BRAND-NEW Hull Trains 'Paragon' - First Class Review (London to Hull / Class 802)

Hello, welcome to my First Class review of the new Class 802 'Paragon' units of Hull Trains! Another train trip report on my channel. :)
In this video, I will be travelling on one of these brand-new bi-mode Hitachi trains from London King's Cross via Doncaster to Hull. The unit for today will be 802304, operated by FirstGroup on Hull Trains routes.
These new trains replaced the Class 180 Adelantes, with East Midlands Railway (EMR) taking these over and operating them on the Midland Mainline. I was a fan of the 180 fleet, so I wanted to see how the new Class 802 'Paragon' fleet would compare. They are named after the station, Hull Paragon Interchange.
Hope you enjoy this video of my thoughts, and don't forget to subscribe for more weekly content.
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Journey Details:
Origin: London King's Cross
Destination: Hull
Company: Hull Trains
Train: UK Class 802 'Paragon'
Accommodation: First Class Seat (1st)
Distance: 205 miles / 330 kilometres
Time: 2h32m
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[@skyediann3399]

"This is Coach D, seat 69" Nice.

[@SR-eo5no]

Not the first time he has done something like that

[@jimisjourneys]

Nice

[@shadowedits5]

4:00 lol

[@macjim]

You should report the smell to Hull Trains, and the fit and finish problems too. In Scotland, we have an app where we can report issues to them to have Scotrail deal with them... it’s very effective.

[@Mgameing123]

Like First would care

[@telemachus53]

It all looks and sounds a bit tatty for a First class trip on a new train.

[@MrJlc93]

That's how things are done here in Hull, our standards are quite low 🤣

[@Number-tv2uf]

Every seat and around it is NOT made in Japan but made in German or somewhere, I heard. In order to birth employments for Euro-workers and they like cutting costs. This is one example. Plz check what country make them. All Shinkansen-bullet train in Japan have very soft-touched fabric seats and huge leg rooms, even in economy class seats have big leg spaces, however, ..... That made us to pay much much more money for the trains :( Plz consult google the worad "Sinkansen seats" .......from Tokyo.

[@sergiofreitas9368]

@@Number-tv2uf The issue isn't "euro workers cutting costs", some of the most comfortable trains have come from European manufacturers, the issue is the DfT spec, which means that they ordered seats for these trains that would *normally* be used on commuter trains in places like Germany and Spain, so it all makes for an unbearable experience at high speed. The jagged harsh ride doesn't help either, and the build quality is quite abysmal.

[@Number-tv2uf]

@@sergiofreitas9368 Thanks for your reply. Please check out the words of "the GranClass Car" on KZbin. I hope I can ride on the seat some day. It's' very expensive to get on.

[@omegamezle]

Ironing Board seats say hello

[@bagelcrisp]

M e z z i e

[@SuperalbsTravels]

I wish, the ironing boards are much more comfortable. 😥

[@moose_ringo9161]

they're actually not that bad I find, but no par on a 180

[@nixcails]

Given the preference I try to organise meetings in Exeter and Truro to coincide with a Castle HST. Still IET's far better than a Voyager.

[@gabrielstravels]

@Mezzie Hey, at least they are not as bad as a Thameslink Class 700! Those trains are proper ironing boards in my opinion 😂😂😂

[@jimmenycricket4598]

I travel 5 days a week on the LNER version - Azuma - in standard accommodation and sorry to say but I find them noisy (traction motors maybe) uncomfortable and generally boring. Unfortunately as more TOC's are ordering these trains there'll be no escaping them 😕

[@rabd9881]

Epic traction motors is the future no more boring old trains I want every toc to order them😁😁😁😁😁

[@Ed_Gilbert]

Fifapro 200 It’s quite hard to go to sleep in standard class when the seats are really hard and there’s no head rest to put your head on.

[@rabd9881]

Eddie's Adventures it’s not a sleeper train

[@AbsolutGB96]

Classic Britain, we’ll be paying for these trains long in to the future. Japan do the hard work, we just put them together here and manage to make a hash of that.

[@jimmenycricket4598]

@@AbsolutGB96 Not all of them were/have been assembled in the UK; I'm sure Italy was involved in assembling some of them

[@meanderingmedic]

If they are anything like the GWR Hitachi trains they are a retrograde step....

[@class56trainsrock62]

Basically just the same train accept its just got a different number

[@BIGV710]

@@class56trainsrock62 scrap them they are rubbish went on a satzuma from KX-INVERNESS i was knackered when i got off

[@Aidankiwi]

@11.14 Where you show the train branching off the East Coast Mainline, you are in fact continuing along the route of the original ECML. The section of ECML between the junction (called Temple Hirst Junction) and diverging off and joining the York to Leeds line a few miles south of York at Colton Junction was a completely new section of track opened in 1983. The original ECML route followed the route of the Hull train as far as Selby. The section between Selby and Chaloners Whin Junction (slightly closer to York than Colton Junction) was closed and lifted when the new line opened. The reason for this was anticipated subsidence of the old trackbed due to expansive coal mine workings in the Selby area.

[@russiandrivers9986]

Bring back the HSTs

[@Danse_Macabre_125]

YEEES

[@Ukit50]

Hitachi only supply train car but most of the internal are design and built by local UK company as agreed to ensure local participation on such project.

[@JackBowley95]

Good review. Nice to see how they compare to the TPE ones I deal with on a daily basis. The toilet doors taking themselves out of action is a common problem. As you say, just manually closing the door resets the switches. The system that moves the door doesn't appear to be very strong and so movement of the train causes the door to open and it thinks it's broken.

[@bobtyler8374]

First class seats looking like second class seats on 30 year old train stock.....

[@agent_605]

I’m genuinely interested what 30 year old train has standard class seats that look like that

[@TheCatOfWarCSGO]

@@agent_605 Mk4/IC225s? Wait no those are nicer

[@agent_605]

TheCatOfWar They’re ok seats and are better than standard on an AT300, but I’d pick First on an AT300 over Standard on an IC225

[@garthcox4]

Or 40 plus year old mark 3s, unbeatable!

[@agent_605]

garthcox4 They’re much worse that AT300s IMO, especially with the original seats

[@oliverblake1889]

Its a shame really, these trains had so much potential...

[@neilmartin1531]

I agree with everything you said, except for the bright interior on these Paragons, which I liked. Obviously these trains are built to a price... cheap as possible, that's why you have the tatty plastic interior. Great video, thank you.

[@robertp.wainman4094]

Unbelievable that the country which brought railways to the world is now incapable of having a company to build something better than Hitachi and Siemens. How bland can a train be?

[@williamhuang8309]

BREL has gone to sleep.

[@edharris2395]

well they can, but this is a massive project which requires a complete overhaul of a long distance intercity fleet across four major routes.. I don't think anywhere else in the world has attempted it..( when you think about it France and Germany are running their stock into the ground with nothing fantasticly new to replace them) and the UK taxpayer isn't going to be too happy to fund research and production costs on that scale when they could get something cheaper ..already tested and manufactured in the UK

[@Mgameing123]

Fun fact: Hitachi made the trains

[@Anmol4824]

INDIA Aspire to have trains like these.. Love from INDIA...

[@EleanorPeterson]

Hi, Amol! I think India deserves better than this, my friend... :-) Seriously, though, I can imagine how busy the rail network in India must be, so I'm not sure these 'rattly' trains would survive those huge distances and harsh working conditions for very long. They look good on the outside, though. Love from England! ♥

[@afcgeo882]

This makes Amtrak feel down right luxurious!

[@ronclark9724]

Amtrak may have some wear and tear on their seats, but at least you are sitting in a 40 years old coach built to last a long time. Appears Hitachi builds their coaches to last five years tops before they shake themselves apart...

[@lamborghinihexagons5502]

Ew AmErIcAn TrAiNs

[@jamesrobinson9194]

Or crack

[@gb9727]

Like how it's got a colour scheme like the firstgroup train brands before they had their own brand identities

[@soundseeker63]

I prefer this Hull Trains livery to the LNER (ex VTEC) livery. Blue really suits them, the bright stripe along the side reminds me a little of the fond GNER livery. Though I don't like the grey nose cone. It should be yellow or maybe silver, grey looks bland. Unfortunately I have noticed all the interior design, build quality and refinement shortcomings (except a urine smell, thankfully) on the LNER sets. It seems these are all criticisms that were leveled at the GWR sets when first introduce, and I think it is a real pity nobody has listened and the issues have not been addressed at all. I am thinking of writing to the DFT about this as it seems the passenger experience on these (and numerous other new trains) has been largely ignored and they are a significant step backwards on their predecessors in most of the key areas. For the prices we pay I think we deserve better! I'm sure Hull Trains will do what they can to fix the build quality but they are rather limited in how much they can change, and really shouldn't have to do that on a brand new fleet.

[@paullangford8179]

Was the smeel due to disinfectant? A lot of the trains have sticky handles as well.

[@huddersfieldtrains]

Smeel? I Assume You Mean Smell?

[@stevieinselby]

I have been a semi-regular Hull Trains passenger for a number of years, although I haven't travelled very much since the Paragons came in. My view of the previous trains was: As you would expect, the Turbostars (170s) were just not up to the job of long-distance travel. The Pioneers (222s) were fantastic - as well as looking stunning, they were really comfortable to ride in. It amazes me how they can be so much better than the almost identical Voyagers used on CrossCountry. The Adelantes (180s) were nowhere near as nice, feeling cramped and downmarket in comparison to the Pioneers, they rode roughly and suffered from poor reliability as well. Their only advantage was that they were 5-car rather than 4-car and so there was a better chance of getting a seat, but that was all. Although the ride quality on the Paragons may not be as good as you would want from an intercity train, the fact that they are running off the electric and so you haven't got a diesel engine thrumming away under the floor gives them a definite advantage for at least the bit of the journey between London and Doncaster. I didn't particularly notice the ride quality as being poor (at least, not worse than the Adelantes, but that isn't a high bar) but not having the diesel engine was a definite improvement. Hopefully the fixtures and fittings can be tightened up going forwards to improve the ambience of these trains.

[@aidengillag]

Good video. Have you made Hull Trains aware of the interior fault issues? If not, as much as they get checked, they often don't see a lot of the issues as what show up when the trains are in service / at full speed. So they do appreciate being made aware, so that they can be reported to engineers to take a look at overnight. I'm also surprised that they revert to Diesel power before leaving Doncaster. I always thought these trains were capable of changing power source at speed. Accelerating on electric and then changing over to diesel when at speed would surely save fuel, especially when doing so multiple times a day.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

I agree, I expected the diesel engine to come on a little later, even if just after the acceleration.

[@JJthrashing]

I don’t think they can switch over to diesel mode while in motion the pantograph can only be lowered while stationary before it can fire up its engines.

[@brianlaunchbury4491]

So the peak of high speed trains was really reached 50 years ago, depressing. Third class seats in first class, unbelievable. Was the choice of these trains a continuation of the "let's get everyone in cars" mindset, I speak as someone who spent more than thirty years designing cars but loved traveling by train when appropriate.

[@richardwills-woodward5340]

Interesting you say that. I have to travel a few times per month to Harrogate. These trains are so bad that I swapped to the car - much less stressful and my back and ears are much happier! These trains are not Intercity. We have gone backwards.

[@soundseeker63]

@@richardwills-woodward5340 Are you talking about the new class 195s by any chance? I had the misfortune of having to endure those between Leeds and Manchester several times and it was a very uncomfortable experience to put it mildly! :-/ Enough to make me reconsider driving it even if it means getting stuck in traffic in both cities.

[@DonaldTrumpIsGreat]

Hull Trains Have Fantastic Livery 👍

[@SuperalbsTravels]

I like it!

[@gabrielstravels]

Sorry to disappoint there but the Hitachi Class 800 series are one of my favourite trains on the whole UK network! I've been on the GWR IETs (Class 800/0 and 802/0 so far) and I love how fast they accelerate and how they can change mode even at speed! Even in diesel mode they are quite good! Although I agree with you that the seats aren't really the best. The GWR ones were not as bad as I thought, and although quite comfortable, I felt that they would be better suited to commuter and regional trains than long distance trains. Also, I noticed that when the Hitachi accelerates, it makes a weird panel noise that sounds like a plane overhead locker being closed and locked. Why is that?

[@fetchstixRHD]

"closed and locked" I think is the door pressure sealing? I think the 395s and 22x units do similar if I remember correctly

[@SuperalbsTravels]

I think it's something to do with the doors, yep.

[@gabrielstravels]

@@fetchstixRHD That's possible yeah

[@gabrielstravels]

@@fetchstixRHD 220s and 221s don't from what I remember

[@fetchstixRHD]

@@gabrielstravels : From what I remember the 220s do it (though it probably wasn’t that loud) - I had the lovely XC Experience™️ of having the forced choice of standing in the doorways of a 4 car unit 😂 maybe I might be misremembering, might try and search for a video that demonstrates the sealing.

[@ace-paidinfull5240]

This train is nothing short of sexy. Its very appearance is the reason im here, i love seeing all the class 800 variants, this has to be the best on so far😍

[@SuperalbsTravels]

The livery does look smashing, doesn't it?

[@ace-paidinfull5240]

@@SuperalbsTravels rather dashing to say the least!

[@aljack1979]

Bring back virgin 1st class

[@brayand8022]

13:05 It was a double 185!

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Yeah! Most services are now double sets at the moment on TPE Class 185 routes, possible thanks to the decreased service, and increase in availability of new trains. Ironically, my train from Hull was a single set. 😂

[@stevieinselby]

@@SuperalbsTravels All TPE trains should now be either Nova trains of some variant or 2×3-car class 185s, there shouldn't be any single 185 sets running (except possibly on the local Leeds-Huddersfield-Manchester trains that have no business being run by Transpennine *Express* ...) - that was always the intention following the introduction of the Nova trains, because the 3-car sets used to suffer badly from overcrowding. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any plans to allow Nova trains to run to Hull so we're stuck with 185s through here for the foreseeable future.

[@3506Dodge]

the azumas are pretty bad. I can't imagine they'll age well.

[@MasterMoyle]

Same could be said with the Voyagers, HST's (not got original engines and are suffering from rust in large number of places) & then there's the 350's as they havent aged well.

[@holnrew]

Voyagers are awful

[@LuperSoop69]

@@holnrew godawful *

[@henryviiifake8244]

@@MasterMoyle All those trains have the excuse of being older designs (Voyagers going on for 18+ years now, I think). The Azumas are brand new! 😬

[@ace-paidinfull5240]

That 170 at the end😍

[@BobaShakeMallow]

Shut up.

[@arnoldspottingvideos5269]

I love these units. Oh a Northern Railway Turbostar arrived next to HullTrains Paragon that's nice. Sadly, the HullTrains 180s was moved to EMR but the new livery on the 802 it looks stunning.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Yeah, I love the livery. It looks amazing! But I can't wait to see the 180s on the East Midlands. Do you know which routes they will be running?

[@arnoldspottingvideos5269]

@@SuperalbsTravels No. But I know the 360s (Greater Anglia/TFL Rail) on electric will be running on EMR to Corby services.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Ah, looking forward to them as well. :)

[@Cactuspowerhousey]

I live near hull (Driffield) and I go to Hull *alot* so I see these *like every time I go to Hull!*

[@theobrattinga500]

Another great video !!

[@SimpsonBrooker]

From looks its like a new train with reconditiond features and fittings.

[@michaelmacdonell4834]

Most of the noise problems seem to be down to the lightweight construction of these sets, While it helps to make the train a little more energy efficient, it doesn'tinspire much confidence, and certainly makes for a less-than-pleasant ride.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

True, that might be the cause of it to be honest...

[@TonyH-8208]

I suppose this is the result you get when going with a DFT, on a tight budget, spec rather than going full out, custom spec - see HS1. The engine noise isn't overly that bad. Better than on the c3k fleet in NI.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

I find these much louder than a NI 3000.

[@edwardmortimer2150]

The IETS are everywhere, literally almost every british mainline operator seems to have one

[@twistedcheese1]

And they're all crap

[@edwardmortimer2150]

@@twistedcheese1 I miss the hsts

[@TEBEnthusiast]

@@edwardmortimer2150 same :(

[@edwardmortimer2150]

@@TEBEnthusiast funny now they have found to have cracks, HSTs didn't have cracks! 🤣

[@TEBEnthusiast]

@@edwardmortimer2150 yea!

[@OZnationalist]

Great looking train. Great video!

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Thank you very much, I am glad you enjoyed the video. They sure do look the part, it's a shame about how they ride... Have you been on one of these before? :)

[@bobbybrian9295]

Here's my Review as I have travelled on the regularly since their release. The seats are nothing to write home about but on a 6+ Hour trip from Aberdeen to London they become uncomfortable, On the other hand improvement in legroom is spectacular in standard class especially LNER's Layout. They are relatively loud but this may coincide with the ride quality which is also pretty shabby for such nice looking trains. Another black mark is the handles and armrests on the seats as 1. The armrests are thin and exceptionally low & 2. The handles used for stability while walking are located halfway down the seat and not on the top like on the Class 170. About the smell I believe that is all around the Class 800 Fleets as it would appear to be an Aloe Vera smell from a cleaning agent. Much Improvement is needed to match the standard of the 125 & 225 sets. Overall Rating 6/10.

[@williamhuang8309]

So, change the cleaning agent.

[@DanielsUKT]

Nice trip report vidéo the livery does look good

[@rossochanel3168]

Lner is the only train company that made the Azuma look good lol 😂

[@alfredosgaming340]

And TPE

[@miahaskurti4539]

I Like How You Touched The Seat Padding

[@neiltonks4627]

I travelled standard class on one of these in its first week of service, before lockdown, and the smell was a problem then, too, so it’s not a new issue. In my experience the LNER and GWR versions don’t have this problem, only the Hull Trains sets, so I wonder what’s different about these?

[@ronclark9724]

Probably the air freshener is off...

[@jamesdsvid276]

Good honest review. Thanks Dylan.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

???

[@ConfusedOxygen]

Wrong channel matey

[@AndrewNeymar]

Hey! What's up! I Discover you channel today (1 hour ago), here a new suscriptor from Spain.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Hi there, thanks for that! 😀 I'd love to go to Spain for railways. What would you recommend that I try out once I am able to? I've not been there very much.

[@AndrewNeymar]

@@SuperalbsTravels I recommend AVE trains, all tipes, & night services, TALGO trains too, always welcome to my country. I recommend you to visit Atocha Station with his tropical gardens 😊

[@SuperalbsTravels]

I will see what I can do. I hear they are getting rid of Trenhotel night trains now? :(

[@sidney001]

I absolutely hate the Hitachi 800's They are without doubt a real backwards step in passenger comfort I'd rather ride from the cross to Hull on a class 158 rather than one of these cheap pieces of plastic crap. The electronic WC's are always broken and the ones in scum class although having an analogue lock are certainly not built for comfort As you say the lighting is more akin to a dentist surgery And where's the buffet?

[@railman6868]

I do 100% agree with your every word

[@rabd9881]

I love them accept the future old man we must innovate

[@rabd9881]

Don’t bring hitachis name in it they had nothing to do with the seats, long live these trains

[@sidney001]

@@rabd9881 You've obviously never traveled 1st class in a GWR HST these pieces of junk replaced.

[@rabd9881]

sidney001 xD I havent been on gwr since I was 5 and it was called first great western we went on standard and it was ok but boring thats why I like the new trains

[@brawlstarsmomentsandvideos6530]

Superalbs travels I have a video idea for you which I would adore to see :-) A cross country 170 ‘turbo star’ normally there in wales if this is possible I will be very pleased as your videos are great!

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Hello! I will try that soon. :) Thanks for watching.

[@brawlstarsmomentsandvideos6530]

@@SuperalbsTravels thank you so much ;)

[@ranjithbalasubramanian1545]

New subscriber here.... Would have been an experience trying to have that light meal in a sub comfy seat surrounded by wee smell eh?

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Lol, I'll take what I can get. ;)

[@EuroDC1990]

Shame you had a few issues on this journey. I travel between Doncaster and Kings Cross regularly and tend to use Hull Trains when I can. I don't know why, perhaps just colour scheme, but I just find their trains a little nicer than the LNER version. I think I must be the only person in the world though who actually finds those standard class seats really comfortable!

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Yeah, I am a fan of the colour scheme inside and out! I've only really used the LNER ones a couple times, I tend to avoid them where possible.

[@davidturner2741]

I expect all these 800s will be in for a refurb in short order, the seats are cheap and uncomfortable compared to the Mk3 and Mk4. Mechanically they are good but everything looks and feels cheap even in First class. They had so much time to get it right and still not understand that people who travel long distances want comfort not someone who sits down for 30 seconds and says thats all right. Built with maintenance in mind rather than passengers.

[@everythingbyjanetdullaghan5122]

Love Hull paragons interchange

[@SuperalbsTravels]

It's quite cool!

[@MasterMoyle]

Iv not yet travelled on any of the new Hitachi units. 800's, 801's or even the 802's (the latter of which even now run on my local home patch from Lime Street).

[@ECML_South]

Bounds Green does not just assist, It is the Home Depot for Hull Trains 802/3's.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

I thought they were done at Doncaster.

[@ECML_South]

@@SuperalbsTravels This is correct in a way and do receive work at Doncaster. However, Bounds Green is the 'base' for these units and currently have 802303 and 802304 on shed as of 11/12 for maintenance.

[@Captain_Yorkie1]

I remember my first trip on the Class 800 series was London to Leeds. Back in late 2019, it was pretty good was a sleep for like half of it.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

I'm impressed if you can sleep on these!

[@crownjulesgaming542]

These trains are really nice, but the loose panel at 14:00 is unacceptable imo

[@TEBEnthusiast]

Imagine it fell on someone…,

[@andrewl5127]

I haven't travelled on inter-city services out of London for about 20 years when I used to be a regular user of the 125s. The new trains look amazing from the outside but as you say the finish and detailing on the inside is rather unimpressive even ignoring the fact that you are travelling First Class!

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Yeah, the livery is nice, but the experience is questionable for sure!

[@roderickjoyce6716]

I probably won't have a ride on a Paragon as I live further up the ECML. I have ridden on Azumas between Newcastle and Edinburgh, and Newcastle and York. I didn't notice a smell, but the seats in Standard and First are too hard and too small for anybody taller than about 5'10" (or 1.80m). The panels rattle; the ride is the bumpiest I've ever experienced on a modern train, and worse than some rides on knackered BR Mk 1s I can remember, but the thing which really, really annoys me is the bike storage. On HSTs and Class 91+Mk4s this is in the guard's compartment or DVT respectively; AND right at the end of the train where we cyclists can load our bikes without getting in anybody's way. The HSTs have a nice big hook to hang the bike by its front wheel, the DVTs have a bike stand and strap. The Azumas and TransPennine units have bike storage cupboards in the vestibules of coaches in the middle of the train. You have to lift the bike through a passenger door, then turn it through 180 degrees, usually while other passengers are trying to get past/load their luggage/wave goodbye to their nana - and then you find the hooks to suspend the bikes are too small for any wheel rim +tyre deeper than 50mm - which is practically every single adult bike on the market. In short, the Class 8xxx series are rubbish.

[@manomaylr]

This is close to what a First Great Western IET would have looked like if they hadn't rebranded to GWR. Those dynamic lines would have been stunning on the sleeker IET! Still, if I could wish for one thing only it would be to change the ironing board seats in standard!

[@SR-eo5no]

Sooner or later the DfT are going to regret supporting these trains, because it means that they are going to have to upgrade the ageing track because these trains mean that you feel every bump and bounce.

[@nipperdragon5837]

You are doing a great job of putting me off rail travel , keep it up 😊

[@SuperalbsTravels]

You should watch some of the foreign videos, they showcase some amazing experiences! :)

[@christopherhood9241]

sadly it’s not convinced me to leave the car behind. train travel in the uk really is going backwards. my car is quieter and much more comfortable.

[@adamw2911]

Sadly this was an analogy that I used earlier. Compare a present Ford Mondeo to its forbear the Ford Sierra from the mid 1980s. The present car absolutely destroys the Sierra for build quality, interior noise and comfort levels. They need to keep improving cars to maintain customers. The DFT are largely responsible for the appalling seats and build quality of the newer long distance trains.

[@ianhjan]

I would think that the build quality is to do with keeping the weight down. Will they stand the test of time?

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Maybe, it's just a shame they have to sacrifice quality for cost... We will see how they do.

[@simonparker57]

Were there no refreshments at all? I was thinking of using this service on Saturday to Grantham, but if no onboard service available will stick to LNER. Great video by the way.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

None, but that may have changed by now.

[@nathantrainspottingandmore4574]

These trains are a beauty

[@SuperalbsTravels]

The livery is stunning!

[@forza223bowe5]

I rode on a LNER Azuma and it wasn’t a pleasant experience, the motor sound was loud, door problems, seats were hard. Feels very lightweight and flimsy

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Sounds about right. :(

[@temslink2000]

the lightweight feeling is the point of these modern units as a lighter load reduces stress on the motors and wheels when moving the vehicle personally i like the feeling as it feels like the train is gliding along the tracks also i dont get why the motor sound bothers people its easily something u can drown out mentally or with music plus u kinda gotta suck it if u want more cabin space granted the issues with the diesel motor sound is something they have tried to deal with but lets be honest these trains were built with the intention that in their life time the need for the diesel generators will be fased out on all bar a select few lesser served parts of the uk mainline network which at that point better battery tech and hfc tech will probs be the mode of choice for the dft when these vehicles are replaced

[@eleanorheptinstall3499]

From what I know the former Hull Train's Adelaide's are being transferred to EMR as an interim measure before they receive their 800 series new stock sometime in 2022? maybe later now 2023-24? So you'll get one last chance to ride the ex-Hull Trains Adelante's before their own looming retirement. You might have been on the Grand Central Adelante's already.

[@johngardner5636]

Eleanor Heptinstall Adelante!

[@eleanorheptinstall3499]

@@johngardner5636 So that's where I've been going wrong,

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Yeah! I did a video on the Grand Central units, here it is (kzbin.info/www/bejne/noq6mGmBfbtkd9k). Look forward to seeing the HT 180 sets on the East Midlands, do you know where they will run?

[@eleanorheptinstall3499]

@@SuperalbsTravels from what I know once the Corby electrification is complete (2021 now), ex-Thameslink sets will service that route. 4 sets of the class 180 will beef up the services to Leeds/Sheffield/Derby/Nottingham as the HST's are withdrawn. EMR are not retrofitting the HST's as ScotRail & GWR are, and XCountry already have. So ride the UK's last full length HST's by 2021-22. (See recent Geoff Marshall video). Covid-19 has changed some of their plans and they received some ex-LNER HST's, so it is plausible that they may run the HST's for longer than originally planned. There is a video somewhere in KZbin by EMR explaining their strategy, as by between 2022 & 2024 they will only have class 170's, 360's and 810's.

[@gabrielstravels]

@@eleanorheptinstall3499 The Corby line will be getting ex Greater Anglia 360s not ex Thameslink trains. Originally the plan was indeed to use ex Thameslink trains, specifically the class 387, but they went to Great Northern instead.

[@natehill8069]

So, its a first-class... Pacer?

[@rabd9881]

Epic

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed. 🥳

[@beakytzw]

Thanks for the vid, where do you buy your split tickets from, is there a special website?

[@noahbowie5985]

While the livery is lovely it's not possible on most other operators to have photos of the local areas they stop at. For example LNER simply does not have the room to show off landmarks from everywhere they stop at from Inverness to London.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Yeah true, that would be a lot of places to show!

[@W8D_]

Kings Cross is certainly my favourite London station, but as someone whose local trains arrive at Euston, I don't have a very high bar.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Lol, it's a big difference huh!

[@W8D_]

@@SuperalbsTravels 100%!

[@stepheng7586]

Great video as always! There seems to be a common theme emerging with all 8xx class stock,and that is the appalling ride quality and quite frankly the seats are terrible,even in 1st class. Ive been on LNER and Transpennine Express 800s,801s and 802s and they all in my opinion have a terrible ride quality.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Thanks for watching! :) I agree...

[@soundseeker63]

It seems to be a common theme in many of the new trains not just IETs. I had a few trips on the new Northern class 195 and 331 and they were just as bad. Rock hard ironing board seats with no back support at all, cheap looking interiors with very harsh lighting, and a ride that crashes and shudders even on decent track - going over points at speed was incredible - like being in an old bus thats crashing over potholes! Very poor indeed. I think rock bottom price has been the main criteria in the DfT procurement process. The passenger experience seems to have been largely ignored. BR did a far better job with what little cash it had.

[@holnrew]

I thought they were supposed to be able to switch power source at speed? Seems kind of wasteful to use fuel and add emissions pulling away from a station like that. I seem to be in the minority but I like the 80x trains, the legroom in standard class is a pretty big deal for me, and I also like the big number of toilets. I love the old HSTs and 225s, such a refined ride, but for the GWR region the seats in the mk3 carriages were really packed together and hurt my legs. I do hope they change the seats at some point for something more comfortable though. And yeah the engines are noisy, I try to sit in a coach without them underneath.

[@gabrielstravels]

Whilst the seats aren't too suited to long distance trains, I find them alright. I've been on worse, such as the Thameslink Class 700. The Class 700 is absolutely uncomfortable and I hate the fact that I sometimes have to commute on them (I'd rather use Southern if possible, as I found the Class 377 Electrostars much more pleasant and comfortable to travel on). And yes my local line uses Southern Class 377s and Thameslink Class 700s.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Prefer the 700 seats, more comfortable than these in second class.

[@manomaylr]

@@SuperalbsTravels Ironing boards? No. Just no. When I'm on a 700 for more than 15 mins I'll seek out the declassified first class!

[@maimadha]

​@@SuperalbsTravelscan you review the Thameslink 700?

[@gb9727]

Pretty much the last first group trains In purple

[@rogerredding5269]

Why does the front of a lot of these new trains look grim and sad 😥 looking?a smiley badge type front would cheer a lot of us up in these dismal times liked the video though thanks for sharing.

[@vnse725]

It's a shame that UK train companies purchase so many trains from a Japan manufacturer but continue to have bad interior design. In Japan, bullet trains would never have horrible reverse-facing seats. It's painful to sit on them and I can't imagine the awkwardness to sit directly opposite a complete stranger for a several hours journey (luckily this is not gonna happen during Covid times). The large tables in European trains are also unnecessary in my opinion - they made it painful to get in and out of window seat even when there is nobody sitting in the aisle seat, while the table leg of an individual seat is badly situated and my right leg could not avoid it in any comfy sitting position. Finally, it's super annoying during Covid time that I need to press a door button to get on/off the train.

[@Ukit50]

Hitachi only supply train car but most of the internal are design and built by local UK company as agreed to ensure local participation on such project.

[@JacobsTrainVideos]

Looks like you got unlucky, the GWR ones are much nicer, because Great Western are the freaking best. Great video, I subbed.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed. I have a new GWR 802 video coming up in the next few weeks - stay tuned.

[@JacobsTrainVideos]

@@SuperalbsTravels 👌

[@CurvedGD]

The sound that you hear on those trains are the motors in the bogies

[@aldertravels]

Love the IETS! Lovely video!

[@NonstopEurotrip]

Agreed, but not if they smell of wee 😅

[@omegamezle]

@@NonstopEurotrip Voyagers: Allow us to introduce ourselves

[@NonstopEurotrip]

@@omegamezle 😅😅😅

[@rabd9881]

True

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. Which type is your favourite? 😀

[@russellgxy2905]

Jeez...I guess the 800's need some more fine-tuning. I know these trains are built with the same A-Train concept as the 395's, so perhaps the ride quality is due to the units being a bit sensitive on the track? Not sure about the interior conditions though, the TOC's using the Class 80X's should do something about that

[@SuperalbsTravels]

They do need some work, I hope they figure it out!

[@Stephen.Dixon01]

Blimey, picky. Never heard the blind rattle during the video. The diesel engine was only noticable on start up. As quiet as leccy when running. And banging on the panel, haway. Thats just daft

[@kennethhume8628]

Stephen Dixon , well I thought it was a very good review . Maybe you should carry out your own personal review and then you would be in a position to give a first hand comparison .

[@stevecooksley]

I'm surprised you didn't mention that you couldn't smell the piss on the video either.

[@kennethhume8628]

Steve Cooksley , unfortunately my sense of smell is very limited otherwise I probably would have 😉

[@longpier350]

Ey, at least it’s not northern rail, rode a pacer couple days in a row, Pain

[@Pulsarnix]

EMR have the 180s now if you want to review them

[@breeze1472]

Do report your findings to Hull trains so they can address these issues

[@michaeltaylor1219]

I second that!

[@Awesome_Transport]

2:21 You got lucky to go on platform 9, If you'd ran into the arches between platforms 9 and 10, you would have found the train to hogwarts!

[@ronclark9724]

A better train...

[@jacksdjfam]

Ive been travelling on these trains all summer and there is definitely no smell or rattling

[@theflippedpacer2429]

The best UK trains

[@NonstopEurotrip]

Careful- you'll get banned from this channel!

[@aldertravels]

@@NonstopEurotrip Can you take an opinion?

[@omegamezle]

@@aldertravels Can you take a joke? lmao

[@aldertravels]

@@omegamezle true lol

[@NonstopEurotrip]

@@aldertravels I love them, but then it's not my channel 😅

[@transitimprover]

3:40 FACE REVEAL

[@lamborghinihexagons5502]

!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!1

[@adamw2911]

Sadly yet another UK long distance train that doesn't focus enough on passenger comfort. So that's pretty much all 800 series and even worse, the passenger coach in the new sleeper stock. Hard, upright seating and a poor ride. Compare your average mid size family car from 30-40 years ago to the present. Absolutely no contest the newer models are far quieter and more comfortable. Why are we so incapable of procuring a longer distance train that's fit for purpose these days? We seem to do fine up until outer suburban, then it all falls apart.

[@vanillasplash6198]

WORST trains on UK rail. long live the HST. so many "features" not available

[@railman6868]

Yes, they are a very disappointing rolling stock product. A true austerity commuter train and we got them for the next 30 years !!

[@rabd9881]

Ahahahaha long live the IET I love these trains

[@garthcox4]

Voyagers are the worst

[@vanillasplash6198]

Well if the TOC upped their game a bit and provided a more premium service,even if its just for first class it would put this train above the HST. No idea what these degenerate companies are smoking at this time

[@SuperalbsTravels]

It was definitely interesting to have the HSTs on Hull Trains though, did you ever get a go on them? 😀

[@LucavlogsandgamingOFFICIAL]

But, is it going anywhere

[@mudchute4dlr]

does anyone know why platform 10 was removed at kings x?

[@anglingsteve]

The mk2d stock deltic hauled was 100% better.

[@still_guns]

Dear Hull Trains. Make the fronts yellow. Sincerely, Everyone.

[@JimbobsTransportVideos]

I don’t mind the 80x fair point but for £34 between London and hull in first class that’s dam worth it

[@SuperalbsTravels]

I only booked it a week in advance, so I think it was a good deal! :)

[@dodgecrickets7862]

What camera did you use mate

[@Thomas1980]

WOW! Excellent Video! L::::I::::K::::E:::::::::::::::::952

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Thank you. :)

[@dgattenb]

The same issues on the GWR from Cardiff to London... the seats are very hard, the lights are soo bright, the panels always fall off... and if you look at the 3rd coach you see the hasterly shoved engine under the floor. so you have an sharp incline you have to walk up ..

[@SuperalbsTravels]

You'll love my GWR Class 802 review then, coming in a few weeks! ;)

[@jamielnash5049]

Nice video man want to know my next travel will be not filming

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Yes, what is it?

[@jamielnash5049]

@@SuperalbsTravels I might try a class 175 from Cardiff to swansea

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Oh wow, sounds fun.

[@jamielnash5049]

@@SuperalbsTravels I was gonna do the class 800 but I done that 3 times

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Ah right, I have used them too. :(

[@simonpilk]

The Hull Trains branch off the East Coast Main Line at Temple Hirst Junction.

[@SuperalbsTravels]

Thanks for that, I'm terrible at remembering junction names...