LAND REMOVAL SERVICE! Legacy Surgical Extraction Mill with Mind Funeral and Land Denial! MTG

[@nebDDa]

“I took a break to center myself” *literally a minute later* “My opponent’s avatar looks weird and bad. This is magic online, not shapes online”

[@BoshNRoll]

You can be centered and petty.

[@nebDDa]

@@BoshNRoll absolutely, i just thought it was a funny sequence

[@shibble]

The real hideous laughter was the cards they topped decked along the way

[@Ahayzo]

I've always loved the RTR block Dimir "mill till they hit X lands" mechanic. Mind Funeral was a blast when the MDFC boltlands came out and people were jamming Charbelcher in Modern left and right trying to break it.

[@Brandon-s6j]

Fun deck, a few thoughts I had for a return to this deck are, firstly exactly what you said, instead of visions make that ponder. Secondly finding space for leyline of the void, or ashiok game ender might help with all of the graveyard looping effects in Legacy. Fun video!

[@whynot131313]

The basic swamp was the quiet killer this league

[@laurenmulligan5322]

Playing Tasha's in a Beans meta is a BOLD choice

[@zadocr675]

Mill was one of my favorite strategies when I started playing magic and I still have fond memories, but man this was brutal.

[@ecpracticesquad4674]

I remember thinking Mind Funeral was busted back when it first came out. That thought quickly passed after about 3 games with the card. The average mill rate just isn't worth the 3 mana.

[@Jordan-dg8tp]

If you wanted a fun card, especially in big mana EDH, I loved mind grind. Sure, it wasn't as "kill you" as exsanguinate or whatever, but milling each person for 20 lands after they went crazy with their cultivates always made a part of me happy.

[@rookermtg9321]

Most enjoyable 1-10 I've ever watched. :)

[@elijahlyons8164]

I forgot this was in the queue, I can't wait to watch!

[@Suds_Mc_Duff]

i cant really speak to legacy, but in modern i always had better luck being direct and aggressive with mill. Surgical Extraction is sideboard for sure. unmoored ego echoing truth is super useful. for tokens, or extracting after you bounce. basically return stuff to be extracted or unmoored ashiok nightmareweaver exiles add up real quick if she can stick around thought scour dimir charm

[@kylejohnson150]

Hey Brian! I know I havent subbed or patted yet... But I've wondered if any of the formats could effectively use burgeoning as a work around in a lands-ish package ?Thoughts? Had a ramp/control deck that used mana breach back in HS that was fun (for me lol, vs the whole table once they got a taste)

[@chillywings]

Okay hear me out. I agree with you that mind funeral is bad. Surgicalling lands doesn't make sense. What would be better that you can slot right in it's place? Unmoored ego. More expensive than surgical, but there's no conditions. You just name the card. No pesky 'has to be in the graveyard already' requirement. Game 3 against lands is a great example of this. If opp is running endurance, emrakrul, or anything else that hoses you, you can just rip it out at any time. Or just their biggest threat. You can argue it should be in the sideboard, but if you're already running 4 surgicals then why not. Having 8 extraction effects could be enough to strip the opp of win cons. And you mentioned at the end the possibility of leaning into a control strategy.. would certainly work well with that. Basically a preemptive counter once you start getting hooks in

[@EGarrett01]

31:19 Wouldn't you rather keep basic Island, use it to play Crab, then have more fetches in your hand and deck?

[@XboxTheBeatboxer]

The reason mill is a trap is that its a burn deck where you have to count to 60. But your opponent is only counting to 20.

[@sebastianraducu7850]

legacy mill with krark and trapmakers gambit or whatever it is called is a less bad deck that hits a similar spot to this

[@gameonspooky]

What was the reason not to use glimpse the unthinckable against mind funeral ? There was one or Bosh just wanted to have fun ?

[@BoshNRoll]

Like I explained in the deck tech, this was a brew sent by a supporter who specifically wanted to surgical lands to make funeral better.

[@gameonspooky]

@@BoshNRoll oh ok !!! I missed that part, thank you for the explanation, great video as always !!! Started to like Legacy because of you !!!

[@Petronio39]

I kinda like this concept, but I wish there was a deadly coverup in the list to extract basic lands. I just think that'd be funny.

[@foloed]

What a beating

[@PooptyPoptyPip]

Excellent

[@chemicals8582]

Kind of remarkable how underwhelming Tasha's was here, too. Legacy is a quicker format and people rely heavily on 1 and 2 mana spells, so you think it would be good, but it also randomly hits Force, Binding, and Draco out of one deck.

[@chuckbilly-zg1ob]

Mind Funeral.

[@mitchellcrunow7342]

we need more weird land strategies

[@mitchellcrunow7342]

I would be 4 offing encroach without a second thought

[@music00soba]

if only wizards werent cowards and functionally reprinted wasteland

[@diegojimeneztamame1646]

Shouldn't this deck be running Ghost Quarter as a way to force the opponent to search for Archive Trap?

[@chaddt]

Feels like bridge should have been main instead of side. A humbling video nonetheless.

[@derekcline950]

Mind funeraling deez... hmm... no, it just doesn't work quite like Goblin

[@BoshNRoll]

I did consider that joke when titling the video, came to the same conclusion. :(

[@Zer0LifeNegi]

Your opponent is absolutely a bad person for opening hand with 4 LEDs and playing a Bowmasters combo deck. Also it's wild that you have to choose a target in a graveyard, and MTGO doesn't actually target it as part of the spell effect. That's a huge issue with the game UI, not your fault.

[@Andre-fm1zy]

❤

[@MortenMoellMusic]

There's a Remy song for this: "Decksperado"

[@Tcrosse]

Your fans are trolling you, anyone submitting Tasha’s and mind funeral wants to see you in passing

[@shizzlenizzle27]

Fun fact about this deck in modern: when you play a deck that "loses to mill but who plays mill" - You always play against mill

[@CharlotteMimic]

This is facts

[@PurpleDragonSpike]

I will say that mill has gotten many more good tools over the last few years than it ever used to have! Tasha's and the new Jace are pretty neat lol

[@StoneAgeDudemanGaming]

​@@PurpleDragonSpike I've been playing mill since I started in gatecrash. It's unplayable in my local meta ~50mile radius, because everyone is on some flavor of 'needs endurance'.

[@jolssoni2499]

"I'd play that deck too if I drew like that" is a thought that occurs to me on a weekly basis.

[@CharlotteMimic]

In this episode, Brian descends into madness. And then pulls himself together to provide an excellent postmortem deck review.

[@Frommerman]

I love how you played mill and immediately queued into an 80 card deck and the deck with 4 maindeck flashback timetwisters. Sounds about right for the MODO pairing algorithm.

[@NINtastisch]

and then the deck with 12 drops and then the decks which wants to play big spells for beanstalk plays uro. So all in all, Legacy is not a good meta for a mill deck right now.

[@Andre-fm1zy]

@@NINtastisch I guess it all depends on the cards you play. helm mill works amazing in legacy xD

[@rastrisfrustreslosgomez544]

hahahahaha that is funny but considering the sheer amount of stuff mill loses to I guess it's likely

[@julioazevedo8488]

​@@Andre-fm1zy helm of obedience? Bro that's a combo deck, not a mill deck

[@Andre-fm1zy]

@@julioazevedo8488 it mills so its a mill deck lol

[@matthewbeard7841]

Say whatever you want about the efficacy of Mill decks in Magic, but cards that mill like Mind Funeral and a good many others will be permanently etched into my brain for how amazing their art is to me!

[@GGun1t]

Can’t lie, the episodes where Bosh is tilted af are my favorite 😂 Never change, man, we’ve all been there!

[@ChadZeluff]

Chapin once said, “Half the decks that I build are TERRIBLE, and I make a LOT of decks.” Every now and then, it’s important to see deck building and theory crafting stumble :)

[@Cake_Mx]

The problem with Visions of Beyond is that it doesn't combo with Tasha's, which is one of the best spells in this deck. Makes me sad, but cutting it certainly seems right.

[@ncarranza2]

The "one-liners" you give when losing are my favorite. I would prefer to see you win, hate to see you lose... But I'm still having a good time.

[@Reversespacehippie]

Obligatory algorithmic contribution

[@muphinnp]

This might be a world record for unfortunate called shots

[@rugerek]

I am commenting on this video because it makes the algorithm do stuff and things

[@Belsthar]

Things I always wanted: mind funeral to be good.

[@Swoodivarius]

When I first started playing magic i gravitated towards modern mill thinking it was such a cool unique archetype and would annoy my opponents. The list was almost identical to this one. I got wallopped in every game and never touched it again. Hoping our hero can steal some games!

[@asw654]

Unfortunately, mill has almost always been bad, and we just got a reminder. Everyone here keeps saying he got bad matchups, but the truth of the matter is that they were pretty mundane matchups and the pacing was reasonable. He had plenty of time to execute and mill just wasn't fast enough.

[@aquablue3dsi]

All it takes is one bad League to become the Joker

[@AbstractMarcher]

Definitely appreciate the brutal league showcase. Fractured sanity is the triple blue spell you were thinking of. Ponder would be infinitely better. Running preordain has done wonders since it has been unbanned. Visions always was a liability for mill in a lot of respects. Extirpate could be better than surgical. Especially with split second. Would running leyline of the void or splash white for rest in peace be better to make this more viable and give it a solid chance against the graveyard shenanigans of legacy? I tried to make mill work years ago before the printing of a lot of the mill staples we have nowadays. Mine was trying to shove mill in with LOTV and Energy Field, along with painter combo. Appreciate the video Bosh. Great insight.

[@Interesting_Failure]

I don't wanna grow up, I wanna play dumb jank forever! > continues losing

[@Jordan-dg8tp]

The way to be sad much less often in MtG is to not play spells that look at opponent's hands. Because you KNOW they had absolutely nothing and there is nothing to fear, and then they draw about as hot as the sun every to every other draw step and you are FUMING that if they drew them in the opposite order that the games would be miles different.

[@GaryAsphodel]

Ugh I LOVE mind funeral! One of my favorite first cards back in the day

[@music00soba]

bosh pack smoke em if youre crabby (im crabby because i had a nightmare and didnt sleep much)

[@jeffswetlikoe2469]

Hope you sleep better tomorrow

[@chrischerubini7766]

i dunno what you're playing brian this has been shapes online for years

[@infamousgerald]

Tashas hideous laughter. I love this channel

[@toast_recon]

It's probably horrendous but this deck makes me want to see mission briefing mill. Mill has a serious wrong-half problem and 2 mana to archive trap or surgical, 3 mana to ancestral recall can be nice

[@nealcrabtree3647]

Hopefully this league used all of your bad luck.

[@BoshNRoll]

Trophy league drops tomorrow to cleanse the palate

[@testplayer123]

This is magic online, not shapes online :D - I love this channel

[@jaggededge11]

With Painter and Helm combos already established as meta decks, I fail to see why you'd opt to go for a more controlling build with regular mill (As those decks will guarantee a deck-out when they go off). Rather, the deck does need more ways to mill the opponent (Though should have access to 4 Force and 4 Drown as forms of interaction). The fundamental flaw of this deck really does boil down to a matter of numbers. 1. Mind Funeral is only good when expecting low land metas (Or something like Beltcher or Manaless Dredge). Say you play it on turn 3 against an opponent who has a 17 land deck (With 3 already in play/hand), you still expect to see a land every ~3.5 cards. So on average, you are only expecting 14 cards (And taking out 4 lands from the opponent's deck is likely to be a boon after their 3rd land drop). 2. Tasha's is only good in low CMC metas (Ones that don't run Beans, Scion of Draco or Reanimator targets). Right now, it's better off being relegated to the sideboard (If played at all) if you are expecting a lot land based decks. If the average CMC of a deck is 1.5, you are only expected to hit 14 cards. It also ends up being a nonbo with Visions of Beyond and Drown. 3. Fractured Sanity is the best option for mill as it's on rate all of the time, while also having the ability to be cycled (Which can definitely come in handy against Brainstorm/Ponder stacking).

[@dalemackenzie4320]

I'm truly flabbergasted you're not running Leyline of the Void in the 75. In modern you can easily get away with Surgical Extraction and maybe a couple Extirpates, but in legacy there's just way too many decks that have way too many cards in their deck that hold high value in the bin too. Also Visions of Beyond seems like a pretty bad card for legacy. There seemed to be so few times when you were actually able to get the 3 draw, with all the manipulation available through Flashbacks, Uro, Echo of Aeons, etc. just saying **no** to having a graveyard. Probably just better off swapping out for some Ponders

[@joshbkaufman]

Oh and it’s mill. Why isn’t there 4 2cmc counters/creature kill spells? At the same time, and it’s been 8 months, but this era was terrible for Mill. Wasn’t Yurion 7 color mental health problems a legit deck?

[@grandarchon6969]

At the end when discussing alternatives, would an option just be to build a full B/U control deck, then throw in helm combo? Just full control, draw cards, 1 for 1's, and eventually we find the 2 card combo to mill out? Or maybe a back to basics JTMS shell? Wouldn't be a very fun league, and if you probably just run out of gas against beans decks...

[@85mcarnold]

Honestly, if we’re playing Legacy Mill then why aren’t we playing 4x Brain Freeze? With all the free spells and one CMC spells it’s very easy to enable a Freeze for 9. And then there’s double Brain Freeze turns. Finally, we can just blow out opposing storm decks with the right timing.

[@XboxTheBeatboxer]

This attacking lands thing was never going to work. Not even possibly. Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver would give game against midrange and Bowmasters strategies. Eventually, you can reanimate bigger things (like a milled Grief or even an Atraxa). And if they are attacking Ashiok, you are stalling for the mill spells to work. The list should have been reworked before you ran it.

[@MateusVerde]

The salt is strong with this one. Would enjoy seeing a more reasonable aproach to mill in legacy.

[@hayokamikaze5896]

It’s very funny seeing Tasha’s being mid in regular 60 card formats when it’s bannably good inbTiny Leaders. Turns out not being able to run into Force of Will or whatever makes the card a lot better.

[@Blacksunstoneful]

The only deck you can reliably beat with this strat is 12post because like tron if you surgical a land it literally cannot function and once you surgical prime time or emrakul its game over, as you will mill them out completely before they can get the 10+ land drops to start casting ulamogs, especially when cloudpost is gone and vesuva is a tapped forest

[@nr.12]

Not sure if this makes sense, but couldn't you mill yourself with one of those crabs to "shuffle" your brainstorm (e.g. 41:45)? or would you rather draw duds than forgo milling in any case?

[@omenofthephoenix]

Interesting to note (or not idk), the 4th round opponent (bant beanstalk domain trip uro) boarded up to 66 cards. Kinda interested in the mentality behind that, apart from the obvious: more cards, harder mill.

[@firedrake110]

If you're going to play a wacky mill deckmuncher strat, replace mind funeral with sadistic sacrament and just take the three most painful cards out of their deck instead lolol

[@TheForbiddenDance]

You played mill but the deck wanted to be legacy control to do the extraction thing. Opponents are going to fetch and you can theoretically lock them out still the way the contributor wanted while still playing a real deck.

[@mus0u]

i imagine this wouldn't have been quite so awful if it was being played in the old metagame when delver and turbo depths were everywhere. but i'm still not sure it would be good.

[@kylejohnson150]

Havent kept up on whats legal in what - but why no field of ruin or ghost quarter to help with archive trap / surgical those nonbasics ?

[@scottsena2897]

I run 4 Bojuka Bog. It's almost uncountable, only Stifle effects save you from it.

[@loganowens623]

wtf kind of hand was that in round 1 game 1... spew all four LEDs onto the table, not like this

[@maxzakh]

Mill itself isn't good but shuffling a ton of land back in is, just have to exile the good cards.

[@elijahlyons8164]

maybe more exile cards are encessary for this deck, im only in game 1 but ive read the comments

[@Doormau5719]

One time, I stubbed my toe and in the pain smacked my hand into the corner of table all because I was trying to get my coffee, which then spilled from hitting the table. And yet, the pain from that cavalcade was nothing compared to the pain of watching this league...

[@mpepp9]

This league made me tilt and I wasn’t even the one having to deal with the bullshitt

[@p1k4nurxp13sr]

What a hilariously bad league

[@rastrisfrustreslosgomez544]

what a funny league. I guess when the deck relies so hard on rng it makes the highs higher and the lows lower

[@MrScourge42]

Necromentia does what this whole deck wants to do and it's just 1 card.

[@elijahlyons8164]

Im sorry i put you through thisXD

[@gabrote42]

I never see those matchups except when you play this. SO weird. Mill is much better in games like Heartstone clones, because if you can pull ahead on resources, or your opponent is draw heavy (which is cheap there), you can use symetrical card draw to make them mill (If you draw a card when you have 7 cards in hand, that card is exiled), a lot of decks rely on rare one-ofs (Legendary cards) that you have a 1 in 25 chance to hit with every card milled, if you are fast enough they either can't put creatures into play, or the ones that they do play do nothing/fill board slots that your Mill creatures can attack, etc. Magic is just not a game where you can mill reliably. I'm saying this as someone who only played Yu-Gi-Oh! and a hearthstone close called Undercards. The only deck I published for that one was a Mill Stall deck that abused "spend all your resource each turn) bonuses and discounts to fill the board with overstats, removal on legs, and milled the opponent out as a win condition (because I had more bodies than the maximum amount of removal they could play, but not enough to get them to 0). The downside is that Mill doesn't kill them at once, just deals "Times you drew from an empty deck" in damage, including this one.

[@asw654]

More importantly, disruption is almost non-existent in Hearthstone. In MTG, other players can pyroblast your crabs or tasha's/mind funerals. Also, tbh, those kinds of matchups are not that rare. They're almost as common as quotes I hear like, "Why do I always run into Endurance/Echo/Yorion/etc when I play my mill?"

[@xZipkan]

Saw Mind Funeral as the thumbnail and couldn't click fast enough, one of my favorites

[@pao2cute]

Thanks bro Now i can have my Modern Mill deck to Legacy format now

[@ZaphodBeeblebrox-sy8ey]

Did... did you actually watch the video???

[@joshsmith529]

Brainstorm?

[@danielkings2443]

As horribly as the results were this league, taking delver's volcanics in concept sounds awesome.

[@demonflame900]

What dragon was he talking about at 4:18?

[@gius8068]

Runehorn Hellkite, it saw fringe play a year ago or so in a wheel combo deck. It has an ability where you exile it from your graveyard and pay 6 mana to do wheel of fortune, and since it's an ability it gets around counterspell.

[@demonflame900]

@@gius8068Neat! Thank you!

[@parisnelson8764]

Hate seeing bosh lose, but love seeing mill be as terrible as it is. Honestly though, commentary this league was truly fantastic, both the incredulous parts and the professional parts. Thanks for the content.

[@dog1783]

The legendary tilted mill run 😂

[@John_Doe742]

By god, this was a real nail biter

[@Andre-fm1zy]

i think orb, the one mana black tutor and Ashiok are kinda essential for mill. or the 2mana mill 10 cards instead of the other one you played for 3mana milling 5cards...

[@ecpracticesquad4674]

Ashiok and Mill Jace

[@radradder]

Legacy mill is possible: it's called Helm of Obedience

[@taranweeks4393]

6:55 why not hit their echoes instead of cabal therapy? With their lions eye diamonds ready to rip, seems like the play to me?

[@kevinmcgee8944]

The echos are in exile, cabal therapy is the only thing in the graveyard when he casts surgical.

[@BoshNRoll]

The only card in the graveyard is Cabal Therapy and they’re about to cast it for free if I pass priority. The play you’re suggesting doesn’t exist.

[@taranweeks4393]

Oooo, right, flashback! I was looking at the exile pile! 🤪

[@radradder]

This is some of the worse playing I have seen in a long time. The video is funny

[@joshbkaufman]

At the 2nd modern SCG tournament I brought a version of mill and worked on it for a long time. My first version was based entirely around Archive Trap along with 4 surgical and 4 extirpates. I’ve worked on this deck since then because simple move: When a new set comes out, play mill. (As people figure out new decks, mill becomes tier 1) You lost the game as soon as you went for the mill win rather than the slow win. You should have cast the T-Seize before Tasha’s. And this was a while ago, but you don’t ever need Mind Funeral. 3cmc is too much.

[@alexvalentim1418]

This deck should be called ORGASMATRON because it makes me rock hard (sorry for being so direct)