Buy A 2025 Indian Scout Or Indian Chief?

[@BrandonBicasso]

Which one you going for? ‘25 Scout or Chief?

[@DJPTEXAS]

I owned the first year model Scout and a Springfield Dark Horse, all subjective I know but in my opinion if you are doing any highway riding the Chief, if its mostly around town the Scout as you are correct it is a smaller bike and I did not like the gearing on the highway on the Scout. I added longer shocks on the Scout which helped and up graded the springs on the front. The Springfield was fine with the stock suspension......

[@BrandonBicasso]

Good info. That suspension gets overlooked. I was fine with it on the newer ones given 3” but the Bobber at 2”… whew it was rough. The front end on Rogue made the 2” bearable but that thick front tire takes no prisoners. I haven’t had enough time with Springfield beyond demo rides but always thought it was a sweet set up.

[@jonathantyree8172]

Springfield!

[@BrandonBicasso]

Boooo that’s not a choice 🤣

[@jonathantyree8172]

@@BrandonBicasso i know i know. It's the price for being 6'4 and 350 lol It would def be Chief with all the extensions if i was running solo

[@markgriffiths3923]

I’ve got a 23 Chief dark horse. With a few ergo mods, it’s the PERFECT bike for me man, I love it!

[@BikesBeardsAndBrews]

I dig the scout but I really liked the more industrial look on the old engine over on the new one

[@BrandonBicasso]

I feel that! Newer look is more muted but powder coat potential 🌚

[@Rambiker2023chief]

Chief for me all day. The character and feel both trump quarter mile speed. You can make a chief more of a revver with cams. With stage 2 cams I find i love being over 3000 rpm and just gunning it. So good! The only liquid cooled engine that would sway me away would be the challenger and that will be my next bike

[@redcell9248]

Planning on doing a coast-to-coast tour on the '25 Indian Sport Scout. I hear what everyone says about the suspension and comfort, but people forget that folks have gone from South America to Alaska... On bicycle. I'd rather look good than be comfortable. Never minded stiff suspension. Great video as usual, Brandon.

[@norrinradd5501]

"I'd rather look good than be comfortable"!!!! 😂😆🤣 EPIC COMMENT!!!

[@jonathansinrich2412]

just picked up the 101, it's amazing, its a torque monster, all ranges and man does she pull, just love it.. great vid, thanks

[@norrinradd5501]

I'm very close to getting one myself but I've heard they have a stalling issue. Brandon has a video with that happening. Have you experienced that?

[@jonathansinrich2412]

@@norrinradd5501 no stalling at all, runs perfect, amazing bike

[@Liberum69]

@@norrinradd5501 When I went to test out a couple of the new Scouts, the Super Scout I tested kept stalling. I didn't realize it was a recognized issue.

[@Liberum69]

Chief all the way. To me, it doesn't really make sense to take a platform built for cruising and try to make it a performance bike. The Scout is fun, but a sport bike is better at everything the Scout does better than the Chief at a fraction of the cost. So I'm taking my base model 2022 Chief and upgrading it to be the best, most stylish cruiser on the street with power and grunt. On the side, I'll get the ZX-4RR for that fun, sporty feel (flashing the hell out of it to bump its horsepower up 50%).

[@jeffkercheval4010]

Great insight on these bikes. I have a 2019 Roadmaster with the 111. For me it just works. I chose that because I wanted the simplicity of an air cooled engine. I love the torque and smoothness of the engine, and it has plenty of power for me. Most of the time I ride within 5 mph of the speed limit. Sometimes I feel like 80-90 when the conditions are good. I never feel like I need to go over 100. So....I guess I like the torque and low end grunt best.

[@JoshScalf]

Looking forward to trying them out back to back next week in Murfreesboro at Sloan’s for their demo days. Love the content, man, keep em coming!

[@BrandonBicasso]

Hell yeah. Lemme know how it goes 🤙🏾

[@JoshScalf]

@@BrandonBicasso loved them both but the new Scout is stretched just a touch from the one I had (or at least feels like it is). I'd have to adjust the ergonomics to make it work for me, but boy were they crazy fast!

[@m4belisle511]

i wanted a 101 bad, but wasn't in love with the paint ( and didn't want to paint over it).......I ended up with a Sport Scout about 3 months ago and couldn't be happier. I'm 6'3 220lbs and added an extended reach 2up seat and it fits me great. And with a Dean Speed Rampage exhaust on it.......damn I love it!!!

[@evelkoloski]

'14 XC & '12 Highball here... both have the same new safer tune, they make 111 Ft Lbs and 105.5Hp at the wheel, (they used to make almost 120hp! but to aggressive to last). Ridden a '24 Chieftain and have to say, I will be keeping my old stuff... just not enough bike for the dollar.... rode both the Chief and Sport Chief but prefer a bagger...Love what you are doing with the Victory....

[@bigchief113]

Great advice

[@louv3080]

I test rode them both (Sport Scout & Sport Chief) a month or so back and I preferred the Scout engine ... 116 didn't like being revved and got all vibey when you gave it. It'll depend on your size too (I'm 5'7" 160 lbs). Only way to know is to ride them both.

[@colingoldthorpe5918]

I own a Triumph Trophy SE sport tourer and the power is never ending up to 7/8000 RPM, On my Indian Chieftain it is all torque but after 3000 rpm it’s just noise with no gain. So I learned to ride it no higher than 3000 RPM.

[@randomstuffwithjoe]

Risding them back to back is the best advice. I had such a hard time deciding between the Chieftain and Challenger. It wasn't until I rode them back to back that I decided I liked the Thunderstroke better so I went with the Chieftain DH.

[@slim56]

My first thought is scout 101, but I’d have to ride them both. That 101 is a lot of bike for the money

[@RobertoBren]

Good insights, enjoyed the video.👍 Been riding cruisers for 43 years (No Harleys) and current ride is a Super Chief Limited with stage 2 and custom Lloydz tune. Recently went to the Indian Demo day and test rode the new Super Scout 2 up with my wife. That's where the 116s torque vs Scout was very obvious. Fun bike, but had I to put it in sports mode to get decent acceleration with 2 adults (I'm 6ft 245lbs) + wife. My Super Chief Limited doesn't seem to know and rips effortlessly light to light and up the steep mountain roads where we ride. And you're correct. 115mph on the SCL is asking a lot from it.

[@michaelbellinger1363]

You weren’t lying about the Bobber being rough. I’m 6’1 and 240 lbs. I feel EVERY bump in the road. I had to get extended foot controls too. I hadn’t ridden in over 26 years and got it as a beginner bike 🏍️. I like it but regret not getting the Chief. Good information. Wish I found your channel prior to purchasing 😅.

[@BrandonBicasso]

Some people think I’m being hard on the Bobber. 😂 Beautiful but it’s almost a hard tail back there.

[@michaelbellinger1363]

@@BrandonBicasso it’s unforgiving

[@benca101]

ha! thanks man! But I was stuck between the two, but then I found a Chief Bobber Dark Horse for so cheap, I couldn't pass it up. Picking it up this Sunday. (but after this vid, I concluded the Chief is the right the choice) Thanks again!

[@BrandonBicasso]

Heck yeah! I’m still trying to sell my Super Chief for cheap 🤣 Glad you found a deal you couldn’t resist! Makes it more sweet and you saved money.

[@timothygreen1519]

Great video! I own both a 22 ICB and a 18 Scout. Everything you said is true... the major difference I see is the stability in corners. My Chief embraces it where the Scout becomes a little unstable "my opinion". In the end, you have to know which bike will cater to your riding style best. My advice is to buy a used Chief... they resale in the private sector for cheap. If you need a little more zip than torque then trade it in for the newer Scout. Both bikes are fantastic machines with superior technology and performance.

[@icyGrip666]

I would go cheif just because it feels more substantial. That being said if they put a liquid cooled motor in the cheif I'd be intrested as well.

[@williammurray6234]

See this is the reason why I like watching because you spitting facts right now not only that but you help make a person decide

[@joshuabenoit3744]

Had a scout rogue for the last 15 months and it was a great bike for around town for me. Just traded up to a Sport Chief this week simply for longer rides and some 2 up with the better suspension. I will say that stock for me the scout had a better seating position (triangle) than the chief. So I came home and ordered the forward controls and 10" risers to hopefully get it to a better position for me. Both are great bikes for sure!

[@lesmurray2000]

I just did this at a demo day. Scout engine is the bomb. 9k rpm redline is just crazy. The Chief 116 you can really feel the torque and it feels more stable on the road. I believe Chief has a longer wheelbase and possibly that is where the stability feeling is coming from. I would say if you want to really ride your bike hard, then Scout 101 all day long. If you want an around town cruiser, then Chief.

[@TheEmpiredown]

Great vid, as always. '21 RM and '23 SC (and waiting for 585's and a Lloyd'z as well...). Air cooled is the way to go! The SC is set-up PERFECTLY for me size and weight -wise out of the box...

[@max-mv3yp]

Well analysed. I'm not the first to say- if they mafe a chief with a 108 powerplus engine, that would be a top seller in this case.

[@BrandonBicasso]

It's coming.. eventually.

[@chrisstewart1465]

Great video, and as always loaded with valuable information.

[@BountyHunter326]

Old drag race motto… Horse power is how quick you hit the wall, torque is how far you gonna take the wall with you

[@americanwrenchthowers]

Or hp is the top speed of the bike. Torque is how fast you get to top speed

[@tomoates8568]

For me on a cruiser style bike it’s more about the comfort than the speed. I’ll take a Chief over a scout for that

[@roguecheddar]

My stunning 2019 Indian Springfield with the TS 111 has all the grunt I need. Just a jewel of an engine in a wonderful cruiser! But if I did have more room in the stable, a Scout classic or 101 would be cool as hell. Indian has something for everyone.

[@larryhouse3776]

The thunderstroke platform is among the best of the best in terms of torque and that traditional cruiser feel. If youre after speed and power, just get a MT10 and dont waste your time on the scout.

[@BrandonBicasso]

The MT10 left such a good impression on me. Love that cross plane!

[@TheDreamcycles]

Exactly! I own an XSR900 and I love it for its speed performance and price. For a 2nd bike I'd go for the Sport chief over the 101. I would want that torque, stability, and extra suspension travel. Indian is amazing at cruiser performance.

[@TheDreamcycles]

I own a 22' Yamaha XSR900 and I love it but for ny 2nd bike it's between the 101 and the sport Chief. I am 6'2" and 200lbs. Ergonomics are key for me. I am test riding BOTH bikes tomorrow morning back to back. I can't wait to see which I prefer. As of now, I lean toward the Sport Chief. I enjoy a zippy bike but I don't want anything too similar to my XSR900. I want a bigger, torquey machine that I can cruise with. Thanks for your video, Brandon!

[@BrandonBicasso]

Sure thing! Curious which one you go with 🤙🏾

[@TheDreamcycles]

@@BrandonBicasso Thanks for replying! You got my sub! So... just test rode the Sport Chief and I love it. Didn't even need to test the 101. I like the longer/bigger look, increased suspension travel and the blacked out color so I'm happy! Signing paperwork as I write this! 😆

[@randomstuffwithjoe]

I'm more of a bagger guy (Chieftain DH), but if I were looking at these two bikes.. that new scout is pretty hot.

[@pmdinaz]

Triumph did a similar thing with lightening the crank on the Speed Twin '21 to '22 USA models, '20 to '21 other markets (as have many other manufacturers) and personally I think a lighter crank isn't always better. I rode the Sport Chief a couple years ago and it was pretty nice, but at 6'2" it would get cramped pretty quick and that seat was horrendous. I'll have to try out the new Scout soon just to do it. I'll keep my Speed Twin though.

[@frapp31]

The best one is the one in your garage. Proud owner of the scout rogue. Nice video.

[@BrandonBicasso]

That’s a fact.

[@dropbearmoto]

Awesome video, as always great perspectives - lucky enough to own a couple of bikes and really thought my wife would jump from her Chief to the 101 when we got it, but she loves that torque and always grabs the chief keys!

[@Scout4x]

I rode the Super Scout, Sport Chief and Chieftain yesterday and boy, was I impressed with the Scout's engine. I thought that it would be lacking in torque, but that's not the case. Unfortunately, the Scout is a little smallish for me. Still, if I didn't have a wife to ride behind me, I'd definitely go for the Super Scout!

[@chrishunter5041]

Hope the new Scout line up will be available to demo soon this side of the pond 🤗

[@clownymcgiggles6757]

I was so close to buying the sport scout but I just love that sport chief. Holding out for it.

[@liquiddarkness7882]

I was visiting the dealership and found 2023 Chief 111 available with a discount, I didn’t give a second thought and booked it 😂 what a great ride a character this bike has.

[@BrandonBicasso]

That discount is part of the character too. 😂

[@liquiddarkness7882]

@@BrandonBicasso 😆😆😆 absolutely

[@philsaunder9690]

Hey Brandon! Do you have a tuning vid for your chief? Can’t see one. Would be good to see the journey and results.

[@BrandonBicasso]

Unfortunately I don’t. I had mine flashed and kept it simple. Couldn’t afford a dyno run.

[@philsaunder9690]

@ Thanks fella. Did you get rid of the over sensitive throttle at low speeds in town? That’s all I want to do!

[@BrandonBicasso]

It does a bit. Not as twitchy in Tour/Standard but Sport mode feels a bit more aggressive. I don’t prefer it without a better seat to lock in.

[@loumancini1074]

I'm about tradition, I love the thunderstoke engine

[@ianv.5796]

The scout 101 felt like a toy in comparison to my sport chief - size, weight, and controls. It's still a very cool bike, but I wouldn't trade my chief for it 🤷‍♂️

[@geraldmosley2195]

Bra, that scout is NASTY in all black, i like your review cuz you are tell me the options that I need to consider and that is VERY HELPFUL I haven't been on a large bike in a while, I would like to get a scout tricked out with all the bells and whistles, which model would that be? Also I'm a big brother 365lb at 6'1" I understand on the scout 2025 they improved the seat and other things.but how is the reliability of the bike? I live in northern California and an Indian dealership is almost 75 miles away!

[@marathon8649]

Good info here. Thanks

[@Sandman1832]

I love the all new design of all of the scouts, especially the engine and tech, but it would have been more impressive if Indian would have simply put the same engine performance that they did in the FTR, and put it into the 101 at minimum. Essentially the FTR engine is the same engine as the pre 101 scout engine, but better performance. Andrews 420, or the bigger 450 cams, and a big bore kit for a base scout bobber is cheaper than the new 101 and it has more performance than the FTR, especially with a tune. Hence why I am going to keep riding my 21 Scout Bobber ABS. It's way too fun as it sits now than it would be to start all over with a 101. My eyes are set on the Chief Darkhorse for my next Indian.

[@criose]

Well on Sep 9 my 2024 chief bobber DH was hit by a ignorant guy in a SUV. I was thinking of getting the sport chief rather going bobber again.

[@BrandonBicasso]

Boooo! Glad you’re still here at least.

[@darealshaft9735]

Glad to know you’re alright and looking to get another bike. I bought the 2022 Chief Bobber DH brand new for my first bike and I only ride standard mode. Two months later I’m heading out to ride, forgot to take off the disk lock and the bike started falling and I caught it with my left hand and pulled it back up. Three years later my left forearm is messed up but I saved my dog Chico from taking any damage 😢

[@criose]

@@BrandonBicasso True that. Only have a fractured arm, got off lucky.

[@norrinradd5501]

​@criose glad you're alright and glad you're getting back in the saddle.

[@criose]

@@norrinradd5501 Thx bud. Gotta fight insurance to replace the bike still.

[@paulh6101]

I have a 23 111 chieftain. I've hit the speed limiter several times. Sometimes having to be mindful so I don't hit the limiter. My bike keeps pulling past 100 pretty easily, and I don't have the 116.

[@BrandonBicasso]

Considering the vibrations you get from a ThunderStroke, it’s a lot more noticeable you’re going that speed versus Scout/Challenger. Not so much Challenger whereas Scout has more vibration. It’s like a pocket riding that quick on Challenger. For me anyway. It has no problem doing those speeds but feels like there’s more effort to get it there and keep it.

[@paulh6101]

@BrandonBicasso interesting, don't get a lot of vibrations after the bike has been ridden for a good 20min. Especially at those excessive speeds...also have fork mounted wind deflectors and a 14" windscreen though.

[@BrandonBicasso]

It’s all relative. You eventually zone it out. Same as some not liking the heavy clutch feel. I’m used to clunky twins and heavy clutches so I pay less attention there as you the vibrations. It’s good conversation comparing the differences. 🤙🏾

[@rsc68er]

The tune you got for your Cheif was it a flash tune, was it put on the on the dyno? And who and where did you get it? So many questions lol sorry. Why I ask is I'm actually looking at purchasing a Cheif and no one really is talking about having them tuned in Australia

[@BrandonBicasso]

Sure thing. Flash tuned by C3Vtwin. Mail it in, flash, get it back. c3vtwin.com/products/lloydz-ecu-flash-mail-in-service

[@efremendez]

Isnt the chief like over 100 lbs more? If so the scout for me especially with price diff.

[@BrandonBicasso]

130ish 🤙🏾 540~ to 670~

[@robjamescapel8891]

Chief would be for me.

[@irvineyoung4545]

I'm not sure what it would do for your Chanel but with those bikes that you can't sell, have you considered donating one to Forgotten Angel's in Florida for auctioning off? I'm wondering if it would increase your viewership there by your Chanel.

[@replynotificationsdisabled]

being heavier can and most the time actually makes you brake faster... because of weight transfer, a lighter rider is going to be able to move more, but also may have to fight against weight transfer, whereas heavier, the weight is already further back... it you watch Toprak or Binder/Acosta, you'll see how far their little asses are pushed back to keep the ass down. and another plus of beaing heavier, rear brake performance. an more grip/contact patch for tires. anyways, i'm not heavy, just giving some people the real deal.

[@BrandonBicasso]

Great info fr

[@eddybaez9413]

But when will the 2025 chiefs be announced? I want a water cooled chief

[@BrandonBicasso]

🤷🏾‍♂️

[@road_king_dude]

Indian is Killa! 😮‍💨👌

[@williampowell2722]

can you put the chieftain tank on the chief?

[@BrandonBicasso]

You can make anything work with some tinkering. It’s not a plug and play situation, however. Different mounting, fuel pumps, etc.

[@williampowell2722]

@@BrandonBicasso it'll make that bike great for touring. open the bike up to more riders because of the bike weighing less

[@BrandonBicasso]

My guy Nathan has done two full coast to coast trips on Chief. Recent one involved a trip up to Canada also.😅

[@wraymogg]

New Scout is shit on torque on low RPM. Old scout = excellent! Also they changed the gear ratio, and I really don't like it. I guess is due to new emissions regulations, but it's simply not pleasant to ride anymore. Oh, also you cannot put a 180 tire anymore, and the pipes will have a shitty sound due to the catalyzer placed in the galleries. The new Scout also has a rattling noise in the fairing that I cannot figure out. I was so hyped about the new Scout that I preordered one 101 instantly. Now I am thinking of selling it and keep my old Scout only.

[@etishbite456]

Yep regulation is a b&$&%. The old scout has less electronics and better gearing. Mines looks so sick.

[@thomasreyes2857]

What's the deal with you in the backpack every time you go riding😂😂😂😂😂

[@BrandonBicasso]

I love my backpack 😂 chiiiill

[@edwinbrown3303]

I think I want a scout

[@BrandonBicasso]

It’s a ripper 🤙🏾

[@NostalgicMotorcycles]

That’s funny I made the same video and feel very similar with a few different points. I prefer the scout for sure personally but if both is an option I would choose that for sure. Chief to cruise scout to hoon a little.

[@shrugger1]

Seriously...not helpful. lol😋 Anyway I've already got a 2019 Scout bobber. Replaced those rear horrors with K-Tech's and it's a completely different bike. Already had a dirty bird on it when I bought it. It's got a tone frequency in lower RPM's that I find unpleasant so that'll need to go. I might go 420 cams, one of these days, and be completely happy with it. Don't think I need a big bore.

[@etishbite456]

Dude I want a big bore so bad

[@noahgoodman1237]

honestly i’d rather have an FTR over the new scout

[@BrandonBicasso]

Fair!

[@Ferraiolo_1]

101 scout all day long.

[@frecko]

Not if they were giving them away free ,

[@BrandonBicasso]

Hell of a deal to pass up.

[@thomasreyes2857]

BACK PACK KID😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@BrandonBicasso]

It is I. 💁🏾‍♂️🎒

[@bobbertwentytank9267]

Stop being a little girl😊 I ride my Bobber 600 miles a week and love it, with the cushion seat of course

[@BrandonBicasso]

I rode my first Bobber without suspension mods or a seat upgrade. I earned it! 😂😂

[@TWR59767]

This is why you continue to be my absolute favorite motorcycle KZbinr! Always an honest and real review. 🫡