(1134) Whipped: Ray's Nightmare Challenge Lock

[@jrmlocks]

Thanks for the comments. No KZbin page. Comb picking would not work because of the larger sleeve diameter and the controlled length of the top pins and springs. Wedging the sleeve at the bottom or a drop of super glue will work. Now I have to look up all the other locks that have a similar sleeve. Never knew they existed. Thanks for the test Bill./ Raymond

[@pjdambra]

Great design Raymond!! It should be patented.

[@jimcricket8128]

Yeah, just adding that sleeve seems like it adds alot of pick resistance. Probably very cost effective too.

[@markfeeer2149]

I started watching lock picking a month ago and just had the sameis concept in my mind that if tension intatnly rouins the possibilities than there is no picking at all... Great lock you really should pattern it some way

[@Trainwreck144]

Ideas like that are going to make lock picking obsolete.

[@micglou]

Genius lock design... best lock I've seen on this channel so far because of it's actual practical usability

[@skygh]

Bask in the glory Raymond. You deserve it!

[@RPRosen-ki2fk]

Ray, props to you! Bill has confirmed proof of concept on your CL. Great engineering and execution, and I love simplicity of design, so much so that even my mind, could ... grasp what you did.

[@A1BASE]

Super clever design. I love how simple the concept is but how effectively it works! Great lock, Raymond!

[@richardc2124]

Stumbled on these vlogs and my mechanical nature was intrigued. I never realized how complex locks (not including Master Lock) can be. That's why I am subscribed. Keep up the high quality logs.

[@FireguyNtx]

love the sliding sleeve for the false set you'll get. Nice design..... simple,yet very effective.

[@stevewalker7822]

Very unique design and build. Bravo.

[@danielkingham9045]

Congrats Bill :-)Now the manufacturers should start making such locks to prevent burglary,,,,,,thanks for the entertainment and better luck next time :-))))))

[@larryg7336]

Very innovative design, hat's off to you Ramen. Nice try Mr.Bill, Love the way you narrate.

[@RAkers-tu1ey]

i REALLY like these whipped videos. You have picked plenty of the toughest locks on the planet, and you don't have to prove anything. I get whipped by regular American serrated pins all the time. Thanks. R

[@RPRosen-ki2fk]

R. Akers, hell, there's days when Master Locks I've opened dozens of times, all of a sudden ... have me whipped! I agree about the whipped videos. They are a testament to how confident Bosnian Bill is. He's skilled and generous with his knowledge, humble, and a funny bastard ... to boot.

[@bentoombs]

That is awesome!!! This is what makes this hobby so epic! Nice job

[@TheShamiester]

Clever design. Simple yet effective.

[@JanMelet]

This is going to the heart of the thing. I give up practizing picking.

[@lsdlocks4673]

Brilliant engineering. Ray you should try to patent this a.s.a.p. Would be lovely to know, Ray, if you have been inspired by RUKO. They used a sleeve in some of their older models. Nothing like your tunable sleeve though. I'm impressed. Bill, no wonder that you couldn't pick this worthy opponent. Thanks for your video.

[@snowblood82]

Genius design :) this adjustment is cheap and easy to make.

[@sarnold1277]

AWESOME DESIGN, RAYMOND! Great challenge lock!

[@joshuachristy78]

Lol Raymond told me to look this up. He is a great guy. I'm glad the locks I got from him where not that bad.

[@ro-vio381]

Hi Bill. mechanism that you explain in this post is interesting, I also worked on a model four years ago, but I quit because I found two weaknesses in it. I'll now explain only one of them, namely, if you use ,, Super glue and paste ,, ,, core sleeve, the lock turns into a regular RUKO, the same effect can be achieved if you make a hole in front lock and use a pin! Congratulations on everything you do!

[@funkeyfastdrawmonkey1483]

Awesome concept. Ray has really put some thought into this one. A++

[@edwardharoldbutler7076]

I think that just changed locks for ever for lock picking. This may become a standard in anti pick technology.

[@jouster701]

Wow! What a great little trap! He deserves to have it named after him

[@bearmeister1593]

Holy crap! That is a badass design

[@lmars5933]

Man what a designer .that is a excellent idea there is no way to pick that .even if you could pick all the pins to the same height it is called a key.lol lol .if the Slot on the side pin was a little longer it would be totally unpickable.he was being nice to you Bill given you a little feed back marketing you think you were able to pick it lol .Great explained thanks for sharing buddy 😎⛦⛥⛤⛧⛤

[@danielandnicolettehunziker5923]

Very very clever Raymond, well done.

[@martyhastings9347]

WOW, that was some lock. thanks for sharing, i really enjoyed the video.

[@Uncle_Buzz]

That's a brilliant design. Patent that sucker Raymond! Cheers, Chris.

[@Zodliness]

This concept in mass production would revolutionise locks, rendering them practically un-pickable and those ball bearings, what would happen if you could lift all pin stacks up to the ball bearings? As they are all the same height they might create their own sheer line.

[@Jackaoz]

Modern Leveller only problem with that is deep cut with long key pins and big spring which would stop you getting that bb to the sheer line.

[@Zodliness]

I agree, but not all variations will have deep set pinning, was only an observation of a potential issue. The sleeve idea is amazing otherwise.

[@TristanJCumpole]

Guys guys, *shear* line.... :-)

[@wb5mgr]

There are locks out there that do work in a similar fashion though not exactly the same. Ruko has made for many years a sleeved lock that catches the pins in diamond shaped notch if not picked just perfectly. Bill made a video on it years back...

[@youtubegaveawaymychannelname]

Modern Leveller this was done on LSL locks a while back. Same exact concept. It used a reeled out hole in the back of the sleeve and a set screw into the body of the plug to generate the same concept. Oh and that lock was a maxxis style barrel key lock so you had to tension it with one of the pin stacks itself.

[@smokedogg19821]

That is beautiful design work Raymond

[@ABD4VIDS]

Wow! EXCELLENT design!

[@RoeLunatic4ever]

Whow!...this is a neet trickery lock! I LIKE IT!

[@Amish-Hacker]

That was rough. Damn fine work on the makers skill.

[@jimu57]

Like Ruko with rotating sleeve. Great design.

[@jacoleroux5569]

what a lock, Damn.. great design.

[@mynock250]

Nice lock the best challenge lock I've seen in awhile. However there are production locks that have sleeves with multiple shear lines Winkhaus is one brand that comes to mind.

[@kincheng]

impressively creative design

[@2lefThumbs]

Excellent idea and execution, robust enough design to withstand long term use too by the look of it (the ball chains from last month might break and kill the lock quite quickly). One way of defeating the sleeve might be a small dab of superglue, or a wedged -in tensioner in the bottom of the keyway to lock the sleeve and cylinder together though... (presuming that the bottom of the keyways is open).

[@Phred_Phlintstoner]

2LeftThumbs funny. thats the same thing I had thought. the bok tension wrench binding on purpose... was gonna leave a comment but wanted to look through to see if anybody else had thought of it too. I also thought that the sfic wrench may bind up the sleeve perfectly... just a thought. I'd really like to see him pick this one again now he knows it has this sleeve so he can address the problem properly.

[@charlesmckinney]

Devious doings there.

[@SquirrelsForAll]

Fabulous design!

[@buildersmark]

Great concept for pinning! Would only need drill proof pin/guards to make it impenetrable.

[@iggymac3473]

really clever thanks bill

[@mnewman7303]

Raymond could help Masterlock resurrect there pants reputation with this design. Mind you there probably not enough profit in it for these bean counters. Nice One Raymond

[@daggins11]

Everybody likes Raymond, Great lock

[@chessguy125]

Looks like Raymond improved it with the use of security pins and ball bearings. I still have the old one he sent me, I have never sent it off to anybody. Partly because I forgot about it and partly because I've always wanted to hand it to someone that has literally picked everything else. If you really want to pick it, mount it upside down. That way, once a pin is set correctly, gravity will hold the key pin down, and that will hold the sleeve in place. The only shortcoming I see with the design is that a key can be impressioned.

[@RPRosen-ki2fk]

Chessguy125, I'm so glad you commented. After reading Lock Pickin' Magician's 1st comment, I was sure this lock could be defeated. Your name, LPL, the skill & brainpower of TOOOL, and numerous others were missing from his list, though. I'm assuming you have defeated Ray's design, that you have (not clear in your comment). Were you able to do it, without reverse engineering it ... while the security through obscurity, still applied? I'm curious as to what are its vulnerabilities, if any, that can be exploited? Are special techniques or tools, of use in your opinion? I kinda see what you're talking about with the gravity, but I would think the spring would still cause you to be trapped by the first shear line. I think the brilliance of Ray's lock is, you must pick it ... without tension. I'm sure BB would have a better chance of success, now.

[@lochlanrivers1021]

Very impressive core ☺️

[@RichardsWorld]

Hmmm.. I thought Best locks had sleeves in them, but you picked those pretty easy. But if I remember right the sleeves are for having a control key.

[@pyratemage]

Devious, to say the least. The glance at the key.... I didn't see the sharper edges I was expecting. The edges appeared to be worn ounded. For the ball bearings?

[@mjgayle52]

you pointed out that the key would sometimes bind - is that a likely side effect of this design

[@bernardomotard]

mjgayle52 obviously.

[@SianaGearz]

Well it is hand made, so there's that too.

[@raymondmoorman2075]

Negative. The occasional binding is because with ball bearings, the key must be held in fully and tight or the bearing moves up the ramp and shear is not achieved. Turning it up side down means nothing. That's why locks have springs.

[@Validole]

You need a set of picks with a negative curve on the tip for those ball bearings

[@hugosolis9363]

Best one yet.

[@MonkeyLockpicks]

Great lock! Awesome engineering. A real nightmare for any picker!! @bosnianbill I'm waiting to see you pick one of the other locks I've sent to you months ago. Thanks for the great video as always!

[@SianaGearz]

Eeerily elegant!

[@jeffreyreindeer5351]

Very Very nice job!

[@kevku2010]

Is the pin designed such that you could have picked it the other direction, or does it bind counter-clockwise as well?

[@g2g591]

kevku2010 it would have bound both ways.

[@FusionDeveloper]

10:00 you can see the pin is centered when in the neutral position, so it would work in both directions.

[@Wrench245]

As a Texan I feel like owe you a case of Shiner Bock for wrestling with something put together by another Texan.

[@michaeltuckerman6983]

I'd really like to see the lock picking lawyer tackle that one

[@Otis884]

Great lock!

[@ryanott4746]

That is bad ass!! I need 1 or 2 just for fun

[@TristynRusselo]

The side pin prevents the sleeve from rotating and becoming a shim between the top and bottom pins.

[@hectordominguez7143]

Would you be able to pick it counterclockwise? Since the side pin might bind with the sleeve in that direction

[@hectordominguez7143]

Also shout out to Raymond I'm in El Paso also!!!!

[@AttilaAsztalos]

Unlikely. Take a look at 10:00 sharp, the side pin seems to have some clearance in both directions...

[@Narinjas]

This is a great tech ... When they will make locks like this comercially?!

[@josuelservin2409]

The fact that it can bind from time to time would make it not ideal as a normal lock, but as a challenge lock is certainty fantastic

[@krackerk141]

Great idea, well done. However, this lock could still be opened by impressioning. Lock companies should take note of 'amateurs' designs!

[@aikimark1955]

Really, really clever

[@jamesbaumfeld6126]

Would that not make this lock unpickable?

[@FusionDeveloper]

Not unpickable, he says you can rake it if you're lucky. The most challenging part,, is not knowing what is going on.

[@um5785]

Master you should license this idea........

[@aliceinmadseason2319]

Whats the big deal with assa pins? I've heard you talking about them before so im just curious... but definitely another great video bill, im your biggest fan!

[@bosnianbill]

They are steel pins, not brass, and have VERY sharp edges. There is virtually no feedback when you hit one of the low areas between the raised ridges. You can see what some of them look like in the Ruko video I made here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpDVp3idaNihidU

[@aliceinmadseason2319]

Bosnianbill roger that

[@JohnJackson66]

Was thinking about something very similar, glad someone made one.

[@michaelpitt524]

Whats the name of the tool he used to take the back off the cylinder

[@andersjjensen]

It is just a plug follower with the standard Schlage tailpiece shaped into it. You can get a plastic version from Sparrows for just under 2 Canadian dollars: www.sparrowslockpicks.com/product_p/rpf.htm

[@marymcdonagh4umcd545]

what sort of lock do you have on your house front door.

[@bosnianbill]

Abloy

[@5eba]

Why isn't this concept applied as a standard in all locks? It seems extremely effective en easy to implement.

[@bosnianbill]

Who is to say that a manufacturer won't see the idea and incorporate it into a future generation of their lock? After all, that's what the challenge lock series is all about - it allows lock tinkerers to show off their skills and security ideas. I have no doubt that some of the major lock makers are studying some of these ideas every time a video comes out. Now, if only one of them would offer me a sponsorship...

[@Mr078804]

Could you not reverse pick this lock

[@lockpickinmagician9262]

It's too bad this lock can't be sent to PickME 1977 ( the inventor of the very new *dragon pin* ) I'd love to see him try to open this, he's a top notch challenge lock maker. When you see these dragon pins he's creating and putting into challenge locks, you'll be amazed what they can to your feedback. Would love to see this lock with a few of those in it - most likey impossible to open. Anyone in the lock community think they can open this lock as it stands ? A very interesting concept indeed. It would be super interesting to see if anyone can open this.... Picke ME 1977, maybe Bobby Keyz ? ... Potti314 ? what about Tallan Pick, or maybe West Coast Picks, LockPickingLawyer, .... and let's not forget Trekmaster30 - the guy who makes some of the most amazing picks the community has ever seen -- anyway -... that would be fun to see ! a bunch of guys around a table trying their luck with this lock Bill !

[@thorlancaster5641]

You should have tried a comb pick, the ball bearings would have made that method work well.

[@AbstractBlend]

This is genius.

[@trixx9655]

that lock just looks evil to pick... i'll just stick with easier ones for now :)

[@72cmcinc]

Dang, that was literally "ball" bearing busting!

[@squirrelsrus1]

I wonder if a gun would get them all up quickly enough to pick it.

[@PaulSteMarie]

Explanation on the sleeve isn't quite right, and this would still be troublesome w/o spools. If the lock shears at the bottom line, the sleeve is kept from rotating by the top pins and the core's rotation is limited by the length of the slot on the side. Only if it shears at the top line can the sleeve rotate.

[@serdargentsch735]

I wished you would have sent it to chessguy. He should have pick it out of the box. Hahaha...

[@tuwuh5689]

brilliant

[@64akon]

this sleeve is like old Ruko locks

[@bird718]

wicked lock

[@egoleathergoodsnc4770]

this would tick me off

[@rigolgm]

Brilliant.

[@MrMannakin]

Evil genius!

[@coopssquad2610]

Could you have picked it the other way even not knowing the sleeve was there

[@Fruckert]

How many intros do you have, dude

[@turgsh01]

Genius!

[@soerenwizard]

Maybe next time you can use a cardboard tube.

[@h20gold3]

it would be cool if someone put resistors with cutted legs in lock! #myidea

[@ar-gaming9014]

me need to see this with lucas balls the id chain thing

[@MickInOhio]

Hey Bill not to drift off the subject of locksport or lockpicking, but I believe you have some diabetes or vitamin deficiency. I noticed this in your fingernails you might want to get it checked out. Thanks for the great videos and I appreciate everything you do for the community.👍(I also work for the federal government and I know that Healthcare is not a problem.) 😁

[@Mr.Plight]

I wonder how evil you could get with 3D printed locks and such.

[@bosnianbill]

I've used my 3D printer to make tools, pinning trays, even a key. But the ABS material I have isn't durable enough to make locks out of.

[@dirtybayadventures9563]

Smart

[@HermitBlake]

It's been around 2 months, don't tell me you haven't even picked my Defiant yet? :(

[@ParkTheSnark]

That was just nasty.

[@tomwilliams8675]

WOW

[@Drunken_Frog_40000]

Hello, challenge for you - tokoz gama pro

[@igorsvacic217]

Ray

[@jacksuquett1191]

Damn! I disliked this vid on accident, but I did fix it. I did not want to be the guy who ruined your flawless streak!

[@RPRosen-ki2fk]

How were you able to take it back / reverse it?

[@BlazeChronicGreen420]

R.P. Rosen just click the dislike button again.

[@RPRosen-ki2fk]

BlazeChronicGreen420 Thanks, so simple who da thunk. If it was only that easy for ... car accidents.