(1565) Sparrows Disc Detainer Pick Prototype

[@aussiecue]

As a locksmith, The depth markings need to be more visible, IE , like the LPL proto. We work in dark spaces sometimes Need shiney SS with black inlay. Not Black tacticool all over

[@rojo1795]

THIS!!!! Letting Sparrows handle this was a mistake. They are spending all their money on the tacticool instead of the business end. I can tell from the tip they have no idea what they are doing. Basically looks like he let teenagers loose with the CNC. If this was put in the hands of real toolmakers with production CNC experience the end results and price would be night and day.

[@iblackfeathers]

i was thinking of tritium markings but that would probably be too fancy & increase the cost, especially for a first version.

[@bmitchizzle]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the Batman aesthetic. SS all the way! Whatever color inlay you want. Red or bright blue would look awesome

[@tinpicker8688]

It's a hobby tool bro

[@aussiecue]

@@tinpicker8688 There is no such thing as a hobby lock picking tool! Only good ones and poor ones.

[@l-jpersson7532]

Black and red is hard to separate. Use brighter colour on the grading.

[@pagedeveloper]

If they can use a bright yellow, would be great. Also I think that the handles could be a little longer...

[@FusionDeveloper]

Or maybe different colors so you can remember "okay green moved, now i'm trying yellow, hmm, back to green" something like that, I'm not recommending those specific colors, JUST an idea, which is some way to identify each line as a unique line, without being visually overwhelming. Maybe just alternate 2 or 3 colors? I don't have any idea. I thought about hash marks, but probably a bad idea. I don't know, just throwing out some ideas.

[@docmeans]

Yeah the contrast is a little off. You won’t be able to see that in low light conditions. BB I love your videos.

[@rsswaffar]

Maybe keep them colorless. The luster of the raw metal would contrast great with the black (as long as the black coating doesn’t wear overtime to the same raw material luster) 👍🏼

[@seriousthree6071]

I know they love red but in this case yellow or white or other contrasting colour would be better. Red on black certainly looks good but isn't always practical. Although it might just be the limitations of the video I suspect not. This is in good lighting, not on a dark night.

[@Daddypants11]

I'd probably suggest that it gets shipped with an extra tip.

[@MelissiaBlackheart]

LPL mentioned they were thinking of doing exactly that, and selling tip sets separate.

[@Daddypants11]

@@MelissiaBlackheart lol, I just watched his video and heard that.

[@chriscapune7873]

Very excited about this tool! Great that the tips will hold up!! And would like to see two tips send with the tool!! Very nice!!! 👏👍👍👏🐈

[@KeylessEntry]

chris capune LPL mentioned Sparrows will be selling tips separately.

[@chriscapune7873]

Keyless Entry very cool!!! 👏👍👍👏🐈

[@disqusmacabre6246]

Thank you Bill LPL and Sparrows. It will be just a bit before I can order one but I WILL be ordering one. I hope this experience leads to additional collobrative projects. Best wishes to everyone!

[@Druid_Plow]

All of my thoughts have already been mentioned. Either by BB and LPL, or here in the comments. Slightly thinner tips. More visible marking for the disk spacing. Extra tips. Perhaps varying lengths as well. And a wide flat bar to zero disks. Overall 10/10 for a prototype, very minimal fine tuning before production is always expected.

[@friartuck103]

Instead of red on the part where it translates the discs, I think it should probably be white in those lines. The red on black is making it hard for my eyes to see and I am only 29. Granted I do have Glaucoma though, so it would also help for people with disabilities. Good luck, and Sparrows, please send me one... jk, haha Great video as always Bill.

[@ramrod126]

I just suggested silver, white would work well also.

[@sprouting_lady]

My eyesight is fine with glasses, and I have a hard time as well. Red and black just isn't a great color combo if you're using the red as a marker.

[@Nezha_Main]

they should use bright green....

[@dougmasten5517]

Ditto on prefer stainless with black lines vs. the current color scheme and include extra tip(s). Can't wait for them to come out!

[@timbober1]

The stainless steel pick LPL made is a work of machining art. Congratulations to both of you the series was fun and interesting

[@stevenbrayshaw6149]

Can't wait for these to go on sale ! Designed by two of the best pickers is definitely the way that a top company should be looking for new products and well done to sparrows for going with this

[@ptsebago1]

Hey Bill, I put this comment on LPL's video as well but I'll leave it here so hopefully you guys/Sparrows see it. Definitely hyped to see that they're following through on making it but also not gonna lie...yours looks WAY better and more professional. The black finish looks like its fading away fast and the knurling that they did instead makes it look like a toy. Definitely hope that the final product is more refined from Sparrows and that they have a silver option for it like yours as it looks way better. Maybe you could pass on the suggestion that they offer it in the silver as well as from reading the comments it seems like I'm far from the only one who thinks yours is more professional looking. Either way great work!!!

[@responseability2624]

I am beyond ready to preorder my *Sparrows Disc Detainer Pick* Courtesy *LPL, BB* right this very second!!! "I'll take two please" let's get the color way out of the way and get this thing to production!

[@garywilliams3444]

I think for the gate graduations, instead of having several vertical lines, one vertical line on each side of the barrel and then show the graduations on the handle. you could also add numerical markings for added information

[@brianhignett8954]

Better contrast between the tool color and the disc spacing marks would be an improvement I believe. Also Bill when rotating the discs, one direction will pull the disc away from the side bar - no gate will be felt, rotating it back pushes the disc towards the sidebar - gate can be felt. There is a certain amount of "slop" in the plastic disc housing, less in a metal housing. Same principle can apply when manipulating a safe combination lock. Regards, Brian.

[@eak125]

I noticed that with the nose extended, you get very little tip left. Maybe an optional extra long tip wire so in case of that super deep set lock, you have the ability to get to the disks in the back. I also agree with others about the color choices for the lines. Sparrow's colors are red, black and grey/silver. Maybe go the with grey/silver for the line colors for added visibility. Other than that, it looks amazing.

[@mpservicesdave9649]

Maybe a night crawler addition and one for professional locksmiths of all SS with black or darker lines.... DC

[@robdawg1017]

That’s amazing Bill! Although, I’m a fan of the stainless look

[@RadioManVeteran]

Your suggestion at the end of the video was spot on about the tip. However, like is reflected by a few other comments, I think the markings on a black surface should be white or silver to give better contrast. The red is hard to see especially if you are trying to pick in less than perfect lighting conditions.

[@fedboiextraordinaire]

Sparrows- Just make an exact copy and everything will be golden. Literally.

[@tharagleb]

Red on black is an absolutely horrible color combination for trying to see anything. It's okay for the logo, but not for the markings.

[@MilkmanWes]

Agreed, white on the shaft for the marks

[@bloodmoongrizzlythefirst6492]

i agree white on the shaft.

[@Leroys_Stuff]

White or contrast I’m color blind that was hard to see

[@stownhinge]

or fluorescent green :)

[@mfydragon]

@@stownhinge I agree with you. ABout to suggest the same. Would be super nice if they can use fluorescent paint on the marking

[@lowellforbes3208]

Put my vote in for plain silver steel over the black Vote everyone here

[@ChristmasLore]

Indeed! It looks nothing like their beautiful prototype! It's also way bulkier.

[@billhenderson731]

Agree with previous comments, re the colour. Need to see the lines more clearly (and provide another tip) Also need them to heed your comments re their interpretation of the prototype Sparrows will need to manufacture a ‘shed load’ of these, to prepare for the orders that will flood in once it comes onto the market 👍

[@johnfrancisdoe1563]

Ship and pack with the side handles unscrewed. Saves space for shipping and can be kept in two pockets of a regular tool set.

[@WickdPerfekT]

Or folding handles.

[@benjaminhackett8896]

@@WickdPerfekT That's what I was thinking, but that would unfortunately make it more complicated to machine and push the tool more toward the premium side.

[@davidolson7575]

Silver is a better color, clearly Easier to see the gate lines.

[@Nezha_Main]

true, but green is easier for the eye to perceive, maybe a silver green if that even exist, but green is certainly better if you wanna go based off of whats a easier color to see.

[@RAkers-tu1ey]

Yep, its the markings... sharper, brighter, and lighter. Maybe even luminous? Keep the red logo though... looks cool

[@adamwest8711]

I actually watched some of those old videos the other day. I like going back and watching old videos sometimes. Congrats on this collab.

[@MerkDolf]

I am happy to see that Sparrows has taken this to the next step after all you and LPL did to get it to them.

[@OneIroNauT_1]

Congrats on getting your idea, then tool to market. The community will be better for it.

[@garyanvil2354]

Nice job... extra tips would be nice

[@doublejaylar]

Some more contrast between the markings on the shaft & the shaft itself would be beneficial.

[@insoft_uk]

I don’t like the black, the silver looks more pro and nicer the black ok but I prefer the original

[@NetAndyCz]

Actually I like the black, but the red marking should be changed to yellow or something for greater contrast.

[@chrisl7228]

I like the red and black, I think they could do a silver and offer alternative finishes so everyone can be happy 😊

[@dalem.3147]

Yeah, go with the silver and red markings like the prototype that the LPL built.

[@RuneInternational]

A sparrows product not designed by lock noob. Looks really great.

[@MobileTradr]

Awesome!! I’m looking forward to seeing the final product!! Definitely going to be picking a few up!!!

[@DocRigel]

Awesome work! Sparrows is a great company with quality products. Can't wait for this to come out!

[@linux4me28]

Thank you Sparrows! I was wondering when this was coming to the public.

[@KeylessEntry]

Thank you BB, LPL and Sparrows👍 Can't wait to get my hands on one but the tip should be made from a solid single piece imo. Now onto designing a rear tensioning DD pick.

[@LeCafeRacer]

As a machinist; single solid piece isn't feasible unless you want to pay $30+ a tip...You would have to take a 3/16" stainless rod and turn it down to be the wire diameter (thats even if you could turn something down to wire diameters without it flexing). Then take the entire piece and put it into a mill just to put flats on the tip. Most shops would avoid a project like that and flat out refuse the job even if you payed them well for it. Right now you just take wire and weld on a stamped sheet metal tip. Probably 1/50th the cost.

[@KeylessEntry]

R. G. I'm not a machinist myself but yeah a good point otherwise it would get expensive very quickly. I have seen a fellow picker find a solid piece with the correct thickness of the stem and then silver solder a tip to modify one of those cheap Chinese DD picks, seems to hold up quite well. He used a metal rod from a plastic injection molding machine and is just the perfect thickness.

[@EnzoGuardino]

Congratulations Bill and LPL. It's fantastic to see your design already in the prototype stage by the ever industrious, Sparrows. 👏 I agree with the majority of the comments about the colour/contrast of the handle/markers. My idea would be to have thin silicone O-rings in the marker grooves. In my opinion, it would have a few advantages. 1) give visible and tactile indication of moving along the disk stack. 2) Act to cushion and centre the handle, making it less wobbly and remain in position if you let go of it. 3) The O-rings would decay and break over time, but I can't see replacements being a problem. 4) Finally, the rings could come in different colours, glow-in-the-dark, etc., allowing everyone to customise the markers as they please. 👍

[@petdetect]

I'm looking forward to this commercial release!

[@preacherF-15]

Sparrows is my favorite lockpick company for a good reason. Their commitment to quality and their ability to deliver it are refreshing attributes in today's business world. I'm glad y'all chose to go with them. I believe I have one or more of everything they make except the revolver, and soon, I hope, that disc pick. Looks like it's time to break out the ol' MasterCard again. :) Congrats on your new pick guys! Well done.

[@tonyholt90]

So good to see! Looking forward to seeing how much it's going to cost !

[@David_M395]

Personally I think silver with black markings would be better

[@agentvx8320]

"If you see anything you want changed" Just the fact that I don't have one...

[@eugenedevins1157]

Yes!!!!

[@Epicentr]

AWESOME! Great job to both of you! I'm so excited to get my hands on one.

[@hauptmannoffensichtlich2312]

Some ideas I had while watching this video: - Change the scale color from red to yellow - Add Numbers to the scale, maybe? - At minimum tip depth, the scale should max out. Might be doable with proper documentation on fixing the tip, maybe? - Random idea (might be nonsense): If the tip shaft is sqared at the other end in the handle, it won't rotate on high torque on the set screw, also the scale could then be "zeroed out" maybe, if that helps somehow.

[@darynjimison1695]

How about adding serrations to the sides of tensioner like they do on the top of the key way tensioner? And/or hardening that area to help with longevity of the tool.

[@madnut666]

Agree on color of grading needs better contrast. Cant wait to get one.

[@eddiecheney4548]

How long do we have to wait for one of those beautiful peace tools

[@petewoodfine2100]

Hi Bill. What about adding different tension pieces. Longer and shorter prongs. Might be of benefit if trying and odd keyway. Just a thought.

[@JohnLeePettimoreIII]

Differently dimensioned/shaped noses to provide better seating for tensioning various lock profiles, depths, and/or configurations. Hexagonal/octagonal nose for adjustment of angle. Differently dimensioned/shaped tips. Wires with different thicknesses of tips. For thicker and thinner discs. Lightly serrated surfaces on the nose to provide better grip for tension. Lightly serrated tip to reduce slipping while manipulating the discs. More visible color scheme. Black red might be good enough for the folks in Sales, but if it's hard to see the index marks, it'll be hard to use. Integral disc reset tool. Include any tool(s) needed for changing tips or maintaining the pick.

[@mpservicesdave9649]

And make all parts replaceable so mods can be made for special locks and/or breakage. DC

[@haberdashery314]

@Bosnianbill: you say marking spacing matches disk spacing. I am surprised that is universal. Seems that changing that -- or even varying it within a core -- would be a good way to slow down a picker.

[@121dodgers]

Extra tips... Tip size variation...

[@Micko350]

Bill wouldn't you need to loosen the tip/nose tensioning snout & re-adjust once it's in the keyway so the gates line up correctly with the tool/lock? 🤔

[@lowellforbes3208]

This was 4 months ago. Any news yet on the release and price?

[@Timbo63a]

As others noticed the color of the rings seemed off - but I think it would be better to have either alternating red and white, or maybe red and 3-4 whites, then red again. But your eyes would be able to quickly gauge how far along you are so you could get back to the same spot (like a ruler).

[@kitekingbud]

Agree with the squaring of the nose and brighter colors on the registration lines .

[@KGiustOD]

Could they add a single ball bearing under the collar of the sliding handle that would act as a detent against the shaft rings? This would help you feel your movements to the different points. It would also help you stay in place when applying torque. Just a thought.

[@NavigatedChaos]

Only thing I can think of would be a option in brass and to supply replacement heads there if they break.

[@thelockpickinglebowski633]

Good review. Even after Sparrows offers these for sale, I'll still be waiting a while until the final product is proven technology.

[@HSishi]

I see one thing for improvement. The tensioner could get some markings / depth scale too so an experienced picker can adjust the tensioner to the correct depth to catch the targeted disc. Not sure if locks can have discs with different thickness.

[@donovintripp1]

Sparrows needs to sale these for sure

[@Polite_Cat]

i agree with all the commenters. a different color scheme would be better, specifically to see the lines better. i think if there was 3 alternating colors that might be good too, and maybe small dots inbetween the main lines to help keep track of position.

[@robertoaguilar5958]

Yes! At long last it's here!

[@Djohno2701]

I have got one of these now, great bit of kit. Wondering whether you have plans to design one for rear tensioning like for Oxford bike locks? Or a way that these could be altered with a kit to turn them into one that would work?

[@randyporter3491]

Sparrows left out the knurling you and LPL designed and I much prefer your design. The stainless looks like a “tool”, where the black looks cheap.

[@stevesteve6506]

Excellent!! Need one!

[@Ben7seven7]

Nice pick, in addition to the indicator lines you have I’d also like to see an additional set of indicators that also include numbers for easy reference.

[@chocolips6345]

This prototype is beautiful! You go Sparrows :-)

[@glenaw]

I think as a locksmith as well, it should have a good contrasting so that it can be more easily read. Even though Sparrows might be going for a hobbyist market it would be good business sense to include the locksmithing market, they will make your products more sustainable in the long term. Make your products well and they will support you for a long time!

[@cmoon1498]

A highlighted mark to show 0 degrees of rotation to help get the tip in and out of the lock

[@Lee784447]

Fantastic video Bill!

[@LogiForce86]

Maybe add different depth noses? Since you grabbed the 1st disc beyond the tensioning one on this one. With those noses being interchangable it might not be such a bad idea. Just 3 noses will suffice. Shallow, normal and deep depth. Also a reserve tip might be handy, just in case.

[@sig1014]

Here take my money.... I'm super excited to see this beautiful pick become something I can get my hands on... I was about to buy a lathe

[@arthurkurtz2448]

Torque is cheap...but I suspect this finished product won't be. Great design and I am sure this will be a great tool. Congratulations!

[@Ben7seven7]

Also including or having as an add on some different sized tips would be nice for those especially right key ways. That and a tensioner to zero out the disks.

[@ratatosk2515]

It has the Sparrows Look! Love it

[@ImGumbyDangit]

Dam, I just saw the picture and didn't watch the video yet, headed right over to Sparrows but not listed yet - Now I see this is still prototype. Cant wait for the real deal. - Now to watch the Video

[@htmagic]

BosnianBill, that is great news! That Sparrows device looks awesome! I love the case that it came with. I will have to start saving my pennies as I want to pick up one of these new picks!

[@keithsweet8840]

htmagic Just wait for the 3D printed version coming to a website near you, Just buy the tips from sparrows.

[@FlexDRG]

Looks nice. Might it work to put a clamp (ER collet / dremmel style) on the back to hold the pick? This way you don't need an Allen key to adjust the position. But it would add significant cost :(

[@AquaTech225]

Any time estimate on when these will drop for sale?

[@prestonbowers4768]

if the perpendicular cut grooves on the end worked for seeing how much you are turning the pick is there a reason you wouldn't want that on the rest of the handle?

[@ehsnils]

I wonder if having a splined part of the tensioner instead of a square would be even better to allow for even more angles when doing tensioning. Or maybe it doesn't really matter in the end. I don't know - just an idea. As for color - make it orange or yellow with black lines instead for marking the steps. Black tools looks cool, but sometimes it's dark when you need it.

[@jezman1966]

I so want one of those, can’t wait for them to go on sale.

[@mpservicesdave9649]

ME 2 ...... 2 2 2 2 2

[@sarumayne]

I would like a variety of tips, so I don't have to modify and potentially destroy a tip trying to get it smaller or shape it into a specific profile. A slimmer profile case would be cool too, like where you disassemble the tool partially to put it up . Rubber grips wouldn't be too shabby either, imo. Some sort of cog wheel shaped handle for the tip would be a neat option too. Optional logo for lock lab or lpl would be fun too

[@270Gmoney]

Been anxiously waiting for this!

[@madbstard1]

There needs to be an inscription on it. Sorta like BB/LPL . You guys need recognition for what could be a big seller for Sparrows.

[@bentoombs]

Very nice tool. Can't wait to buy one

[@curlyvideos]

I hope the tip can fit into a good variety of keyways. It looks rectangular, but some keyways are hourglass-shaped.

[@BWORKZ_SouthWales]

Great work guys

[@uptown4321]

I may be late to add my two cents.. but what about indicator lines on the adjustable tip as well. Judging just based on what I can see in the video, adjusting the tip length would have an effect on how the lines on the handle line up, no?

[@lordsethos2000]

i really need one of these - cannot wait!

[@tarehjernetarehjerne4082]

Many dd locks have profile on the cap over the spinner. That nose will not fit in there, maybe include some narrowed noses?

[@tarehjernetarehjerne4082]

This lock is a great example www.biltema.no/bygg/las/hengelas/hengelas-klasse-4-2000031029

[@eak125]

I agree. If they piece this set out so that you can get extra noses & wires, you could always buy more and modify them for the keyways/spinners that you come across.

[@Daddypants11]

Awesome! Congratulations Bill! 🤘😎

[@Mitra3050]

How about some treading on the front with a nut, so that you can ajust the nut on to the lock when you've got that first disc? That way it would be more stabile.

[@Commander_ZiN]

I'm a lock picking noob that hasn't lock picked for over a year and a bit, I might have to get back into it when these come out :)

[@wiggledig7837]

skull!! your so lucky i cant beleave they did that thats so awesome

[@badcallsign4204]

The wider section added to the grip is nice, but it partially defeats the purpose of having a flat tool to fit better in the pocket of a case.

[@caseysovey8609]

add an O-ring to the main shaft that the handle rides on for depth stop

[@jfirebaugh]

I think it needs closer tolerances between the shaft and the ears. Leave as much metal on the ears as possible to give them as much strength as possible.

[@bigtonka82]

I agree with a lot of the people in the comments, the color contrast needs adjusted for higher visibility. Overall it's a nice prototype.

[@The_Corner_Of]

I'm new to this,and what your doing is great. I'd buy this one,and the abloy pick, I've seen.

[@The_Corner_Of]

To be more specific: one like this..kzbin.info/www/bejne/panJhqCZgt-rZpo

[@23bogdan]

Hope they will produce it asap....

[@thumperlockpicking9269]

I really love what Sparrows made, but on the prototype I like the grove lines channeled in on yours the red not to much. It's the red that makes it a little bit harder to see. (Maybe is me) But if they were cut in I would like it better. Thank you Mr.Bill