BRAND NEW VS OLD - 2022 Honda Super Cub 125 vs 1988 Honda C90 | CUB-PARISON

A comparison of the 2022 Honda Super Cub (JA58) and its ancestor the 1988 Honda C90.
How do they compare dimensionally? How does the equipment and technology compare? Which one is faster? Which one is better? How are they to sit on? Which should you buy? Is a modern Honda Cub anything like an old one? How modern is too modern?

[@chutethemall8099]

Instead of just reading a bunch of specs, he actually shows you by taking measurements. That's when I knew I would enjoy this review.

[@edwardsp1916]

Informative and entertaining, thank you. I've placed an order for a Super Cub, just 5 months to wait! Cuptastic..

[@EpohDerf]

It will be worth the wait and if you get impatient, just hunt one of the rare 2nd hand ones...

[@simonhall5086]

Brilliant videos Fred. Loving the new supercub. I had a townmate 80 which had 4 speeds, great shoestring motoring.👍 Old C90s cost as much as a second had C125 now, mad

[@EpohDerf]

It is a funny little corner of the market, isn't it? You could argue that you could buy x,y or z bike for the same but it just wouldn't have the appeal.

[@732466]

that is true my 2019 supercub cost less than a recond c90 ...its crazy

[@madogblue]

I have owned a number of motorcycles, and I love my 2019 C125. It is simply a hoot to ride a low power bike briskly on the back roads. The motor hums, and smooth gear changes, especially down shifts are fun challenge.. Brings me back to my teens.

[@EpohDerf]

You're right about down changes. The clutch is taken away from you which means you have to get the flick of the wrist just right or you end up jerking and bobbing about. I love the thing.

[@hondac7028]

I have a 1980 v reg c70 six volt round headlight in aqaua blue fully restored by previous owner to new condition I always preferred old cub to 80s square headlight model I paid eighteen hundred for it 5years ago knocked price down probably worth 3 grand now I've had thirteen off them since 1987 love them legend bike .👌

[@sefton1972]

Great video. I had a 2020 model in blue with red seat but sold it when I passed my test. Once I’d got over the buzz of fast big bikes and having to look miles ahead at all times I started missing the chilled vibe of the Super Cub so now I have a red one coming. It’s a 2019 model with 380 miles on the clock. So best of both worlds now. My K2 Gixxer 1000 & red Super Cub for the different moods I go through.

[@EpohDerf]

You and I are not so dissimilar, I keep thinking a Gixxer 750 might be very big and clever....

[@mateusz1945]

here in thailand the next generation c100 (honda dream 100, ex5 in malaysia, astrea prima indonesia c100ex japan) its becoming very collectible. it got bigger engine and telescopic forks.I like how it looks very 90s .Interesting seeing evolution of those machines!

[@EpohDerf]

The more I look, the more I am able to appreciate every iteration and evolution. They all seem like great fun and perhaps worthwhile collecting.

[@kickstandism]

I just sold off my '83 c70 Passport and upgraded to the same red & black SuperCub. It's honestly a great improvement. While there are some things that aren't as perfectly simple as the older models (kickstand/starter, seat, key system, battery location), there's a lot of improvements (lights, engine, disc brake, wheels, exhaust) that make it a worthwhile upgrade.

[@EpohDerf]

I'm really glad you like it. I still really like mine.

[@paul8612]

Hilarious and also very informative. I rarely come across reviews that are both. Thank you!

[@marks-0-0]

That was an awesome comparison so good its as if I've already test ridden both for a month.

[@EpohDerf]

Either would make you happy. Do you think you'll get one?

[@kennethanway7979]

I had one just like your old one.... loved it!

[@Steve_Wardley_G6JEF]

I've just bought a 3 year old one in red, pick it up in a few days time, looking forward to giving it some use as it will be very different from my Tiger 900, which is another great bike.

[@EpohDerf]

I keep having strange feelings about a Honda Goldwing. I would own bikes at the polar ends of the Honda Spectrum then...

[@gloriahavland9844]

In love with these tanks. Want to 'upgrade' from my cbr500r to a new hunter cub but all dealers are absolutely scrubbing customers, it's a great bike but not a 6 grand bike

[@EpohDerf]

I too would love a ct125 but they aren't coming to the UK and importing one is quite expensive, if you can even get one...

[@SAKISMP007]

Nice video, I laughed a lot at the front, back in the saddle. Great truth. I have the press cub 50c 90s but I have upgraded it to make it faster. I love it, I use it every day in the city of Athens.

[@ukchris64]

I had two cub 90's in my time in London, was the most fun things I have ever ridden, although I do like the new Honda cub

[@EpohDerf]

That's exactly how I feel about cubs. I've had much bigger, faster 'better' bikes but the simple joy of a cub is unbeatable.

[@noblepolygon8694]

Finally someone of my height on these bikes for comparison! Seriously though, I'm torn between which to buy. I like the supercub 125 but hate the key fob and digital speedometer.

[@EpohDerf]

I am 6'1" or 185cm. Neither feels cramped and both feel small and chuckable. If you have the choice and you dislike the digital nonsense of the C125, get the CT125. Evem if you never took it off road it can do everything the C125 does with more luggage space and a bit more protection for the bike if it is ever dropped.

[@jonperry64]

Great, honest, informative comparison. I've got a C90 and an Innova and I think a comparison between those two would be very similar. Cheers

[@EpohDerf]

I like both a lot. Using both plenty, too.

[@michaelnee1470]

Got an 86 C90. Cuts out in the rain so bought a 2019 C125. Like you said works fine. Miss the mirrors, seat and Kick-start.

[@EpohDerf]

I mean, you can still kick a C125 but not much happens.

[@michaelnee1470]

@@EpohDerf haha. At least it gets me out of Swindon. 😜

[@EpohDerf]

@@michaelnee1470 the most important feature of any vehicl26

[@DearSX]

I have 2 c70 cubs with 125cc engines. Most things you said sounds about right for my bikes too, I'm probably gonna sell one and get the new super cub. Great review!

[@EpohDerf]

I haven't tried a C50, C70 or C90 with a bigger engine yet. Be very interested to though. What engines did you use? Lifan seem very popular.

[@JohnSmith-ch9lp]

Really good comparison. Just sold my Honda ST1100 after 8 years and fancying a Super Cub (as they are so similar lol). I'm not overly keen on the all grey colour scheme. When are the 2023/24s released in maybe different colours. Of course you may not know this. Thanks again for the informative vid 👌

[@EpohDerf]

I agree, the stealth bomber colour scheme is a bit overly mean for the calibre of bike. I've seen a lovely grey and white combo but as for if it exists and whether we will ever be allowed to buy, I don't know...

[@wesleycardinal8869]

Thanks for the comparison, yes they're great bikes. I have a 2021 model in red and cream, and I honestly just like looking at it. It gets more attention than my other bikes, people smile and sometimes come up and chat about it. It's hilarious fun, possibly because it doesn't demand anything of you. Sure you can get a cheaper 125 but that isn't the point as you said. The C125 is a very worthy successor to the long line of cubs and cub variants. I think Honda did a great job with the styling, and for the money, you're getting a true design and style icon. Cheers from Australia 👍🇦🇺

[@EpohDerf]

You're right. It does enough if its own thing whilst nodding to its past. I've had much spicier bikes and about the only thing that generates as much attention is a peugeot 205. I think small, unoffensive, approachable vehicles draw petrol heads and non petrol heads in. I have a strong desire to see the Honda CT125 over here (the newer iteration of the Australian 'postie'). I will be coming to Aus next year so perhaps I can buy a postie and ride it back?

[@wesleycardinal8869]

@@EpohDerf The original 110 cc postie bikes can be had for around $3k aud but the CT125 is over $8k from memory. Ride it back by all means. Nathan Millward did!

[@EpohDerf]

@@wesleycardinal8869 8k is probably a bridge too far... An original 110cc might be nice. How much is a postman's uniform?

[@ArtLifeThings]

The 22 really has my favorite color set.

[@chubbybrown4real]

A new 110 in C90 imported was very tempting for me, seven seas have them

[@EpohDerf]

Give in... You're a long time dead...

[@charleshunt3806]

Did the cub 90 is cute and everything but I would definitely not want my super cub to be slower. I have enough trouble keeping up with traffic with this one but it’s good enough.

[@AlstarPalmer]

Great video. I pushed my bike pretty hard yesterday going around 55 to 60 mph for about an hour And was surprised by the fuel economy. I got just about 100 miles per gallon. I was under the impression this bike to get upwards of 188 miles per gallon. Was I pushing it too hard do you think?

[@EpohDerf]

I'll be honest, I've not had the chance to run a whole tank dry yet. I know I've not spent a lot on fuel but as for long-term MPG I can't comment yet.

[@EpohDerf]

Just done a 600mi odd trip and it did 139mpg.

[@elmparkdave]

Get the double seat. I'm 6 ft 1 . And it's a game changer !

[@EpohDerf]

A fellow 185cm person. Double seat you say... Does it interfere with the electric clicky button for the petrol cap? I've put a top box on now so have a back rest of sorts which improves things. Where in the UK (or world) are you? I'd love to try a double seat.

[@norb4152]

@@EpohDerf Hey, I just got a c125! Quick question, which top box did you put on? Did you replace the second seat with it or get one that goes out the back? Neeevermind, just saw you have a whole video on it! Awesome!

[@EpohDerf]

@@norb4152 wahey! If it is the video I made, yes, you lose the pillock seat and replace with a majestic cheese carrier.

[@kickstandism]

@@EpohDerf you'll have to ush the button and then unloc with a key on the back section, but you'll also get to move your butt back 10 inches while riding.

[@EpohDerf]

@@kickstandism sounds optimal

[@ScudoCamper]

Loved my old c50 I had from the 70s was brill had it for years. Can't compare as can't afford a new one. 😄

[@EpohDerf]

If you look and get lucky you could get an old one for very little. You could relive your youth...

[@jonathanmellish4439]

Interesting comparison. I have had a C90 similar to yours for less then a year and nice to hear your thoughts. The rear shocks are terrible and I only just realised they have no damping. I like the new one and would have both. I have heard the grey 2022 has better shocks than the 2019 model. I can’t get more than an indicated 50 which tbh is fast enough as it’s pretty unsettled.

[@EpohDerf]

The c125 feels a lot more refined, especially when talking suspension. I can get an indicated 60 on the C90 down a hill but it feels a bit cruel to the old thing.

[@MrSportster12]

Great video. I have a 125 Cub amongst others and love riding it. Most miles in a day was 250 from near Reading to Wales and back using back roads. Wish they put a kick start and proper key on the 125.

[@EpohDerf]

I agree with you. No doubt it is stoutly built but I think it is probably not as durable as the original. Time will tell...

[@mc-gl8rx]

Thinking of the super for camping trips.

[@EpohDerf]

So am I. Weather getting a bit antisocial here now... I will give it a spin before snow starts.

[@SAM-zt2uy]

Will you do a video on the Volvo? When I was 23 I bought a 940 Turbo and wound the boost up and it’s still the best car I’ve ever had apart from mpg 😂 I would love a Cub 90 and came close to buying one the other year but just couldn’t justify the money for what it is so ended up buying a Vespa ET4

[@EpohDerf]

Never tried a vespa but I can do you a Volvo video. A Volvideo. A Volvid. I too had a pink 940 turbo with the boost wound up. Hilarious.

[@SteveGouldinSpain]

I've not seen a Supercub in the Wild yet. Are folk buying them. All I see are scooters.

[@EpohDerf]

I've not seen one in the wild yet either...

[@monkeymousechicken]

Great vid mate funny and informative

[@EpohDerf]

Thanks. Just back from lands end and the lizard. Nice biscuits and shortbread incoming

[@religionisasnare]

Thanks for the video, very helpful

[@EpohDerf]

Very glad you found the video. Thanks for commenting. F

[@Cubrider]

Whats the insurance and tax like on the new in comparison? You've got me thinking of buying a new one to go with my old one, oh and I also have an Africa Twin

[@EpohDerf]

Tax is £22 a year or £0.06 a day. Insurance I think ran me £109 or maybe £137 - quite cheap I think.

[@Cubrider]

@@EpohDerf done it. Made a purchase today, so now I have ,all in red super cub, c90 ,and frica twin

[@EpohDerf]

@@Cubrider congratulations. I hope you really enjoy it. What was/is your first ride?

[@Cubrider]

@@EpohDerf my main bike is a dct Africa twin but my favourite is my 1997 c90. I moved house so have a smaller garage so had to sell my fireblade ducati 916 gsxr750 a 1997 red/white R1 but could never part with my c90

[@andrewbye8793]

just watched ya vid...was in two minds which one to buy as had a c90 42yrs ago but liked the idea of the 125cc engine ...any ways just got a 2002 c90 a week ago as it was the right price at the right time as they say ....I liked how you compared them thanks for the vid ..

[@EpohDerf]

If you ever see a dry day again, enjoy it! What colour?

[@andrewbye8793]

@@EpohDerf blue like the one I had in the 80's only this one with the square head lamp ...am waiting on the weather getting better as I have a photo of my self dressed as a Punk 42years ago ( I was 18yrs old )sitting on a c90 in the yard of me mams house 5 mins from where I live now ....I plan on knocking on the door of the peeeps that live there and asking can i recreated the photo be a laugh if nowt else ...I did a photo not so long a go of me an my misses top of Sutton Bank 13yrs apart on way to the Farm Yard Party

[@EpohDerf]

@@andrewbye8793 I really hope they go for it. Question is, do you still have the old camera from 42 years ago?

[@eefs6659]

2:11 2:11 2:11 Great review love it Bro 2:27 2:28

[@732466]

I have a Super cub C125 as you say the seat is crap if your over 5ft 9ln .I bought a bench seat from Ebay cost £150 but still like riding with a plank strapped to your bum ...Not to be beaten I had extra foam and a none slip cover fitted . My riding position is about 2 inches higher for the moment but its very very comfy I can travel all day at 45 to 50 .The 1 other thing I have had fitted is a buzzer on my indicators as a few times I have had a few near misses

[@EpohDerf]

@@732466 for indicators, I tend to obsessively tap away at the button. I tend to just put up with the discomfort as it isn't tremendous and I couldn't fit a bench now as I have a box the size of a planet.

[@o00scorpion00o]

The new 125 doesn't have twice the power does it ? I thought it was around the same 9 Hp and much the same torque ?

[@EpohDerf]

I had the c90 dynoed at 5.13hp and the new C125 is 9.65hp so it is almost doubled, yes!

[@o00scorpion00o]

@@EpohDerfah thanks for clearing that up, I thought they were roughly the same but suppose 125 vs 90 will have more power .

[@EpohDerf]

@@o00scorpion00o fuel injection Vs carb. 2020 engine Vs 1970's engine etc.

[@o00scorpion00o]

@@EpohDerf True, fuel injection has probably been one of the greatest advancements in motorbikes along with ABS, anything after that I think should be optional such as TFT screens etc. I have an electric car with touch screen and having to adjust the heating temp and fan through menus along with the radio is infuriating but this is common for many newer cars today which is why I think cars/bikes should be tech for those who want it and cheap for those who don't want it.

[@EpohDerf]

@@o00scorpion00o I think you're on to something there. A touch screen to control things when a knob, slider or button was just fine seems overkill. I've been in a few electric cars and whilst they have some novelties and are undeniably very quick in most cases, they leave me cold so far.

[@JohnDoe-xr5is]

I have a 2019 Supercub. The seat is really bad, made worse by the high peg height. I can't ride it for hours, because I will hurt....'down there'. But it sure is fun.

[@EpohDerf]

@@JohnDoe-xr5is sorry to hear your romantic array takes a pounding. Have you tried sitting on a sheepskin?

[@rockinginafreeworld3256]

Have you found the valve clearance settings for the inlet and exhaust 22 year ?

[@rockinginafreeworld3256]

Do you know the valve settings for the 2022 cub?

[@EpohDerf]

Just replied to you comment. Sorry it took me a while to reply. Been riding a lot (in the cold)!

[@lesboalty8878]

May I suggest Gary’s baldies as a biscuit suggestion!

[@EpohDerf]

On the list. Soon enough I will gobble some up Merry Christmas.

[@heritagehillsecurity8778]

Thank you.

[@EpohDerf]

Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment.

[@S8250503]

KISS! Keep It Simple Stupid. Just bought 1986 C90 for about the same as I could get a 2022 Super Cub. Too many things to go wrong on the new one.

[@EpohDerf]

Congrats. What colour and mileage etc? First trip?

[@AlstarPalmer]

In America our bikes shift up with the heel and down with the toe. Is it really reversed?

[@EpohDerf]

Yes sir. If you are in Neutral, my bike is toe down 1st, toe down 2nd, toe down 3rd, toe down 4th. From 4th it is heel down to get back to 3rd, 2nd and 1st.

[@williamcoulter5462]

The new 2022 has the new modified engine with an oil filter same layout as the 110 cc so the gear shift is reversed. It got me when I got mine after watching the US models when I saw the gear change was different.

[@phillipevans7045]

Can seat be interchangeable?

[@EpohDerf]

Grand question. I have somewhat made my bed by fitting a top box where the pillion seat lived. I would really like a long, continuous bench seat but wonder how it would play with the electrical button release for the petrol cap...

[@earlsammesios8696]

Sir bribg here in the phillipine ,,if we haue vintags motor cab c 90,,

[@edwardharrington678]

Some of the old Club 90s are as nearly as expensive as the new model.

[@MaciejKulas-o4d]

Bravo for Tom Ford glases!

[@EpohDerf]

They are actually made by a company in London called Cubitts. They have been extremely tough

[@kevhukbiker2856]

I have the 2019 super cub it will do 120 miles to the tank if you really put it honda say 188 ? No chance but great bike! I also had the c90 (honda Joe) years ago was great fun

[@EpohDerf]

The supercub 125 is EXTREMELY good on fuel but the tank is tiny. I will do a test to see how many miles it will do on a fill. Just have to remember to take a spare can of petrol with me...

[@williamcoulter5462]

I did about 120 mpg with 40kg of gear loaded on the back on a trip to Scotland throttle pinned most of the way there and back, I changed the oil when I got back and it was black I suppose it is not supposed to do 1700 miles at full throttle including the NC500 Applecross Pass

[@Jev8oy]

Hi, I have Monkey 2022, but want new Cub as well. Wife not gonna like it 😂

[@EpohDerf]

If you can afford it, go for it. Wives can be changed almost as easily as motorbikes if it all goes wrong!

[@ПавелПопов-э1о]

Хонда супер каб, легенда мопедов

[@SalopianBivvyman]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@grahampeters7642]

Fantastic video thanks so much 🙏

[@EpohDerf]

Graham. Chuffed you think so. Will provide some "living with" videos soon...