Bosch vs Brose. Which is more powerful the Trek Rail or the Specialized Turbo Levo?

[@siriosstar4789]

Good review . most of these motors are soo close to each other in performance that i would go for the reliability factor above all else . I have a gen 3 cx that i love in tour mode and turbo for steep hills . the only thing i don't like about the turbo is you have to pedal at a pretty high cadence to get the most out of the assist . A the age 75 , i find that i'm getting winded waay too soon and i'm not getting any fitter , so i lost my mind and bought a new bike today with the new german motor, Sachs . it has enormous power at very low cadence . i would say i have to pedal about half as fast compared to the bosch and get the same speed up a hill. a Super good motor for old timers .

[@Intentsrig]

Levo. All day. Range, power, feel of the motor, 700wh. I can do 70 miles and 5k in eco! It's crazy. Still beats the new EP8 w/630wh in range test's.

[@fzr1000981]

Nah Bosch has more power and is far more reliable, look at the many other reviews out there. Also easier to get motor service if you need it

[@DerkDerglass]

Sounds great but you don’t get that mileage when its in the shop for repair

[@stevepetttyjohn7900]

I've got both the Bosch and Brose, and just like your report, I can't definitively say which is more powerful either. The Brose is on a slightly longer enduro frame, whereas the Bosch is on bit shorter wheelbase, so I slightly prefer the latter on the more technical trails. I really like the eMtb mode on the Bosch, but I like the quieter Brose. Yes, just choose the color you like!

[@bestdayevermtb2]

Thanks Steve for the feedback. It is funny as I nearly didn't put this video up as I thought nobody would watch it. It has however been one of my most viewed videos.

[@BrentDunstan]

The Levo felt more powerful at lower cadences than the Trek to me. The Trek was being ridden in EMTB and the Levo in a custom mid-power setting that still provided full assistance at the peak. Might be worth repeating with both bikes in full Boost/Turbo mode (100/100) to remove a potential variable. All in all two great bikes and a fun day out.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

Not sure I am going to do it again but a fun exercise. Maybe which bike jumps the furthest Thanks for your help with the video.

[@chriskriaris2671]

@@bestdayevermtb2 My gollie molly.

[@mack1fra]

I just bought the Trek rail 9, so I guess it was just the colour that swayed me. Good Video, love all the science you used to back up your opinion.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

The Trek rail is a great bike. I think the Bosch motor seems the most reliable at the moment which is way more important overall.

[@e_mtb]

​@@bestdayevermtb2 And the battery is removable / you can take a second one with you, which is also a big advantage. But the brose is clearly quieter, to be fair

[@bestdayevermtb2]

@@e_mtb the bosch motor can be a bit noisy but I think after awhile you forget about it. I have thought about getting a second battery to do a big adventure ride but worry the motor will fail high in the mountains. Not like you can carry a spare motor.

[@e_mtb]

​@@bestdayevermtb2 I'm also on the bosch motor, I'm also fine with the "noise", mine is pretty quiete, only noticable on very steep climbs. I only meant, that the brose is even quieter, not that the bosch is too worse ;) And I'm also using a spare battery, never had any issues with it so far in the alps :)

[@scottenman2005]

I love my Levo, but I must admit the Colors on some of the Trek's are amazing. Happy Riding.

[@johnreese3762]

I'm tired! Good review/video!! Thanks! Both nice bikes BTW!

[@golddiggerdave]

I've had a few different Ebikes/motors there's really not much difference system for system. However I've raced up 15% climbs against lads 1/2 my age and 2/3 of my weight on other ebike's levo's mondrakers, etc and toasted them. I put this down not only being a god of Ebiking 😀 but having the option to fully lock out the bike and having the grippiest rubber, it makes the climbs massively more efficient over 9-10 minutes of 100% blowing out of my arse effort. Great video mate.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

My weight doesn't help but my biggest handicap is lack of fitness.

[@golddiggerdave]

Best Day Ever MTB If you are out on the trails having a laugh you are lapping everyone sat on their backside! You have some beautiful countryside to ride in👍

[@jimji2774]

Its 2022 now and Bosch has updated their motor. I tested them side by side at a shop recently and the Bosch just felt like it had a whole extra level of assist. More importantly for offroad the Bosch just felt like it comes on quicker from a complete stop on an uphill. Brose is definitely the smoother and more natural feeling motor though. As someone coming off a SL who is looking for more punch I am leaning toward the Bosch on the Trek but then I am old and need all the help I can get.

[@jimji2774]

After riding in the mountains now I find the turbo mode on the Bosch a bit difficult to modulate in the slow technical stuff so its not that useful unless the trail opens up. I find I have to ride in emtb for anything technical which despite what they say does not seem to offer as much pop as the top assist turbo mode. I wish bosch would let you adjust those top two modes like I have heard Specialized does. I do see from Robs Rides that the new model lets you adjust eco and tour but they aren't that useful in the mountains for me. I would like to adjust how fast the turbo comes on to make it ideal.

[@shingnosis]

If you want the Brose motor (quietest engine, imho best most organic pedal feel) but don't want to pay Specialized prices I highly recommend the Italian Fantic bikes.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

Have heard of them but not seen one here in NZ. I think the best motor is one that has back up support in your local area.

[@rodspov1915]

I have experience with both, power wise the feel the same. Brose is significantly quieter.

[@jaycarneygiants]

1:30 in and I already know I like this guy. Cant wait for the final thought

[@NXAussie500]

Note that you only get the max Torque in Turbo or boost mode. Using max power mode is the best way to compare motors. But still a few variables in this comparison.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

You are right there are lots of variables and lots of ways this experiment could have been done. In the end it is a fairly light hearted bit of fun video. I did learn some useful things from it. My friend Brent was clearly faster than me uphill and the bikes when ridden in typical auto settings were virtually identical, so choosing a bike based on power is probably not the way to go. As many people pointed out reliability and noise are probably more important.

[@_-Lea_-]

The biggest difference of those motors is the NOISE and how they feel. The noisy Bosch motor is really getting on my nerves. And it does not feel as "natural", it "pushes" more.

[@billb7794]

Exactly like Jeremy said, I don’t really notice the noise much and the 4 or 5 people I’ve talked to that were riding on Levo, each one has had problems with their motor. Bosch is far more reliable, much more important to me!

[@_-Lea_-]

@@billb7794 The reliability point so far goes to Bosch yes, but Brose did improvements on the belt as well as on the software this year (avoiding power-peaks), so I assume new bikes will be more reliable now. In all other points Brose is superior to Bosch. More silent, more natural feeling, 100% decoupling, bigger battery capacities available...

[@SB-uu3uq]

Does anyone have any insights on how their batteries are fairing a year or two on? Is there anything in the new models that impact battery recommendations?

[@bestdayevermtb2]

The Bosch bike in this video is still going strong at 100% battery health. The Brose got sold. Eventually they do start to drop of.

[@SB-uu3uq]

@@bestdayevermtb2 would you have another turbo levo or would you go for another brand? Looking to get an emtb at the moment. Interested that you sold the levo and if it was anything to do with the ride?

[@bestdayevermtb2]

@@SB-uu3uq I have a ktm prowler and really like it. I have reviewed the latest levo and did like it. I plan to get a new bike every few years.

[@Dam1911]

I bought both and there great

[@cbenson513]

Rider weight makes a big difference going uphill. I'd take a Brose (under warranty) over the Bosch. I like the power delivery better, it's way quieter, and easy to customize the power delivery/settings.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

I know the weight makes a difference. My wife is half my weight and she gets a much greater range. I like the Brose but am always nervous the motor will let me down in the middle of nowhere.

[@abelramos8652]

In turbo all motors have plenty of power. What’s more important to me is how they behave in techy climbs rather than uphill motogp style like this video. And please don’t get me wrong any kind of test is good and is interesting to compare but this one is not really useful, for the reasons above mentioned. Never buy an ebike because the motor is more powerful, that’s not how it works in the trails. Regards!

[@bestdayevermtb2]

I think you are 100% correct. The video was made as a bit of fun and was shocked at just how many people viewed it. I think what the video did show was both bikes were very similar. My latest bike has a Bosch motor and I am enjoying it just as much as my old Brose. If you have seen my other videos the channel is all about having fun on e bikes and shouldn't be taken too seriously. Thanks for the feedback.

[@abelramos8652]

@@bestdayevermtb2 hey no problem men i do race uphill too sometimes i just want to tell people motor is only a part of the whole and more power doesnt mean better.

[@chrisrussell418]

Interesting but I would like to see Brent do the same uphill wearing a 20kg rucksack.! In the end its all down to level of fitness and power to weight. Brent has a better power to weight ratio partly because he's fitter but mainly because he is 20kg lighter. Chris

[@bestdayevermtb2]

You are right but I am not sure Brent will like the 20kg rucksack idea.

[@BrentDunstan]

Yeah...nah. My back is knackered enough as it is!

[@hael8680]

@@bestdayevermtb2 sacrifices have to be made for science!!

[@rickbault1221]

I just found your channel watched a couple of your great videos and subscribed. We recently bought my wife a Rail 7. Super good bike. I will buy a 2021 Levo Comp when available in Oregon. Both bikes are soooo good.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

Glad you liked the videos. What is the situation with track access for e bikes in your area?

[@rickbault1221]

Last year e-bikes were the devil. No one wanted anything to do with them. I traveled all around northern Oregon. Went to about 10 bike shops and found 2 emtb's in stock. I was literally told to leave one shop when I asked if they had any. Not kidding. This year I have noticed most everyone is accepting emtb's. Some are excited to ride and sell them. Most trails are open to ebikes. It helps that it's more difficult to tell the difference. The motorcycle shop where I work will soon be a Specialized Ebike dealership. Hence my desire to buy a Levo Comp.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

@@rickbault1221 I had wondered about that. I have ridden in Europe and they are hugely popular. The bike shops sell pretty much E bikes only now. I know of no where in NZ where e bikes are not allowed and most races include an e bike category. I had arranged even a few years back to do a ride with some Italians and they were shocked to find I was going to do it on a "muscle" bike as they called them. I didn't do the ride. I do hope America develops a similar mindset as I would love to do a big tour one day with an e bike.

[@rickbault1221]

Best Day Ever MTB we're headed back to Arizona on October 1. There are lots of places to ride there. I'm really curious to see how the ebike will work. My analog bike build is 29lbs or 13KG. I'm thinking the ebike weight will help keep the bike planted better. My regular bike is a bit sketchy and skatey sometimes. If you ever plan a trip here, Arizona or Oregon please let me know.

[@CallsItLikeISeizeIts]

@@rickbault1221 funny my motorcycle shop in MD is also a specialized dealer. 3 folks that work there used to run a bike store.

[@Silverbeardedsurfer]

I waited until the end of the video to see if you advised on colour lol. Humour was good. Reminded me of Australian friends. Are you guys in New Zealand?

[@Jcool721]

Has the woods ever burned down? Looks like a great place to ride.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

No never burnt down.

[@w2ge]

Is this with the newest Bosch update, from 75 n/m to 85n/m? Makes a big difference in other tests I’ve seen.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

Yes the 85nm. Brent talks about that in the middle of the video.

[@pentonville2362]

Always enjoy your light-hearted videos. Setting the thorny issue of reliability aside, I think all the main brands of Brose, Bosch, Yamaha and Shimano produce a good package these days. When choosing which one to get, it may be more to the tune of which one is available. I have the latest Bosch and am happy with it.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

I agree. Reliability is probably the most important factor. I have ridden a few e bikes now and lack of power has never been a concern with any of them especially with the speed restrictions.

[@Silverbeardedsurfer]

Reliability vs dealer support? I don't want any issues but if I have them I want them resolved easily and quickly. (Says the guy with the 2020 Turbo Levo post motor firmware update).

[@bestdayevermtb2]

@@Silverbeardedsurfer I think any e bike I buy will be from a local shop that is easily serviced in my country.

[@ellenhal1537]

We purchased this Vivi 27.5” electric bike and a Tentaquil 26” electric bike for our 13 and 14 year olds. kzbin.infoUgkxUiL0GnyDjP32RJdd660sP8mZk4CRLTCJ The Vivi was much easier to put together. With the Vivi, there was a video link to assist with assembly which made the process easier to follow (we did put the handlebars on upside down, but it was a quick and easy fix). With the Tentaquil, the assembly was not as simple to follow, but after we messaged the company for an assembly video, it was easier and they did respond quickly. The other major differences were that the Vivi has a grip throttle on the right handle (like a motorcycle) and the Tentaquil has a push throttle that you use your thumb to activate. The monitors were also different, so if you’re looking for something specific in terms of changing the bikes functions, pay attention to what the monitor offers. We were really impressed with the overall quality and functionality of both bikes, but if you’re looking for more power and an easier assembly, definitely go with the Vivi!

[@prettyjohnshill76]

I must admit I laughed through the whole of this vid. I have to wait until January to get my rail 9 xt, and I can't wait. All the best from Wales.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

That's a long wait but will be cool when you get it. I hope to ride in Wales some day.

[@donaldbartholomew209]

Glad you guys are having fun riding. The bafang ultra I run at 160 NM and can go on the flat areas over 40mph. I would smoke either of you guys on my hardtail on that trail!

[@bestdayevermtb2]

That sounds pretty cool. I think we are in exciting times at the beginning of electric bikes. Who knows what will be developed.

[@neilelliston]

160nm must kill chains in weeks😬😬

[@donaldbartholomew209]

@@neilelliston 600miles on my first chain before being repaced.

[@donaldbartholomew209]

@@bestdayevermtb2 I feel the same way. I cant wait to see new designs on the market.

[@getstrongby4038]

😆

[@ownzoor6245]

why didnt you test the levo in the turbo setting so 100% power

[@InfiniteExistance]

lol I got chair cardio, just watching this while having my coffee. hehe I love the freedom* of MTBing, but these downhill runs, my heart would explode lol kept watching just for the fun.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

I don't want to give you a heart attack. This video was made quite a while ago now just for a bit of fun. I could never have imagined so many people would watch it.

[@InfiniteExistance]

@@bestdayevermtb2 lol I can understand that, but I guess a lot of us don't have the confidence or skills for these amazing runs. I was very impressed and certainly want to see more. :) I used to ride a MTB a loong time ago, but I never did trails like this at such speeds... though if I had I' sure my cheap bike would've fallen apart heheh

[@toniobr76]

consumption difference?

[@Zetler]

I’m 165 lbs but I’m statistically lazier than everyone on the trails. That’s my I ride 120nm Bafang M600.

[@jimji2774]

Was this a test of which motor was stonger or which guy would have a heart attack first. You guys are pretty fit for your age.

[@wessimpson2544]

Well I had both on my short list the lower models under $6K. The Levo here in the SE of the USA hard to find. The Rail a little easier. The 7 which i wanted over 6 months so going with the 5. Get it in a month. It will be my 1st ebike.

[@albertfranqui3598]

How was the setting of the Levo and yes the red was noissy no wildlife watch with the red one. I recomande a bell of Timber nice for other people in the forest :)

[@bestdayevermtb2]

The Levo was set on 50 to 100% power. When going flat out uphill you are using 100%. The Trek was set up similar in EMTB. Thanks for the feedback.

[@cartercrackers1463]

Let's see where other people are watching from. Leave a comment and tell us where you are watching.

[@outbackwack368]

On my computer ;-)

[@savagejabbit5929]

Leeds uk

[@doctorpc4x4]

Was this fir a buck a point?

[@r6chrisk]

What gearing are the bikes, this could be something to consider...

[@bestdayevermtb2]

Lots of things to consider. Tire choice, geometry, length of run, fatigue. It was done as a fairly light hearted video but does show a few things. My friend Brent was faster uphill regardless of the bike. Also both bikes when ridden in typical settings were virtually identical in regards to power. I think power would be low down on my list for choosing a bike.

[@SP-ss4uo]

Nice one keep them coming

[@olliesmith687]

are you going to post the video from woodwill last saturday

[@bestdayevermtb2]

Yes I am. I think you will really like it.

[@olliesmith687]

This weekend or next because I am excited to take grams spot lol🤣

[@bestdayevermtb2]

@@olliesmith687 Might be two weeks before that one comes out.

[@jensmoon]

Has the Bosch 75 or 85nm for this test?

[@bestdayevermtb2]

85.

[@ThomasFromHome]

A few weeks ago, I was at the same stage. Specialized Levo or Trek Rail. Well, I bought the yellow one. :-)

[@emtbxl4212]

SPECIALIZED 👍

[@ThomasFromHome]

@@emtbxl4212 Nope. 😉

[@emtbxl4212]

@@ThomasFromHome Really, How do you like the Trek?

[@ThomasFromHome]

@@emtbxl4212 Well, I'm satisfied so far. Customized saddle (Sqlab 610) and handle bar (rised 60 mm). Dropper post with 130 mm by frame size XL is crap. Will be replaced when new ones are available again. One reason for the Trek was the Bosch. I was afraid, that one battery may not be enough for the kind of my tours (60 to 70 km with up to 2.000 hm), which was confirm meanwhile (36 to 55 km with 1.400 hm). So I'm happy to be able to buy a standard Bosch battery (500 or 625) as "range extender" instead some special Brose battery. By the way, the Trek is already prepared to install a headlamp. The wiring is installed. You just have to connect the headlamp to the wiring and get the light function activated by your dealer.💡

[@emtbxl4212]

@@ThomasFromHome Built in headlamp? Thats a cool feature! Enjoy your Eeb, I love my Specialized Levo. Only issue was I had to have the motor replaced at about 1200 miles (1931 km) under warranty. Be prepared as you will go through drive trains and brake pads quicker than a normal bike.

[@deanrwilson]

Great review but even if they are almost identical you choose the one that's the most reliable IMO. (Forget the color LOL) . The Brose has had reliability issues so they've extended the warranty to overcome that. It would be great if Brose could overcome their issues and if they have it's a win overall for all riders. The Brose is exclusive to Specialized so you don't have a choice. Outside of the Brose/Specialized Combo the wide world of other brands and bikes becomes available if you can't afford the extra $$$ for the Specialized. A bike that is getting rave reviews independently is the 2021 Merida E One Sixty which uses the Shimano EP8 so there is another choice. Enjoy...

[@ash4102]

Having said that I agree to part. I have a merida e160 8000, has spent a good part of its life in the shop with motor sent to shimano twice. Shimano ep8 may be a good thing but it certainly has its issues!

[@jamjar1106]

thank goodness for option to fast forward

[@cartercrackers1463]

when are you going to Summerhill?

[@bestdayevermtb2]

I really don't know. Will get there some time this summer.

[@cartercrackers1463]

@@bestdayevermtb2 Oh okay cool

[@patrickkealy4387]

All I learned was that regardless of what motor you using on your e bike it isn't much help unless you use the turbo mode to help you avoid being way out of breath at the top. One of these guys was seriously huffing and puffing trying to catch his breath. What's the bloody point in having an e bike if you don't maximize its capabilities when climbing hills?

[@bestdayevermtb2]

Thanks for your feedback. It was me puffing as I am not that fit. Both bikes were set up to deliver 100% power. I know some people noticed the levo was in the middle setting but the power output is customizable so my middle setting will give 100%. I am definitely not the sort of person to kill myself like that if I had more power available.

[@The.JZA.]

Just remember that these guys a racing to clock i.e. putting in maximum effort. If you want to be lazy and cruise to the top then you can but you'll just be much slower getting there.

[@maxtoll8290]

Looks like you had the Levi in trail mode. Was that on purpose?

[@bestdayevermtb2]

I had it in trail mode but had that set to give out up to 100%. The Trek was in EMTB mode so tried to duplicate real world riding conditions. Both bikes when ridden hard up hill will put out 100%. I tested the Bosch motor. If you change to turbo while flat out in EMTB you get no more assistance. I think it was accurate as both bikes came out with such similar times.

[@mycoolcar]

Did you try googling the specs of each motor? Might be a bit hard to make a video out of it but yeh... might answer it?

[@bestdayevermtb2]

Sounds a bit too high tech for me. I guess the exercise shows the difference isn't great. It is all about the downhill for me and given the speed limiter power becomes less important.

[@andrewcunliffe8464]

Make sure you go for Bosh motor not brose am on my 4th motor they are not reliable. Massive problems with the browse motor. Specialise think they are smart.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

Must admit I don't have that bike anymore. Did go through a couple of motors. I now have a KTM with Bosch motor.

[@ridingdeep8530]

Hah! Just pick the one you like color of most, awesome. Thanks for the great video.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

Glad you liked it.

[@markbroad119]

At the end of the day, were not competing, ride the bike you feel most comfortable on. 4 seconds matters at the Olympics not in having fun.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

Can't agree more. I think buying the bike you like with good local support is the most important.

[@aceventura8966]

Where were you riding?

[@bestdayevermtb2]

Down on Zaks farm.

[@Max-lf6hx]

Nice video! where are you guys from? Greetings from Germany

[@bestdayevermtb2]

We live in Auckland NZ. I put out a video weekly if you want to subscribe. What is the riding like in Germany?

[@fzr1000981]

Brose motor reliability is terrible compared to Bosch. May change going forward but that's the track record to date

[@bestdayevermtb2]

I would have said I agree with you 100% a few weeks back but I am now on a Bosch bike and you guessed it my motor failed after 1 month. I believe this is unusual but still annoying.

[@fzr1000981]

Water intrusion? Failures seem rare and Bosch motor service is supposedly easier to find

[@bestdayevermtb2]

@@fzr1000981I think so. Had the bike on the back of the car in heavy rain.

[@mattmcneill7510]

On the Levo, Try increasing the ‘acceleration response’ setting in mission control app... makes a huge difference in initial take off speed, I have the same bike and yours seems to be taking off a bit slow eh ??

[@bestdayevermtb2]

Thanks Matt for the feedback. It is set on 100% so maybe it is me who is sluggish?

[@Stllno]

Same gear selection?

[@bestdayevermtb2]

No. The bikes were not exactly the same but it was just a fun experiment.

[@johnnyboy1586]

I have tried out both of these bikes looking to buy an e bike.really like the levo but heard the bosh motor in the trek is more reliable.whats your take on that?

[@trevorshields7347]

Think that might be subjective. My friendchad had 3 Trek bikes and 4 motor changes. I asked why he still went for the Bosch motor. He replied by saying it gets changed under warranty no problem and on his new bike bosch has extended the warranty period

[@johnnyboy1586]

Wow,well it's good to hear that there are no problem with there back up service ☺️

[@billb7794]

I’ve had my Rail 7 since April, no issues with motor at all (knock wood!). I’ve met 4 or 5 people on the trails riding Levo’s and each one has had motor problems. I’m very happy with my decision to go with the Rail!

[@davidross8709]

@@billb7794 I had motor problems after 3400 I'm. They replaced the battery and motor and extended warranty from 2 to 4 years on motor and battery.

[@worldstallestmidget]

Were you in,turbo or trail?

[@bestdayevermtb2]

The levo was set at 50 to 100% giving it maximum power when putting in effort like this experiment. I actually changed my top setting as I found if I went to 100 100 when climbing hard it gives no increased output. I now have it at 50 50. I call it echo 2. The trek was set on EMTB setting which works in a similar way. Wanted to test the bikes how they would normally be ridden. I think it was reasonable test as both bikes came out very close.

[@emtbxl4212]

I think the Levo will perform better down hill with a mullet setup

[@bestdayevermtb2]

I must admit I haven't tried the mullet yet unless you count my specialized big hit. 26 front 24 rear.

[@Stllno]

I want an eMTB ‘that takes my effortlessly up the hill’ so I can enjoy the flat and downhill... not much fun in huffing and puffing 🥴🥴🥴

[@JoolsUK]

Bosch Vs Brose which is noisier. Bosch!!

[@jlp-mtb1391]

Who cares which one is more powerful...I care about which one is quieter. That Trek seems annoyingly loud.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

It is certainly noisier than the Levo. Always amazes me though how people don't hear you when you come up behind them. I think we are at the infancy of the sport and will look back on these days like we look back at our old bikes now.

[@michaelbertorelli2812]

REDS FASTER ! SORTED .

[@josephk.1842]

great humor!

[@mova_2020]

Run #1 not in turbo mode? And you are trying to see which is stronger? 😐😐😐 you are a genius bro

[@bestdayevermtb2]

Didn't ride either bike in turbo. The trek was in EMBT mode and the Levo in Trail set to 50 to 100%. In both these situations the bikes will put out 100% if you put a descent effort in. If you try riding up a hill like this and switch to turbo you will find no increase in power. We did test this. Given how close the bikes were in times I think it is a valid real world test. We were not looking for a theoretical difference in power but a real world test, with the bikes set up how they would typically be ridden.

[@philboynz]

Eeerrmm now I'm confused? No wait try it with a Shimano as well!

[@golddiggerdave]

Phil this will confuse you more the most reported powerful motor may not actually be the most powerful in the real world, as some manufactures report high torque figures but at a cadence lower than you will pedal, marketing BS. Rest assured ebikes are overpowered I've climbed up some massive climbs just using the eco lowest setting. I'm with Lance just pick the one you like the look of best.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

Haven't tried the new Shimano yet but would like to. Being a small you tuber it is not easy to get to try bikes some times.

[@tyrelthibault5264]

I ride my Levo with my buddies Shimano (YT Decoy 29). My Levo is way faster!

[@bestdayevermtb2]

@@tyrelthibault5264 is that the new more powerful shimano motor though? It has only just been released.

[@ozPanzer]

@@bestdayevermtb2 not the Decoy still runs the old motor. The EP8 doesn't have the outright power but that's not what ebiking is about anyways.

[@CallsItLikeISeizeIts]

The trek is noisier for sure and you can choose……..what is actually available now u fortunately

[@dionoliveira4058]

Dude just as well you have chosen for color lol......Brett clearly has more power than you do, perhaps if you had measured your individual power outputs and included that in the test you could have had something to evaluate.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

Most people have more power than me that is why I got the e bike. It always surprised me this video as I nearly didn't make it as I thought it was a bit boring climbing hills. To this date it is my most watched video at over 50 000 views!

[@dionoliveira4058]

@@bestdayevermtb2 yeah! the Title/Subject is on everyone's mind that's looking to buy an E-bikes now......choices oh choices

[@nortondlcl]

Bosch is more reliable

[@bestdayevermtb2]

I agree. Reliability is very important on an e bike. If your motor fails far from civilisation it is not funny.

[@crazybusdriver1]

Yes very reliable, I owned my 2017 Haibike Xduro Full seven and have crashed many times on it, broken handlebars, broken derailleur, broken chains, crashed on rocks, trees, cactus, bent the wheels, but the Bosh Cx just keeps going, 1500 miles and still going. As a bonus getting support from Bosh is very easy to find, I have replaced displays and control panel, ordered online and was back riding in just 5 days.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

@@crazybusdriver1 you sound like you are harder on bikes than me

[@peterisherwood2920]

You’re a funny man...I think I’ll choose the red one.😉

[@siriosstar4789]

Bosch or Brose ? Neither ,,,get a Sachs . The wattage is the same , so its the torque / Nms AND how it's distributed in the different assist levels that determines how easily and fast you will go up a hill. Bosch has a top assist in " turbo " mode of 340 % Brose has a higher assist , but i forgot the actual numbers . Sachs has 110 Nms and 380 % assist in the highest setting . I just today bought a Nox e bike with the new sachs motor and this thing has ⚾️⚾️s . I went up a pretty steep hill in a small rear sprocket and the highest assist . it flew up the hill in a very low cadence . i changed gears to a larger sprocket and it accelerated from there . i didn't test beyond that , i just ordered the bike .😂

[@bestdayevermtb2]

Had a look at the nox e bikes. Don't think they are available here in nz but they look interesting. I think the best motor is one you can backup locally for. Thanks for your feedback.

[@siriosstar4789]

@@bestdayevermtb2 Oh yes, buy locally . Nox is nothing special , i bought it because they are the only company that offers the Sachs motor , which is local for me. Bulls also offers the motor but only in one of their models . Sorry , i didn't realize you guys were from NZ . i thought you were from GB 😂 hope that's not insulting . nice channel .

[@bestdayevermtb2]

@@siriosstar4789 no all good. We make videos of riding in NZ mostly. Made it to Scotland last year.

[@enriquee.k3329]

Bosch is more powerful than

[@Goggleberry123]

very uninformative 😂 always watch your vids keep up the good work UK.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

Glad you like the videos and realise my channel is not about education but rather having some fun.

[@vapo27]

🤣 Love it!!

[@murray1961]

Can you do the same test on steam bikes please? 😂😂 Good fun is the winner..

[@bestdayevermtb2]

Yeah nah.

[@tsalesto]

I'll take whatever is matt black. LOL.

[@mistercrazyyyy]

Bulls Sonic AM :D with the bosch

[@chriskriaris2671]

My gollie molly

[@BermUnit]

Blind Study! lol

[@emtbtrailrider539]

U r pretty funny 😆

[@bestdayevermtb2]

What do you mean funny it was a very serious highly scientific experiment. 🤣🤣🤣

[@razorree]

not very useful, please remember, these are proper mountain bikes, not for MAMILs, you should compare handling and riding properties.

[@bestdayevermtb2]

Sorry you didn't find the video useful. As you can tell by the intro it was always intended as a lighthearted bit of fun. The channel does have a lot of e-bike reviews looking at handling and riding properties. Funnily enough though this is my most watched video with over 70 000 views. When I made it, I never thought that would happen.

[@creativ6663]

Turbo specialized is very poor

[@josedavalos1223]

Brose bad motors