Bow Test-Nawalny Turkish

Another bow test video from Tirendâz team. Lukasz Nawalny is a renowned bowyer, a fine archer and a friend. He gave me a newly manufacured model, a laminated Ottoman Turkish bow with an awesome (synthetic) horn substitute used on its belly side. We tested the bow, analyzed its performance quantitatively and also gave marks for its features that can be evaluated qualitatively only.

[@ambidextrousarchery]

Thorough, intentional, and scientific. Fantastic review 🙇🏻‍♂️🏹

[@abdulkabza]

Thank you!

[@jJeremyRoot]

Murat! You are superior to a stormtrooper! You hit what you shoot at!

[@abdulkabza]

:)

[@buddelfrosch8165]

Nice Test Murat. My turkish bow (long version) from Lukasz with 55 pounds on 33" draw length gives with a 10gpp arrow (550 grain) on 33" draw length also a arrow speed round about 210 fps. I think this is in the same range, like your testing and shows, that the overall quality of his bows is very good and consistence.

[@abdulkabza]

Thank you for the data! Yes, Nawalny bows are excellent as for their performance and finishing. This is the only one I testes, and as seen, test results are awesome!

[@jareth7456]

Hey Murat ...it's Barton...how have you been my friend? I've been looking forward to you evaluation of the Nawalney Turkish bow ...I have the very same one and am very pleased with it . Great review as always good science, as I said when we first met this work is extremely important I'm shocked no one else had taken up the work earlier, it needs done and I'm very glad that it's being done by you . One of these days when you have time you'll have to come out and go huntin

[@abdulkabza]

Thank you very much, Buddy! Dreamin of bowhunting together one day.

[@pancerny565]

such beautiful bow, i will be at some point contacting Lukasz and get one for me self

[@abdulkabza]

Undoubtedly you won't regret!

[@MrTheFu1981]

Hello Mr Murat. I have been following your channel for a while and I like your format. Especially your video where you explain the different draw types I have often watched. I have a question for you. I would like to buy a bow made in Turkey. A bow that is very close to an Ottoman bow. Lukasz Nawalny would be a possibility but this bow would not be original from Turkey... that is very important to me. Is there a manufacturer you can recommend? I look forward to a reply from you. Many greetings from Germany :-)

[@abdulkabza]

Hello! Thanks a lot for this positive feed-back! As you may have seen we have tested bows of a few Turkish bowyers. In our group we are using Keskin and Şimşek bows cause we confirmed their energy efficiency and durability as well as good finishing. Keskin makes laminated bows (has just a all-resin bow for beginners) and Şimşek's models are all all-resin. Şimşek bows are more "look-alike" with their kasan ridge since it isn't easy to make a kasan in laminated bows and Keskin don't do it either. I'd recommend the bows of both bowyers and you can see the data ve harvested in our tests in the related videos.

[@MrTheFu1981]

Thank you very much for the quick answer. I will take a look at these two manufacturers again. The bows from Simsek are beautiful... especially with painting. Thank you for your expertise.

[@pemanahpemalas1929]

Mr Murat. Great video. But, next time maybe try using wireless mic. In some clips your voice are not clear. But again, great video.

[@abdulkabza]

Thanks for the tip!

[@arnaulpujol8439]

Muy buenos esos arcos el mango y las palas el tamaño muy bueno uno asi me quiero comprar

[@matthewdee6023]

Nice! You said that it shoots like a horn bow, are there any other bowyers you can name who make bows that shoot the same?

[@abdulkabza]

There are many good bowyers who manufacture excellent, smooth-shooting bows. Please take a look at my other test videos.

[@jareth7456]

If I may answer Per Murat..this is Barton. If you want a bow as similar as possible to a composite / horn bow ...I'd direct you to Csaba Grozer , his bows are actually made with the exact same materials as a horn bow ..that is it'll have a wood core a horn belly and sinew back ..However Csaba uses modern glue and other modern tech material making his bows much more stable and less finicky than an actual composite bow but his bows are likely the very closest one can get to a composite...the big difference is in the price ..where a horn bow will cost over $3000 a biocomposite from Csaba Grozer will run you around 350 euro . I highly recommend a grozer biocomposite bow

[@matthewdee6023]

@@jareth7456 Thanks, you're another person who's said that. I've been eyeing them up for a while, but will wait till my technique improves a bit - it may sound corny, but I'd like to have put as much effort into my technique as he's put into his bow-building before buying one.

[@abdulkabza]

@@jareth7456 Thank you! I am aware of Grozer's composite bows. He is a great bowyer for sure but his Turkish composites are a bit overbuilt and therefore too slow. Making a composte bow makes send if t works under high strain therefore stores and transfers high energy. I like his laminated bows that we found to have excellent energy efficiencies and great finishing like any other bow of him. His biocomposite also nice as for the similarity to an organic composite. We tested it 6 years ago and it revealed great energy efficieny as well, being a bit behind Lukasz's bow though. Of course it should be taken into consideration that the horn-lke synthetic materal could have been improved in time and reelty produced Grozer biocomps may perform as good or better I don't know. That Lukasz bow is a bit longer than many originals may also be another reason for being the 2nd in comparison energywise.

[@fathor9047]

Hocam nispeten ağır oklarla (10 gpp) handshockun hissedilir şekilde azaldığını söyleyebilirmiyiz? En azından bu yayda?

[@abdulkabza]

Kesinlikle doğru! 10 gpp'de yay çok rahat!

[@fathor9047]

@@abdulkabza Ben bu yayın kısa versyonunu sipariş ettim, önerilen asgari ok ağırlığı 7gpp. Yayın nasıl olacağını çok merak ediyorum!

[@mccarthy86]

The issue with historically correct bows is that they were made for shorter people, assuming the 16th century Turk was shorter than modern. So me being 5'11" (180 cm), surely I would need an upscaled Turkish bow if I wanted the same experience and using the same technique?

[@abdulkabza]

It is an urban myth that the typical Turkish bow was short! Kâtip Abdullah Çelebi gives the dimensions of bows in his book written in the 17th century. In the Topkapı Palace Museum's collection the longest bow is 135cm-long. It would comfortably been drawn to 30 inches, I think. And for taller people who draw longer there were Crimean Tatar bows some of which were very long according to the same source.

[@mccarthy86]

@@abdulkabza Yeah I can imagine that an army had people of all sizes and so bowyers would then have to make different sized bows. Maybe only if you were rich enough for a custom one.

[@abdulkabza]

@@mccarthy86 I think that longer bows re norm in armies. That's why in European collections, mainly the booties taken after the II. Siege of Vienna, there are numerous Crimean Tatar bows.

[@aslanbosnakoglu8240]

simsek is better?

[@abdulkabza]

Better in which sense? All the bows are evaluated qualitatively and quantitatively. Their energy storage and transfer capabilities, draw and design characteristics were revealed. Good, better or best depend on what you are lookng for.

[@tryllon4774]

Hocam diğer dayıları dayılamasan da bi muhabbet sohbet etseniz, sevgiler :)

[@abdulkabza]

Hahahaha! Niye yahu? Diğer dayılarla ahbaplığınız mı var? Vallahi bakın, öyle "dayılar" var ki, biz bilgisizliklerine tahammül bile edemezken, acayip bir özgüvenle çıkıp yalan yanlış şeyler söylüyorlar. Bir de binlerce izlenme alıyorlar. Yalan-yanlış bilginin yayılmasına müdahale edemiyoruz zaten, bari bu "dayıları" dayılayalım yahu!

[@tryllon4774]

@@abdulkabza Hocam; bunu yaptığınız işe tonlarca saygı duyarak söylüyorum ama siz egoist birisiniz. Havadaki oktan çok kendi kollarınız ve ilintili KZbin yorumları ile ilgileniyorsunuz. Sizinle aynı odada bulunup ders almak nasıldır tahmin edemiyprum. Size böyle kişisel, böyle şahsî bir mesaj atmamın tek sebebi var, istemeseniz bile Türkiye'de en iyisi sizsiniz. Kızsanız bile; saygılar :)

[@abdulkabza]

@@tryllon4774 Vallahi tam olarak anlayamadım. Kollarımla ilintili hangi yorumlarla ilgileniyormuşum? Benim göremediğim ve başkasının gördüğü yorumlar mı var videolarımın altında? Yazdıklarınızı doğru anladıysam, bana yakıştırdığınız sıfatın doğrusu "narsist" olacak, "egoist" değil!

[@tryllon4774]

@@abdulkabza Daha iyisini söylediniz, okçuluk sanatının kendimizden daha fazla gelişmesi dileklerim ile :)

[@abdulkabza]

@@tryllon4774 Sanat insan altyapısı olmadan nasıl gelişecek? Kendi kendine mi? İşte tam da bu sebeple o öteki dayılara dayılanıyorum. Kimin ne yaptığı, ne kadar yaptığı, ne kadar doğru yaptığı, bizden sonraki nesiller tarafından değerlendirilecek.

[@eheller3]

Hello Mr. Ozveri, I really like what you do und what you teach. Is it possible to train at your school? I don't live in turkey, but I would really like to train with you for some time, maybe multiple times for a week or two. Thank you for your answer. I also sent you private messages on insta & facebook.