Electronic Musicians are Talentless.

[@SickickMusic]

Electronic music is like the human body. Simple on the outside, and extremely complex on the inside. Ive been making music for years. EDM is the most rewarding genre of music to make that I've come across so far (especially when you find those sounds and chords and patterns and mixes that collectively sit just right together!!!!) Though machines can produce the harsh synths and riffs for you at the click of a button, being able to understand when you have a particular melody or a drum pattern staring at you right in your face that has the potential to give people the chills is a talent all on it's own. I still haven't grasped what this genre is all about after all my years as it's always developing, but one thing for sure is that I respect the hell out of Electronic Musicians worldwide. Great video! :)

[@perkiousmusic]

What are you doing on a boyinaband video m8?

[@daytonabeachUSA]

Keep on telling yourself that if it makes you feel better about not having taste.

[@poshcatterson1790]

*angry comment posted before watching video*

[@shockwave4043]

😂😂😂

[@erikho6936]

Legit half of them

[@magicmac6184]

Ugh. Get off the Internet.

[@mashr]

angry reply to the angry comment

[@schprox]

ARRRGGG!!! *YOU SUCK THEY SUCK GUESS WHAT GET FUCKED* Jk that line is from a song called "get this" by slipknot

[@Dylanquinn666]

As an illustrator, I hear the same argument made about digital art. It's not about the tools that you use, it's about the compositions and ideas you create with them. Guitars, laptops, drums, pianos.. they're all just tools to bring your ideas to fruition.

[@crackedcookies]

tools to bring your ideas to fruition... nice phrase, I shall use that.

[@threeletteragent]

Dylan Quinn the difference is, with a guitar or piano, you need to spend years of practice to even make the "casio keyboard preset". On FL Studio you completely bypass the learning and move straight into composition, which you have to do on an instrument as well. Therefore, EDM require OBJECTIVELY less talent than a traditional instrument.

[@ultimsing]

Nah you software is the instrument. Composing require skill with a instrument, but so does EDM. Most EDM musician actually need practice with another instrument to even be able to produce something listenable. To reuse Dylan Quinn example, having a drawing tab wont make you a good illustrator if you never drawn a thing in your life. You can start with it but dont think you will produce something better just because you do it digitaly

[@travisprescott9708]

NinjaSpaceMonkey We don't listen to a someones music based on how long it takes them to learn how to play a certain instrument ,so why this is a big deal if a musician used real instruments or not is beyond me.

[@CallMePuddlez]

People who don't repdect digital artists disgust me

[@leojohnmarigregorio1900]

my theory: 50%-70% of people who disliked didn't watch the video .....

[@Kurt_fre]

well i did i even unsubscribed

[@joshualijnen7446]

Zinerab Kaito Or people that don’t even understand the video’s and his references

[@MonsterBatinator]

I had to mack a dislike on this video, he makes too many assumptions

[@malakai9738]

I disliked the video when I clicked on it, then I removed the dislike 5 seconds later.

[@theepicoshawott]

I almost didn't watch it tbh

[@ryanpflughaupt2503]

I came here to say a massive juicy "ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT" but it turns out you actually appreciate electronic music

[@Pleconium]

same, i saw the video and clicked ready to write a ten-paragraph essay in the comments why electronic musicians have talent until i realized the title of the video was sarcasm lmao

[@MrKW420]

same here tho, just wanted to type a long ass hate commend of what the fuck is he talking about, but changed my mind

[@danielfrederickson2328]

Me too😂

[@inframane7396]

You guys are fam right here.

[@tomnewman8927]

yeh same here, i was well ready to explode and leave a link to the making of breaking a sweat by skilled and the doors and tell him to watch that and shove everything he said up his arse but he actually appreciates us and our talents, just maybe the title was specifically set on triggering the edm population

[@LokiKeanu]

i get this same crap for graphic design and digital art "you're not really doing anything though are you the computer is doing it for you" yes, in much the same way leonardo da vinci did not paint the mona lisa, his paint brushes did

[@cxge.]

goteeemmm

[@louis-victorcyr803]

daaaaaaaaaaaaaamnnnnnn

[@charhoang]

they don't know anything, digital art is so much harder than traditional imo

[@dustinhoornaert3485]

Yeah and in music people are just like "you just press buttons" Now I wanna see those people go into any DAW and press buttons and see how good of a song they creatw

[@LokiKeanu]

though i appreciate yer thoughts id have to dissagree (though depending on what didgital art) its pretty much the same skill set, ive actually tested this, drew an eye, transfered the skills to a digital program and drew pretty much the same eye digital only gets harder when you look into motion graphics 3d and vector drawing, other than that we have an undo button lol

[@imjoeking_]

When you said "Heavy Bass is just noise" I thought to myself, isnt all music just noise?

[@Damnagoras1]

dukethedj Are you about to go all John Cage on us?

[@chaosorr]

dukethedj Noise is a variety of sound. It means any unwanted sound. Sounds, particularly loud ones, that disturb people or make it difficult to hear wanted sounds, are noise. The distinction between music and noise is mathematical form. Music is ordered sound. Noise is disordered sound.

[@misawa8629]

chaosorr What happens when the music is completely improvised then, or relies on found sound and ambient room noise. I prefer the definition of music as "any sound capable of evoking an emotion."

[@chaosorr]

misawa8629 You are using sounds (sounds is not music) for something that you want, in this case is make some beats or music, the definition of noise is any UNWANTED sound usually disturbing. When you improvise music it usually has a beat and if you want a melody is must have some tuning (even if it's not the classic CDEFGAB notes) and that makes an improvised piece with improvised instruments have a WANTED and ORDERED sound

[@lari327]

+FoxGamer123 its only logical if you are a stoner or a little brat whos trying to sound smart. this statement is really stupid.. thats like saying "when i heard him say that heroin is a drug and drugs are bad, i thought to myself, isnt medicine a drug too?".

[@dymlightchronicles2413]

The truth is, people who say this type of music requires zero talent connot produce music.

[@prikkiki-ti-2]

Dym Light Chronicles The truth is that you misspelled “cannot”.

[@0ldb00e]

@@prikkiki-ti-2 The true thing is is that you're trying to start an "argument"

[@prikkiki-ti-2]

@@0ldb00e I just corrected a typo over a year ago it is not an emergency

[@0ldb00e]

@@prikkiki-ti-2 still just ignore it

[@prikkiki-ti-2]

@@0ldb00e This was 2 years ago, please stop talking about it

[@ricinaddict]

"If you take away their computer, what do they have? NOTHING!" yeah, if you took away a guitar players guitar, they wouldnt really have much either.

[@ismaelsalazar4656]

Real dj's use reels, not computers

[@ismaelsalazar4656]

+lmg Phony dubstep-girls dj's maybe, but real dj's use reels. Or loopers, but no computers like laptops. Just like a real drummer uses a drumset and not one of those light pads for dj's

[@Rouwiinator]

I'm a guitar player and you definately have no clue about my steam library.

[@junkmorgan7497]

+Rouwiinator you sound more of a bass player tbh

[@Impennybee]

You do realise that advanced/immediate levelled music producer usually can play many different instruments aswell? lol

[@lightwqve8494]

_sees title_ *_triggered_* _watches video_ *_oh ok_*

[@noahbodner3755]

ImKyfry same

[@ShadowRavenGaming222]

same

[@jcdenton4534]

Yes. 100% yes

[@bonnieaprillollipoptrigger6516]

ImKyfry So Same(;

[@gracie872]

Same tho

[@sergentyee9397]

I'm a metalhead, I have a friend who creates music with launchpads. Well, I tried and... It's hard.

[@kyklone8881]

Wtf let your friend buy a DAW

[@chucktayler121]

I think the common misconception is that electronic musicians aren't "real" musicians, however this couldn't be further from the truth . I'm a classically trained jazz/blues guitar player and I can also read music . Not to toot my own horn but i can also play the tenor sax (a little jazz joke for you hehe) . Guess what!!!!! when I'm in the recording studio i only have to worry about my part in the song...my piece ...my single slice of the whole . I write my part and hope I have band mates reliable enough to pull they're own weight . When your ears listen an " edm " track who do you think wrote those beautiful chords ? who do you think wrote that drum track ? . who do you think wrote that beautiful lead ? who do you think plays the role of the recording engineer ? who do you think did the sound design for all instruments ? . If Beethoven were alive today he would be an electronic musician . One pro electronic track usually contains about 100 channels per project ....thats 100 elements that one person has to write and mix seamlessly together to make art . sound familiar ? yes it should! , it resembles a composer who writes every single line of music in a symphony . people need to educate themselves . the computer does not make the music . it simply records the music they are generating through it's instruments . musical scores for movies are mostly also written and made with computers now too . its more cost effective than having to record a whole orchestra , but again you need a composer to write the music . the computer wont do it for you .. knowledge is key . Never diminish ones accomplishments without ever fully knowing what it takes to get there .

[@pragyanur2657]

These are not symphony that people admire, they hear the loops and love it.

[@Ranipla]

@@pragyanur2657 Garageband is not the only DAW fyi

[@blancmull3886]

lmao GarageBand should never be called a DAW

[@pebble710]

1 word for you..... NERD

[@CkYAll1anc3]

I doubt Beethoven would be a EDM musician. Creating symphonies and electronic music are no where near the same level and they never will be

[@ethan37066]

weirdest tennis commercial ever

[@SissyFlower5]

I'm a classical musician (I play the piano and sing opera), but I somehow missed the memo that classical musicians are supposed to look down on other musicians as being talentless hacks who don't know "real music". While I prefer playing classical, I like listening to a lot of different styles, including electronic. And even those I don't like, I still recognize them as "real music". Because how in the world could something be "fake music"? There is no wrong was to express something in the musical form.

[@blueskyautumn]

AMEN

[@goatymcgoatface9529]

True dat

[@SissyFlower5]

Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture called for a cannon to be fired (a real one, no fake gun sounds) 16 times. Truly as sissy as they get...

[@dragonno6587]

i bet Tchaikovsky would like to use what cannon on you for liking electro

[@efx1025]

+SissyFlower5 Sadly, that is how many people who complain about music are. They only consider their music to be the "real music" and anything else is fake or bad. I grew up listening to lots of classic and alternative rock. I've bounced from a little bit of country, to metal, to now electronic/house music. I like just about any song that sounds good to me (which includes something from any genre), but to call any music fake is just idiotic. Music is music, there is no wrong or right way to do it. It's an art and is an expression of the artist who made it. You may not like certain style of art, but you can't call it fake because there is no such thing. The world is full of critics though and we just have to ignore and live with them.. lol

[@BrandonCuringtonOfficial]

“Electronic Music is Talentless.” me: *lets them hear the minecraft ost.* everyone else: 😢😢😭😣

[@XILOX_]

Giorno i have seen you almost everywhere now

[@shitlord54]

Oh look it's giorno

[@zototheo2580]

I don't get the joke

[@solar7295]

@@zototheo2580 Me neither lol

[@Sezenian]

The title makes you hate the video But the content makes you love the video.......... BRILIANT!!!!!!!

[@ultimateking2238]

Seems like a song he made a while back...

[@rossitou]

That's just how his videos are lmao

[@jayvermillion1148]

c l i c k b a i t

[@rckins5979]

AGREE!! lol

[@mBUSHattack]

I used to think dubstep would be easier than rock until I transitioned into trying to make it myself. For one thing, sound design is incredibly difficult, especially when the line between amazing original synth and ear-bleeding noise is razor thin. There's a great deal of science as well as trial and error involved that nobody thinks about. You think, "oh, he just opens up the 'crazy wubwubwub' instrument and writes some notes," but if you're legit you tend to design those sounds yourself with painstaking detail and effort.

[@shugrin8096]

SOMEONE FINALLY UNDERSTANDS!

[@GuitarAnime]

"the line between amazing original synth and ear-bleeding noise is razor thin" great way to put it

[@justin9268]

filters easy beginner effects i threw away my bass filter synth, triggers all sensitive n wonky. typical funk muze junk. Im working on new music. rings crushers gates moded boutique pedals post edits loopers modulation exp trails. makes edm sound like a daycare sing a long. dub step lol the correct pedal and ear n equipment, a one trick pony. try vr music surround sound n not sone wall of turd sound stripped down jazz metronome bull. even kurt cobain hated his music. it was dumb.

[@tehonlyzelda]

Can someone please explain to me what this says, I've only just started my music GCSE and the only thing i understood was "modulation" and "metronome" ... and obviously a few other things but you get the gist.

[@fireheat5244]

finally someone who does the research before complaining

[@breezyna5566]

"Has no soul or heart" ... To anyone who thinks this about EDM, or any genre of music/umbrella term, you are wrong, oh very wrong. If you don't like EDM, fair enough, but to say it contains zero soul, heart or emotion is incorrect.

[@brendancarmona4521]

b r e e z y n/a Illenium lifts my soul

[@breezyna5566]

+Black Crow Are you talking POPular music or the genre Pop? Because a lot of Pop nowadays actually goes under the team Indie Dance, if you enjoy a song that's Indie Dance, it's very likely it is Pop.

[@breezyna5566]

Even more popular genres can have good songs in them (in my opinion), but I see what you mean, everyone is entitled to their opinions.

[@idecayi7102]

I listen to electronic music religiously and people give me so much shit cause they don’t think it’s good... while they go and listen to someone talk really fast about sex, drugs, and alcohol... like really? I love how people give edm so much shit when I don’t give them and shit about their music...

[@breezyna5566]

I like Rap and EDM tbh, Lo-Fi Hip Hop and Chill Hop are two of my favourite genres and even darker Hip Hop songs where people rap about sex, drugs etc are usually hit or miss.

[@alexmurray632]

The reason that EDM draws people in is because the melodies are often more complex than those of modern pop The statement that they don’t have talent would also be applicable to the people who write those pop songs The whole ‘physical talent’ eg singing or playing an instrument would be redundant without music to play, so the writing is the most important part and does require talent.

[@zynet_eseled]

Except nowadays modern "edm" is the same shit over and over again, and you need to dive into the depths to find gold

[@Y4K0M4K0]

That track at 0:37 was pure fire 🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯 Release the extended version pls...

[@aplu5official819]

hunter hopkinson this is the funniest thing I've seen all day, thank you

[@5bitcube]

the bass drop was fuckin insane

[@aplu5official819]

TAKO my ears were practically bleeding

[@arvysabas]

why this masterpiece isn't in spotify???

[@LingoGaming]

It sort of reminded me of the pingu theme song

[@nemurinemuri2212]

People didn't seem to watch the whole video

[@Squarion]

Except the point of the video is to argue why the title is wrong.

[@alvinahn4244]

Just watch the first minute of it

[@glidermcglide9288]

I like your profile picture

[@xyon9090]

NemuriNemuri They let themselves be mislead by the title.

[@xenuii]

This pfp

[@thatonepenguin4285]

Personally I don't care if you have talent or nah,if I like how it sounds that's it! Good enough

[@Melotaku]

ikr

[@rody6635]

exactly

[@dookie7299]

...me

[@electricbird8993]

Finally someone said it

[@dookie7299]

@IamBroedy umm ok

[@skylamence1677]

Finally someone who understands the level of complexity involved with electronic music production. Thank you for existing 🙏

[@Tamaraalkhateeb]

I don’t have the budget to own all the instruments, such as guitars, keyboards, drums, etc., to make music with actual instruments. Therefore, I use electronic instruments to make music, which still needs the talents of understanding music.

[@WebMint_]

Actually, the budgets the same for both.

[@SuprMikey64]

WebMint What? How? Owning guitar(s) (at least 80 bucks each), keyboard (100) drums (anywhere from 300 to 1000), sound recording equipment and soundproofing (???? A LOT), AND a computer to edit it all with software which you'll have to use at least a little anyway if you're gonna master it yourself without extra equipment. OR The computer, software, and a decent midi keyboard. Budgets not the same especially if you delve into more expensive instruments like low brass or just multiple winds instruments. They're super expensive. Some music software and plugins can be really fuckin expensive too, but **cough cough** piracy **cough cough**

[@battub7384]

Tamara You have no feel & soul... You're a digital & a joke musician...

[@battub7384]

You're just a another slave of millenial music genres today. You words defined you as a lazy musician...

[@zizfie3782]

@Princexedrhic Maano tell me this is a joke. please

[@davidturner4987]

If creativity is supposedly limitless why would anyone assume that the tools we use to express that creativity should be limited? I do not understand why there is any argument about this at all.

[@lipswhips2514]

David Turner cause people need something to bitch about basically

[@Pankaic]

"Normal" musicians play instruments. EDM producers have to make their instruments.

[@orlandoreyes6855]

I'm sure instruments don't just spawn. Like any electronic instrument, an instrument has to be crafted.

[@Pankaic]

Regardless, I'm quite sure most musicians don't craft their own instruments O_o

[@headachemusic6877]

TRUTH

[@Settiis]

If you call taking a beat from the libary, modifying it a little bit, and putting it in a row with the other beats making instruments, ok.

[@CerberusComplex]

Wosrethot Well, a DJ is like a one-man band. They produce a lot of songs with a lot of sounds by themselves. In a band, there's a group of people all working on a song together.

[@bufferingjeonjungook5485]

I'm actually a rock,metal fan, also can play a guitar, but I DO like electronic songs tho. Both are great in their own ways

[@Brian-Enel]

Metal head doesn't listen to kpop gay

[@STM-n2n]

@@Brian-Enel So trueee

[@effy.3730]

That dude needs to listen to the algorithm.

[@GermaphobeMusic]

Take a shot every time someone doesn't watch the whole video

[@matshbocks]

SirBanana I don't drink or want to get alcohol poisonong

[@Battlefieldfan146]

SirBanana take a shot of peroxide every time this video is clickbait

[@GermaphobeMusic]

But where's the fun in being sober?

[@noname-rj7dx]

SirBanana You get to laugh at the drunks who are behaving like 3 year olds ;)

[@thatoneguy8355]

So... That's like 7 billion shots... (Rounding)

[@Loxu69]

Why can't people just like music

[@AbunaYeet]

maybe some people just dont enjoy edm. not because they need something to hate.. they just.. well.. dont enjoy it.

[@Loxu69]

they can not enjoy it thats fine but this video is specifically about the people who actively hate on edm producers calling them talentless

[@HassouTobi88]

ikr

[@thewhiskey584]

That's what I though

[@XxBobTheGlitcherxX]

Why can't people just understand that other people can hate if they feel like it or want to.

[@scatterbrain6450]

Our music teacher bough a Launchpad recently, ( I have one at home and suggested it ) and so since the teacher didn't know how to use it; I set it up and got a midi sample and selected user one, everyone thought that the moment they pushed buttons it would make a song, one person wouldn't leave the launchpad alone, so I let them play and secretly recorded what they were playing, I then played what they had played back to them, his excuse was "It sounded better playing it." and "My way of making music is just spamming buttons and making a song." The teacher also bought a DJ turn table, so I set it up and I was using a different software ( tracktor instead of ableton, I use ableton alot so yeah...) and I was trying to figure out how it worked, before I even turned it on, that guy and his friends were pretending to be dj's and thought that just scratching the turn table was going to make a song, so when I did turn it on and thought I knew how the software worked, it lit up, and immediately they pushed every button until a warning light came on and now the software won't make any noises, great job dumb asses!

[@twentyhundred2000]

lmao that's pretty funny. glad everyone learned a little lesson about the difficulties of producing electronic music

[@scatterbrain6450]

@20, 00 Thanks!

[@RetsamX]

Music teacher and launchpad ? Why are your music lesssons so much better than mine ? :D

[@scatterbrain6450]

@Retsam I ended up suggesting it to the teacher in the end, I also did a showcase on it and she wanted to teach electronic music production, so I bought in my Launchpad and yeah. The teacher ended up buying one with no idea how to use it so I had to show the class, Unfortunately / fortunately the teacher was using ableton live trial, so I was use to it ( I am saving up for the full version and a synth so I can finally upload songs to KZbin ) but I couldn't download a "Pack" (those songs you see SoNevable do) which is what everyone expected. and of course people would think that you would press a button to make noise, because the teacher downloaded apps on her personal Ipads and then bought them in, they where laucnhpad apps.... she had given the information to everyone that you press buttons to make noise. Also, the reason why we have the launchpad and DJ set it because I suggested it to the teacher. :) hope that gives you a little background information on the story :)

[@scatterbrain6450]

Also, With the DJ set, people tried to set it up and ended up having to ask me, "Why is the software not making any noise?!" So I ended up realizing the problem and asked them, have you tried plugging it in to the speakers? (Note this, they where with a technicians son) and so they plugged it in and it worked, and I had a little go on it, nothing much but just making it sound muffled or not, and changing the songs, and I couldn't mess with anything else since everyone screamed in my ear so loud that they wanted a turn ( I had barely turned the thing on ) that I could't hear the music, and so after people pushing me away because I changed the filters for 4 minutes, some cocky kid come up to me in my class, and said, "HA, we can do what you took years to do, in a few minutes." Me: T R I G G E R E D (jk) and basically I was so tempted to hit him, but I manged to hold it in, and just said "YOU HAD, 7 PEOPLE WITH YOU INCLUDING A TECHNICIANS SON!" and he still laughed like he was the god of fucking wisdom, he was one of the more stupid people in our class, and he turned and said "There was only 3 people there idiot" Me: (Points to DJ set surrounded by people who have no Idea what their doing) So basically, the next break, (morning tea) a kid comes up to me and says (He was in my class) "I DEMAND TO USE THE DJ SET NEXT TIME, YOU USED ALL MORNING" ( I used it for four minutes) so after a bit of arguing, I just said what ever and went silent. Next time in music, the same kid grabs the DJ set and puts in down aggressively, and the teacher allowed 15 minute turns on it, so with the help of 4 people they set it up, and of course, 5 minutes later, the kid who was screaming in my ear turns up while I was letting people have a turn on the launchpad and teaching them how to use it, but anyways, the kid comes up and says, can I have a go on the launchpad, I asked why, and apparently that same kid who 'demanded' the DJ set was hogging it and letting people go on for only a minute, so i just gave him a smug look, and said, "No" ( he was one of the people that pushed me out ) and yeah. Idiots get common sense for the first time.

[@BYoung-123]

2012: *nope* 2013:*nah fam* 2014:*nope, not yet* 2015:*nah B* 2016:*wait for it* 2017:*almost there* 2018:*ONE MORE YEAR* 2019: Recommended Section: *recommendeds a video from 7 years ago*

[@ourly]

Thanks for the unoriginal comment, should have posted 3 years ago. Thanks again.

[@BYoung-123]

@@ourly Actually nobody cares, try not being toxic

[@someperson1940]

@@BYoung-123 These comments are kinda getting annoying though because I see them all the time...

[@saulo4302]

2020: *Hmmm, how 'bout we do that again?*

[@simonsrb543]

This is the mood pf my yt notifications

[@TsuladanGaming]

If you push the logic of those who claim that "anybody with a computer could slap music together in ten minutes" a step or two further, I add that by the same logic it could be said that anyone with a computer and some game design software should also be able to slap together a AAA game title, or give them some animation software and they can churn out a cinematic quality movie. Like you said, apples to orange comparisons just fall apart or fail to work, they are built on a foundation of faulty logic that makes the whole argument fall apart. Just because computers are involved in the process does not mean these things lack skill, it's just a different facet of skill involved and it deserves just as much respect. I had a friend once that made music on the computer and to this day I still look at some of their work and find wonder in the creation because I know the time and effort that went into it.

[@StefanoPapaleo-TS]

When they say that, ask them to ditch their phones (computers!) into the rubbish bin, not to ever book a ticket and board a plane (oh wait... computers involved! It mus be easy!), live without electricity (because we all know the grid is managed by dwarves and fairies, right? Right?!), watch TV, listen to the radio or go the movies (computers running those things... again...), and strip naked and start levitating because - you guessed it - computers are involved in clothes and street/building manufacturing, and it is not done in 10 minutes. If after that, they collapse dead on the floor.... good riddance ;)

[@Rockastorm]

2 words: very true

[@PengyDraws]

Facts. Is animating a fight scene easier than filming one?

[@canadianbluepants9446]

@@PengyDraws what type of animation are we talking about here? mo-cap? 2d? 3d? 4D?

[@PengyDraws]

@@canadianbluepants9446 True, Mo-cap is easier compared to other forms of animation in part. But honestly 4D animation is a joke. Try 5D animation. (And isn't 3D animation technically 4D animation in part?)

[@xXGuitarMuffinsXx]

As someone who has played instruments throughout their life (mainly guitar and piano, and can play a few others such as drums), honestly, the amount of knowledge and skill it takes to create a professional edm track is insane. I've been working a decent amount on trying to produce electronic music for almost 6 months now, and honestly, if you think any form of EDM takes no skill, you really don't know what you're talking about. FYI, if you don't listen to any EDM, EVERY SONG YOU LISTEN TO HAS BEEN PROFESSIONALLY MIXED AND MASTERED. YOU ARE NOT LISTENING TO A RAW RECORDING OF SOMEONE SINGING AND PLAYING INSTRUMENTS. Professional mixers/masterers do a good amount to a recorded *insert any genre such as rock, screamo, metal, etc.* track. All of the vocalists have been autotuned to some degree, and all instruments are also edited a good bit to sound better and blend better in the mix. Literally, no song made nowadays hasn't been edited in some form.

[@xXGuitarMuffinsXx]

Oh and FYI, that first song he played at 0:36, no one using any DAW on their first, or even 10th time could even make that. Sure, maybe the melody isn't complex, but there's WAY more to it than just coming up with melodies and drum loops. There's compression, EQ'ing, mixing/mastering,etc. If you created that same melody he made, and you don't know anything about what I mentioned above, the song will come out not sounding anywhere near as it did lmao

[@cosmicsilhouette3858]

I like those people who say edm is auto-tone unlike the real music. All music is auto-tune no matter what genre its auto-tuned or edited.

[@phffffbt]

I had to check to see if my speed was x1.5.

[@useless4979]

Lovecraft Fiend oof

[@kineskakopijakineza4636]

Lovecraft Fiend i thought mine was 2x so i went ti check too xd

[@ballsin87]

I make electronic music on my channel and this kid at school is always telling me that “oh, electronic music isn’t real music” or “oh, I bet that music doesn’t take any time or effort”. In some cases, that’s true, if you only use pre-recorded loops from the internet or something, but when you’re actually writing the chords and melodies and the beats and all, it takes a LOOOONNG time. I first started just using loops and all, which took no effort, but when I resorted to writing actual stuff, most of my songs took up to 3 WEEKS TO MAKE. I listened to so many tracks better than mine and just kept thinking that it was impossible to get that good. I tried and tried and I got better, but it’s still very difficult to get that good at electronic music. It requires lots of learning and talent.

[@Vamcani]

How many downvotes you think were from people not even watching the video?

[@lynxar4]

10k downvotes

[@goldsrcorsource2551]

@@ghjghghjgjhghgk lul

[@NateSassoonMusic]

producers should be compared to composers, not performers

[@JackIsNotSpanish]

Thank you.

[@lefthook4878]

What do you do when the performer is also the composer...like pretty much EVERY metal band ever?!

[@SaschaEderer]

@ Left Hook Wheres your point, cause I don't see any. But here's an attempt to explain, typically when you as a producer are asked to perform, you DJ

[@enlightenedsoul8897]

@@lefthook4878 What's your point?

[@bertalankovacs8322]

Yeah, the majority of the people never even took a look at Fl Studio.....but they say it requires no talent.... sure, if you show them an appropriate EDM studio and tell them to make a nice beat in 10 minutes, since "anyone can do it in 10 minutes" they won't even know what buttons to touch

[@hanzo7618]

Exactly a DAW is an instrument within itself.

[@sweliam1]

Hanzo a DAW is a tool, not an instrument. However I agree, composing electronic music is not as easy as many believe.

[@thodtheguy4467]

stupid guy:I can make a song as good as that in 10 minutes Producer:Oh sure go ahead *puts an EDM Studio* stupid guy:ok *10 minutes pass* Producer:ok so what have you made? stupid guy:here... *silence*

[@df938]

Accurate

[@tearlexmusic7361]

Well said my friend

[@thebassboar3980]

Playing piano is pressing buttons, Playing guitar is pulling and pressing strings, Playing drums is just hitting things with sticks, Playing flute is just breathing, Playing trumpet is breathing and pressing buttons, Playing saxophone is also just pressing buttons and breathing, Playing trombone is breathing and sliding brass, Playing clarinet is breathing and pressing buttons, Playing bass is pulling and pressing strings while being EPIC, Producing is pressing buttons on technology.

[@demonface4190]

This comment is telling me you really don’t know anything about instruments or producing

[@thebassboar3980]

Your comment is telling me that you have the ability to press buttons on a keyboard while looking at a screen, because that’s what you did by typing that comment.

[@vosaemify]

Idiota

[@thebassboar3980]

@@vosaemify

[@Darkxellmc]

I was expecting shit when I clicked on this video. I got counterbaited.

[@farhanahmed637]

Darkxellmc Vote here: www.strawpoll.me/15161433/r

[@Siafk]

Same, he owned us

[@connorv.9337]

same mate

[@ashykinz5162]

Darkxellmc same

[@leovasquez1348]

The title was quite misleading, made me think he was ranting about electronic music. Either way, I was glad it was misleading.

[@Memento_Mori_Music]

Starting with electronic music can really get a person interested in learning a traditional instrument. Making basic electronic music on my computer made me buy a MIDI keyboard, which made me more interested in playing the piano & learning music theory, which got me to actually start music theory & piano lessons in a local music academy, which then naturally made me buy an 88-key stage piano on which I try to practice every day now.

[@ketam1ne420]

Your comment is great except you k kind of said that a computer isn't a real instrument. In FL Studio, you can use your keyboard as a piano, for instance.

[@Memento_Mori_Music]

Hmm, indeed. I don't actually think that, though. I should've worded it better (original comment amended). What I meant by an actual instrument is an instrument that is generally played & not programmed (ok, even in this case my definition falls short & the word 'actual' is definitely not the best word to use, but I hope you get what I meant; let's just say that I meant a non-modern instrument).

[@ketam1ne420]

Memento Mori That's good enough for me.

[@ketam1ne420]

***** This post was quite old, but I suppose I could recommend for you to get something like a Rode NT1-A microphone, record some instruments, and throw them into a song.

[@astroash]

Davesteins theory of relativity is gonna be a breakthrough in the scientific world...

[@charliechampagne2018]

it's based on a quote people attribute to Einstein “Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.” but he didn't really say that well he might have but there's no proof he did it's just a blurb people band about, true enough though :P

[@jamiewheatley5818]

dat calculation tho yeah but the soundtrack guy no.2 made is a music industry breaker

[@XazerizX]

charlie champagne That is the worlds best quote. Until you find out that there actually are fish that can cilmb trees.

[@DJTheMetalheadMercenary]

He's right on the instrument thing in large part, know many a dudes that were metalheads and went to be dj's of relatively known calibers, they still jam metal and then play sold out shows and festivals. Also, just check out something like Blut Aus Nord's new album, and fusions of metal and electronic are massive.

[@restitutororbis964]

dat calculation tho I like how it has nothing to do with relativity lol. Still a pretty good nerd joke for us science fanatics.

[@kuremusic]

👍🏻This Really gets to me Since Many Peoples Told me That Electronic Music aren't Really a music, While I started to make a Electronic music. This speech Gives me more Encourages and Hopes for my Way!

[@cador6169]

I hate how everyone instantly equates "electronic music" with "dance music". There are so many other kinds of electronic music that a lot of people don't seem to know about.

[@coleminer5104]

They also seem to compare electronic music with dubstep, although electronic music has a variety of numerous genres.

[@Ouvii]

EDM is the new "Techno" People kept using Techno and were told it was wrong, so when EDM became a popular term, it then took Techno's place as the "All Electronic Music" term.

[@superphatcakes]

Many of the electronic music genres spawned from one form of dance music or another, hence the genre umbrella is "EDM", or "Electronic Dance Music"

[@theviniso]

Sammy Lemon Did you just call DnB a subgenre of Dubstep?

[@theviniso]

Dude, this is just wrong. DnB came first and influenced early dubstep producers, if anything dubstep is a subgenre of DnB. Saying the opposite is like saying Blues originated from Rock and Roll.

[@mrarky8958]

Computer=Machine, Tool, Source of Music and Artistic ExpressionElectric Guitar= Machine, Tool, Source of Music and Artistic Expression

[@Tgoalkeeper]

Yea most arguments made against electronic music are pathetic... A trash can could be a musical instrument if you wanted it to

[@mrarky8958]

***** and thus, Stomp was born.

[@FluorescentGreen5]

+MrARKY89 your right. another point is that a computer can be a clock, a gaming system, a tv (netflix), a messaging system, a stopwatch, a timer and many many other things. so i see absolutely no reason why it can't be an instrument.

[@Jaime_Protein_Cannister]

+MrARKY89 Every piano artist performs the same piece in different way. Groove is different, Accents can be different, volume in certain parts can be different. EDM producers are not making tracks that are this deep. Reverb , EQ, Filters, Compressors,Limmiters,Phasers,Falangers sure there is a lot of shit to learn. However it is never going to be as skilldependant as Playing Piano at a respectable level. There is absolutely no comparison. Additionally if we're to talk about WORLD class skill levels, the skill-gap is so fking big between say Chopin and Tiesto that it's not even funny. Coming from a PIano Player and an amateur Producer. Bottom line is this In a band every instrument is alive as opposed to being mechanical and mathematical.

[@mrarky8958]

***** I am inclined to agree with you on that. The point is and all things considered, a computer can play music just as a conventional instrument can. I am not saying that it takes as much of the nuanced effort and skill that you have described of musicians who play conventional instruments. All I am saying is that music is music and anything that it used to create music can be considered a musical instrument.

[@EliteEpicGamerz]

The title is really misleading. I genuinely thought you agreed with the title but it was a video to attack those dumb statement. Once again dave, pleasently suprised

[@santoriomaker69]

I think this is clickbait or intentionally misleading, but a meaningful one. Since this video DEFINITELY needs attention, it MUST have a clickbait if you want to spread a message. And the way he picked the title is genius.

[@EliteEpicGamerz]

JoshTGDG oh yeah i didnt say it was bad its just misleading

[@santoriomaker69]

Oh no no no no no... I didn't meant that your comment is something bad, but just a random opinion. Sorry for the misunderstanding...

[@potatocatthebean4350]

Hol up... a resolution of an argument without a flame war? This shit's rare af

[@Lipi19821]

EliteEpicGamerz yea I acctually clicked the video becouse of it and even before it had opened i had angry comment to post in my head...but then....

[@Papa7Bravo]

It's just pushing buttons.... hurr Dee hurr... well.... So is playing the piano. At the end of the day you have to know the instrument to be able to understand what goes together. At the very basics know piano because a whole combination of keys is what gives the best sounds, not just two or 3 keys used at most. Then you layer sounds like having two melodies, one being the main and one quietly in the background to add depth. Drums, adding them in a way that it doesn't just sound like they're taken from a different song and added on. Everything has to flow together and sit well with each other to give a full sound.

[@sosasees]

When I played piano, I first had to discover that 3-button chords are not automatically better than single notes or 2-button chords. In my experience, 2-button chords are, most of the time, more powerful than 3-button chords or even 4-button chords.

[@ngplayers3053]

@@sosasees They're keys, not buttons... :/

[@highlander1075]

@@ngplayers3053 same thing

[@ngplayers3053]

@@highlander1075 It's not the same thing lmao.. We don't call (key)board's have keys, not "buttons". Just like how Violin's have strings, not "wires". Lmao

[@highlander1075]

@@ngplayers3053 yeah but buttons and keys involve pressing them down so they're similar, sorry for saying they're the same thing

[@wesleythoman9873]

I think a lot of the argument against electronic musicians is the fact that a lot of artists don't recreate the music step by step on stage. They press play on their laptop in front of a crowd. What a lot of people fail to realize/think about is the amount of time and effort that goes into writing and creating those pieces. I can play guitar, I can play drums, piano, and I sing. I can write parts for any instrument in a typical 4/5 piece outfit... But if you put a computer in front of me with programs like FL Studio on it and ask me to compose an EDM track, I'm dumbfounded. Different strokes for different folks, and a completely different (and equally difficult) skillset.

[@LunaLament]

pin this

[@tathagatachoudhury]

Still does not change the fact that the music made is shit.

[@wesleythoman9873]

Tathagata Choudhury although I agree that it isn't my cup of tea, there's no need to bash other people's work and passion. I just choose not to listen.

[@LunaLament]

Tathagata Choudhury doesn't change the fact that that's your opinion :)

[@Dead_Mow]

Wesley Thoman 100% agree since ive played bass and sax and ive taken a more harder approach to fl studio since i have to work on every single bass and drum and drop to make

[@cahan7033]

I just hate people who think that all EDM is 'noise' and 'wubz' with no emotion or soul. There are plenty of very talented music producers who produce amazing dance music with emotion like Porter Robinson, Illenium, Audien, Zedd, Project 46 etc

[@stupidgaming1vh]

Porter is my waifu

[@cashminimum]

*coughdeadmau5cough*

[@jennywithaglock3916]

"Swine" & "aura" are two songs by lady gaga with deep meanings, aura is about hiding in fame, and Swine is about her rapist. and they are both such good EDM songs

[@twentyhundred2000]

and besides, EDM is much different from in general, electronic music, as many come to learn.

[@twentyhundred2000]

+Luca Perugini Yeah, actually, Zedd has ghost-produced many of Lady Gaga's tracks.

[@NoShotTwoKill]

This dude is a troll. Clicked on the video to dislike it. Watched the video. Liked it

[@nobrainz9222]

Frenchcore4Evur ikr

[@TimsDaBossMC]

More like an anti troll

[@andrewaquino6758]

Frenchcore4Evur i did the same exact thing

[@ffiloi]

same

[@vineetshinde9969]

Frenchcore4Evur same lol

[@kaie7767]

Electronic music has ALOT of talent and can take a really long time.

[@goegr2986]

who else didn't like it so it would stay at 69 likes

[@ELMATAGACHATUBERS-hf2vo]

Whatever takes creativity takes talent

[@juicenot2481]

But that does not make it music. It is an imitation of music. Holding the definition of music is not a positive or a negative thing, so you don't need to feel insulted when sounds compiled on a computer are not considered to be music. A team of scientists, engineers, and programmers can spend thousands of hours creating a robot with very real-seeming intelligence, but even after all their talent, education and hard work that imitation intelligence is defined as "Artificial-Intelligence" or AI. "Electronic DJs" make "Artificial-Music" or AM.

[@juicenot2481]

@@ELMATAGACHATUBERS-hf2vo Plucking a string several times in just the right way takes musical talent, with an instrument that creates a sound, a musical instrument. Pressing buttons, and clicking a mouse, certainly take talent, just not musical talent. You might say it takes a musical ear, and you're correct in the same way a person with a talented or at least an informed (they know what real beef tastes like) palette eating an "impossible burger" made of fake beef tastes like beef. But no matter how much its tastes like beef, no matter how many people like it, no matter the talent or creativity behind the creation of this fake beef, it is not beef.

[@lukebuggey955]

Yes sometimes but it can also take no time at all and be dead simple but as long as it's catchy it will go big, doesn't matter if it's a piece of crap that takes no skill

[@keithm7004]

just started composing electronic music last year. it's so technical. I've played bass guitar for 16 years and I'm more impressed at people who can compose electronic music. just my opinion.

[@officialexplex4305]

So long story short, we electronic musicians are cats

[@reverb3458]

thats a plus in my eyes

[@buffmywifi3839]

Official Explex that's one way to look at it

[@andredavidsson358]

yup i know more about myself now

[@ExE_9808]

meow

[@Bentami]

Official Explex Good, I like cats more than dogs anyways

[@benapsley9552]

I used to have this mindset... until I actually started making electronic music. As someone who plays a real instrument I think making an electronic song is actually even more difficult than making one in real life. The reason is, when making electronic music you have to 1. Basically make the intstruments 2. Make them sound good 3. Create a good melody 4. Make the structure 5. Add effects to the instruments 6. Find good samples 7. Make fine adjustments to make things perfect And keep in mind, a lot of us do this with just a keyboard and mouse.

[@DaRealNim]

Exactly, thank you.

[@adriellightvale8140]

Ben Apsley I make music on my phone. It's quite convenient if you ask me.

[@noeldoesgames4121]

Human No. 8 agreed

[@aidenhong2338]

Yeah, with prerecorded tracks on garageband...

[@TheGiantMidget]

I would argue though that the time it takes to be a top level electronic musician is nowhere ear as much as being a top level guitarist or drummer. The amount of practice it takes to maintain that level of excellence on a real instrument is ridiculous

[@gmabbit]

as an instrumentalist i have literally played things for the first time in my life during performances. i can turn on a microphone, lay down one cut and be finished. as a producer I can make a decent electronic track in... 6-8 hours? Performance and composition are pretty different things. Being able to improvise a solo doesn't make me any better at writing a song - in fact i learned to improvise because of learning composition. From the perspective I have as a musician who took up production later, playing an instrument is kind of easy - you don't really have to understand anything that you're doing, just doing it over and over will make you competent. Fire up a DAW and you need to not only have a competency in music but you need an understanding of sound. As a direct result of this I learned the actual principles behind things like the order of your FX chain, frequency, waveform, gain, eq, reverb, compression, delay, envelope filters etc etc - all of which have made me a better musician. So what if you're not physically and subtly interacting with something in real time to make sounds? Music comes out of your brain not the thing in your hands.

[@Twisty543]

Well said! I like the last point

[@HumanTypewriter]

But then it is all just soulless corporate and wrong. Music is about what you feel and getting other people to feel it. Expressing yourself. Frequency, waveform ect. Making something as catchy as possible is not music. It's mass produced crap for the vapid teen.

[@XxBobTheGlitcherxX]

hannibal jr I do not understand what you mean. Are you saying electronic music is soulless or are you just hitting on mainstream pop songs?

[@charhoang]

hannibal jr pretty sure electronic composers like philip glass don't write music for the masses m8

[@dustinhoornaert3485]

Yeah there are artists out there who actually make chill melodic tracks to just relax and listen to, mainstream garbage is what people think of when it comes to electronic music, and it gets a bad rep for being annoying, loud, uncreative etc. when in reality creativity is your best friend in music, and a lot of pop music artists just aren't that creative and just stick with there reverbed snaps and terribly annoying synths lol

[@madisonrose1893]

"these people are not talentless. they have different types of talent that I don't enjoy as much." so happy this got in my reccommendation. miss you dave!

[@Thesnakerox]

People say electronic music has no soul... If you know anyone like this, get them to listen to a Tristam song NOW.

[@xavierthe9]

Thesnakerox My Friend...

[@waldheimm]

Nah man. Listen to pretty lights or some bassnectar.

[@xavierthe9]

Ima Person Oh yeah, Bassnectar is great too

[@waldheimm]

I like Tristam but PL and Bassnectar are really the most soulful electronic musicians you'll find.

[@ketam1ne420]

Ima Person Bassnectar, my god is he fantastic. Him and Seven Lions are so goddamn good.

[@hopliteman]

To be a digital musician means to know how computers work as well as how sound works, including mathematics. People with negative comments about it should just shut up.

[@thetoot9615]

Fuck you

[@avogaming7129]

Translates to people with different viewpoints and tastes should just shut up.

[@sleeepy181]

Translates to you do you and let them do them.

[@seafoam8012]

Avo Gaming Oh, so people aren't allow to have free speech now? SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIORS!!!! Come arrest this disgusting miscreant!

[@avogaming7129]

lol if you think I'm an SJW because I think EDM is shit, then you've got me all wrong xD I don't deny there is probably some talent in making EDM, the same way there is probably some talent in burping your ABCs, doesn't mean it's good or something I want to hear. At the same time you're entitled to your opinion about EDM. That's literally what I said as opposed to what this guy said: If you dislike EDM then you should just shut up.

[@Zenthex]

having no visceral toy, such as a guitar, to play with and master gives electronic musicians much more time to focus on theory and technical skills, rather than "getting good". saying an electronic musician has no skill because he doesn't play an instrument is like saying and engineer doesn't have any skill because he doesn't build his bridges with his bare hands.

[@Zenthex]

***** funny enough, the "laziest" electronic music is usually the most popular. i think this is because the simpler a harmony is the more people can appreciate it. there exists more modernist electronic compositions, like reso - unexist, but you kinda have to look for them.

[@hugovanhove6947]

Zenthex this limits his range of instruments. And when you play something you are using motor skills associated with patterns and sound. This makes music much more intrensic because the musician undelibraty adds more senses and makes the music that much more enjoyable

[@Zenthex]

Hug Me Hove humanized "mistakes" don't make a recording better. i always found this argument ridiculous because the entire job of a producer and his $10k studio is to get a recording with as few mistakes as possible.

[@hugovanhove6947]

Zenthex i didnt say anything aobut mistakes....

[@ShredPenguins]

Wrong again. I can say they have no skill because skill requires a substantial amount of time and you can make passable EDM in under a day. Most people making EDM professionally have only been doing it for 5 years or less. And your analogy is flawed. Calling an EDM artist a musician is like calling a construction worker a structural engineer. One has years of hands on experience and training, the other role can literally be filled by anyone that can learn to use a hammer.

[@aquinoguh]

hahaha that skrillex reference at 02:26 was priceless! awesome video

[@MonsterBatinator]

I play guitar and record it into mixes, as well as piano... yet apparently on not artistic... lol

[@Hydra_Quartz]

Haha, he was inspired by Skrillex

[@coachro4st13]

*laughs in classical*

[@marcustschiller7695]

*laughs telepathically*

[@joeyvenal7304]

*Laughs in BASS BOOST*

[@dancechannel3013]

laughs ironically ( i n t h e f u t u r e )

[@dancechannel3013]

yes it is I, Dance Channel, the famous youtuber, making a comment on another famous youtuber's video. i know all of you are quite surprised to see me, but this proves that I'm a normal guy just like you. buy my merch.

[@coachro4st13]

+Dance Channel no

[@UnPhayzable]

Hey look it's DeadCat5 in the background

[@ethanbezz]

UnPhayzable or Meowingtons, the name of his actual cat

[@Shade-XVCI]

UnPhayzable doesn't really work

[@starshooter2541]

Mr. Meowingtons! :3

[@HengRayErn]

Its funny cos mau is cat in chinese

[@adammurray4408]

Deadpu55y

[@connordouglass8120]

How can anyone believe EDM producers are talentless? The concept of music theory still applies, they still have to make sure the keys are the same, or lead up to the key changes, have to do the same notes over chord progressions, everything still applies. The only difference is the instrument. whether it's a physical guitar, drums, etc or if it's all compiled into a program. you still have to create it either way. Unless you just have a really good ear, you need to know about music theory to create it, especially from scratch. If it's so easy, then everyone would be a DJ but there's some people who do suck at EDM as the same with actual bands.

[@hanzo7618]

Ignorant people that know nothing of Digital Audio Workstations and music in general

[@jacobthesomething]

"they still have to make sure the keys are the same, or lead up to the key changes, have to do the same notes over chord progressions, everything still applies." that "music theory" that's required for edm is more of just common sense. your program gives you an easy visual of what the notes are and you can easy move, copy, and paste notes. granted, not everyone is an edm producer but it seems a lot of small electronic music producers are edm. but idk

[@thecosmicblueautie]

Bjork once said, "if electronica has no soul, its because no one put it there", and you can rest assure Mr. Real Instrument wasn't going to try, especially since he does not have to ability to do so. But what do I know? Back to my keyboard and laptop then.

[@Cyber12YT]

I was bout to hate cause the title, but realised you're awesome for defending electronic music makers after watching the video

[@evanscheerer4818]

Who cares, I only care if the musician makes GOOD music not HOW he made it

[@thethinker2372]

finally a person with sense

[@harapanmusic3105]

you can't call music good you may think that electronic music is bad but i think that classic or rock music is shit and electronic music is good and between i also don't care how they made it i don't like screaming poeple with a agressive problem or violins and crap

[@CyborgCat]

If People Were Understood That MUSIC is not about TALENT its about how good it is or not good it is. And they call themselves MUSIC LOVERS. HA.... PATHETIC.

[@jadedpotato1574]

but any music can be "GOOD". I might like Elvis and you might like Skrillex. Neither of us are wrong in our tastes, we're just different. Even liking super basic pop shit is valid.

[@evanscheerer4818]

Jason Dijkie i like electronic music so i agree with u bro

[@jaypanthem2282]

I came here to dislike the video, cause of the caption. But I ended up agreeing with anything he said. And I liked it! 😂

[@plu3]

same lol

[@virik338]

same ahahah

[@jcdenton4534]

Jay Dominik Yep. Very relatable!

[@f.4w]

came to the video to dislike why bother

[@jaypanthem2282]

Tem cause the caption said "ELECTRONIC MUSICIANS ARE TALENTLESS" As a EDM producer myself, disagreed at first. So came to dislike it

[@amber_guitar]

Why do peiople judge musicians when they don't play an instriment

[@alleniverson4957]

The 5 k dislikes probably didn't even watch the first ten seconds 😂

[@paletapayasofan]

ikr

[@lorenzojerez9273]

i'll tell u that i watched the half of the video and i tell you i like it, so please dont make an opinion without knowing if the dislikes are because of that ;)

[@paletapayasofan]

Emilianeo Jerez what?

[@Werwa_]

Allen Iverson I disliked because of the clickbait title.

[@calvinkron7445]

+Werwa it was a beginning of an argument. Not clickbait, by my standards.

[@louier9033]

Can I buy 0:36 on itunes

[@dulcet_lemn6466]

Louie R I need that piece 😩

[@55yxalaG]

XD

[@flavio4923]

It probably should have a name like "baby farts in the bathtub"

[@jonroberts9845]

Flávio true

[@ethanhsiungbasstrombone]

Louie R *$0.10*

[@ChrissyboyH44]

Hardcore Nickelback and Bon Jovi fan here. I strongly believe that all electronic music should be banned from all radio stations, television music channels, and the internet asap as it's all just techno crap. There is only one sub-genre of electronic music and that is techno crap. Anybody caught producing or even just merely listening to techno crap should be arrested, prosecuted, and serve a minimum prison sentence of at least 5 years. There is nothing creative or talented about producing techno crap. All you do is press one single button, and the computer makes the whole entire track for you in just 2 seconds. Even a deaf, dumb and blind person can easily do that. Every single track sounds exactly the same because in actual fact, there is only one track that's ever been made, and I call it techno crap. DJ's just take that one single track and then call it their own after pressing one single button. I am very narrow minded and believe everybody in the world should agree with me, because I am 100% correct. There is no relativity except mine, especially when I talk about any electronic music (or should I say techno crap!) Any techno crap posted on youtube should be marked as spam and taken down immediately. I am thinking of starting a petition to ban all electronic sounds worldwide as I utterly detest them and think they are destroying the human race and are bad for you. They give me severe migraines to the point where I feel physically sick. Aggressive, loud shouting about negative subjects in hard rock and heavy metal music never gives anyone a headache though, obviously! No matter how brilliant an electronic sound may appear to be, it is always realistically utter garbage because it's all just techno crap. All people who produce and listen to techno crap are high as a kite on drugs 24/7 and have zero intelligence. Anybody who likes American rock or metal on the other hand, has never touched a single drug in their whole life and never ever will do. After all, they are classed as highly intellectual beings and the only people worth living. If I hear what I think to be a fantastic American rock album, but the very last track has a split second of an electronic sound at the end, I bin it! Bon Jovi and Nickelback would never dream of utilizing electronic sounds in their music. I FUCKING HATE ELECTRONIC SOUNDS!! I FUCKING HATE TECHNO CRAP!! Can anyone detect any sarcasm here? Just wondered. I rest my case, rant over.

[@zeebird]

Took waaaaay too much time to get your point of sarcasm across bud. But I do see were it's coming from. You do sound like one of those Electro haters that have no clue what the genre is.

[@ChrissyboyH44]

I know, but as you can guess I'm just blatantly ripping the piss out of all those people who say electronic music is pointless and not real music.

[@valdeizm]

So you want to put me, a 10 year old producer from denmark to prison because you don't like dubstep or EDM? Jesus, calm down

[@ChrissyboyH44]

Duckface, I love EDM. I am simply taking the piss out of people who hate it.

[@valdeizm]

Wait it was a joke...

[@denisdemarcus1]

You don't know the real talentless creators... NIGHTCORE CREATORS

[@gimmicks1040]

true dat

[@eva-2267]

Yessir

[@nebroskitheraut6705]

I agree!

[@spp6849]

fax fax

[@cottonlarry8470]

*Change track to a higher sample rate*....."I am a nightcore creator. Haahhaha."

[@WhosEddie]

You sound like one of my dads friends I don't know who would come and talk to me while my dads away for 5 minutes

[@lukehero]

Hahah that comment about 'take away the computer and what do you get, nothing!'... okay, take away the guitar and what do you get? Nothing! They are tools, to be used in different ways. Even a guitar is pressing a sequence of 'buttons' (frets), of course there is more to it than that (as with a computer), you get what I mean.

[@zoomeralertnation9835]

Luke Hero the computer makes having to learn an instrument and master it pointless nowadays. If youre talking about a song made with the program on your computer, the people that make those songs dont have to write a song for days and spend days trying to playing it right, all the people with a computer have to do is write it and upload it.

[@evanchong6482]

Yeah and why do you have to learn the guitar in order to make a song with guitar sounds? That's just bullshit, Notes are going to be notes no matter what instrument u play them on, however for physical instrument the playing is what makes them different. So if u can skip the "playing" part and just get into the "notes" part, why wouldn't you?

[@ItsM-px9sy]

Dr. Nooses Green Eggs and Memes You know, it could take fricking months for an electronic musician to finish a song. You must think about a non-boring structure, the sounds that you're going to use and how to make them, what needs to sound louder, etc. and without mentioning the mixing and mastering. Is not only to put some samples, export it and upload it.

[@jacobkelley257]

yea you can write a song and upload it, but you have to design the instruments unless you want it to sound like crap (like he mentioned). but that is only a semi good musician. to make a song feel more professional, you usually have to get a keyboard or pads or any other electronic instrument and actually play that instrument, which requires mastering it.

[@Vishnu-xn4vx]

@@zoomeralertnation9835 Disclaimer: i play guitar, and i also play a lot with different electronic instruments, so there is a backup for mi critteria. 1-The only thing that would take you time in guitar is "playing" it right, not messing notes and so. Song writting can be hard or easy in any instruments being computers, synths, guitar or piano. So don't come with that "it's harder, talentless computer musicians with no effort" 2- I dare you to even think how to make, just with a computer, no midi controllers, not even a High Quality DAW, to make something near to Burial's Untrue and then say it requires no talent or effort.

[@markk_]

I actually threw a ball for a cat and it fetched, so yeah.

[@Zhire]

you have a awesome cat

[@Katalystic]

yes, some edm artists can in fact also play the guitar

[@cxge.]

you stupid fuck

[@Keyonu]

Siren Msp Skrillex has also covered this topic.

[@ironmaiden530]

My cat fetches too

[@djstapler]

I saw the title and I came here to rant. But I applaud you! It's really hard to make something that sounds decent.

[@connorhare449]

I don't have any real reason for not liking electronic music, I just don't particularly enjoy it, but I have to agree with the points you made

[@N3M3K3]

Connor Hare and thats an entierly fair opinion to have! Different tastes and all. :)

[@PauLtus_B]

Question for you: what electronic music have you heard? I find if rough to find, well, any type of music that I really like, but electronics is mostly used out of laziness and because if the infinite potential it has, in my mind there's about zero good electronic music that really comes to the surface.

[@eadlynjune]

While there is sub-genres in electronic music if you tend to dislike the sound then I understand how most electronic music would turn you off. It's all a matter of preference.

[@paulaxa1]

listen to "silent enemy - diabolic ".. thank me later

[@beastvicious8672]

Have you heard electronic rock like Celldweller/Scandroid, Blue Stahli, Zardonic, Voicians, The Maniac Agenda, Veela, Krewella?

[@Twisty543]

If anyone thinks electronic music is always less creative than other music, i want you to listen to Alon Mor. Every sound in his music (except voices) is made digitally, even the sounds that sound like real instruments. The composition, mixing and melodies are so amazing. Here's his SoundCloud: soundcloud.com/alonmormusic Other electronic artists I would recommend are Au5, Sakuraburst, Fractal, Laszlo, Koven and Flume.

[@mr.meestard164]

Thank you SO much, man. Alon Mor is one of the greatest composers of our time.

[@bigfeetbigmeat4204]

Oh my gosh his stuff is amazing! Thanks!

[@LMvdB02]

that sounds like random bits of classical music and natural sounds to me

[@mr.meestard164]

Well did you listen to the songs first? Trust me, they are not at all random. The orchestration on the tracks is beautiful.

[@twentyhundred2000]

yes bro, Alon Mor is amazing. Been listening to him for a while. I also recommend Tennyson to anyone in this thread. A lot softer than Alon Mor but definitely in that extremely creative realm.

[@Ryan-bx4br]

As someone who plays multiple instruments, it really isn't that hard to sound decent on guitar. People exaggerate how difficult it is to reach an intermediate level on an instrument. However, I'm trying to learn how to create electronic music now and it's far more difficult for me than learning an instrument. I really don't think you can compare the different skill-sets, or say which one is easier/harder.

[@Cryptobones117]

This. I play several instruments, and by far the most impressive to me is the composition of an EDM track.

[@Beatncore]

On the other side, there is not a correct way to make electronic music. It is supposed to be a results of experimenting with sounds and atmospheres. I mean, you can try to reach "that" sound or just make your own, that would be the essence of electronic music. Sometimes we get a little lost in this, trying to sound like everyone else to get good critics from people who think that electronic music is "this" but not "that", they don't understand the essence of it.

[@pezit]

The question is are you comparing learning to play an instrument to composing songs on the computer? Maybe what you find so hard is to compose whether it be on a guitar or on a computer.

[@Ryan-bx4br]

Nope, I can compose much more easily on guitar. It's the skill-set of creating sounds and navigating the software that makes electronic music difficult for me.

[@addisonscontent2024]

Owl City (Adam Young) mostly makes electronic music. It's really good.

[@burger322]

Yeah no

[@mrbuffwoopmusic8788]

@@burger322 Shut

[@burger322]

@@mrbuffwoopmusic8788 both me you everyone s h u t

[@burger322]

@@mrbuffwoopmusic8788 shut start now!

[@hw7202]

2:25 glitch in the matrix

[@manylittlefish693]

We're are in a simmulation of a simulation inside another simulation

[@raahilshammin7563]

Ms. Zombangle and that will loop back to a simulation that we simulate that simulates a simulation simulating simulations that simulate us.

[@qp2337]

Raahil Rahman and everything you just said is a Simulation

[@manylittlefish693]

queetchee1 of a simulation

[@ttroyscarrlett]

"Hello again, to all my friends, together we can play some Rock n Roll"

[@jaredjx]

2:27 You just earned yourself a fucking subscriber. edit: damn almost 100 likes I feel accomplished. another edit: WHY IS THIS COMMENT SO POPULAR

[@nates180]

THAT REFERENCE WAS PERFECT

[@ketz_165]

Nate S what was it referencing I'm curious

[@nates180]

George Ketzler It was a reference to the ending bit in Skrillex - Rock N’ Roll (Will Take You To The Mountain). Skrillex had sampled that line poking fun at the people saying electronic musicians weren’t musicians.

[@adrianwalker2881]

We have.... technicians here, making noise.... no one here’s a musician... thery’re not artists because nobody can play the guitar!

[@achintya-7]

Jared Kun skrillex

[@ThatJohnnyGuyyy]

Digital music composing isn't the problem, it's the mainstream bullshit. We deserve better. Electronic composing can make good hiphop and dance music, even works as a fusion with guitars for some bands, it's just a lot of the time, the basic shit gets famous, and the underground music doesn't get out there when a lot of the time, it's better. There is a LITTLE good mainstream music, but I turned off the radio years ago and decided to go for the artists beyond the radio.

[@fulloffreedomwr8948]

I totally agree I played all this hardcore underground shit at Taco Bell and nobody liked it only cause they couldn’t recognize it. Glitchhop complextro any of it

[@fulloffreedomwr8948]

I strive to find what’s least common and most hardcore of that specific genre. But it seems to me that I can’t escape all this overplayed common music. I hate it rap today sucks most rap doesn’t have the meaning it used to behind the words. Hit music is only about gettin chicks and acting Justin Bieber hot shit. Me I want some music where I can feel it not just hear it and be like Yo that’s some good shit.

[@ThatJohnnyGuyyy]

I think one great example of the best of both worlds is Juno Reactor. Personally, I think he's one of the best modern day composers. I mean, yeah he goes way back decades ago and was mostly a hit in the 90's and early 00's, but he is a genius. The way he does his live shows with live instruments and digital, like he does his music, is incredible. Listen to the soundtracks of the matrix movies, the original score, you'll see what I mean. He worked with another composer and it's brilliant. His other work is solid too.

[@jochempunt9177]

Real Faction / Piercing Lazer thats why its called underground music... and if it not were anderground music anymore it would be mainstream

[@ThatJohnnyGuyyy]

Mainstream has sometimes been good every once in a while, but it used to be way better.

[@kilokavatacha2667]

I loved the Skrillex reference, "nobody knows how to play the guitar"

[@zimmeh3026]

When i started playing guitar, i found out that many good songs are actually not that complicated, and hard to play.Then i realised that good, touching music does not come just from practising for years. The basic factor in making good music, is just expressing yourself. The bond between you, and your favourite band is sometimes made by feeling the same way, the musicians did while making their songs [ this is where music taste mostly comes from, so you dont have to cry on internet about how shit everyone else's music taste is ].

[@inhumanename2903]

I actually really dislike electronic and trance music but that's just personal taste! The artists themselves are certainly talented, I'd just prefer to consume the output of someone else's talent!

[@Sandity]

Ever listen to electro swing? It's my favorite sub genre of electronic music.

[@zohaiblateef6554]

I like trance

[@Robo_123]

The way u say u dislike elctronic music is so kind thank u for being so understanding eveyone has opinions

[@sen-te8oq]

:)

[@matthansen758]

I respect your opinion, however have you listened to some of trance's true classics? Trance nowadays is mostly trash, I'm talking about the origins, where some of the most uplifting, melodic and emotional pieces were created. Listen to these two and then tell me your opinion about them: Marino Stephano - Eternal Rhapsody kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJKnnaeOmL54qtU Salt Tank - Eugina kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaSmooVjp9-djpo If it's not to your taste then I understand, however to people who say this is soulless and emotionless you don't know what you're talking about, simple as...

[@dtjackson1647]

How many people disliked the video without watching a second of it just because they saw the title? Sigh...

[@marcusgarcia1495]

DT Jackson he was talking about how producers do have talent

[@dtjackson1647]

I know, that was my point.

[@greenhat3667]

DTA2 Lul do you lack the intelect to comprehend my statement?

[@greenhat3667]

DTA2 And guess what? I looked at the guy who said it and it turns out he's a guy who doesn't do something as fuqed up as judging a book by its cover. At least watch the video before you dislike. This video may appeal to another group of people. Otherwise, don't like or dislike the vid if it's not ur thing.

[@greenhat3667]

DTA2 The dislike also reflects on the content. For example: An investigatory project. If you have a great title, do you get a thumbs up by the teacher even though your content is shit? No. The title is something that establishes an opinion within a viewer before watching and I think this one does a good job. At least praise him for the content.

[@IanPotato]

As an electronic musician I really agreed with many points you made in this video

[@rangers5445]

Go on Fl studio for 10 minutes and come back and tell me EDM producers are talentless

[@PJEffect]

***** Ableton is a lot better for beginners in my opinion :)

[@PJEffect]

Matthew99 It works well but I'm not a big fan of the synths that come included with Cubase, if you're willing to go and get your own sounds then you can make Cubase work really well

[@PJEffect]

Matthew99 True but I was thinking more as someone who has only just got into synthesis, I'd rather go with Ableton Live Suite than any other DAW due to the quality of the effects included and the actual synths they give you, while you can customize other DAWs with VSTs I just think that for a beginner that's a lot of running around that could easily be avoided, I'm also a fan of using the clip view in Ableton for arranging parts so that also plays into it a bit

[@The.Righteous.Artist]

Rangers 54 I know it's been a while since you posted this but i agree i use fl studio and i'm still getting my EDM career started, i want to become a EDM producer and i'm never going to give up on that dream EDM producers have talent

[@Thesnakerox]

Go on *Reason or BitWig* for 10 minutes and come back and tell me EDM producers are talentless FTFY. Reason and BitWig are, as I've heard, far more complicated.

[@ToukaGhoul_The_Arrancar_Ghoul]

I cant stand electronic music, but i do see why other people like it. There is definitely talent involved. There is talent in most this music. Talent is required in almost everything. For example when i waa film school, i had to use a camera for a shoot. At first i thought it was going to be easy. Then when i got behind the camera, i had no idea what i was doing. So i can see why this kind of music can just as hard as hand held instruments, if not harder. So good for you, have fun, and just do what you love. People need to think more optimistically. XD

[@ToukaGhoul_The_Arrancar_Ghoul]

Sorry for errors, im on my tablet and cant edit it.

[@ToukaGhoul_The_Arrancar_Ghoul]

The kind of techno music im into is Kerwella. She mixes techno and singing so well together, i wouldn't mind going to see her live.

[@VoodooGMusic]

+The Angelic Otaku It's not techno... One of the things that bothers me are people calling all electronic music "techno". Techno is a tiny unpopular subgenre in a field of hundreds of more complex and interesting music. And no matter what argument you throw at this I will be able to prove you wrong.

[@VoodooGMusic]

***** hundreds.

[@VoodooGMusic]

***** still hundreds. it doesn't excede 300 at most. no it never goes up to a thousand you'd probably have multiple thousands if you count all genres every but the ekectronic variety is too young. and most undefined songs count as "original mix" which puts them inbetween genres which by then also puts them into polygenre or progressive.

[@oecuwu9251]

*READS TITLE* *_I M O F F E N D E D_*

[@daltonpinson2831]

Watch the video

[@michaelmorales1475]

*WATCHES VIDEO* *_N O T O F F E N D E D_*

[@yoiboi8515]

Thing as that I hate that people think about electronic music..... 1) all electronic music is called dubstep 2) electronic music is made with one of those dumb apps you can get from the play store 3) making electronic music is easy

[@Kssomskdsusizjsixjejjd]

PLAY3ER SLAY3R Yesyesyes!

[@Lenmire]

You don't like Dubstep?

[@yoiboi8515]

@@Lenmire no, Dubstep is my favourite subgenre actually. It's just some people think edm is one genre and they think it's all called Dubstep

[@undyne3366]

In the Renaissance, not putting blind trust in the church was blasphemy. In the 1800's, impressionist art was not art. In the 1930's, jazz music melted your brain. In the 1950's, rock and roll was the devil's music. And in 2018, electronic music takes no talent.

[@kenzocervoni9335]

hmmm.

[@Fallen_Wings_Audio]

Nightcore Fantasy You're a dumbass. He's taking other stigmas from the past which were blind and unfounded to show that this is the same when saying electronic music takes no talent. Think before you type

[@joe-en5vh]

This sentence makes me cringe. Edit: It's not even a sentence though is it?

[@Splackavellie85]

Nightcore Fantasy It makes sense to someone that’s actually able to see a correlation between subsequent sentences. There’s an obvious one that you seemed to miss, even though you’ve had multiple occasions to notice it. But let me guess; I’m a “dumbass” too. It couldn’t possibly be that you had a lapse in comprehensive reading.

[@jordn-wo3db]

Lesley Harrys lemme respond for nightie fantasy *dumbass* (I don't mean it btw)

[@MetallenVikingr]

being a musician/composer/producer I am familiar with both sides of the argument as I produce music which has both electronic and acoustic instrumentation and then proceed to mix and master them. It is not easy to write a good song, being able to write is a talent in of itself. Let me explain. Most people give up, they tell themselves the song is no good. They feel shame or embarrassment and stop before they get anywhere. I would say that being able to shut up that internal voice and compose anyway is either an innate gift or honed talent. The riff however is not done there, it must be honed, the creator knows the riff itself is good but must create several versions of it, harmonize it, create a bass line for it or simplified version of it, put rhythm to it, or lyrics. Being able to take something that came from yourself and hone it into likeable music is a skill. Sure we can break down the science of why it works or sounds good but at the end of the day music is music whether played by machine or human. A keyboardist isnt belittled for playing a keyboard but the Synth composer who can write out the same song and humanize it in a program is? It sounds incredibly petty and semantic and like the people making the argument have the minds of children, underdeveloped, closed off, lacking in appreciation for specific mediums and why they sound good.

[@Nisashi3K]

@@manoneal1724 and you know what about making music? Show me your hit song.

[@yungkb7580]

@@Nisashi3K Hit songs dosent even have to be good. But they require that people like it. Hits should be simple and cachy. Often 4 chords too. Thats how hits are made.

[@TheMusicalMedic]

"He can't create music without his computer." And you probably can't create music without you guitar.

[@lyricbot8513]

hotshot927able LOLLLLLL TRUEEEE Although acapella?

[@KevinZePanda]

Well actually a lot of people write for orchestras while not playing all the instruments in an orchestra, you don't need an instrument to write a sheet of music if you've worked your ass off to hear harmonies and lines in your head. Or if you were born with perfect pitch I guess. People don't always write for the instrument they play and sometimes they purposely get away from their own instrument because you get into habits when improvising, so you get away to stray away from the habits to make something different and unique.

[@rithvikpillai7855]

hotshot927able if you've studied music theory you can, its not that hard if you know a little. i don't need my guitar to know that a catchy pop song can be made using Am,C, Em7 and G

[@Jelenjas]

Rithvik Pillai just like a producer who doesn't need his computer to come up with the same chord progression.

[@rithvikpillai7855]

Jelenjas well you can always create different progressions

[@chris89261]

He : Edm music does't have soul. Le Illenium : Hold My Guitar

[@26SynthOfficial]

Avicii also

[@KeistasZmogelis]

I play both. And while it's untrue that electronic music is talentless and requires no skill, it is easier by far. For example, I could either write the piano track in the midi editor, or play it by hand. The midi editor is extremely easy in comparison. The whole skill that electronic music requires is basically knowledge of the software. Not more, not less. Learning software is far easier then learning an instrument. Talent - Knowing what sounds you want to achieve, creativity. That's the hardest part for both groups.

[@opfelix231]

I agree to an extent. I'm a drummer and I write EDM as well. What you're saying seems to me like comparing apples and oranges. Of course playing a song on a piano is harder than putting the song together on a midi input. That's not the point though. Also, knowing the software very well doesn't automatically translate to being able to create good music with it. It most certainly takes musical talent to create electronic music, just not the same musical talent as it takes to perform Beethoven on the piano. Knowledge of music theory, the effects that will accomplish what you hear in your head, and just making the song sound pleasing is what takes talent, as well as good mastering.

[@1cecr3am71]

2:26 Dat Skrillex reference which Skrillex also referenced.

[@PismotHello]

Pryzzm lol no dumbass

[@cody42693]

I like both. Just sayin. All EDM is good usually. I have issues with Big Room, though. Often find it boring...

[@HelpShiroNow]

I have experience with both rock music (mostly metal) and electronic music (mostly hardstyle and hardcore but some trance). It's clear that making good electronic music requires so much more creative ability than making a good rock song. With rock music, you're _given_ the instruments, and your only job is to come up with a sequence of chords that sound good and come up with good lyrics, and then top it off with bass and drums. With electronic music, you have to _create_ every sound you hear, you're not given any instruments. Every sound is conceived of in your imagination, and you have to turn that into actual physical sound on a computer, only then can you put together a melody with everything else. For example, creating a good kick is extremely difficult with hardstyle and hardcore and it takes a lot of time and painstaking effort to make a kick that sounds good, but with rock music, all the drummer has to do is stomp his foot down to hit the kick drum. But as far as the actual difficulty goes (not talking about the creative ability), you can't really compare rock and electronic music. Learning an instrument is obviously very hands-on and physical, whereas working with DAW software for electronic music is much more theoretical and requires mental effort instead of physical effort.

[@willybruckner3566]

***** Bullshit. In a Studio, nobody needs skills on a Drumset. You hit the Kickdrum. Record that and sequence it. You do the same with all the other sounds. The same goes for guitars. You plug it in the Amplifier and the Combo, tweak that a little and off you go. (Learning to play the Guitar is not that hard, I've been doing that for like 3 Months and was ready ... ) I now challenge you to learn sound synthesis in 1 day (As you stated, it should only take up to 25 Hours). That includes the theory behind it as well. And don't think you're done as soon as you know how to make a waveform move. Now there is more than just one type of sound synthesis. One of my favourites being FM Synthesis. What now? Oh, sorry. Now you need to learn about each single different way of arrangement of each genre in order to produce some high quality tracks.

[@ClikcerProductions]

If that's your experience of "Rock music" then you've been doing something wrong. Any rock band that only uses simple chord progressions of course do make very simple music but if you look into hard rock you see a lot of solos and interesting transitions. Its very hard to generalize rock music due to the differences between it. For example I can't stand pop rock, I despise it yet I love hard rock. I like electronic music too but my opinions throughout the wider genre are far less varied.

[@PauLtus_B]

***** Could you reply to my earlier comment and not the people who are getting angry at you? Thanks in advance.

[@NicklausSIR2]

***** yeah I'm also in the ranks of prog here, not too much into electronic music. But Zappa did experiment a lot with the use of computers, and concluded that they can do a great job, especially for "boring" parts, that a musician won't enjoy playing. But he also found out that audiences already felt ripped-off when they discovered their music had been played by a freakin' machine. So you quoted Yes and the Floyds, who are awesome, of course. But then how many other "3-chords-make-song" rock bands were there at the time ? I guess it's the same for electronic music, there are probably a bunch of real geniuses amongst copy-paste-and-press-play so called DJ's. And it's probably the same for rock and electronica, the music industry only wants to make radio hits on the recipe, killing the diversity, and we get to see only cheesy soapy bands/DJ's.

[@NicklausSIR2]

***** Indeed, if I sit down for say, 1h, and write a nice guitar riff, then it will take me 3h to record it with the proper sound, without mistakes and fuck-up and in a perfect timing, and then mixing it with the rest. Or maybe it's just me sucking, but a lot of time goes into the production more than in the actual writing :(. When programming, you still need mixing and production, but you don't have to record in 20 takes for a complex 4 bars riffs. That doesn't remove any of the credit to anyone, but the fact that you don't have to go through this painful process when programming maight be the reason why it's looked down upon. That being said, I do struggle with my guitar and bass parts, but I have no second thought about quantizing and rectifying my keyboard parts.

[@pontusjansson1308]

People who say electronic music requires no talent can't make anything themselves argument. I like. Cat argument. Like revoked.