Bosnia's Dual Crises... could they destroy the country?

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Bosnia is in a difficult place right now - currently going through two major (but separate crises) both of which attempt to tear the country in two. So in this video we'll explain Bosnia's conflicting crises & if the country is likely to split
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[@napoleonibonaparte7198]

Bosnia: If Switzerland was chaotic.

[@RealRussellJones86]

Not just chaotic but chaotic neutral.

[@f7dvic812]

Switzerland could ironically be a good model for Bosnia, considering similar size, geography and ethnic shares.

[@Fabrissable]

If everyone at Switzerland lost their freaking minds and French part wanted to secede.

[@ObliviAce]

Fun fact: the biggest ethnic group besides French, germans, italians and romansh people in Switzerland are Serbo-Croatians (the ethnic group the serbs, croats and bosnians are part of)

[@Eugensson]

Bosnia: If Belgium was a Balkan state

[@spaghettiisyummy.3623]

As a Bosnian, here's a Spoiler: The People here are too Old to fight a war, since all the Young People left.

[@banano24]

If we dont have another war, which we definetly will, bosnia is gonna colapse simply cuz theres to many old people

[@spaghettiisyummy.3623]

@@banano24 There won't be a war. No one's here to fight it. No one really cares about our Goverment. Eastern Europe is depressing sometimes.

[@wiryantirta]

Babushkas with AKs on street duels. Fuck yes.

[@malcolm5514]

I sure fucking hope you're right. I don't think my sanity could take another war caused by you people.

[@emps8992]

@@wiryantirta we are not eastern slavs. We don't call them babushkas

[@IvanPrskalo]

I wouldn't say that Bosnia & Herzegovina functions "remarkably well." Far form that. BiH is frozen in time and needs complete overhaul.

[@banano24]

Yea were fucked Idk why theyre trying to keep it the same for the last 30 years its like leaving an egg in the microwave its gonna explode eventualy

[@pau8727]

Neither would I call this "well" at all

[@humorpalanta]

@@banano24 Because the state is a fucking live grenade. Leave it there, cover it up with something, nothing is gonna happen. Try to do something about it, there is a very likely chance it will blow up. And noone wants to see that. The current Bosnia Herzegovina is a sort of safe card for peace. Balkan people cannot be trusted that they can sort out an issue without a massacre and genocide. (Pls note I am a Hungarian citizen and I consider us Balkan, too). The problem is that Serbs are pushing in Bosnia and in Kosovo as well and a war is closer by the day. And if that starts then the whole Balkans will be at it, again. I know it is weird. I know Bosnia Herzegovina is far from optimal. I know having a not elected representative (sort of dictator) sucks. But this status quo is the guarantee for peace.

[@seneca983]

It's well compared to a civil war.

[@antoniochiodi4183]

They should just separate it already before they have another Civil War and another 200k people die… no point in keep pushing for its continued existence as a united country when it’s own people hate each other to death, refuse to be called the same thing/identify as the same nation, refuse to let go of the past, and don’t wanna live together in peace.

[@nickmacarius3012]

I wouldn't say that Bosnia & Herzegovina functions "incredibly well." The Dayton Accords have literally frozen society in B&H for the past 30 years, unemployment has always been incredibly high, massive poverty and corruption, and the political process has been deadlocked. Sure, there has been peace, but at what cost? This was a country that once hosted the Olympics, but now it can hardly organize transportation. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Serbo-Greek]

Correct. That was a temporary solution. Serbs have to be Serbs in Serbia. But that would make Serbia a regular country, that West do not like. As long as West is ruling the world, the region in Bosnia will live in poverty and sadness. Like it was the case for 30 years as you said.

[@easytiger6570]

Olympics isn't something admirable

[@20quid]

I guess the question becomes; what are the alternatives? And are any of them realistic or practical given the diverging interest groups?

[@luisandrade2254]

I doubt the economic situation would have been better without peace but yea this system needs reform

[@henrybn14ar]

The last place in Europe where steam locomotives are in constant use.

[@McOxigen]

"Low crime rates"? We don't have enough people to commit those crimes.

[@Daisy_human]

They are adjusted to reflect the size of the population

[@McOxigen]

@@Daisy_human that was sarcastic, a lot of our people leave for other countries is the joke here hehe

[@Dotalol123]

Don't forget there is nothing to steal and people who are not poor are close with government and have their own private armies

[@XXx-mk8dk]

Even compared to Yugoslavia all type of crime except small teft are lower. Compared to other countries is very safe.

[@eatinsomtin9984]

@@McOxigen yeah like you

[@BalkanReport]

As an Albanian i would say our Balkan lives are never boring, allways is happening smthg that could lead to war. Keeping up the European spirit of war.

[@anitagorse9204]

The rest of Europe would be grateful for timeout. 😄

[@BalkanReport]

@@anitagorse9204 lol Nah you guys are getting too soft 😂 Did you forget who your grandfathers where?!! (me typing this while I live in London 😅)

[@anitagorse9204]

@@BalkanReport 🤣 Yeah, it gets somehow boring without everybody clawing at everybody else's throat.

[@BalkanReport]

@@anitagorse9204 maybe if we where part of the EU union and we could travel free we wouldnt fight for borders every chance we get. Just sayin 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@asdasdasd9320]

I mean what would Europe be without the Balkans? Lmao

[@zloinaopako]

The population percentages you presented refer to the Federation entity not the entire BiH. Wikipedia:”According to data from the 2013 census published by the Agency for Statistics of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bosniaks constitute 50.1% of the population, Serbs 30.8%, Croats 15.5% and others 2.7%, with the remaining respondents not declaring their ethnicity or not answering.”

[@DedicatedCaffeineUser]

That makes more sense given the territory of Republic Srpska. I thought it was pretty odd that Serbs made up 2% of the country and had so much territory allocated to them.

[@tarik6990]

Even in 2013 those percentage figures were already incorrect and have changed quite a bit since.

[@maten146]

We understood, of course it is only about the federation. He was talking about elections inside the federation, so he won't talk about the ethnic groups that don't vote inside the federation, that's logical

[@attsealevel]

Idiocy never ceases to amaze. That every comment on this thread defers to Blago's complete misintrepretration is the very reason tense situations around the globe will only continue to exacerbate.

[@VGYugo]

@@DedicatedCaffeineUser He said that Bosnia and Herzegovina is split into 2 entities. Republika Srpska, Serb dominated region and Federation of 10 so called cantons. this Federation of cantons is mostly comprised of Bosniaks (Muslims) who account for 70 % of population and Croats (Catholics) accounting for 22% and Serbs (Orthodox) accounting for 2 %. He did not talk about the percentage of Serbs and others in Republika Srpska. However, i believe this is only country with the land mass bigger then 100 %. Republika Srpska 49% Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina 51% and Brcko district (belongs to all 3 sides) 1%. This counts as about 101%. This was definitely forced marriage by the west which is now slowly dissolving. Hopefully people are realizing that it is all due to extremely corrupt government and nothing more.

[@stojanhansen3782]

Those demographic figures are misleading, Serbs are 2% of the population in the cantons but in the whole of Bosnia it’s 30%

[@xyeB]

34% now but thanks for correction

[@bennymuller3379]

Is there a Balkans challenge going on? Testing how many times you can Split up countries until they stop functioning

[@RafaelW8]

Just nuke the whole area already. Build some malls and McDonald's afterwards.

[@obscureorca]

Yeah there is you are right. Except its the major power who are testing it, not the balkan countries

[@ellied.violet7372]

Soon the Balkan will look like medieval Germany (I know it wasn't called Germany, just pointing out to the geographical region) which was one giant carpet of tiny countries. Edit typo

[@kostam.1113]

All that fragmentation is fueled primary by foreign powers

[@whitezombie10]

The west tried to keep a big area together with Yugoslavia. It's the balkan people who are doing this

[@afterought6275]

We in the Balkans will split into city states, just like in ancient Greece. Apparently that is the only way. Ironically, we all speak the same language, have pretty much the same genes and simiral mentality, yet we want to split into atoms.

[@djpunisha29]

hahhaah, true!!!!

[@acctsys]

I can only see this as a good thing. Peaceful city states should form defense pacts to keep warlords in check.

[@whitezombie10]

I don't think you will go that far. If the borders were adjusted a little we wouldn't have these situations anymore

[@MalaSanchy01]

Well said

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

indonesia watching with hundreds of different culture and languages: edit: and thousands of islands.

[@LH9479]

Thanks for this video. I noticed a couple weeks ago when I saw the protests in the news how uneducated I am on BiH. I honestly could not believe that the former agriculture minister of Germany (who I think is also an idiot), now has quasi dictatorial powers in BiH. Like... How can you be a democrat and think this is an ok position to exist?

[@XXx-mk8dk]

If he does not do anything, is he a dictator or not?

[@dinodelic630]

He doesen't have unlimeted power. Any authorial desision made by the High Representitiv can be leagely double checked. Firstly by the Constitutional Court of Bosnia and Hercegovina, and secondly by the Europien Cort for Humen Rights, located in Strasbourg, if you are unsetesfied with the decision made by the Constitutional Court of Bosnia and Hercegovina. Sorry if a made some spelling mistakes, Englisch is not my native Language.

[@PrivateSi]

Same old cyclical madness as usual.. antinational globalists or their antinational regionalist/localist henchmen take over, get greedy while mass invading places with former enemies.. Many actually believe this is the route to WORLD PEACE!... Libby Luvvy La La Lander DELUSION that is asking for trouble.. Local democracy can work for a while but uber-forces always take over and polarisation is guaranteed as all sides uses it.

[@swazzercool9060]

That’s like the least problematic problem, that guy can at least make decisions since there’s no other way for us to do decisions

[@fulconandroadcone9488]

That idiot is the only thing that keeps other idiots in some what of a check

I cannot stress enough how brutally you butchered Dragan Čović's surname...

[@Katakuri39162]

Đragan Kovik 😂😂😂

[@krin8831]

Kovik :D

[@TheDude-lr6mb]

Ko mu je kriv što se preziva Čović 😂

[@XXx-mk8dk]

Try to say Chovich

[@ceroid3752]

@@XXx-mk8dk The sound at the end is not a ch, it's a ć. Ch would be a č.

[@turtlenecksarepoggers]

Is it just me, or is it incredibly stupid that one, they are fine with giving all power to someone from the UN, and two having a political system that is designed in the way that there are essentially 3 different entities, each with their own ethnicity to represent, and each with their own very different opinions and ideals, and then you have them try and unite under one of those previously mentioned opinions. I mean, it is a recipe for disaster when you include the fact that those ethnicities are Serbs, Croats, and Bosniaks. At this point they are three different countries fighting over literally everything. Oh yeah, did I forget the fact that this is a Balkan country?

[@navisolim]

It was fine until the high representative made the bosniaks able to wote for the croat candidate since then everything went down hill and now the croats only want what was taken from them.

[@mdza]

You are absolutely right, but only one representative out of three wants to oust the HR. And thats Milorad Dodik. RS does not even implement what HR says, we just ignore it.

[@drscopeify]

The problem is that otherwise there is a risk of Russia interfering on purpose in order to cause trouble. The problem is that EU and UN actually care about making sure there is peace while Russia only wants to choose one side and trigger violence, war and death. Every single time Russia gets involved there is war, Syria, Lebanon, Georgia, Ukraine, African wars, Cuba, Afghanistan, the list is so long....

[@mdza]

@@drscopeify holy hell as if USA isn’t to blame for 99% of wars in the world INCLUDING Bosnia and all other Yugoslav wars with their “democracy implementation”.

[@banano24]

Yea i mean its almost as if they want a war again. Wait a second....

[@Im_too_old_for_this_shit]

It's actually very easy to understand. Divide of Bosnia is just the last phase of the fall of Yugoslavia. The reason why Bosnia remained in one piece for so long is because it has a colonial governor, but every forced solution comes to an end eventually and things naturally fall apart if there isn't enough internal cohesion.

[@JeffHardy169b]

Yeah but the difference between Yugo and Bosnia is that Bosnia has existed for more or less 1,000 years.. border changes, yes, but it doesn’t take away from that fact. I get the point you’re trying to make but I feel like the case in Bosnia is much much different than with yugo.

[@xdinoify]

@@JeffHardy169byes but it is part of it, the colonial empires shutting down socialism

[@davorbajlovic3136]

@@JeffHardy169b Yes it existed as a Croatian state.

[@boombang857]

Croatia, historically a region governed by foreign monarchs, achieved full sovereign status as a country for the first time in 1991, barring its period as a puppet state during the Nazi era. In contrast, Serbia and Montenegro have experienced statehood in the modern era, with Serbia boasting a history of its own monarchy and empire. Therefore, it is inaccurate to describe Bosnia as a Croatian state, as Croatia itself was predominantly a region under foreign dominion, including Serbian rule.@@davorbajlovic3136

[@SerbAtheist]

@@JeffHardy169b In the Medieval Era Bosnia existed as a medieval state in roughly the territory of today's central Bosnia, while the eastern part of Bosnia was part of the Serbian medieval state and western and northern parts mostly belonged to either Croatia or Hungary. Then it 'existed' as an arbitrarily drawn up territory of an occupying force for several centuries, after which it was an occupied territory of ANOTHER occupying force for several more decades. Then after WWI it emphatically ceased to exist within the Kingdom of SHS, later Yugoslavia. Then after WWII, the 'Republic of Bosnia' became the re-incarnated creation of a communist dictatorship bent on purposely gerrymandering Serbs away into as many units as possible ('Weak Serbia, strong Yugoslavia' was the motto). Then finally, in it was, in it's 'republic' form, briefly an independent country by having two ethnicities illegally outvote the third ethnicity to conduct an illegal referendum on independence, which even as such failed to produce the necessary 2/3 voter turnout for it to be valid after which independence was illegally proclaimed. Afterwards, the Serb side was literally forced at gunpoint, nay 'bombpoint', to be part of this country where ever since even it's guaranteed autonomy was brutally stripped off at every possible chance. The Serbs want out, and we can play this waiting game far longer than some neo-liberal western political hacks.

[@marshalbali]

Great! I recommended this video a few weeks ago. Thank you TLDR!

[@carlinthomas9482]

It might just be best to have the Croat parts join Croatia, Srpska can join Serbia, and the Bosnians can have an independent state or become an autonomous zone of Croatia.

[@universalconquest4447]

Facts. I don't know why they're making it so complicated.

[@davorbajlovic3136]

Shit, we dont want a "bosnian autonomous zone"! Let the Serbs deal with that national security problem! We dont want it.

[@davorinrusevljan6440]

Well, you have missed that constitutional court has ruled current election laws as unconstitutional, and asked for changes how Croatian representative is elected. So change is required to comply with Dayton based constitution. So Croatians are not asking for change of Dayton, but for enacting it in practice. Also in this case high representative is acting to stop illegal practice that undermines constitutional foundations of BiH.

[@MalaSanchy01]

Wrong, the constitutional court already struck down the provisions in the election law that were unconstitutional, so they are already erased from the election law. That means ruling Ljubic has been implemented. The only thing Croats want with this election law change is to keep the same (or more) amount of power that they had thus far, without taking into account the demographic changes, ie. that they are moving to become a minority. And with their desired election change (which OHR seems to be likely to give them), they want to cement their power irregardless of how many (or how few) of Croats are left living in the country in the future.

[@geewee1geewee197]

@@MalaSanchy01 he is absolutely right.

[@MalaSanchy01]

@@ivolackovic8692 yeah, nice argument "fake news!!!111!". Got anything better, like facts?

[@miroslav8866]

@@MalaSanchy01 the facts are clearly written in Davorins original comment

[@PrivateSi]

This channel's vids are always shallow, very biased and poorly written.. Phrases such as 'was the least worst solution at the time' when talking about the ridiculously antinational system of rule forced on the nation(s).. It's a GLOBALIST PROPAGANDA and Apologist Preacher channel.. sinister.

[@zachryder3150]

Hey, hey I've seen this one. I've seen this one. This is a classic!

[@KhaalixD]

Great video!

[@plainText384]

Denying genocide is probably among the worst thing you can do imo. Like there's this giant group of people that was brutally murdered for no reason and your just going to tell their relatives it never happened? If we forget history, we are bound to repeat it and genocide should never be forgotten or repeated.

[@MsRainingDays]

I think denying genocides is the standard thing to do unfortunately. Did US apologize or admit the genocide of native Americans? Does UK speak freely about any of the many British genocides?

[@ricoanderson6626]

@@MsRainingDays Did the U.S apologize? Yes. Literally all the time. Even has a semi-autonomous chunk of territory dedicated to them as compensation.

[@MsRainingDays]

@@ricoanderson6626 haha what a joke

[@ricoanderson6626]

@@MsRainingDays It's about as far from ignoring/denying as it gets.

[@MsRainingDays]

@@ricoanderson6626 have you heard of a small country called Germany. I'm not saying they absolutely aced their apology, their national guilt and ultimately their lesson. But we're talking about different leagues here.

[@flair500]

Croatian politician is not a Russian fan, Croatian party is only one advocating strongly for BiH to join EU.

[@SimpleGraffiti.]

Yes, for Croatian politics in B&H it is only way - EU integrations

[@satyr0pan]

I'm sorry to say that you've misunderstood the middle, or entity-level of government. The Federation is not merely a federation of cantons (the name "Federation" comes from the 1994 Washington Agreement which ended the Bosniak-Croat conflict and envisioned a federalized country without the Republika Srpska; parts of this agreement were later incorporated into the Dayton Agreement, namely the cantons, but only on half of the country's territory). Cantons are sub-units of the Federation of BiH, which is one of the two entities comprising BiH. Now, entities are quite important for our daily lives and not merely simbolic. Entity-level institutions are in charge of direct taxation, energy, mining and industry, agriculture, water-management and forestry, environment protection and spatial planning, labour and social welfare policies, refugees and displaced persons, tourism and trade. The Republika Srpska is centralized, so it also handles competencies like education and healthcare on the entity level, while some of these competencies in the Federation of BiH are in cantons and others are shared with the FBiH. For example, even though cantons are in charge of healthcare, the FBiH Public Health Institute was in charge of leading and coordinating the COVID response.

[@johnc2438]

"It you aren't confused, you really don't understand the situation." -- Edward R Murrow.

[@the_infinity_channel]

Bosnia is complicated in all ways...

[@hrvojelasic5794]

Croatian representative is elected by Muslims and does not really represent the Croatian people. So, please don't refer to him as a Croat representative.

[@dakedakinson64]

No, Croatian government just want yes man from its puppet party to be on his place.

[@ToastieBRRRN]

So essentially they're a puppet representative? Giving a false façade.

[@invictor2761]

stop being islamaphobic

[@MalaSanchy01]

He is a representative of the people who voted for him, while ethnically being a Croat. Read the Bosnian constitution, there is no saying that the members of Presidency of BiH must be representatives of that same ethnicity, just that the members of the Presidency must come from the 3 ethnic groups. Working as intended. I know you would like exclusivity in this regard, but for this you must change the election law and/or constitution. The constitution is already discriminatory for all citizens who do not identify as one of the 3 ethnic groups; so why should Croat pleads for exclusivity be any more valid or have a higher priority than us, non-ethnic citizens of Bosnia?

[@bilic8094]

@@MalaSanchy01 Cut the nonsense komsic is a fake Croatian representative so the Bosniaks basically have two out of three representatives for themselves and it's going on almost 15 years that the Croats in BiH haven't had a representative those are facts.

[@rajbaniwal3236]

Such unbiased journalism is hard to find. Thanks for the report, much appreciated. Love from India 🇮🇳

[@haristhebosniaklion8584]

You do know that thousands and thousands of Bosniak women and young girls were very unlucky during that aggression on Bosnia,right????

[@rajbaniwal3236]

@@haristhebosniaklion8584 Wars are rarely known to leave a good aftertaste.

[@lordgong4980]

you know looking at the Balkans really makes you appreciate wherever your from

[@annurissimo1082]

The Balkans :(

[@OGrandomunknownperson]

@@annurissimo1082 idk y i subbed to you

[@carkawalakhatulistiwa]

@@annurissimo1082 we from Palestine

[@hosseinramez3293]

Lol NO

[@pietrosavastano507]

In the balkans if you have a nice salary( and you can have it easily if you are smart and hardworking guy) its 200x better to live, then the lonely hellhole you are living now. In the balkans you have better nature, people is more warm and outgoing, you hang out almost everyday, and seacoast is like 3 hours driving, you can every weekend enjoy beautiful Adriatic sea.

[@MssIAMNOBODYSPECIAL]

The main thing I learned from this video is how confusing bosnian's political system is. I guess I'll watch it again, and again... and again

[@emrecanarduc4378]

Even bosniaks do not understand it so do not be harsh with yourself:DD

[@northernstar4811]

@@emrecanarduc4378 The Bosniak muslims signed up for it with everyone else.

[@emrecanarduc4378]

@@northernstar4811 i was talking about common bosniak not politicians

[@northernstar4811]

@@emrecanarduc4378 The politicians were voted in by the people to represent them.

[@emrecanarduc4378]

@@northernstar4811 do you know what everything going on in your country? Every detail of new agreements? Even if us do it doesnt mean we are the majority.%85-95 of common people just do not care or simply cant understand these stuff

[@Weeboslav]

There's 3 big reasons why's there a political crises 1. Popularity of ruling parties is dropping like insane,for 25 years they did nothing but still talk about past. People is getting poorer by the minute while politicians are getting richer and richer every day. 2. Defeat of Montenegrin ruling party(dps) that has been ravaging country for 30 freaking years has shown them(politicians)that their power is fragile,that democracy that their mouth is full of(although they would cancel it if they could)is their bane 3. Elections are coming(I think in October of this year,correct me if I'm wrong) and on previous regional elections bot dodik's party and izetbegovic's party lost in Banja Luka and Sarajevo respectively(new major of Banja Luka is like 28 years old now) Thing is,I don't thing RS will secede from BnH for many reasons(number 1 being it would be less functional than North Korea)and chance of new war is even lower,I see it in comments of all 3 constitutional people,no one wants round 2,especially no one want's to die for the pockets of the politicians.

[@tech6985]

4. its the balkans

[@dragonrykr]

Even worse is the fact that after DPS fell, we got two governments in Montenegro which merely continued DPS' most infamous practices, and even amplified them (corruption, nepotism, hiring people by party lines), coupled with the increase of church influence on the society.

[@pepperonish]

4. Poverty. People who make good money don't care about ethnic identity bullshit. It's what people scapegoat when they are struggling.

[@aleksa1410]

Don't forget that president of banja luka is just as corrupt as dodik

[@filippetrovic4891]

I don't think anyone thinks if RS was to seceede it would remain independent. Logical move would be unification with Serbia, maybe getting some autonomy within it (if people want to).

[@samueltrusik3251]

I want this country to be stable, but I am not sure if keeping it together is actually for the best.

[@patriarch7237]

Compared to the alternative, it is.

[@antoniochiodi4183]

@@patriarch7237 The alternative is literally them being separate in peace tho. How bad is that

[@JeremiaszCzeresniowiecki]

It is. Divisions don't solve ethnic conflicts. Reforms and integration with EU would help.

[@mehoprelivoda]

​@@antoniochiodi4183 in 1992-95 a lot of crimes against civilians + ethnic cleansing were done by serbian side - see Hauge Court Verdicts against serbian generals. That beeing said, how do you think to divide it, in current borders or borders where majority of people lived from 1992? East has no Bosniaks anymore, North has no Croats anymore... Peacefull dissolution is not posible, that is reason why Nato forces are stationed all over bosnia. People from balkans will fight to the last man, just as many many times before in history.

[@pandora5463]

@@antoniochiodi4183 my dude as a bosnian ill tell you theres no peaceful way a seperation can happen. Our constitution isnt a peace agreement its a cease fire.

[@wessexexplorer]

As much as I can’t stand Russian influence outside Russia, I can’t see why the Serbs and Croats should be held in Bosnia and Herzegovina. The Bosnians could just join the EU and then their state could be fully functional. The Croats would join with Croatia and the Serbs to Serbia. Then migration can start these troubles all over again… why do I say this? Because this is really about religion. Orthodox Christians, Catholics and Muslims, unsurprisingly unable to live together in the long term, but with migration pressure leading to new realities on the ground every time people come together to solve the problem.

[@MalaSanchy01]

If we can sign EU accession of all 3 "states" on the same day these 3 "states" are created, I would be all for it. This coming from a person whose father fought in the war of independence of BiH in Armija RBiH. Then the natural migration, protected rights of individuals and not ethnicities, would make borders irrelevant. But how would you make this possible, without first creating 3 mini states, where their respective herder has control of all his little sheep, for the unforseeable future, and no prospect of ever becoming integrated in EU and acquiring EU standards?

[@bracco23]

The problem is that you need to have a fully functioning state BEFORE joining the EU.

[@gfaris92]

Would you give Turks part of Germany if they asked for it?

[@wessexexplorer]

@@gfaris92 - this is why I’m against mass migration and multiculturalism: I believe in individual freedom and I do think communities that wish to be nations have more right to self determination than the whole has to force another group remain. This is why fostering a strong sense of the nation is really important and not encourage mass immigration.

[@TofiMaster]

They won't do it because Bosnia would remain a shithole with no territory, resources, or national power in the region. Bosnia united is already one of the worst states in the Balkans, and it already relies heavily on Croatia/Serbia to function. It would be good for Serbs & Croats but would leave Bosniaks completely vulnerable which is why they are so against it.

[@Dr.JasenkoR]

Bosnian here and I can add to this (from my perspective). Balkans or more specifically in this case ex Yugoslav republics have a lot of potential but choose to ignore it over their "ethnic pride". It doesn't matter which one it is (Bosniak, Serb, Croat...) they will not work together if it means they will have to be equal. Success, innovation, winning in sports, large businesses, infrastructure... is all irrelevant if "my guy" aka someone from my ethnicity didn't achieve them they don't matter. I myself identify as Bosnian not Bosniak which means I can't run for high office. Crime rate is not low, it is just that the police don't arrest criminals due to corruption, them being criminals and the logic of "he can steal as long he belongs to my ethnicity". Current OSA director (Bosnian CIA) does not have a college degree and because he is Bosniak he is protected by the Bosniak SDA party and to this day is heading that office. He abused his power to spy on his political enemies and despite that the Bosniak people protested hard when he was arrested last summer. Same goes for Serbs in Republika Srpska. Dodik and his party will sabotage everything, blame it on Bosniaks and look for Russian/Serbian alternatives. Croats might be the stupidest. Most of them if not all have the opportunity to get a Croatian passport and leave this shithole for anywhere in the EU. I would take that chance in a heartbeat even if I didn't know a 2nd language. But even then it is mostly the old people who stay. The young who are not held back by nationalist mindset are leaving in droves. I don't think there will be a war, especially because Russia is having its ass kicked by Ukraine and Western sanctions. Dodik most likely knew about the invasion before hand and was threatening secession almost every day before the invasion started. His quote was "We have powerful friends who will come to our aid". After he saw how much Russia failed he dialed down his rhetoric but did not stop. He just slightly distanced himself from Russia in favor of China, Hungary and in recent days to Israel? for some reason. Might be because Bosniaks support Palestine more and he thinks Israel will come to his aid. I think the best way to minimize ethnic tensions within the entire Balkans is a Federal Europe with a representative democracy. No state but more on the county level with the EU Parliament being responsible for larger issues. Have the administrative language be English and have it be the "Official 2nd language" since no country would be willing to give up on their main language. Even so if English is the administrative language it would slowly erode the other ones over time and replace them as the main one when all the old "prideful" people die off. But as good as that sounds in the head it is impossible to implement unless there is a trans national party like Volt that would take control in all EU states and start implementing similar plans that would down the line become a Federal Europe.

[@northernstar4811]

@Bergamo "Well you say Croats are dumb for not leaving, but Croatia is a great place to be." He is talking about Bosnian Croats who live in Bosnia and Herzegovina. They are the only ones in Bosnia with access to E.U passports.

[@gregarobida2035]

@@northernstar4811 yes you a right what he ment. This dud above is dumb for not understanding

[@cyberverse9141]

How religious is Bosnia? I've heard Bosnia is majority Muslim.

[@ludaknormalan9866]

@@cyberverse9141 more than half of BiH is muslim

[@ludaknormalan9866]

Slazem se za sve sto si reko ,samo rusija ne pati bas toliko koliko si reko,nis vise

[@caomama1019]

Well done explaing situation in Bosnia but we are so used to chaotic situation we dont really get excited when they talk about war.

[@anitagorse9204]

What is there to be destroyed? Even people left.

[@FlavortownG]

upravo

[@TheMexxodus]

And I thought Belgium with its state and governlent structures was complicated .... 😇

[@mx9985]

Belgium has more responsible politicians! Bosnian ruling elite from all 3 sides enjoy! They don't want EU. Fight and rule is their recipe!

[@ahtecliwko5559]

I am Croat from B-H, and maybe I am too deep in this conversation to see it, but I never saw that Croat parties or polititians gave any statement or move which is pro Russian. They are corrupted, as well as other lead polititians in B-H, but that is other topic.

[@annurissimo1082]

Yeah, I don't think they are Pro-Russian either. Not sure where that came from. As you said, maybe we lost the greater picture and can't see what TLDR's talking about?

[@Jajalaatmaar]

That goes hand-in-hand no? If you're corrupt, Russia will give you money to fuck with the west.

[@MONSTERKILL2013]

@@annurissimo1082 I've been hearing that they are for quite a bit from other news sources other than tldr. But l cannot tell you why people say so

[@annurissimo1082]

@@MONSTERKILL2013 Can I get some sources so I can read up and see what other people are looking at? Thank you.

[@goldzen3019]

They blocked the resolution condemning Russian agression on Ukraine TWICE

[@tensorflow5777]

Damn. Caucasus feels like an ez mode compared to THIS

[@vietphan3767]

Pro tip: When you give a single person infinity stones - I mean powers, it does not go over well.

[@whitezombie10]

Yeah the UN shouldn't interfere with national affairs

[@patriarch7237]

@@whitezombie10 When the national affair is "pointless genocidal civil war with no end" then yeah, it probably should.

[@randomdude7386]

@@whitezombie10 well, if the UN created this country as a compromise thats roughly as stable as the Demon Core or Czernobyl if thats something you can work with, I am pretty sure they should be obligated to prevent the desaster reigniting that led to them creating this mess of a country. But in any other country they should stay out of the internal affairs as long as it is no war zone

[@MrSmith-zh4ld]

Two? Those are rookie numbers! You need to pump those numbers up!

[@jbshiva865]

Ok so if 'Serbian Bosnia' successfully breaks away, what will the Croats in what's left of Bosnia seek? Full independence as their own nation, or will they want to join with Croatia itself?

[@angelina6543]

Bosnjaks will kick them out. Croatians exist thanks to Serbs. Without them Europe would be Muslim colony

[@leondodig9574]

Croatian and Serbian parts want to secede, but that would mean Bosnians would lose control of a big chunk of territory (which isn’t mainly Bosnian anyways lol). It’s greed, really. But all three constituents are incompetently stupid.

[@logixxt9097]

The problem is that most areas can't easily break out. Because if we take for example city of Mostar. It is like 60% croats 40% bosniaks. Now who will get the city? That is only one city for example and believe me there are a lot of cities like that.

[@TABreckenbauer]

@@logixxt9097 wtf its not that procent at all... Croats are 55 procent Bosniaks 45

[@millevenon5853]

@@logixxt9097 just split it along a 60/40 split

[@pepperonish]

I bet if all these people made 70 thousand euros a year in salaries they wouldn't give a shit about their identify.

[@98091238]

bingo... fix the economy and everything else falls into place... a worsening economy hastened Yugoslavia's fall

[@damir53]

the most accurate comment here, that's the point bro. polititians are feeding nationalistm while people are last 30 years fucked up and poor. Bosnia has one of the biggest deopopulation in europe because we are tired of work for 400 euros a month and listenig those polititians who earn 4000 euros a mont doing nothing and just keeping status quo because it's in their's interest.

[@Cyphereus]

If it splits in 2 it might as well split in three

[@serbianwarrior385]

👍

[@nikolagrubac4925]

👍

[@ceroid3752]

Of course.

[@BosniakGigachad-eu6oq]

Except it won't and croaches and serfs will get annihilated for good🤣

[@markoradivojac]

If Bosnia ever splits it would split in three not two because there are three constitutive ethnicities. And also Bosniaks aren't majority in all cantons, Croats are majority in southwestern cantons and also in Orašje (northefn canton which is seperated from the rest of federation).

[@izetsalihbegovic115]

If Bosnia splits talking about cantons is irrelevant.

[@iddomargalit-friedman3897]

@@izetsalihbegovic115 Not really, in case of croatian succession the default would be internal borders, according to international principles, unless something else could be agreed apon.

[@izetsalihbegovic115]

Well it is Balkan so those things never go that way. 100 years ago one guy started WWI here. Lets not repeat the history.

[@yolson2376]

Just a little tip regarding pronunciation of slavic words, if you see a "C" pronounce it like a "ts" sound, like in the word tsardom, if you see an accent above the "C" called "kvaka" in serbo-croation or "haček" in czech pronounce it like you would the "ch" in the word "chart"...also an accent above the "z" changes the pronunciation, you'd pronounce it like the "s" in the word pleasure...Regarding the topic at hand, I'd like to give my opinion about life in Bosnia as a non-member of the big 3, it is hell on earth, it is as though I and my family and people like me don't even exist, it is like an apartheid in the heart of Europe and this country will never become a member of the EU, it will never be prosperous due to the mentality of its inhabitants. And I objurgate every day my fallen ancestors for coming in this godforsaken shithole during austrian rule (they were probably forced to do so, but still) and making me thus being born here.

[@ceroid3752]

Bosnia won't ever even become a candidate.

[@yolson2376]

@@ceroid3752 You're most probably right. It all depends on the people though. If they change (which they are unlikely to do so), there might be a possibility for Bosnia to at least become a candidate.

[@sejozwak]

EU won't bring it any prosperity, even if it would join, it would only take away population even more, and also natural resources, joining EU is literally accepting to be colonized at this point.

[@northernstar4811]

Some history on Bosnia: The Ottoman Turks after they invaded Roman Catholic Bosnia introduced the "Devshirme " policy usually translated as "child levy" or "blood tax". The Ottoman Turks took Christian children from their families and converted them. Then there were the "Janissaries" ( new soldiers) the taking of young Christian boys to convert & create new soldiers. The Ottoman Turks also introduced special taxes for Christians which over time made some Christians convert, especially those Christians who owned property/land as it was a way to hold onto their land.

[@SimpleGraffiti.]

B&H Never bosnia

[@uq_lq]

I live in Bosnia, and atm the streets of Mostar are chill. Just waiting the day

[@SimpleGraffiti.]

B&H is not bosnia! Please, respect my country!

[@glaonrielelsinoth7243]

The amount of false assumptions and presentation here is baffling. 1. Dodik has been toying with "independence" for some 20 years now and it's not something anyone realistically considers. It's just a way for Dodik to say "Don't push us to far or we can escalate things the other way around" 2. The High Representatives have undermined the Dayton Peace Agreement, which is the Constitution of Bosnia and Herzegovina, at the expense of the Serbs and Croats so they justly or wrongly have the right to grievance. 3. Čović (Chovich not Kovik) is not pro-Putin 4. Croats didn't threaten with secession from Bosnia, but they did with creating their own entity *INSIDE* Bosnia and Herzegovina 5. To say that it's only Serb and Croat nationalism that is the problem is just so out of reality that it's hard to even comprehend. As if Bosniaks are non-national. Mentioning Russian support to Srpska and Croatian to the Croats in Bosnia, while not at all mentioning the support of Turkey and other Muslim countries to the Bosniaks is very biased to say the least. Just a few weeks ago, the political leader of Bosniaks threatened with war saying that "they (Bosniaks) counted themselves ready" or that they "have their drones and pilots ready". So much for warmongering coming from Serbs and Croats... 6. And probably the most important thing of all. Serbs and Croats are NOT minorities! I will repeat. Serbs and Croats are NOT minorities! All three (Bosniaks, Serbs and Croats) are !!constituent peoples!! and as such they are political identities which all contribute to and share power in Bosnia and Herzegovina. The system was the only way to keep the country together after the war because actual federalism would lead to the dissolution of the state (every federal unit would seek independence). The attempts of centralization, as advocated by this video, will only move Serbs and Croats to distance themselves even further from Bosnia and Herzegovina as a state to which they can contribute and in which they can live with peoples of other nationalities. Projecting your unrealistic and simplistic views on this problem will never solve the issue.

[@MalaSanchy01]

1. True 2. True to an extent, but you would have to dig deeper for each individual decision, and you will find that most were in favor of "normalcy" and functioning government, and not de facto pro-Bosniak. 3. He is counting on Russia's support to stir the pot in Bosnia, for him to take advantage of and renew so-called HRHB where he would be the lifetime ruler. So he might not be pro-Putin in all aspects of the word, but he's definitely a Putin ally and a chesspiece on the global geopolitical board, same as Dodik. 4. True 5. Yes Bakir is an idiot, and coordinating his activities with his pals Covic and Dodik, but it's very dishonest to say that he threatened with war first, when it was obviously Covic who was saying "Bosnia will fall apart if we don't get our apartheid election law", "there will be riots in the south", "this Bosnia can not survive as is, if we don't get our way", "we have a plan B" and etc. And how many times has Covic played the bigot card by inventing Muslim extremists and terrorist, trying to get the western support on fearmongering and bigotry. For Dodik I don't even need to mention how many times before he has threatened with conflict, indirectly. 6. Serbs are not a minority, they got their own autonomous "entity", so that is why they are not complaining and not looking to change the election law. Croats are actually a minority, which will be shown in the next census. That is why they want this election law change, because they are losing the demographic battle (in large part thanks to Covic and HDZ actions), and want to cement their power despite the demographic shift. You already have ethnically cleansed cantons within FBIH where you have your autonomy, but you also want the party that rules in these ethnically cleansed areas, to also, exclusively and forever, always rule on the entity and state level, irrelevant of the number of votes they can muster.

[@BunkerSlav]

Well said. As a Croat, I completely agree with this.

[@kostam.1113]

This comment is pure fact It's a shame that majority of people will be brainwashed into sole false narratives and propaganda

[@ahtecliwko5559]

Better said than I was capable of. If you aren't from B-H this is the first time foreigner figured it out.

[@duka1461]

As a Serb, I agree with a comment.

[@shadoman7682]

Countries throughout history have been split & divided between different leaders, regimes, etc... Those countries have had to sort themselves out & unite under one single government. This has taken wars, revolutions and so on, something all the people of that nation has demanded & finally achieved. History may be bloody, many have dies in such causes, but change can ONLY come from within and not be forces by outside intervention.. Let the country solve their own issues.. Offer advice if and when it is asked for, but no more.

[@henrybn14ar]

Switzerland?

[@patriarch7237]

1) Wars, including civil wars, have a habit of spilling outside the borders and affecting the neighbours whether they want it to or not. 2) Bosnia's neighbours, and those neighbours' friends, would definitely get involved if there was a free for all. Then see 1). 3) The UN was set up with pretty much universal backing (getting the US, USSR, colonial powers and former colonies to agree to anything was incredible) to stop exactly this sort of thing. If the UN doesn't try to stop this, there is no point in the UN. 4) It's pretty pathetic for nice comfortable wealthy Europeans to look up from their beer/wine/pizza/pasta, see a tiny number of people on their doorstep tearing each other apart with medieval savagery, and decide "It's a shame there is nothing we can do about this. Let's hope they calm down soon". 5) Most Bosnians who are not lunatics would probably prefer the unsatisfactory status quo, to what would happen if the country was "left to solve its own issues".

[@dennisschwartzentruber3204]

@@henrybn14ar / The IDEAL !

[@abelzatyko1513]

Fella really said I'll move in 12fps today

[@user-xr4bo3ln6f]

If/when it will split, it will probably be into 3

[@whitezombie10]

Whst would be the third part

[@danielpeter3834]

@@whitezombie10 Herceg-Bosnia Croat Republic.

[@Dear_Mr._Isaiah_Deringer]

Wouldn't be the Balkans if it wouldn't keep balkanizing.

[@cte4dota]

As Bosnian all i can say this is fail state.

[@user-xj3ve7wt8k]

No. In three.

[@RafaelW8]

Damn, that shit's complicated yo

[@protoretro1290]

After a formerly stable nation slips into chaos, it is just as hard to get back to stability as it was easy to enter chaos.

[@hamzaHrv]

That's so deep man, should write a book or something

[@Gabrielm624]

30 seconds in and I can’t believe you said Bosnia is functioning ‘remarkably well’, for fuck sake this is so obviously not true to anyone who is from or has been to the country since the end of the war🤦‍♂️…

[@kxanth]

Wow I was in BiH last week. I had no idea how this country functions and all the problems it has.

[@restlessactivity8696]

There's people living in Amazon forest without a government. Here in this part of the world people can't even whipe their butt without help from the government.

[@artukmi91]

It can’t split in two because the Dayton accords say if the Dayton constitution fails the country reverts back to its Unitary constitution

[@keihndeth]

TLDR is just wildly, wildly biased with the veneer of fairness.

[@ShankarSivarajan]

What perspective have they missed? I notice that they glossed over the whole country being a dictatorship under the High Representative.

[@yezuit777]

@Bergamo You can, I believe it was called objective journalism in the 20th century where people were given the facts, now they are given opinions with a pinch of facts....

[@kosio0808]

The Balkans are interesting cases. We are spits on the world map so insignificant most people don't know we exist and to top this off we will always quarrel regionally. So wholesome

[@fulconandroadcone9488]

True brother hood. We will do everything to beat each other, and if the other is truly in trouble then we help them, sometimes, so we don't end up all alone, without anyone to fight. The fight mus go on.

[@kosio0808]

@@fulconandroadcone9488 The fight must go on. - love this 😂

[@NAYRUthunder99]

@@fulconandroadcone9488 Fight Club on a national scale basically

[@fulconandroadcone9488]

@@NAYRUthunder99 That is very good way to put it

[@CARL_093]

its a 50-50 scenario that eventually something will come out

[@eh8706]

The actual situation in society is far better than what the media shows. People in Bosnia and Herzegovina live in peace and get along quite well. Bosnia and Herzegovina can break up if the major powers decide but it is unlikely. Then they should apply ethnic seperatism to Croatia, Serbia, North Macedonia, Montenegro and Kosovo. That would not be popular even for the people who promote destroying Bosnia and Herzegovina.

[@casualgamer8450]

I agree with you. Ive met Serbs and Croats and non-muslims. I had no problem talking to them

[@cazwalt9013]

Why not just dissolve the whole country according to ethnic lines?????

[@casualgamer8450]

It's Impossible.

[@damir53]

because there are no clear ethnic lines

[@cazwalt9013]

@@damir53 population exchange

[@dragonrykr]

No it won't split up. I am not sure why western media is so sensationalistic about it now. I guess they rediscovered B&H in 2020. The politicians in the region however have been practicing the same discourse you see today for 20+ years. Sincerely, a Balkan who is sick of this stupid topic

[@ceroid3752]

Wait and see.

[@denissssss8579]

Wait and see man

[@korbell1089]

"Talking about the Balkens almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter!" ~Ghost, possibly

[@Poopdahoop]

great video! just wanted to point out that the electoral reform protests were not so much opposed by bosniaks, but by the country's multiethnic and nonnationalist parties. the bosniak nationalists sort of tacitly support the idea of a croat entity because it would amount to a gerrymandered federation not so much along ethnic lines really, but because it would guarantee conservative party dominance before an election where progressives and new parties unconcerned with ethnic politics are likely to win. thats also why that one croat presidential candidate gets so much support, not because he is a croat or whatever, but because he is often the only non conservative candidate in the election. so thays why the croat nationalists are calling for this third entity gerrymandering, to guarantee only conservative croats are elwcted, but they dont say that even though thats what it would do. bosnian politics go beyond only ethnic issues, which are sonetimes used to cover for these reactionary politics and corruption like where you missed to mention that dodik not only wanted to form a seperate army, but had 3 additional points to that: 1. seceeding from the joint police force (so that he cant b arrested) 2. seceeding from the joint proosecution council (so he cant be prisecuted for crimes) 3. seceeding from the VAT authority which is the only joint body with the power to really track financial transactions of powerful people and, when a scandal related to industrial oxygen being used to treat covid patients uncovered by an opposition serb polititian with the help of the joint medicine agency, swiftly a 5th point was added, to withdraw from that agency as well so as u can see that had a lot more to do with him covering his ass from corruptio n nefore the upcoming electio s which he is slated to lose, than amy nationalist rhetoric he just did to couch it all in again v good video, and surprisingly well researched

[@BunkerSlav]

If everyone else has a politician who is conservative and supporting their ethnic interests, why would the Croats not be allowed to have their own conservative candidate that is concerned with their own ethnic politics? The system is already gerrymandered, just against Croats. That's the problem. If you want a united representative who can represent something other than ethnic politics, then create something else, don't remove the rights of a whole people. This is exactly why there is a crisis. You can't just sacrifice our own interests for the overall benefit if everyone else's interests are safely guarded, be consistent. How would the Bosniaks feel if the borders were redrawn and Serbs and Croats elected the Bosniak representatives, and then when they want more representation we just say "Well that would ensure there is no progressive candidates only conservative ones"? There would be another war within months.

[@tirnanicluka4897]

but bro there is no trust between ethnic groups, so hardly will croats be satisfied without a conservative

[@frankkobold]

That's just sounds like a pure mess oO Honestly, splitting up the country to deal with all this ethnical chaos sounds desirable...

[@Poopdahoop]

@@frankkobold id love that because it would be a simpler solution, but you would only end up with 3 small countries with horrible corruption with no one to hold them accountable unlike now. so you would only form 3 small Belaruses friendly to russia and putin in the middle of the balkans whose peoples would live much worse than now economically and democratically

[@arkheavyindutries]

Thank you for your explanation! Very detailed and informative!

[@gilgabro420]

It is just funny to me how everyone hates each other in that region. Let's be honest no-one but them can tell each other apart.

[@Wustenfuchs109]

Not really. Ordinary people rarely hate each other in the region. It's just that media focuses on that hateful minority and politicians use that narrative to keep the people's attention on hate and division, so they could run away with the money. In reality, ordinary folks live and work together like they did for centuries. Simply because people have figured long ago that everyone is here to stay - so, the sooner you come to terms with it and find a way to live together, the better, because there is no other option. And people did that. Politicians and media are not the real representation of majority of the population. Even people who were actively participating in the war as regular soldiers - they don't hate each other. They know that it was a war, everyone had their duty, and that's it. Just like French, Brits and Germans got out of the trenches for Christmas. Ordinary folk rarely hate each other. And in the Balkans, we are actually more tolerant of each other than is the case in most other regions in the world. It's just that media and politicians focus on different things so outsiders might get a different feeling.

[@billpolychronidis7805]

why where there americans intervening in a fight between a serb and a croat though?

[@gilgabro420]

@@billpolychronidis7805 I don't know what that has to do with my comment. Are you referring to the Bosnian genocide? Because it was totally justified to intervine there. That was a little gamer moment there... :, D

[@billpolychronidis7805]

@@gilgabro420 you do realise your comment is ignorant right?

[@aleksa1410]

As a serb from bosnia i believe croats deserve their own entity

[@majkabosna8048]

Then Bosniaks in serbia deserve their entity also

[@aleksa1410]

@@majkabosna8048 don't see why not

[@basedserb1389]

They can have it after we leave them.

[@serbianwarrior385]

@@majkabosna8048 But Bosniaks in Serbia live in region that has no autonomy and its fully controled by Serbia and Montenegro.Also there is only 250k Bosniaks in Serbia and many of them dont want any autonomy and there is 900k Serbs in Bosnia who already have autonomy,their police,president,government etc.

[@Justice-qw7sj]

We want a Bosniak entity in Croatia..

[@creatoruser736]

What's the light green area in the northeast?

[@billpolychronidis7805]

when you fight a federation just to end up in a federation

[@DonKazuya251]

We Croats must establish a third entity in Bosnia

[@hrvatskicetnik]

HRHB - RS

[@robertmifkovic6325]

There is always an option "Czechoslovakia"- peaceful split of country

[@TheDude-lr6mb]

Peaceful split on Balkans...are you kidding me?

[@CptMark]

Sure. But they split among ethnic lines with federalization in the 60s. If only KPJ was so farseeing.

[@LARESCIV]

Thing is Czechs and slovaks never warred each other and did genocides and ethnic cleansings on each other, in Bosnia, many people are awaiting for possible round 2 to settle old bad blood especially from Bosniak side, they wont give away half their country where they used to be living just coz someone doesnt like them.

[@robertmifkovic6325]

@@LARESCIV Well, then there is no hope for them

[@northernstar4811]

Paul I Šubić of Bribir (Croatian: Pavao I. Šubić Bribirski, Hungarian: bribiri I. Subics Pál; c. 1245 - 1 May 1312) was Ban of Croatia between 1275 and 1312, and Lord of Bosnia from 1299. After Paul died his son Mladen II Šubić of Bribir (Croatian: Mladen II Šubić Bribirski, Hungarian: bribiri Subics Mladen; c.1270 - c.1341) becomes Lord of all of Bosnia in 1312 AD.

[@protoretro1290]

Is it fair to say that the position of High Representative is similar to that of Governor General in Australia (and I believe many other Commonwealth nations)? The Governor General is basically a delegate of the queen, and has absolute powers. (Although I think the Governor General needs permission from the reigning British monarch before using that power)

[@johnpotts8308]

The Governor General's powers are theoretically absolute, but (like the Queen) negligible in practical terms, last intervening in 1975. The BH High Representative is far more active.

[@98091238]

no... the High Representative is a foreigner, appointed by foreigners, and is far more active in the day-to-day functioning of Bosnia... more like a colonial governor

[@protoretro1290]

@@johnpotts8308 True, The B&H High Representative is far more Active than the Governor General. What I am comparing however is the role of the role. Where does the Role of High Representative fit in the process and structure of governance and what is it's purpose and reasoning for existance.

[@mandrakespydar3834]

The fact is very simple: Bosnia is not a state. To have a state according to international law you need a fully independent authority, which here is missing. It is only a matter of time, but Bosnia is going to collapse.

[@nOtstrO]

As a Balkaner myself, well in Bulgaria. I can agree, there should be either an agreement on all sides where they put their differences aside and decide to do something with the country, otherwise the country's fate is marked by collapse.

[@tinahalder8416]

@bidigiboy officially recognised by UN means nothing, really.

[@Aymg]

No serboid, your genocidal entity and croatian plans for apartheid is the only thing that's going to collapse.

[@majkabosna8048]

Bosnia has survived a lot, and if needed, will survive more.

[@serbianwarrior385]

@@majkabosna8048 Sure just without RS

[@grmpEqweer]

_BALKANIZATION INTENSIFIES_ Eventually, everyone's house is going to be its' own country.😳

[@alisav8394]

You have no idea what you're talking about. We didn't split up for shits and giggles

[@boarfaceswinejaw4516]

the ancient greeks had city states. it isnt too unbelievable that the balkans may become city states as well.

[@BenDonahower]

Rarely are comments helpful but I encourage everyone who sees this one to leaf through the others that address several aspects of the video.

[@TheMelbournelad]

A workable compromise is a compromise that all sides don’t like 🤣

[@Scrooge1erAOA]

There is currently no High Representative as he would have to be approved by the UN,which in the case of Schmidt didn't happen

[@vesnajelovac3951]

Why Germans are high reprezentatives in Bosnia? Are they another 'Benjamin Kalajs of Austrohungary ocupation of Bosnia'?

[@nataliekennedy4646]

More new countries/ states the better because it makes everyone happy

[@milokojjones]

Except the people that don't want to split ? Everyone here is talking as if the whole country of BiH would want to split, but this video pretty much specifically says it's the nationalists who want to split. I don't know about you, but I definetly do not want to make the nationalists out of all the possible groups happy. There are bigger fish to fry than to fight over - in our modern world - meaningless issues like this.

[@serbianwarrior385]

@@milokojjones 95% of Serbs from RS want to split from Bosnia,go and ask them.They dont want anything to do with them.

[@fb150185]

Wow thisbis really complex. I don't really know much about this issue so I'm wondering: wouldn't breaking up into separate countries be better?

[@NATOnova]

Splitting apart countries would be immensely contentious and complicated, and more importantly, likely lead to more ethnic violence or even wars. Like for example, lets say Srpska broke off into its own country, Bosnians and Croats within Sprska would demand they have their own country, same with Serb communities in Bosnia.

[@edin1946]

would you like your country to break into few smaller states?

[@tarik6990]

By breaking up the country, you let the fascists want and you give them what they tried to get during the war and failed. Is that really what you want and support?

[@rizzllerr]

​@@tarik6990yes

[@Woffle8340]

Big Man is the way to go. He is a manta ray named Big Man, what's not to love, he even chose the correct team of team scissors

[@5iverk]

What a shame

[@LaneCorbett]

Just split it as fairly as possible along ethnic lines and call it a day. The Serbs can join Serbia, the Croats Croatia, and Bosnia can keep doing whatever Bosnians do. Alternatively the Bosnians and Croats could work it out and let the Serbs leave making it one less ethnic group to deal with in the geo political landmine

[@12cone341]

This would require Bosniaks to give up more than 60% of the BiH territory (Republika Srpska + the Croat majority cantons), which they would never agree to. Even though they are the majority in numbers, they don't control the majority of the territory. They don't mind the Serbs leaving the country and going to live in Serbia (heck, it's hella easy for Serbs to acquire Serbian citizenship as it is) or anywhere else for that matter. They don't mind Croats having Croatian passports (which they almost all already do). It's purely a matter of territory. So yes, to an outside observer that seems like an easy fix, but people here have fought wars, bled, and died for much less. It's not as simple as that. Just like stated in the video, Bosniaks want centralization, Serbs maximum entity level autonomy, and Croats just fair representation. In this tug-of-war, the country as a whole stagnates as the state-level power comes from the entities, and if any of the entities don't agree to a decision, it cannot pass. So, to recap, each of the peoples wants something without the slightest possibility of getting it as the others are strongly opposed.

[@LaneCorbett]

@@12cone341 sounds like they need Federalism. Each. Ethnic group handles their own affairs but forign affairs and defense are handled by the federal government.

[@12cone341]

@@LaneCorbett That's far from full autonomy (Serb) and centralization (Bosniak) demands. You see, there already exists a form of Federation, but ethnic demands superceed what's possible. If you let, say, Croats handle themselves, then you can't control them, which a centralized govt aspires to do. Also, if you let them do it, the Serbs can use it as a precedent which they can utilize to stop the development of the country as a whole by inhibiting decisions they aren't fond of. Finally, the Bosniaks want to control the entirety of the territory which neither the Croats nor Serbs would ever agree to. Bosnian nationalism exists only in concept. The people are first and foremost Bosniaks, Croats, or Serbs, almost never Bosnians. Think of it as the reverse USA - regardless of their backgrounds, Americans are Americans. In BiH, almost nobody is Bosnian. As I said, it really isn't as simple as "give each their own" because what they all consider theirs overlaps more often than not.

[@LaneCorbett]

@@12cone341 sounds like a doomed country

[@12cone341]

@@LaneCorbett I hate that you're right.

[@blagoevski336]

Nice

[@andyreznick]

I was there in the 90's. If they light this up again, I'm not going back.

[@tarik6990]

Nobody will ask you to go back.

[@eruno_]

Bosnia & Herzegovina should just copy Switzerland confederation model which works extremely well and guarantees enough autonomy to all cantons.

[@martinhawes5647]

But how does ethnic composition and tensions of Switzerland compare?

[@daniel72122]

Unfortunately the Bosniak extremist Bakir Izetbegović is against this and wants to destroy the foundation of Dayton to control more power.

[@serbianwarrior385]

No,Serbs want nothing to do with Bosnia and its just matter of time when will th3y seperate

[@daniel72122]

@@serbianwarrior385 keep dreaming

[@tarik6990]

Switzerland doesn't have the ethnic tensions, the ethnic history or the ethnic tensions that Bosnia has. Also in Switzerland everyone actually feels Swiss and loves Switzerland no matter where they live in the country. In Bosnia, Serbs and Croats regularly and publicly shout their hatred for Bosnia yet they do everything they can to stay living there.

[@mrkstpn200712]

"Ć" in Bosnian-Croat-Montenegrin-Serbian is not pronounced as a "k", it's a soft "ch" sound...

[@davorbajlovic3136]

It wont split into two, it will split into three. Croats dont want to live under ottoman occupation.

[@AlexD_20]

So, this happened last 100 years Austria-Hungary split into 4 new countries (serbia and montenegro united with the South Slavic part of the empire forming a new state) Then, 2 of these 4 states broke up again (czechoslovakia and yugoslavia) Then, from former yugoslavia, Kosovo additionally splitted away from serbia And now bosnia is about to split again

[@sejozwak]

It won't split again, this channel just uploaded the video to get the views off of people's concerns and worries lol, everything is the same for the past 20 years, just pre election fuss as always

[@AlexD_20]

@@sejozwak yeah I really hope that nothing happens

[@Christiane069]

What a mess! You can't make people like each other if they don't. It is the same all over life when people are forced to live together.

[@BoomKing72]

Bad take

[@ceroid3752]

@@BoomKing72 It's a perfect take as it's reality. Austria-Hungary collapsed because all of those people who didn't want to live together couldn't be forced to live together forever.

[@Celi.1360]

I agree, serbs can go in bus to serbia and croats can go in bus for croatia.

[@josipag2185]

​​@@ceroid3752😂😂😂😂 It collapsed because Serbs wanted Yugoslavia, and Croats Hugnarians, Czechs and Austrians actually live happily together (with some.other friends, lile Poles, Lithuanians, etc) now in the IV German Reich better known as EU And don't forget that in prder to get some slavic sentiment from croats, a ethnic german slovak, Auguat Senoa had to write and invent history (about Venice, for instance, fun fact is that if not for Venice, all the coast would be muslim Bosnia there) So, no, most the nations liked AHE, they just wanted some modernization, and some slavic entity due to Hungarian growing nationalizm inspired with french bloody revolution. Also, italians lost big time in AHE due to becoming an ally of the Prussians, and then French did their thing, so they lost Riviera in order to at least, got Veneto. But before this, actually italian culture was promoted by Austria, that later turned to pushing slavic culture in the region. And Lyssa battle, ofc. But anyhow. They all liked AHE, minus Serbs, but I bet even 1/2 of the Serbs in AHE liked that too, as they have more opportunity there to work, to study, etc.

[@sal78sal]

serbs can walk back to Serbia.@@Celi.1360

[@IronWolf123]

So Bos-Hertz is basically a worse version of the UK or Belgium?

[@alexp723]

Imagine if, for example, Americans and the EU forced English, Scottish and Welsh people to live together even though all of them wanted to live separately.

[@ToastieBRRRN]

@@alexp723 Would anything convince them to live together? Like in Belgium's case of Walloons and Flemish living together idly by?

[@invictor2761]

"worse version of uk" not possible

[@redacted9912]

@@alexp723I think Greece and turkey is more fitting

[@marshalbali]

Its like an unstable Switzerland. It does also have simmilarities with Belgium tho.

[@Shaelos]

Letters Č and Ć are pronounced like "ch" sound in English. As in "chair" or "chat".

[@KING-pc2tp]

Interesting fact: at the beginning of the video you can see a real picture of a Bosnian soldier hiding behind a civilians.

[@erminpajazetovic9506]

Im from bosnia and this is really a big issue here and is causing a lot of trouble and hate between us

[@MrXandervm]

If the croats and serbs want to secede, why not let them?

[@aleksa1410]

@@MrXandervm because bosniaks don't wanna lose land they can't even use

[@patriarch7237]

​@@MrXandervm Because the Croats and Serbs are not a distinct homogenous territory. The minority Croats/Serbs/Bosniaks already living in the "seceding" territories don't want to secede, don't want to be 4th class citizens, and don't want to be ethnically cleansed/force marched out of their homes at gunpoint to be resettled in the "right" areas (or just, y'know, shot out of hand for being out of place). History suggests that there would be a bloodbath, and history is usually right about these things.

[@mdza]

@@patriarch7237 it already happened in Kosovo with Serbs. Ethnically cleansed and for those who stayed are bullied into submission.

[@98091238]

@@MrXandervm because a Bosnia without its Serbian and Croatian populations and territories is not sustainable and hence, for the sake of the Bosniaks, the West insist on the persistence of this Bosnian farce

[@DreamskyDance]

Why not just let Bosnia sepparate into three parts ? Croat parts and people to go to Croatia, Serbian parts to go to Serbia and what is left will actually be Bosnia. Because now it is an artificial state that is not functioning properly for decades. Croatian parts would need to be civilized and get in order first for few years thou, so they can join Croatia ( and EU ). At least thats the way we in Croatia see it as the best solution.

[@Poopdahoop]

because of two reasons: one it would be very difficult to seperate the parts as the countey is still very ethnically mixed, so getting 3 distinct zones would be impossible without more ethnic cleansing two, loads of people (not politicians) are ok with bosnia existing and a lot of the ethnic tensions aee manufactured for votes, multiethnic coexistence in this country was the norm for centuries, ethnic conflicts are the exception, contrary to recent narratives

[@indm4281]

Horrible if someone wants to be in Croatia they should just move there. Not destroy Bosnia and plus do you seriously think thats not gonna start a war. I mean for crying out loud imagine someone saying that former Serbian parts of Croatia seperate that would start a war would it not? And look at it this way techniccly Serbs control 49% Croats 28% that would leave nothing to the Bosniaks its just gonna start a war

[@indm4281]

Every one is trying to find a solution without a another war and separating Bosnia is the first thing thats gonna start a war

[@Digmen1]

A good idea But it would end up with enclaves like that Nogorny koraback area in Azerbaijian

[@billarasPAOK]

@@indm4281 well the way this is going its very likely to start a war, a civil war for that matter. It's just impossible to govern with all this tension going around secession and exchange of populations maybe the only peaceful solution for Bosnia.

[@jorge86rodriguez]

Whatever they want to split or not let´s hope there is no violence and could fin an agreement.

[@nataliekennedy4646]

And it stops internal conflicts and civil wars most of the time

[@mgcemir]

Wow, never expected to see my country as a topic on this channel. I was actually at those protests from the picture in the video :D The video got all the major points right, but there are many more things that are very important. For example, they forgot to mention that all of the national leaders, and most of them are shown in the video, are multi-millionaires and are very much benefiting from this situation and crisis. And that ICC court decision ruled that genocide happened in Srebrenica in 1995. Anyway, keep up the good work!

[@snokehusk223]

If you don't like unjustice you vote for Izetbegović opposition and let Croats chose their own representative.

[@mgcemir]

@@snokehusk223 or I vote for anyone I like, even if he or she is Roma or Jew or black or Asian or whatever humans can be on this planet maybe? Or would you like for tribes to vote only amongst themselves?

[@maigemini3364]

You are part of the problem, you think that bosnian people choosing croatian representatives is fair in the slightest? It looks to me that you just have gluttony for power and control over other people.

[@XXx-mk8dk]

@@mgcemir In Bosnia there are two chamber parlament. One is "people" chamber where you can wote for anyone. Second chamber is for "nations", like upper chamber, which is to represent each nation. For decission to br accepted you need 1/3 of each nation to confirm the vote. The problem here is that Bosniaks often choose these representatives that should be choosen by Croats. It should not be Croatian representitive if it is not choosen by Croats. Same is with 3 presedents. Two are choosen by Bosniaks wotes and one by Serbian. None by Croats.

[@aleksandar8082]

@@mgcemir you should vote for anyone you like, but Muslims should not elect BOTH candidates in Presidency because ONE is for the Croats.

[@avantelvsitania3359]

The thing is maintaining the Status Quo and maintaining Peace are two different things. Bosnia's political system is a provisional solution, and there is no point for the international community to intervene in maintaining it like its the only thing that can guarantee Peace. Of course Peace should always be guaranteed, but let the system be reformed. Let the Croats have their region, and let every one of them secede if they want. What is the point in maintaining these groups together if they want their own paths? Well the fear of a border change domino. But that will not be contained forever.

[@mdza]

The international community or rather say the EU and USA don’t want Bosnia to dissolve, for who knows what reasons. We the Serbs in Republika Srpska are like 99% for separation but we are simply not allowed, same goes for Croats. We are bullied into living together with Bosniaks and we can’t do anything against it. If we tried we would be heavily sanctioned and probably militarily invaded by NATO into submission.

[@qwerty6928]

@@mdza what a bunch of soy boys

[@mdza]

@@qwerty6928 can I get a clarification?

[@edwardaugustus9680]

As others from both sides in the comments have said this video is overly simplistic and presents a wrong image of the situation.

[@thedispenser8301]

A bit vague video, but... Ugh... That whole country is a conundrum so I guess it was a good video