use the PBD 40 for milling are in my opinion crazy and have no clue about what they are doing. They are in constant danger because an ordinary drill chuck, no matter which brand or quality, is not made for the type of forces which is exhibited during milling. Even if you don't care about precision, it is very dangerous because the chuck might open any time and you can get the mill bit or some chips flying right into your eyes. So it's crazy and dangerous for you and for everyone around you.

[@AdaptingCamera]

My problem was not backlash, there is no backlash in this machine, since there are no lead screws, apart from the rack / pinion mechanism of the Z movement. The problem is wobbling and there is no way to fix that. Here is the machine I replaced with: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5CrhZ2LhLqmnJo The new machine is better in many ways, it is much quieter and definitely more rigid and way more precise. No wobbling anywhere, so I don't regret my decision, even if not everything is perfect in this machine.

[@favore1804]

After starting up and a few seconds at full speed, the drill turns itself off. It has to be turned off and on again, it spins and turns off again. Where is the fault? Throw it out and buy another one? The repair may be more expensive than a new one. Please advise where the problem is!_Thank you

[@AdaptingCamera]

It's very difficult to say. Maybe it's overloaded? Mabe so simple that there is something wrong with the switch? How should I know without even having seen it? Make a video and post it on KZbin, maybe that would give us a clue.

[@AdaptingCamera]

I am sorry, I have no idea. It's not easy to diagnose the problem based on one sentence. I hope you'll find the issue.

[@valmir144]

I think that you want a 200€ bench drill to behave as a "professional", "heavy-duty" drill...

[@AdaptingCamera]

To start with, it's a bit more where I live, almost 300 €, and for 300 € you can actually get a much better machine here and everywhere else. I am not saying this is a bad machine if you can live with the weaknesses it has, and change the chuck, but if you change the chuck and want quality you need to spend another 100 €. So you see, it is more expensive than only 200 €. But the main reason for me to get rid of this machine is the machine head wobble, which is a none-existent issue even in a 100 € tiny bench drill.

[@MaxNippard]

I found the same problem when i tested a bosch in store. Ended up buying an old 1960's Japanese drill press and putting a brushless DC motor made for a commercial sewing machine on it. Total cost was less than the bosch.

[@AdaptingCamera]

Yes, that's one reason why I am not buying a new PBD 40 again. After all the years this machine was on the market (I had mine for 10 years) this simple issue is still not fixed. Every one I checked in every store has the same issue. It could be easily fixed if they would change the rack to a bit wider one or at least would add some set screws to tighten and adjust the wobble. It's a shame because I really like this machine.

[@kyriakosmavrommatis5884]

Thanks for your tutorial videos. Can you please let me know which new one you are going to buy? I was planning in September to buy a Bosch PBD 40, but with your informative video I stopped - it saved me from buying this machine, so your opinion - experience matters. Thank you in advance.

[@AdaptingCamera]

I am glad you liked my videos. At the moment I don't want to mention which one I bought, but the price was twice that of the PBD 40. I would not buy a cheaper one and expect it to be better than the PBD 40. I am planning to make a video about it, so I'll get back. Anyway, to be honest, I was happy with the PBD 40 for about ten years, so it served me well and did not regret buying it.

[@kyriakosmavrommatis5884]

@@AdaptingCamera Thank you for your reply..I will wait for your test video with new drill you bought. (?? estimate time of your new video to youtube ????????)

[@AdaptingCamera]

@@kyriakosmavrommatis5884 Hi. Here is the answer: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5CrhZ2LhLqmnJo The new machine is better in many ways, it is much quieter and definitely more rigid and way more precise. No wobbling anywhere, so I don't regret my decision, even if not everything is perfect in this machine.

[@evildrome]

You could theoretically shim the rack. Accurately measure the rack width and the slot it goes into and then buy a strip of shim the right size and glue it with Araldite to one side of the rack. Or shim the slot which may be easier. Or buy a decent industrial drill 2nd hand. Like a Meddings, Startrite, Fobco or Arboga. I have a Fobco & an Arboga. Both cost around £300 at auction but these were good prices. The Fobco 7/8 is usually £600 and the Arboga around the same.

[@AdaptingCamera]

Believe me, I tried shimming, but it is not possible with this machine. You must have it to understand the problem, I could show it if I still had it, but I don't. I bought a new machine, which will be just fine for me for now. As for second hand industrial machines... well, no thank you. I believe those are hit and miss, you can be lucky, or you can get one which which means a lot of renovation work before it can be any good, or it is too big for the space I have, or too expensive when delivery is included, which many times NOT included or possible, so I have to collect and arrange transport, which is expensive where I live.

[@evildrome]

@@AdaptingCamera Fair enough. However, drills aren't milling machines. They usually either work or they don't. Normally you can switch things on at an auction so that tells you if it works. Next, grab the chuck and pull it back and forth. Any play is unacceptable. For drills.. that's about it. The #1 problem is most industrial drills (even small ones) are 3ph. Which isn't the giant PITA it was 30 years ago when I bought my drills. Now you can buy a top quality Yaskawa 2hp, 240 to 415 VFD for £80. And with that you get electronic speed control, soft start AND the ability to reverse the drill. As for transport... you have local auctioneers I'm sure. Most drills you'd be interested in will fit in the boot of a family car and will be a one man lift. Seriously, once you use industrial machinery you'll wonder why you ever bought (or could live with) anything else. Every machine I own dates from the 60s/70s and all of them will outlive me by a long distance. Buy quality. Buy once.

[@Neslekkim]

what did you replace it with?

[@AdaptingCamera]

At the moment I don't want to mention that. I am planning to make a video about it, so I'll get back.

[@alexandrugajin763]

I stay away from green bosh, the hobby class is just an evil way from bosh company to take the customers from smaller tool makers, making junk tools simply for the fact of taking that part of the market too. They are just too greedy to make only professinal tools. The professinal class, the blue ones are good tools, i had some, abused the hell out of them and still work just fine. The green ones are trash. You are expecting precision from a tool wich is designed to be as cheap as possible. If they were to make those tolerances really tight that would've required more care and attention, that would've increase the price and then the tool would not fit into a price category wich would bring profits to the company, again, the tool is designed to take the customers from smaller brands, simply because it has a bosh logo on it. You would probably find a much better drill press in this money from a not so famous brand. This is the thing about big tool manufacturers, with some tools they just abuse the trust people have in their brand to sell junk.

[@AdaptingCamera]

You are wrong on many counts. This machine is excellent when you need a small and compact machine and not need the high precision. It was good enough for me also for about ten years, even though I used it mostly for metal. Nevertheless, there comes a time, if you are serious with what you are doing, when an upgrade is necessary and when you start needing more than what this machine is offering. I did not regret buying this machine and using it for so long time. You can't get a better one for this price if you consider all the features it has. ...and before you say that they just fancy, useless features, not, they are not. The features are very useful and at least I used all the features every time I used this machine.

[@dumyjobby]

I do have one and the features are nice but it's far from precise. Too mach play that negate any precision to be achieved

[@AdaptingCamera]

Yes, the Bosch PBD 40 has some nice features. In the end, the total play got me to dump it and to buy this one: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a5CrhZ2LhLqmnJo In many ways, the new machine is considerably better. It is much quieter, and way more precise, but it is also much more expensive.

[@favore1804]

fter starting up and a few seconds at full speed, the drill turns itself off. It has to be turned off and on again, it spins and turns off again. Where is the fault? Throw it out and buy another one? The repair may be more expensive than a new one. Please advise where the problem is!_Thank you

[@AdaptingCamera]

I am sorry, I have no idea. Perhaps you are overloading the machine, or perhaps there is something wrong with the emergency switch.

[@AdaptingCamera]

I am sorry, I have no idea. It's not easy to diagnose the problem based on one sentence. I hope you'll find the issue.