Boyds Gunstocks: "How to Size your Firearm to Fit your Body: Measuring Length of Pull"

[@regsparkes6507]

This is the first time I have heard / seen this explained properly.

[@danjohnson1645]

Everytime I get home late and tell my wife where I've been, the darn measurement changes! Seriously, this was a great video and thank you for your excellent explanation and great presentation style. Well done!

[@dougbennett5977]

The best explanation on the web of "how to" determine your personal stock fit

[@dennisschmidt3859]

I been watching many videos on this LOP.. and this explanation is the first I came across that is best explained..

[@phantomshtter]

Well he says where it touches and then he marks where the tip of his nose stopped, so if this is the best explanation out there, I should just wing it.

[@itleglitch]

I actually called Boyd's back in 2005 and asked if getting a LOP longer than their regular 13" was possible; unfortunately it was not at that time. It's great to see it is now an option. had to use an extended butt piece to give me the 14.5" I had become accustomed to.

[@BradYaeger]

Geez, how did i miss this all my years?? I have super long arms and wide shoulders . Every rifle i have has always felt short and cramped to me.

[@boydsgunstocks]

It makes all the difference in the world!

[@marcusaurelius9736]

I did this technique on three different rifles and got the same result: LOP = 16.5". Which explains why no rifles ever fit me without adding spacers of my own. Interestingly, the old timey wisdom of measuring from elbow crook to tip of trigger finger is also 16.5" on me. Thanks for the video.

[@ranjohn8065]

Marcus Aurelius i have the same length of pull. could you tell me where you got a stock to fit that lop

[@marcusaurelius9736]

Randy John, it depends on the rifle in question. Below is what I've done for those that I have bothered with. I don't hunt much and I'm down to two such rigs: a Kimber 22 and an old Win model 70. I started with scrap blocks of 8/4 soft maple inserted between the stock and the butt plate. Longer screws/bolts are of course needed. I shaped them (rasps, files, sandpaper) to flow with the stock. A bit of brown stain makes them not stand out too much. These are tools and I don't much care what they look like but I do want them to fit well. For an m4/ar15 carbine, any typical adjustable stock at full extension is fine. I have an m16a4 civilian near clone and its fixed length a2 buttstock - much maligned by actual Marines as too long - works fine for me. I don't wear body armor and I don't pretend that I'll ever have the need to clear rooms. Plus guys with our LOPs are considerably taller than average. The only other rifle I adjust is a big-dollar precision rifle with a big-dollar Manners stock with adjustable length and cheek rise. This gets fired prone 95% of the time and adjustments were just made until I liked them. I've never measured it. Everything else I just use as is.

[@ranjohn8065]

Thanks! I too have an m4 carbine and the adjustable stock. Now, my build is a Remington 700 sps tactical with the 20in bull barrel. The hogue stock is terrible.can you post the website for precision rig plz.

[@ranjohn8065]

I've had no luck findimg a adj lop

[@marcusaurelius9736]

I do not have photos of the rifle's butt end. However, a search like "mcmillan stock adjustable length of pull" will bring up professional photos of the system. It's just a collection of shim pieces to add and remove. My stock is actually from Manners, but it's the same idea as McMillan uses. McMillan is a much larger manufacturer so there are more pics for them. That should get you going with search terms and links.

[@yodasecondave]

Great video about an all to often overlooked issue (a critical one at that)

[@MD-kv1lz]

Very useful video. My LOP is fine on my Model 700 when wearing street clothes but most of my hunting in Montana involves very bulky winter clothing which really messes with my LOP and sight picture. Looking at getting the butt cut down to fit my real hunting conditions.

[@windseeker2357]

Just ordered an At One Stock for my 870 Remington. Should be here tomorrow. Now I know how to adjust the length of pull Thanks.

[@RoofLiberty8]

Excellent explanation. Really helped. Thank you.

[@jasonwalker6253]

I can not wait until next year. I am buying a Boyd for my 50th birthday to go on my birthday gift I am also buying Remmington 700 6.5creed...... Boyds Featherweight Thumbhole is going to loooook so sweet. Thanks Boyds for making such a great product cant wait to hold it 😍

[@boydsgunstocks]

We absolutely love that you are choosing Boyds' for your mile marker gift. Happy early birthday! We can't wait to build your stock for you. Thank for your business!

[@mikex691]

I called Rem and they said they dont make 700 in 6.5 cm. I got a 700 in 308 and put on a 6.5 barrel.

[@HarrysHouseChannel]

This is just the vid i was looking for! I was about to order one of your stocks

[@nickhorton785]

Terrific information. Always thought my Sauer was a little long. Thank you.

[@tletang]

Thanks for the great video, I'll give it a shot and add the custom LOP on my Boyds order.

[@Journeyman-Fixit]

Great information on determining the length of pull. Thank you.

[@winnmahuron6314]

Thank you Randy for sharing this video.

[@jsl1497]

Very good video. At 6'7" I have to adjust length of pull on every firearm I own. This was helpful. thank you.

[@saxman7131]

Dominion Outfitters I'm 6'7" tall as well.

[@lazydragonslayer]

Scott Johnson I’m 6’ 10”

[@HuskyKMA]

6'7" Club, the struggle is real!

[@xrayer98]

2 meter club in the house. Yup, very hard to find rifles to fit

[@daleyadventures3896]

6'8", been hunting with the same rifle since I was 12 (I'm 30 now). I've adapted cuz I haven't thought about it, but, missed easy shots the last 2 years because I have to get in weird positions. Time to make a change!

[@cadmancadman1506]

Very simple and valuable info. Thanx!

[@jonenglish6617]

Thanks for this video Randy.

[@smokedbrisket3033]

I wonder what it'll take to stretch my Montana model 99 from 13 3/4" back to 16". Probably will tame the recoil on my 404J quite a bit.

[@deeluve22]

Great video! Thank you for spreading the info!

[@Ratlins9]

Very informative, thanks Randy.

[@dawson91b]

That was the first thing I noticed on my Remington 700 XCR. The length of pull is way too short for me. Can not wait till my platinum shows up!

[@johnpaton8047]

Thanks, Randy. Great info.

[@sab605]

Pinocchio's LOP must be 17 1/4 inches. Nice video, thank you for posting it.

[@JinkxSoldga]

Truly exceptional and helpful video, thanks!! Right on the money!!!

[@backcheck31]

Outstanding video! Thank you.

[@ocdmachine]

Most helpful video, THANKS!

[@cfvrq]

My cousin is a cosmetic surgeon, I’ll just have him make my nose longer or shorter.🤣🤣🤣

[@mwhiton541]

does this method apply for a rifle shot only in the prone position? I am bulding a rifle specifically for prone shooting.

[@jagmotorsports]

If I have a big nose and take a measurement and a person who has an identical build and arm length as me but has a shorter, flatter nose, this method would determine a vastly different length of pull for identically built people. The length of pull could change as much as 3/4 of an inch or more depending on the size of two individual’s noses. What am I missing?

[@edadpops1709]

Randy, Hello i have a marlin 336. Racking the lever throws my point of aim off because i have to cant the gun to complete level action,so second shots are really slow. How do you fit the butt or cast on a lever action?

[@freedomfighter0011]

Ok so if i understand this correctly, my stock was 13 3/4" but i had an extra 1/4 to add so i guess that means my stock is a touch too short and i need a 14" L.O.P. stock.

[@mikeandbeckynevada]

Great video! Important information.

[@jeremygibson228]

I don't quite understand and I don't care who picks on me for asking because asking and asking and asking is wise and what got me through school but let me get this right. If my nose mark is in front I add that difference between the marks and if it's behind that mark I subtract the difference to get the length I need?

[@jeremygibson228]

I got it! Thanx

[@boydsgunstocks]

@@jeremygibson228 Sounds good! For anyone else wondering, if your nose mark is in front of the first mark, add the difference to 13 3/4". If it is behind the mark, subtract the difference from 13 3/4".

[@thejohnsons7901]

Same question as below, thanks.

[@christosdouskos]

Can’t be using blaser rifles for a demo and not make blaser stocks ! In all seriousness love your products! Please start making stocks for the blaser r93

[@APlagueOfButterflies]

What about adjusting the comb, and the cast?

[@TheHybridHunter307]

5 3/4" back on my Pro Varmint is within the pistol grip?

[@SNInc]

I used to hold my rifle like you till I took my pal.. firearm course. And was taught to do it allot different. 45 your legs to target square up the rest of your body. So I'm guessing that will affect lop.

[@sunsetgundog]

With my Bettinsoli 12g shotgun, the tip of the top lever is in the same vertical plane as the finger rest on the trigger i.e. where you would measure the 5 3/4 " from. Is this a coincidence or a handy short cut for most o/u shotguns?

[@johnpekarski5030]

Thank you for the information

[@CRR60mg]

@boydsgunstocks does the 5 3/4" apply to kids as well?

[@pauldow1648]

Consideration to your clothing thickness. A less precise but informative measurement is position and site, then bring arm with gun outward to a 90* angle bend at the elbow. Ideal is to have 0.5" space between butt and upper arm at the elbow. More than 0.5 ? Lop is too short, you need longer stock.

[@sgtjarhead99]

Great video.

[@LANewspace]

Odd that noses are used as a reference point since they come in varying shapes and sizes. But I'll give it a go nonetheless! Thanks.

[@luissandoval4093]

Thank you for the explanation. Just want to know in the configuration page of Boyd's, if you choose, let's say a 13 3/4 length of pull stock, then you have to add in the order the recoil pad. Let's say 1/2 pad., the question is: the final result of length would be 14 1/4" right? In this case, you have to consider as an extra the pad for the total length?

[@C.Double.]

No, if the total LOP is going to be 13 3/4" then you subtract the 1/2" pad from that. So the stock would then be 13 1/4" for a total of 13 3/4" with the pad.

[@barrychandler4486]

@@C.Double. what he said is correct.

[@upperleftcoastchelseafan7718]

Is this the same for shotguns or just rifles? Thanks, great videos by the way, very helpful.

[@boydsgunstocks]

This would be the same for shotguns and lever-actions. At this time, we do not offer different Length of Pull options for shotguns or lever-actions.

[@alamofighter]

I followed these instructions three time and came up with only a 11 5/8 stock from trigger to but end. But, I'm 5-10 with 26 inch arm length - Does that sound right? Also, of the 63% what percentage were under the standard 13.5?

[@boydsgunstocks]

That sounds very short for your height. If you have a firearm with a comfortable length of pull we recommend measuring that distance. 63% of shooters.

[@donovancorcoran1392]

Can a proper LOP be different for different rifles on the same shooter? I did this test with two different rifles- one has a Monte Carlo style stock, the other was an AR15. In both cases, marked off 5.75" from the trigger as per video and shouldered the rifle. On the Monte Carlo, I ended up being right on, so apparently I am one of the 38% that fits a standard 13.75" LOP. On the AR however, I landed 1.5" behind the mark. This was with the stock fully extended, which gives about a 13" LOP. But according to the video, if I'm behind the mark 1.5", I should shorten the LOP 1.5". Doing that on a 6 position AR stock means collapsing it several notches. And it just doesn't feel right. When I first got an AR, I just assumed I'd use it fully extended, because I'm 6'4" (though most of that is in the lower half) and so that's what I've always done. It feels doable if I shorten it one, maybe two notches, but shorter than that just doesn't feel right. So this leaves me with two question- why on the Monte Carlo stock does this test say I should be in a 13.75" LOP, while the same test on the AR suggests an 11.5" LOP? A second, why does what this test says should be a proper LOP feel so wrong on the AR?

[@b1aflatoxin]

Maybe it's because the sight picture on your AR is higher -and lower on the monte. ??? Just a thought.

[@troytownsend2597]

Myth Busters T. V show, busted the myth that a bullets path cannot be altered by movement of rifle, as they put a rifle in a moving mechanism that held and fired the rifle in motion. But the rifle shot straight through several paper walls at different ranges, without changing the straight path of bullet. My question is how does this corralate to the way rifle butt stock pitch causes a bullet to strike high or low?

[@bessiepattas6580]

hi randy ar this mesurmens aply for all shotguns too thank you

[@stevefrench3564]

Every gun I tried this on the distance from the center of the trigger to my nose was between 6.75" and 8". So by this method I would shorten my stocks... The problem I's I'm 6'4" and they all feel to short as is. Even when I try this method on my mossberg plinkster .22LR the distance from the center of the trigger to my nose is 7.25" so I would have to shorten the 14.5" LoP to 13"

[@ProMediaLLC]

This is great information. For some reason, the geniuses over at Mossberg believe when it comes to LOP on the 930 tactical, one size fits all. Let me tell you Mossberg it doesn't. Plus there are NO aftermarket stocks that offer LOP adjustment and cheek risers for this gun. I don't know, but it seems important on my other firearms so why wouldn't it be important on my 930 autoloader? They offer tons of adjustable stocks for every other shotgun, but not the 930 which is my favorite shotty. I'm going to look into a custom stock.

[@walleye306]

How much difference should there be between standing, crouching, sitting, and prone?

[@boydsgunstocks]

There should not be any difference.

[@weldaar]

The difference on mine is 1" I should cut the stock down 1" Is that Boyd is saying?

[@armandomrgl85]

Boyds Gun Stocks: I've purchased a few Boyds gun stocks for my Ruger 10/22's which fit great but when I ordered the stock for my Remington 700 the stock is too long for me, I have to stretch my neck forward to be able to see through the Scope correctly. Can you give me an idea how to cut down the stock if that's possible or would I be able to send the stock to you guys & have it done? It's a featherweight thumbhole, I don't recall having the option for different lengths of pull, it's been a couple of years since I bought it, but haven't been able to use it for that reason. Thanks

[@boydsgunstocks]

Length of Pull would have needed to be changed when you ordered. The option to change LOP is available on our website, at the very bottom page when selecting options for wood, laser, etc. To correct this, you would need to take it in to a local gunsmith to adjust the LOP. We cannot bring the stock back to correct it. We apologize for the inconvenience.

[@testos2701]

Boys stocks are excellent, I love them, their style, functionality, but I wish they were lighter, since they are made out of wood, they tend to be heavy, other than that they are awesome!

[@archangel20031]

Now if Boyds only had a walnut stock for my Romanian PSL.

[@luissandoval4093]

One more question..., does this apply also for shotguns?

[@C.Double.]

Yes

[@pewpewlife2307]

Does this work with all rifles, and shotguns? I'm kinda new to the rifle stuff lol.. I am having most issues with my ak47.. I have the Zhukov adjustable stock but I can't figure out where I like it best.. I feel like when I have it collapsed all the way I can't hold it tighter to my body and control recoil a little better but feels more comfortable when I have it opened up all the way

[@jmi0112]

AKs lop with a t6 adjustable stock is still short. I’m 5’ 9” and fully extended is short for me. The AK composite stocks always seem way short for me.

[@boss350z5]

Great info.

[@cuculache]

Great video and educational! I find most people just shrug their shoulders when I ask them how their stock fits them. (Also, very soothing voice. -No homo)

[@StacieStockman]

Like your vid, Kinda wish it would answer questions, would it be worth it to fit an inexpensive entry level shotgun and train with that so I dont get into bad habits if and when I get the more expensive guns..

[@StacieStockman]

Ok, just got my feet wet with sporting clays. I want to get a base level shotgun (something on the level of a Moss 500/Rem 870) just to practice technique and work on mounting the gun and work on stance. Would something like this be worth to get it pro fitted before I move onto the more expensive guns out there? Not looking to get into Pro Competition or league shooting, more of a Recreational shooter.

[@popoaggie]

Does this formula apply to trap shotguns, too?

[@absolutelynothingtoseehere]

He never says why length of pull is important. What are the symptoms for getting it wrong?

[@boydsgunstocks]

The gun will not fit you properly if you have the wrong length of pull. "Meaning how comfortable the gun feels to you and how accurate you can shoot it. With the correct length of pull, you will have quick sight acquisition, better control, better accuracy, and feel more comfortable." It may cause the shooter to be too close or too far away from the scope to correctly view through it.

[@ChiquitaSpeaks]

Why is the stock measurement 5 3/4 inches back from the trigger?

[@boydsgunstocks]

Are you starting at the curve of the trigger, not the first screw?

[@ChiquitaSpeaks]

@@boydsgunstocks no I meant why is the default advice (confused w ‘stock’ advice) to measure 5 3/4 inches back from the trigger, is that like some kind of established measurement? Btw what are the implications of this for bullpup?

[@boydsgunstocks]

​@@ChiquitaSpeaks Correct, it's an established rule of thumb that 5 3/4" is the optimum distance from the center curve of trigger, that you nose should hit for clear scope acquisition for a clear field of view. If you mark this spot and your nose comes up in front of the mark you then add this distance to your measured length of pull from center of the trigger curve to the back of the recoil pad. If your nose is behind the line then you subtract this distance from your measured LOP. Since we do not make a stock for a bull pup we would not be able to advise on this.

[@ChiquitaSpeaks]

@@boydsgunstocks gotcha so is this advice for utilizing your stocks or just stocks in general

[@chuckallen9778]

I have a really long nose, how does that effect the measurement? should I subtract the extra 2 inches for the extra length of my nose.

[@boydsgunstocks]

We'd be happy to help you figure this out. Give us a call please!

[@anna94k]

As a women I don't have a problem with ar15s or my pump-action shotguns buuut I really wanna buy over/under shotgun, though they tend to be big for me and I can't trust anyone in my country to help me fit the gun properly and shorten the stock :(

[@trashpanda2396]

What if you have a long nose!

[@fzsblackmagick5166]

You're not allowed to shoot rifles. Long nose rule.

[@MrArchonta]

LOL

[@spconrad9612]

Pretty interesting, thanks

[@parkjihoon394]

wouldn't it make more sense to start a child with something that has a telescoping stock. or just a smaller gun

[@denmanfite3156]

Smaller gun, absolutely. I have never found it funny OR helpful to kids to immediately put the .308 in their hands and watch them hurt themselves, and possibly the gun. cheers

[@DDFram]

Do you measure the same way if you shoot prone?

[@Albert4H]

+DDFram That's a great question. Too bad there's no answer. I was wondering that too.

[@thevoidbeckons]

this method I get 12 7/8", the elbow to knuckle I get 15"

[@axelsprangare2579]

Thanks alot!

[@samsam-mf5um]

dose work same to shotgun

[@boydsgunstocks]

Measuring your LOP will work when using a shotgun and following the instructions of this video. However, Boyds does not offer different length of pull on shotgun sets.

[@stdavis22]

if im adding a 1" recoil pad will you all account for the extra inch so the final LOP is still 13.75?

[@boydsgunstocks]

Yes, we measure the overall Length of Pull based on the pad ordered. With 1/2" pads, the stock is cut a half inch short. With 1" pads, the stock is cut 1" shorter.

[@saxman7131]

I'm 6'7" tall and I've never had a gun I felt fit me.

[@jmi0112]

I’m 5’ 9” and from fingertip to tip is 73”. I have long ass arms and lop has always been an issue for me.

[@Guers99]

It takes longer then 5 days. 6 to 8 weeks.

[@boydsgunstocks]

Please email [e-mail] with your order number and we will look into this.

[@boydsgunstocks]

We were not able to locate your order from your first and last name. Did you order directly from us?

[@Guers99]

@@boydsgunstocks unfortunately. no.

[@GreetingsandSalutations4007]

can anyone tell me what kind of rifle that is?

[@MatthewinGooseneck]

looks like a Blaser

[@ScreamPotato]

What if somebody has an abnormally large or small nose?

[@boydsgunstocks]

This is just a guide line for most people. There are a number of variables that will affect accurately measuring the length of pull. Such as: Length of neck How puffy your cheeks are Size of your upper body Thickness of clothing in various seasons If you have a firearm that fits currently and are not leaning in or leaning back to see a full field of view in your scope, you can measure from the center of the trigger to the end of the buttpad, this would give you a relatively accurate length of pull.

[@thinktwicespeakonce482]

Does this work for ar15s?

[@boydsgunstocks]

Yes, this would give you the Length of Pull for AR-15's. At this time, we do not offer different lengths of pull on our AR-15 stock or any two piece stock set.

[@phantomshtter]

You didn't mark where your nose TOUCHED the comb though. You marked where the tip of your nose was, which is a good quarter to half inch further. Wording matters. So which one is it? Where it touches or where the tip of the nose stops?🤷 I'm an extremely detailed oriented and meticulous person and we're literally talking about precision custom measurements here that cost extra. I watched that portion like 5 times over. He marks for the tip. So... I'm 6' even with long arms, long neck, long nose and I'm supposed to subtract an inch from a factory 13" length of pull??? POPYCOCK! This doesn't make a lick of sense or check out and I performed it precisely as instructed multiple times.🤦 Doesn't specify what I already stated nor take into account different lengths of features on people, both of which would throw this whole method off while having zero effect on the actual person's length of pull. What a crock!

[@MegaRiffraff]

👍🏻👍🏻

[@davidr9876]

That stock is so pretty I would consider a nose job lol. That way you can keep the stock as is.

[@c.roycehoneycutt3124]

As a trained gunfitter, this is wrong in so many ways. What he is explaining is for a rifle, not a proper fit for a fowling piece. Many factors go into proper fit. There is no one formula for this as he is describing. The gun comes to the cheek, not the cheek to the gun. Width of shoulders, length of the neck, the height of one's cheekbones all have to be taken into account. PLEASE, GO TO A PROPPERLY TRAINED FITTER, NOT SOMEONE DRUMMING UP THEIR OWN PRODUCTS.

[@rfcdgaf]

What if you just have a really long nose

[@boydsgunstocks]

This is just a guide line for most people. There are a number of variables that will affect accurately measuring the length of pull. Such as: Length of neck How puffy your cheeks are Size of your upper body Thickness of clothing in various seasons If you have a firearm that fits currently and are not leaning in or leaning back to see a full field of view in your scope, you can measure from the center of the trigger to the end of the buttpad, this would give you a relatively accurate length of pull.

[@rfcdgaf]

@@boydsgunstocks oh... i'm not using a scope, just iron sights!

[@jewelscatchew]

You sir can size a gun, but somebody needs to size your shirts. lol.

[@99cobra2881]

Can’t conceal carry with a tight fitting shirt, next time you see a person with a baggy shirt and his pants aren’t halfway down around his ass, he’s probably conceal carrying.

[@beargillium2369]

Boo