BravoAirspace 787-8 Dreamliner Review - The best dreamliner available? MSFS2020

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[@drepilot529]

I’ve bought it and started a 12hr flight. The aircraft feels good on ground handling, flight controls show good responsiveness and it feels lighter that the 78X which shows that the developers done some good flight physics on the model. It’s a bit uncomfortable adding a long flight plan without the SimBrief integration but hey, there are a lot of operators that still input all the flight plan manually so it’s not a problem. I’ll give it an 8/10

[@bravoairspace1]

Hi there, thank you for the feedback. An update is going up tomorrow morning and it will update simbrief. Our website gets updated daily if necessary for any news. Please keep in mind we will taking care of this.

[@CaptainKenobi]

Glad you like it :)

[@drepilot529]

@@bravoairspace1 that’s amazing, really looking forward to that👨‍✈️❤️

[@drepilot529]

@@bravoairspace1 UPDATE: I’ve finished the flight between Phuket and Manchester, a real world route operated by TUI. The flight was smooth although I’ve had a massive thunderstorm below me ( I didn’t know lightning was implemented in MSFS ). On the approach in Manchester it became stuttery but I’m aware the performance suffered on glass cockpits since the AAU2 update. Got black screens on the arrival and the gauges popped back up but LOC and G/S vanished. Switched to manual control and landed smoothly. Somehow I’m pleased because I’ve remained impressed of the way the aircraft handles. And the effects like the tyre smoke and reverse thrust blow it’s amazing. I also love how nice of a wing and engine view you get from inside the cockpit so please don’t remove the cabin for the Xbox users. Just add the no cabin model as well so users can opt for cabin and no cabin version

[@breeki9000]

Better than horizon sim? I was thinking of upgrading my msfs for this

[@CaptainKenobi]

Because I forgot to mention it, the price of the Bravoliner is 18.99$ And of course if you live on planet Earth, add a like to the video and if you like news, previews, reviews and flights for MSFS on Xbox and PC, hit the subscribe button 👨‍✈👍🏼

[@osirisfly7815]

Génial pour le prix !

[@OneAviation]

Nice review

[@CaptainKenobi]

​@@OneAviationthank you sir 🙏

[@OneAviation]

@@CaptainKenobi np

[@GSX-R-xh1js]

Very nice plane

[@bagels377]

I do like how the main gear tilt is subtle compared to the other dreamliners. Looks much better

[@williamsperez9206]

Thanks for the video and thanks to Bravo Airspace. Finally there is one of my favorite long haul plane in MSFS2020. 😊

[@travelcaribbean2009]

Just picked up the Bravo 787-8 a few mins ago! I’m absolutely loving it, it’s one of my fav planes in the game now! I love how they added the dirty texture to it and stuff, the yoke has some scratches on it, and the screens have fingerprints on it, everything about this plane feels amazing! Not to mention, one thing they did was something I don’t see often with widebodies on MSFS, they have the jet bridge go to the 2nd door like they do irl! Also I like how they have the condensation coming off the wings/engines and also the ribbon type things coming off the wings as well on takeoff! This plane is absolutely amazing! I’m loving it sooooo much! Thank you BrvaoAirspace for this beauty in aviation! Looking forward to doing a long haul, trans-Atlantic flight with it on Friday!

[@CaptainKenobi]

Glad you like it, it's one of my favorites also

[@mypiang]

looks like an amazing aircraft, thank you for the review!

[@CaptainKenobi]

It's not perfect but I really like it

[@MrAndersonHimself]

Thanks you for this review.

[@dodie9130]

Very interesting video ! Thank you 😊

[@AB_neo]

I momentarily got excited thinking it was a ground-up B788, but as soon as the price was mentioned realised it wasn’t at all. This is good for Xbox users though! As a former Xbox simmer I can say aircraft choice was always an issue, now it’s much better. But I will stick with the Horizon/Kuro mod versions on PC, Bravo are 100% targeting the Xbox market here (and I’m sure Xbox simmers will appreciate it too!).

[@CaptainKenobi]

I'm also on PC and I greatly appreciate it too 😅

[@lsubesteva]

Francis and his team over at BravoAirSpace knocked it out the park with this one!!! They even have moon lighting in the cabin👀👀👀👀Very VERY DIFFERENT from the Asobo and dreaded 4simmers -9! Miles ahead! No stutter or lag on my end. Flying from Denver to Chicago no issues! Not one hiccup. Only critiques I have are the wheels color just kills immersion for me. No way should they be that dirty. That’s literally my only complaint. Other than that, this just became my favorite plane! Doing Chicago to Barcelona tomorrow for the first official long haul test. And if anyone from the BVS team sees this please tell Francis don’t worry about the haters! Him and you guys hard work is greatly appreciated

[@CaptainKenobi]

Thx for sharing your experience, I'll let him know

[@bravoairspace1]

My man, thank you! Marketplace ratings are poor. I'm wondering if it is the fact that the wrong users are buying it and blaming it on us? Would be cool for Microsoft to block users who don't own Premium deluxe, not to be able to purchase this plane.

[@RudyKeane]

@@bravoairspace1 Yes, I've seen so many posts on Reddit of people who have purchased the plane without premium deluxe. It's their own fault though, they just didn't read the description. Blocking those users would be a good idea though to prevent low ratings.

[@theseventhplane7]

hello my oui oui baguette , super vidéo comme d'habitude , j'ai hate de le tester

[@CaptainKenobi]

dis donc la video ne dure pas 1min30 lol! Merci ;)

[@theseventhplane7]

@@CaptainKenobi meme pas besoin de regarder pour savoir que tu fait du bon travail XD , j'ai regardé jusqu'au bout apres le commentaire tkt pas .

[@CaptainKenobi]

🔥🙏

[@b788_]

Thanks for the review but is it like the 4simmers 787-9 that has frame rate drops (sometime kicks me out of the game) and the avionics turn off after pushback

[@CaptainKenobi]

I don't know about the 4simmers plane but this one works just fine. Same performance as the default 787-10 + tons of details + custom sounds etc

[@TonyChenMusicOfficial]

Hi, I am trying to config gsx profile for this plane, but the cargo doors will not open. Do you know if there are any settings that we can open cargo doors? And also I found this one doesn't work with simbrief like the Asobo model.

[@bravoairspace1]

It works as baggage. And all doors will simultaneously open.

[@TonyChenMusicOfficial]

@@bravoairspace1 thanks for the reply. How can I do this? You mean I should use atc for baggaging service first?

[@bravoairspace1]

@@TonyChenMusicOfficial The cargo doors will open when the baggage crew is summoned. You can also use Pushback add-on as well.

[@TonyChenMusicOfficial]

@@bravoairspace1 Thanks~~ it works if I call ATC for baggaging service. But it won't work if I directly use GSX for boarding. But as long as I call ATC first and then use GSX, it works as expected. And another thing, i hope it can also integrated with simbrief in the future. And the signs on HUD are pretty big, it's hard to find a suitable camera angle for me to use HUD with all the signs like the default 787-10, can that be adjusted?

[@pr1c1sefn2]

To add a little bit more realism, is it possible to make the flaperon and aileron raise when the spoilers come up on arrival?

[@CaptainKenobi]

I'll ask them 👍

[@XHMaiDi]

@@CaptainKenobi And also make the flaperon to drop when setting take off thrust and come back up after certain speed, this function is to protect the hydrulic system and can be seen on all boeing's FBW aircraft.

[@retrorygaming]

Unlikely if they used the default wing model. Horizon sim has mentioned that doing so requires editing the wing model which is forbidden in the license. If they made a custom wing model then I wouldn't see why not.

[@anth3277]

How does this aircraft perform on series X at enhanced airports? On series s it is broken, I get black avionic screens at default auto gen airports too. I'd love to know your experience!

[@CaptainKenobi]

It will vary greatly depending on the addon and the developer... With Pyreegue add-ons (Belfast, Edinburg) it performs well

[@user-gc8ek1tr9e]

Hi, how are you? My plane is 787-8. There is no content inside the cockpit. The Xbox device. What is the solution?

[@mattjones2003]

Buy the premium deluxe pack like it says in the video and on the store page.

[@user-gc8ek1tr9e]

@@mattjones2003 my friend, thank you! But si the Delexo package?

[@stsiri21]

Hi. Great review. Question: Does it work with MSFS Standard edition or it needs the Deluxe edition only? Thanks

[@CaptainKenobi]

Thx! Yes like said in the video, you need the premium deluxe pack ;)

[@stsiri21]

Thks​@@CaptainKenobi

[@pr1c1sefn2]

Can you guys make a -9 and a -10 possibly?

[@huntergwin4186]

Thank you. Very informative. Wonder if it has Updog?

[@CaptainKenobi]

thx for your nice comment but I have no idea what this is ^^

[@Stewbob112]

I bought it, and I love it🤷🏻‍♂️

[@southernhawk2661]

How do i prevent black screens on this aircraft. Im on Xbox series s.

[@CaptainKenobi]

Bravo is going to include a lighter version in the next update dedicated to the Xbox Series S simmer.

[@noahhenshaw4171]

with the removal of the tablet, is there a way to import from simbrief through the fmc, and does the takeoff calculator work?

[@CaptainKenobi]

Not yet but Simbrief is being added for the first update ;)

[@noahhenshaw4171]

@@CaptainKenobi good to hear about simbrief, the takeoff calculator does work tho right?

[@CaptainKenobi]

In the mcdu performance page yes, once you entered everything needed

[@chuck176]

@@CaptainKenobican’t wait to get it tonight! Best graphics and detail on any plane! Buying it on series x tonight!!

[@christophersuttonsr5688]

I was debating whether or not to buy it. I was already flying it by the end of your video 😂

[@CaptainKenobi]

Haha, amazing!

[@ilexxis182]

Do each livery have different engine ? Like the ge and rr?

[@CaptainKenobi]

Yes

[@Posttraumaticgrowth]

How does it compare to the deluxe default dreamliner?

[@CaptainKenobi]

at which level?

[@Biggisemmel]

I have the thrustmaster a 320 set up and if I want to fly the new a 320 , the thrust will go to 75% but the throttle lever is at 0%. That is only by the new a 320 with the thrustmaster a 320 set up

[@CaptainKenobi]

haven't tested yet

[@CplKitfox]

I do like, and will most likely pick it up. But, the lack of proper compound edges on the seats bother me. Only gripe I can see, so far.

[@CaptainKenobi]

@bravoairspace8410

[@bravoairspace1]

Hi there, the seats have edges seam extreme due to the fact that I have to keep the entire interior low as possible in polygons/tris in order to obtain better performance. BUT, that doesn't mean that I won't update it. We will get better seats. It's on the list.

[@CplKitfox]

@bravoairspace8410 Fair enough.

[@Gamerguy-501]

Is that new sounds added?? Also is this by any chance pc available

[@CaptainKenobi]

Yes custom sounds. Of course, look my video on PC and Xbox ;)

[@boyermchristopher1]

I’m downloading now for Xbox. Hopefully this will be a home run. I’m sick of spending money on third-party add-ons and I have a big crap. We’ll see.

[@CaptainKenobi]

I mean, does it look like crap on the video? I would have said it if it was. I'm not perfect but always honest. Let me know what you think ;)

[@Staling30]

How was it on Xbox?? Any black screens or stuttering??

[@bravoairspace1]

How did it go?

[@ramygjerde6574]

Hows the FPS? Really poor performance on the horizon/kuro/default 787 on my pc

[@CaptainKenobi]

I have no issues with default, Kuro or this one.

[@Bluemonkey123]

Looks awesome! Just wondering can both cargo doors open and close?

[@CaptainKenobi]

Yes if you call the appropriate ground service but you can't control them individually.

[@themsfsnerd]

Hey Captain! I have been subbed for a while now, can you do a review on the new 320?

[@CaptainKenobi]

Yes it's already in the making but I need a little bit more time ;)

[@themsfsnerd]

@@CaptainKenobi thanks really appreciate it!

[@stephanebnt1682]

Salut captain Merci a toi pour cette vidéo de près. L'as tu réaliser sur PC ou Xbox ? Merci à toi

[@CaptainKenobi]

Hello! La réponse est dans la vidéo 😅 Il y a un chapitre dédié Xbox à la fin avec plusieurs extraits.

[@MobilAvenue_]

I have a question do you have manually program your flight plan? Or can you do it just from the map and it loads in

[@CaptainKenobi]

works with the world map ;)

[@MobilAvenue_]

@@CaptainKenobi thank you

[@MobilAvenue_]

Just wanted to say thank you again I purchased it today and did a good few flights with it

[@CaptainKenobi]

🫡

[@MobilAvenue_]

@@CaptainKenobi I don’t suppose you know if the A300-600R iniBuilds works from the world map or has to be manually programmed

[@Pablo.11]

Would you say this performs the same as the normal 787-10 in terms of autopilot etc?

[@CaptainKenobi]

Same systems so yes

[@Pablo.11]

@@CaptainKenobi great job on the video by the way, also wondering it seems to good to be true to get a good 787 for less than 20£ euro I hope it’s worth it tho

[@coochieman7887]

No rolling sounds is a huge immersion killer. Makes the takeoffs feel quite dull and too smooth

[@airtoulei9872]

Puré ! Magnifique mon Captain ! Je suis fan de tes reviews ! Continue ! Par contre stp, peux tu me partager tes réglages sur xbox afin que tout soit fluide et pas de CTD, freezer etc... Rolling cache ? Trafic véhicules sur 50? Etc... Stp 🙏🙏

[@CaptainKenobi]

Merci 🙏 Rolling Cache 32Go, bien pensé à l'effacer à chaque mise à jour, tout à 50% (traffic, bateaux, avions) multijoueur off, sauf si besoin. Météo temps réel. Par contre de mon expérience les world update sont les pires ennemis de la simu sur Xbox, ça ajoute trop d'éléments. Donc je ne fais que celles où je vole beaucoup, en l'occurrence France, Espagne, UK, US.

[@airtoulei9872]

@@CaptainKenobi OK d'accord ! Je vais faire pareil ! Merci beaucoup ! Et les addons genre Flow, campout utility etc... Ça fait ramer ça ?

[@CaptainKenobi]

Flow j'ai fini par le désinstaller oui

[@garethdyos8018]

I've just picked this up on Xbox and I have to say that it's excellent!

[@CaptainKenobi]

Glad you like it :)

[@lolloll4441]

Have you had any crashes?

[@garethdyos8018]

@@lolloll4441 no, I actually haven't. I'm surprised!

[@ilexxis182]

When you hand fly it, does it feel better than the default 787? Looks really good too

[@CaptainKenobi]

They are not the same size and weight so... All I can say is like in the review, it responds very nicely

[@chuck176]

@@CaptainKenobiwow getting it tonight for series x!! Will there be liveries soon!!

[@bravoairspace1]

@@chuck176 Hi there, more liveries will be added to the base package. Yes. Tomorrow morning an update is going up with additional liveries and fixes.

[@user-it6oq2qc3p]

In my case I have Xbox series x and found it a bit lagged (fpr affected). The interior is super detailed, but I consider too many details really affects the performance, at least in Xbox.

[@GSX-R-xh1js]

@@bravoairspace1when can we get them on marketplace? This Monday?

[@AJBanta]

I got the plane and my cockpit won’t load what should I do?

[@CaptainKenobi]

Watch reviews and read product description ;)

[@chewbaccawookie6498]

How is the plane flying manually? The default plane in MSFS, is over compensating trim like hell! You just cant fly it by hand. Pitch is going up and down. Please let me know.👍🏼

[@CaptainKenobi]

It handles very nicely. I saw someone in the comments giving his thoughts on this also

[@sheldon148]

Hi guys and gals just bought it how do you get simbreif working

[@CaptainKenobi]

Please watch the video

[@ohhuro2132]

First officer side PFD is wrong. Left and right are reversed PFD Attitude indicator should be on the left side of the Chronic panel It means, the Chronodial panel is the right side of the Attitude indicator. I think, They may be control C+V the Captain side PFD to the FO side

[@ABbuilds]

That’s because they are using the systems from the default B78X and has always annoyed me too! There was a fix available to download from flightsimto but it’s been taken down for some reason (still there, but not downloadable).

[@CaptainKenobi]

Yes as stated in the video, it uses the 787 default system so it means the good things and bad things too

[@JacksonTetley]

What features are in the EFB is any different from the Kuro EFB

[@ChrisJames-pq6gg]

No different to the default 787 possibly worse not flown the default one for ages … no simbrief integration for example

[@benrhyw]

@@ChrisJames-pq6gg to be fair they are adding simbrief integration tomorrow morning, although I think it shouldve been included day 1 ive heard really good things about it so far to be fair

[@ChrisJames-pq6gg]

@@benrhyw PMDG took ages to give XBOX uses simbrief so can forgive them

[@Biggisemmel]

Can you make a review for the dash 7

[@CaptainKenobi]

I don't think so no

[@agamemnon7461]

Great work overall, but the engine sound is too low in the cockpit. Except for takeoff, I was not able to hear any throttle input especially in the lading phase. The ventilation L and R pack sound is way too loud and after gears down, the environment sound is way too loud. I think the sounds are there and very good, they just need the right balance! Other than that we are waiting for our favor livery to be available!

[@major3336]

I have the standard edition. I’ve been afraid of upgrading to the other edition cause I don’t know if the mods I have currently would stop working if I did the upgrade. I wish I could fly the 787.

[@CaptainKenobi]

If you're on Xbox it's a valid question.

[@major3336]

@@CaptainKenobi I am on PC actually.

[@airtoulei9872]

@@CaptainKenobi mon Captain, est ce moi, ou depuis la nouvelle sim update sur xbox, les éléments au sol mettent carrément plus de temps à se charger et du coup cela dégrade complètement le réalisme ??? Je trouve ça bien pour le fait que ce soit smooth oui, mais 'niveau chargement des textures c'est vraiment bof...

[@CaptainKenobi]

@airtoulei9872 oui c'est ce que j'explique dans ma précédente vidéo (mais je crois que je n'ai toujours pas fait les sous-titrés 😬)

[@airtoulei9872]

@@CaptainKenobi exact 😂 pas grave. Et du coup il existe pas un moyen pour contrer ça ? Repasser sur l'autre sim update ou jouer avec des réglages ?

[@zahlan193]

Im pretty sure you are gathering money for greater projects and plans. 1st dreamliner with a cabin in microsoft flight simulator great work

[@CaptainKenobi]

it's true, it's the first dreamliner to have a cabin!

[@Wildsami85]

Wow smooth graphics no shuttering !! What are your PC specs

[@CaptainKenobi]

Everything's ultra, and for Xbox I keep things to the minimum

[@lukegessey2656]

Bravoairspace are just mocking other developers at this point they literally said "hold my beer" and absolutely NAILED this aircraft and considering this is their first plane and it turns out this good I feel like they are just showing off they are hands down one of the best Devs for mfs absolute gold standard

[@damianward9695]

Does the cabin doors open?

[@CaptainKenobi]

The answer is in the video thx

[@GabbieGirl007]

Do i need the defualt 787?

[@bravoairspace1]

Hi there, yes.

[@inveilgun]

Who is better Horizon 789 or this 788?

[@bravoairspace1]

This 788

[@CaptainKenobi]

😅

[@EyeSpyMyLittleEye]

Is it on xbox?

[@lsubesteva]

Yes. You need the premium version. It states that on the product description before you buy it

[@CaptainKenobi]

Thx for the help :)

[@agamemnon7461]

Sorry to comment again, you know, for a good quality sound people are ready and will pay the price! This airplane is under rated still. It's the future of aviation and is not going anywhere in the near future!

[@Ninou5956]

Allez-vous fair un 787-10?

[@CaptainKenobi]

Je ne crois pas

[@TheOceanChannel2]

got this with standerd. regret it. cockpit wont show

[@CaptainKenobi]

It's written in the add-on title and description mate... And even said it 2 times in the video. How is it even possible.

[@TheOceanChannel2]

@@CaptainKenobi idk but at least i still have fun flying it in 3rd person

[@CaptainKenobi]

@@TheOceanChannel2 i guess it's better than nothing but be careful next time ;)

[@lsubesteva]

Update. Landing is not ideal. It’s very light and almost uncontrollable on landing. Feels so unbalanced when landing. But loving it though

[@kingDTD1]

I should have waited for your review before I bought it cause I’m kinda disappointed by not having a efb and simbrief integration

[@CaptainKenobi]

There's more to this plane ;) Simbrief is definitely coming soon. Take some time to fly it, you'll see it's great, imo

[@kingDTD1]

@@CaptainKenobi I’m not saying it’s bad cause just from looking at it sitting at the gate I can say this is what the default 787 should have been when the game released

[@bravoairspace1]

Hi there, please don't feel disappointed. The EFB was introduced in our first release back in December but we couldn't release the product. An update is going up tomorrow morning which will also bring back simbrief.

[@kingDTD1]

@@bravoairspace1 oh cool good to hear

[@kingDTD1]

@@bravoairspace1oh cool good to know

[@Raul-pm3iz]

I need 787-10 for this Boeing?

[@CaptainKenobi]

Please watch the video

[@Anthony-wo8cp]

Ya

[@-vi8f]

I bought it and it didn't work

[@boyermchristopher1]

No black screens yet

[@lolloll4441]

Are you on Xbox?

[@v1rotatev230]

Well I mean it’s not really 100% made from the ground up which reflects the price

[@CaptainKenobi]

Of course yes

[@kerncountyresponsevideos2639]

The cockpit isn’t modeled

[@CaptainKenobi]

Customized

[@ItamarDori-vl5ig]

Any one here on Xbox can recommend it?

[@CaptainKenobi]

Me 😁

[@CplKitfox]

At 13:38 - "As you can see, there's not a single stutter...." That's because: Look at the ground outside the window. That's the tradeoff. Absolutely TERRIBLE LoD and textures. In my opinion, SU15 just made things worse.

[@CaptainKenobi]

Well I disagree, we will discuss this in a dedicated video. Geez I need to stop sleeping to cover all that is happening in this sim 😅 in short, my opinion is that I'm gladly trading momentary loss of textures for 1. No CTD 2. No black avionics and 3. No stutter. You can't have everything on Xbox. Even on a medium PC you can't have everything. It's just the way the msfs2020 engine runs.

[@Andy-oe8bi]

Lots of lag and stutters around airports

[@CaptainKenobi]

Strange, even with 3rd party add-on airports I have no issues.

[@Andy-oe8bi]

@@CaptainKenobi I did a flight from Ibiza to Manchester both add-ons , it was bad , the pmdg 737 is spot on

[@Smasher77th]

The obsession with wear and tear is getting absolutely ridiculous. Don't force everyone else to share in your fantasies (I'm referring to BA and other devs). A lot of people like their stuff clean too. Let's not pretend that the reverse is the case. If I don't get this it would be definitely because of the wear and tear craziness that's the trend. I hate people forcing me to think in just one way, or trying to pretend that their way is the only way. What's more, it's easier to make a clean one, so why not make it clean, make that an option, then dirty it up and have both options so people can choose. This cockpit is disgusting.

[@CaptainKenobi]

Having a choice is always great but idk if it's that easy 🤷

[@gliultralaser3349]

Shoutout me pls

[@CaptainKenobi]

Why

[@gliultralaser3349]

@@CaptainKenobi nvm sry

[@taketotheskies6950]

not buying it. I wish a dev we're to create a 787 from the ground up. Not using anything from asobo or workingtitle.

[@StormEnzoFS]

Same :/

[@CaptainKenobi]

That would be the best indeed

[@bravoairspace1]

I know what you mean. I respect that. Creating systems from the ground up takes a tremendously long time. Just look at the 757 from Bluebird or the new A320neo. We wanted to bring in something accessible to the masses. And learn as we go. My personal opinion is that I would prefer to have my own systems installed. No doubt.

[@ChrisJames-pq6gg]

Quality wings did a superb 787 for P3D shame there can’t do it for MSFS

[@ChrisJames-pq6gg]

@@bravoairspace1 it’s a great first attempt and sure will be updated to make it even better and for the price it’s brilliant

[@yohiyohiyo]

this aircraft is so stubby

[@Mr_Realworld]

This thing is a hot mess, don't waste your money if you are a serious simmer.

[@CaptainKenobi]

Why?

[@Mr_Realworld]

@@CaptainKenobi How many characters can we use? Flight model like a cessna, pitch control erratic, lack of throttle sensitivity, non effective brakes on the ground, floats like feather in the wind, no Simbrief, no charts, half the buttons don't work, the EFB is literally useless, no 3rd party liveries available. Definitely short of the hype over the past few months. I will give them kudos for the wing condensation and vortice effects however, those are well done.

[@CaptainKenobi]

Flight Model like a Cessna 😅 You probably talk about another 787... You don't have to believe me but I saw many streams where people enjoy the flight model. Personally I love it