Eboni K. Williams Defends Her Comments About Mediocrity on The Breakfast Club

[@toocuteforboring5825]

She just liberated and vindicated so many who have been saying this. I’m so grateful. Thank you finally

[@pobj6723]

She can talk all this empowerment talk but that wasn't what she originally meant. There is a life value and a sexual value. In sexual value ms eboni is closer to the average she hates so muvh

[@Bobloblaw42024]

She ain't said nothing.

[@8mydaydream409]

​@@pobj6723 Her sexual value is average to you, because you are probably a colorist like most black men! I bet you don't say trashy white women are average do you?

[@8mydaydream409]

​@@Bobloblaw42024 Iyanla and you ain't said nothing!

[@lolsmileyface1057]

@@pobj6723 the idea that you believe that sexual value and life value are equal speaks to the lack of education she pointed out using factual statistics. If saying “oh she’s not sexually attractive” makes you feel better about making 1/8 of what she makes, fine. But that doesn’t change the fact that you focus on the superficial because she has what men like you wish they had, which is money and status 😂😂😂. And you trying to brainwash women to equating the two will not be sustainable when the facts come into play.

[@haywooddonerson2243]

Now this is the Breakfast Club that I've grown to Love over that last decade!!!! Great back and forth, without being disrespectful.

[@gentlemanthug285]

💯

[@merder1414]

She was very disrespectful to the reality of many working class people…what do you mean? It’s disrespectful to ignore their reality and blame their “mindset”

[@Rachel_Martin90]

@@merder1414did you listen to the entire exchange? You believe it was disrespectful that doesn’t mean that was her intent. She’s saying that she wants better for us as a community instead of settling.

[@LastoftheMohicans116]

@@Rachel_Martin90 in her initial statement with Iyanla she came off as such and in her rebuttal before this interview she doubled down on it. She came off as condescending and looking down on regular everyday working people.

[@user-dd365]

@@LastoftheMohicans116 that’s bound to happen when we only view clips rather than watch the entire conversation

[@chrstthms01]

This is one of the best conversations I've heard on the Breakfast Club. Kudos to you all.

[@ZacharyJohnG]

Envy tryna be the “ people’s champ” while he drives around in Maseratis and hosts car shows 😂😂😂😂😂

[@InsubordinatePatriot]

THANK YOU!

[@Tahir-C-14]

NO, Envy is standing up for the people that support his business

[@EricBurns-d4o]

What’s wrong with that?

[@KiaRashan]

Envy loves proving a point when he thinks he has one. 😩 His body language from the beginning says he ain’t tryina hear her because he got somethin to say. Aside from who she wants to date, she clarified exceptional/mediocre with facts and data and he still wanted to tussle. 😂

[@tymbreturner501]

I just said the SAME thing, His body language spoke volumes, It was louder than the conversation itself!!

[@keelhe893]

He had such negative simp energy over there pouting

[@missalphaomegagod-2u]

@@keelhe893exactly he’s always like that with BW straight envious/jealous

[@callmepj4333]

Thank you - I was watching on my tv and had to break out the iPad DJ Envy obviously was ready to fight because of how he feels about his parents and what they did for him WHILE BEING AVERAGE WORKING CLASS… Ebony is def on point and she made the same point over and over and over again! Some men can’t handle a strong and intelligent woman outside the bedroom…he’s definitely 🤡’ing.

[@mikebrin2002]

What are the odds he told someone to get a better job, that was serving him... To try to embarrass them... 🙄🙄🙄

[@phillymoss2986]

She really proved her point its simple better yourself to greatness dont settle at mediocre

[@letgo4331]

Yes. At the same time she does not need to prove anything. We are all allowed to have our preferences. If it's not hurting someone else who cares?

[@karlo9572]

What’s average? Being middle class is average? This trash woman is below average as a human being and that’s what matters the most.

[@brotherman1363]

I'm one-hundred-percent in agreement with her but we got off topic I thought the topic was why didn't she date black men

[@destinymcgowan5328]

​@@brotherman1363 She never said. That was never the discussion. Envy was just deflecting because he was feeling beige rage and thinking with emotions and not logic

[@michaeldavis8665]

Shut up lol you probably work at Popeyes.

[@stephonjones96]

Needed to hear this !!! I was a school bus driver & currently a school custodian. I clicked thinking this would be super controversial / combative but the amount of logic she provided behind her stand point left me with a high level of respect for her mentality. As a young black man striving to learn new skills to improve my position in this country I appreciate the message ! I’m studying to own a home inspection business .

[@Deputyeula305]

AMAZING 👏🏿

[@Nash0303]

This! I levelled up from being a miserable nurse and doubled my income.

[@TheDivaReport]

That’s fire!!! Wishing lots of success to your business 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@kheatherthompson]

I love this for you and we need more Black Inspectors and Appraisers in Real Estate. Congratulations ❤🖤💚

[@jenniferkoromahkoromah8104]

Ebony is full of shit and all that talkin that she's doing don't justify anything she said to Iyana!!! She put foot in her mouth and now she's trying to get it out!!!

[@fdhall]

Eboni, I agree 1000% with every single word you said. We as a people need to stop getting hurt "feelings" over some damn words especially when those words are coming from a real one and and rooted in love and best intentions. I admittedly haven't watched much of Eboni's content (and I need to change that!), but just from what I've watched thus far she's 100% and owns what she says...and I get down with people like that. Great interview and like many have said, a much needed conversation.

[@denecca100]

A lot of black people aren’t ready for this conversation. If you listened to what she said objectively without emotions then you would know that Eboni is speaking a lot of truth. There are alot of systemic problems that have put our people behind but we keep ourselves there in alot of ways.

[@Truthteller978]

Speak it!

[@Dimeonwheels]

You're correct. What she said holds true. However, her tone and some of the verbiage was harsh and insensitive. When called out on how it was viewed, she still doubled down, opting not to admit that it rubbed folks the wrong way. If her viewership took a nose dive behind this, I bet she'd be on an apology tour.

[@showmecreationsmultimedia]

And we agree. But the problem is, that’s not the argument. The argument is broke men get rejected, but broke women still find a rich husband and aren’t judged.

[@Ageof1Aquarius]

I agree with you. It all reverts back to yt supremacy-Dr. Francis Welsing and Dr. Claude Anderson have been warning us about the permanent underclass and how yt supremacy is a system. People need to wake up!

[@87Lohan]

What she’s saying is idealistic and actually isn’t a way to build a strong black economy. Not everybody can be an entrepreneur and not everybody needs to be an entrepreneur in order to elevate the black community. If someone is happy driving a bus, living a simple life I just don’t see the problem. They still play a vital role in society and in the economy, they are consumers which are needed.

[@jasminebanks1166]

The beige rage meter TOOK ME OUT 😂😂😂

[@aceboogie369]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@beekutie1396]

😂😂😂😂😂 I saw that😂😂😂😂😂

[@miked3281]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ipsilonia]

when eboni started mentioning statistics I FELT THAT. that’s what drove her point home for me. it’s about mindset. the cards been stacked against us. now we have google and we have social media. the opportunity to think outside the box is THERE. the opportunity to maximize your skill set is THERE. we have opportunities that other generations didn’t. knowledge is democratized bc of the internet, and knowledge is POWER. parents should keep expecting greatness from their kids without putting undue pressure on them. my parents didn’t play around about that and it was the discipline I NEEDED. i know my talented a$$ can’t work certain minimum wage jobs bc i care *more* about maximizing my skill set. i know there are systemic issues we’re still dealing w as a community, but it shouldn’t be an excuse for community-wide complacency.

[@mr.brooks9802]

Her initial comment and frame was in regards to men as a whole. The pivot to black men was her changing the conversation and moving the goal post

[@ecclairmayo4153]

Bingo. #noexcuses

[@CaliCool91]

Lol why is it that when Kevin Samuels used statistics to point to black women's mediocrity such as obesity, it was suddenly feelings matter and how you say it matters. But with Eboni apparently only the numbers matter and who cares if the way you say it hurts feelings?

[@rsingh9900]

She is so sneaky. She change the story around . She had a white man

[@revilloteoj1934]

@@RKG5A5 My Brother

[@jarellgreen548]

She actually made the most sense to me. Seriously feelings are way less important than our progression as a people.

[@Thatboycj2232]

Yes!!

[@followtheleader61]

Finally somebody who actually gets it

[@allaboutthemurzic]

“our progression as a people”? Who tf is “our” and what does “as a people” mean

[@papmirelli]

She is a hypocrite. She is saying that Envy is emotional and therefore not receiving the message. Then she turns around and shits on Chris Rock because she is in her feelings as a black woman and what Chris said about Jada...

[@Phenomenal-ti4yv]

⁠Very much

[@reneesmith9693]

This most definitely was one of the best topics and debates EVER presented on this show!!! Omg! Loved every moment of it! This conversation was definitely needed.

[@candicoatedsecrets]

I thought it was just me. I love the breakfast club but this conversation just hit different for some reason. I was soo mad it ended lol

[@BlackWeldgod]

I With you Eboni I’m a welder repair business owner and I’m employed with a garbage company ownership is key 🔑 stay woke black folks ❤❤❤❤

[@domj8504]

Very inspiring proud of you!

[@GraduateJLN]

You don’t have a problem with what she said because you aren’t a bum with one source of income❤️

[@shynebayarea510]

Everybody don't want to be a owner

[@deryckaird.7761]

I’ve been a track worker for NYC Transit for almost ten years. I’m about to train to become a track inspector because I know I can’t be a track worker forever. Physically, that will take its toll. Some may not like the way she did it, but Eboni K. Williams was basically calling men higher, black men especially. That’s actually a good thing. I’m encouraged by that.

[@Jameel3DN]

I Can see that if this was a woman who pursued black men.. This lady pursued white men her entire life and now that she is 40 and single this is all black mens fault? She tryna scape goat men into feeling like its our fault when the stats say Black men lead black women in everything .. Smh this is just crazy

[@alphakanybody1]

Yea but you weren’t complacent, you did what you had to do to get where you wanted to be.. at no point would I have called you or what you had to do was mediocre.. good luck witcha training G 🤝

[@lizzyforevermore4]

Yea but a lot BM don't hear that though. They don't know how to read between the lines and get offended by everything that could implemented as constructive criticism

[@chitlinjuice]

The Black women that don't push black men to be better usually are the ones that pity black men bc they don't believe they can do better. So really, Eboni clearly cares more about yall which is why she's saying to step it up.

[@helldlc777]

Good stuff bro! The interviewers were horrible.

[@jackieala4515]

I appreciate the honesty and perspective from Eboni K Williams- if black folk can get out of our own way and listen to a perspective that allows us to be better we would succeed- BET ON BLACK

[@odiliaod9683]

We get our feelings hurt everyday by the people who want us to fail and stay at the bottom. Eboni wants us to not be complacent, I would rather hear and be hurt by the truth if it means I will reach MY highest skill set in life. Some people need a gentler approach and some just need it straight no chaser. Whatever resonates with you to reach your highest skill set in life (I'm with Eboni).

[@Blessed_Beyond_Belief]

Great comment. It’s a shame she even has to come and explain why to a bunch of people who will still disagree because they are mentally programmed to stay average!!

[@Quitfleeingyourhomeland1]

She’s a 🛌 🔧

[@Iloveswedes]

Yeah, she wants that.... but then she's not a great motivational speaker if when she talks about her personal life, she's like he has to be a bus owner, not driver. That doesn't put her in a good light. Everybody wants to be rich, everybody likes the idea of marrying somebody rich. No need to suggest you are above somebody else.

[@marie-francoiset9402]

@@Iloveswedes she didn't say she was above anyone else. she just doesn't want a bus driver. so what? it's her life.

[@avajordan5616]

Eboni you have spoken! We’ve been taught to take less and or expect less. Our thinking needs to be altered to higher level.

[@zerotolerance2026]

Agreed! This is how I’m raising my 2 daughters. One will be graduating and going to college in 2024. She already understands the assignment. Standards, boundaries and expectations! It’s just that simple.

[@seanboogiejones3718]

I’m a bus driver who happens to own his own bus and business and I’m not offended by what she’s saying. I can feel where she’s coming from and the mindset that she would entertain being involved with. Having a preference shouldn’t be frowned upon because there’s levels to things.

[@newrivervalleywellnessdotc1260]

exactly, I feel like Envy would take issue with after all he has done , he would not like his kids wanting to become a bus driver or his daughters marry a bus driver. And these are dude that clown Childish Gambino for coming in there with average no name clothes .

[@mefilmmaking]

No you’re not. Nice try. You’re fishing for positive comments.

[@brahmabkitty03]

Awesome! My Grandfather was a founder of the 1st black bus company! It’s about what makes you happy.

[@seanboogiejones3718]

@@mefilmmaking Ha, I would get nothing from that but I see YOU’RE fishing for dialogue by commenting on other people’s comments. Have a good one whoever you are

[@GarageStudio7]

​@@newrivervalleywellnessdotc1260 Exactly it is hypocritical of him. He is attenpting to push political correctness and feelings over facts.

[@pettylouxentertainment4323]

The Problem Is They Worried About People Feelings, They Can’t Take The Fact That She Using Her Vocabulary Correctly 😂 Cause Atp They Not Listening

[@tredbailey]

She literally answered how to not be mediocre like 10 times and they keep asking it

[@luvbug4388]

Yes I'm like why are people playing crazy. Like she doesn't keep answering the questions. And talking in circles. I would have been so frustrated with em! It was like they weren't listening,and just saying anything. Lol

[@jeffmorency3224]

Maybe it don't make sense to them..explaining don't mean anything if it doesn't make sense

[@tredbailey]

@@jeffmorency3224 true.

[@gtsound12]

She is double talking and what she is saying doesn’t make sense. She is saying if you don’t settle for one job and maximize your skills then you are not mediocre but at the same time there are several broke people with tons of hustles and streams of income but they are not making good money. I guarantee she will consider them mediocre. She wouldn’t date a bus driver that owned the bus if he wasn’t profitable.

[@malisiaevelynstl]

@@gtsound12 She's allowed to have her personal standard, she minimized that part of the conversation because the bigger issue for her is the conversation around settling for mediocrity. And if there are several broke people with several streams of income then obviously they're not optimizing their potential. At the end of the day, she said she's not the ruler for what mediocrity is, define that for yourself!

[@bopcooper8974]

She called the working class mediocre. Aint no way around that. Mediocre has always had a negative connotation. You can’t flip it to = average

[@MomentPhotographyG1]

Fax

[@Erniepotts]

Mediocre has two definitions. She meant of low quality in her original statement but today she wanna say average lmao

[@NonProphet500]

It's all relative. Depending on the average income of the folks she's in the room with a woman worth $2million can be mediocre. If she in a room with Oprah, she's the mediocre.

[@flatbkush6]

*The funny part about it is that she look mediocre. Men value the physical of a woman not money and success. I wouldn't want to wife this regular looking chick anyway. She only qualify for a good smash* 🤷🏾

[@princeshine9062]

‼️ eboni k Williams is CORRECT. I'mma put my business on front Street I only make $20 an hour and I agree with everything this woman is saying. Y'all dudes are weak. Just because you're a nice person someone is supposed to take you in no matter your conditions ⁉️ stop acting like y'all would date a homeless nice person. People have a right to their standards. When you're trying to be an entrepreneur you are advised by experts to surround yourself around alike individuals. You don't think it's extremely important/necessary for that alike individual to be your sexual/life partner. If a woman told me I have to get my bread up before being in her life I wouldn't be mad. Just like I wouldn't expect a homeless woman to be mad at me if I tell her she has to upgrade her life if she wants to be with me. Y'all are weak and emotional.

[@kinggee5605]

I’m a black man and as a whole our community do need to boss up more. That social media is probably one of the worst things that happened to us becuz it’s a distraction to what’s really important. Our youth and young adults need to put those devices down, get that education, obtain some skills that will be here in the future, learn a language becuz ur going to need that as well and make urself marketable. Then u can use social media as a platform to educate others and make ur money. They got it all backwards right now they think social media without skill is the end of all. They will be left out in the dry 10 years from now stuck. It seems like other ethnicities understand it more than us and I wish our young black folks will grasp this concept and understand becuz the way the future look for a good proportion of us isn’t promising.

[@kazithecanecorso2724]

But what is your current income like now and what have you done to better it😅

[@UncleSixx602]

She hates Black men. If this isn't apparent with her whole spew... That's an issue.

[@unknowntv6600]

@@kazithecanecorso2724 nosy much

[@pricillamiza8378]

I hate how they have to question her about what she desires if she doesn't want to date a bus driver it's okay she doesn't have to justify anything,I also wouldn't date a bus driver because who is beneath period .

[@unknowntv6600]

@@pricillamiza8378 no one said you or any other woman doesn't have a choice at the end of the day we always have a choice but to put down a man because he's driving a bus as if he can't find a woman who would accept him as a bus driver it pains me to see women look down on men like you do saying a person is beneath you.😂🤣 Sometimes I wonder why some men even date women like you I'm from a 3rd world country but I'm working towards becoming a multi millionaire here in my country trust me when America starts to lose its value as a world power that's if that happens a lot of you women will start to think differently when shit hits the fan because a lot of you are not even naturally beautiful make up,hair,nails,fake bodies and all those enhancements just to mark up your so-called standards 🤣😂🤣😂

[@PTE-uj5oj]

I think Envy implying that Eboni is shitting on bus drivers is being disingenuous. It’s not about the profession, it’s more about one’s ambition and progression. She didn’t say she wouldn’t date a bus driver, she said if he owned the bus… meaning as long as he’s progressed beyond just driving the bus. Eboni is about 40 years old and her resume speaks for itself. She wants to build a life with someone who has accomplished more in life.

[@lolsmileyface1057]

What I got from Eboni is that many in the black community have the potential to maximize their skill set and go beyond what they’re willing to do at this moment. Unfortunately, many settle for average because it’s “good enough” but what we need to continue building is exceptionalism. She’s talking to the ones who knowingly do not want greater for themselves because they’re stuck under the ceiling of insecurity, white supremacy/“the white man is keeping me down”, and just pure laziness. But the part where we settle for “average” has been primed in our minds, and for some reason we accept that if we get crumbs, we are doing more than what other black people are able to do. We are capable of more fam and we should do everything in our power to break the ceilings in our mind to ascend to something greater. Instead of settling for driving a bus, think about owning your own company one day. Instead of settling for manager of a store, aspire to manage a district and more. This is all about the growth mindset. We can’t have growth if we continue to make excuses for not being successful. That’s not what our ancestors did during the civil rights era. They worked their asses off for a greater future FOR US! Communities like Black Wall Street were created by them. The goal of civil rights was so that we can rebuild that again without it being burned to the ground without repercussions. We need to take full advantage of every window of opportunity to excel and build greater for us.

[@lolsmileyface1057]

And additionally, she refuses to accept mediocrity, and she refuses to accept that for her future partner. Women can choose to get the well established man, but it’s also not a bad idea to choose the one with an active growth mindset. The one who is in action and building their future.

[@letgo4331]

But black women have not and fall behind when finding quality partners to date.

[@demetryc.9734]

John Henryism kills fathers everyday

[@turquoisepurple7sky151]

​@@letgo4331Because black women need to exercise, compete and stop accepting mediocricy from men in their communities

[@coreyrichardson2682]

She fooled you too huh?! She got called out and then she talking this bullshit

[@BV9429]

I UNDERTOOD EVERYTHING SHE WAS SAYING SHE WASNT PUTTING ANYBODY DOWN SHE WAS JUST SAYING SET HIGHER STANDARDS FOR YOURSELF

[@Fachizzle]

Right???

[@Uneducatedcapitalist]

um.. didnt she get caught stealing shoes, UM didnt her law degree get suspended.. Um didnt her car get repeod. SHe needs to stop. seriously

[@roselynholloway7863]

@@Uneducatedcapitalistwhere did you see that

[@Uneducatedcapitalist]

@@roselynholloway7863 google it. she admitted it. she was on housewives but she had neither a house nor was she a wife.

[@kimberlyemma2106]

As someone who loves tough love and brutal honesty I enjoy Eboni's approach. She's ultimately saying black people are consistently at the bottom of the totel pole in everything and that we need to fix that via ownership.

[@showmecreationsmultimedia]

And we agree. But the problem is, that’s not the argument. The argument is broke men get rejected, but broke women still get a man.

[@25McDermott]

@@showmecreationsmultimedia FACTS… she literally said people with average jobs had c and d for grade point average.

[@kimberlyemma2106]

@Show Me Creations the black community will NEVER thrive and be at the top of the totel pole without black men. She is ultimately pushing black men to seek power and ownership. The first step in that direction, according to most people, will always be education. What is wrong with that?

[@AG-xt6ei]

All of that has nothing to do with her original statement

[@teecharee6069]

​@@showmecreationsmultimediashe still ain't dating the bus driver

[@meaganharris2683]

Envy and Weezy had a brick wall up and were both disrespectful. No matter how logical Eboni was, they refused to hear her point and Envy looked bored every-time Eboni spoke. So disrespectful! They put Eboni in the hot seat and she was READY! Eboni is right! It’s not about the feelings. We are capable of stepping up!!! Period.

[@jas8471]

I never felt like Eboni Williams hurt me as a working-class person. I understood her stance from day one, and i agree with her. Why would you want your children on the 'school to minimum wage pipeline' where they have no other option but to wait till retirement to rest or travel.

[@Fifth3rd]

🚨I was once a plant worker and I HATED IT making $15.75 at Ford Motor Company. Now I’m a truck driver making $30….. 🚨 I must say this was a healthy conversation and I actually agree with her. Us as black ppl, HAVE TO GET OUT OF MEDIOCRACY! Now her delivery was tough, but she has a VALID POINT! We have to do better as a culture. I’ll say it for Eboni, the black culture is BROKEN and she’s really telling us to get out our feelings and get our ISH together. I will FOREVER expect EXCEPTIONALITY out of myself and everyone associated with me. Now Envy has a point about the delivery BUT we gotta toughen up and it’s kinda the right place for a woman to speak to the hearts of men. Men can motivate men, but our Queens can move us in ways that other men can’t. Respectfully.

[@DEPSTEPS]

She don't mean that shit she a damn lawyer ! She made 2 different comments BUS driver then got mad at the comments and proceeded to attack with the C and Ds comments and white supremacy talk !!! You negros believe whatever a MF SAY LOLLLL

[@f58534]

You fell for it to 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@f58534]

She prefer white men for a reason

[@__kash]

@@f58534 Maybe you should fall for it too. We’re doubling salaries over here 😉

[@f58534]

@Ms. Bailey we doing quite well actually.... together.... she changed the topic after getting dragged

[@pamelamclean4789]

Eboni will never apologize for hurting people feelings. I love how Envy stood 10 toes down for his community!!! Way to go Envy!!

[@thegreatdel9679]

Oh she’ll apologize if it was the LGBTQ but since it’s black men she doesn’t have too it’s ok to disrespect us

[@ebonyc3751]

The hard truth does and typically hurt people feelings.

[@luckygurl2048]

He's wrong she said nothing bad about any profession

[@peachesandpoets]

I'm sorry you and bus drivers are hurt but no woman owes anybody anything.

[@frontrowwithseand.9056]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@redbird9000]

Thx Eboni K Williams for pushing us forward. We as blk people don’t like the truth. We do need to push higher!

[@Uneducatedcapitalist]

um.. didnt she get caught stealing shoes, UM didnt her law degree get suspended.. Um didnt her car get repeod. SHe needs to stop. seriously

[@silentsmashbros4902]

This was one hell of a conversation, and it was a MUCH NEEDED conversation. If you can get out of your feelings enough, you will get the message. Great job to everybody involved.

[@mirianinoa1964]

Agreed

[@minalove6582]

Yes!

[@matachijones3981]

I agree. When my children attended school C,D,F was unacceptable in my home. Period…..

[@girlygirllocssoul]

🎯🎯🎯 The one thing I’ve learned in life are these words… “It is not personal, it’s business”. Personal will have you stuck in your feelings and when you FINALLY get out of your feelings, life done ran right through you.

[@joierichardson6029]

@@girlygirllocssoul agreed!

[@imani6938]

This WHOLE GROUP IS in THEIR FEELINGS. Ebony isn't lying about MEDIOCRE SKILLS. Everybody and their Momma can drive a bus, and NOTHING is bad about that. She's just saying that their is untapped potential that Black people are not groomed to be ASPIRING TOO. She just wants BLACK FOLK TO KNOW, that we can reach just as high as our White counterparts IF WE CHOOSE TO DO SO.

[@mr.logicandfactsunapologet4926]

Everyone can’t be successful as my wife and I. If it wasn’t for my workers I wouldn’t be in the position I’m in. If you own a business you would know that, no one is mediocre.

[@SomebodyComelookatThis]

💯💯💯💯✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾

[@imani6938]

@@mr.logicandfactsunapologet4926 Sounds like you are unsuccessful with reading and comprehension.

[@sonyaethaniel]

​@@imani6938 💯

[@truthbearer7891]

@@imani6938 No sounds like you’re just a soap box talker and undoubtedly you don’t make 6 figures as a self employed person with employees or you would know it’s not even mathematically possible for everyone or even the majority to be in high earning positions even if they had the skills to do so. Because someone has to serve on the front lines, in lower management, etc. Otherwise the business couldn’t function where the top executives could even afford to pay themselves high income

[@NormaLopez-yb7bk]

This was a transparent, thought provoking conversation! I’m here for it! 🙌🏽❤️

[@toyablackson5903]

This is a low value topic ...Running a Fortune 500 company is a thought-provoking conversation...never a relationship topic!

[@mindfulculturecreators]

People need to understand that your feelings are YOUR responsibility. The second we accept this to be true is the second we end so much suffering. We can be empathetic and understanding and kind...and STILL hurt someone's feelings. When we heal as a community, we won't be so susceptible to hurt feelings. This conversation was a trigger to a wound caused long before ebonie Williams.

[@axxis402]

Yeah but she said nothing that was right. That was not even her statement They were talking about dating not the plight of the black man and woman she turned it into that.

[@blaqueboywonder9163]

Everyyyy time I hear Ebony I like her more & more & more . Definitelyyyy on her side .

[@aleashamason8497]

A lot of men resent women who make more than them and become awful in these relationships because they're insecure. I've experienced this during my attempts to "date down" and "meet him where he is". Some of these men can't even relate to what we deal with career wise or what we have exposure to so they label you as "uppity" or "too smart" or even "trying to be YT". What's the problem to encourage the men in our community to achieve higher success. Shouldn't they already be thinking this way? How are you to afford a wife and family?

[@Khawk06]

Probably because a lot of women get money and let it go to their head trying to treat the man like a child

[@sheritownsend5359]

You hear of this happening all the time. That's why so many of these anti Eboni comments are coming from the men. They resent a woman of her stature saying what she said. - Especially a Black woman!

[@Troy_Johnson]

Men aren't insecure because you make more money It's your attitude you're probably masculine and treat them like shit

[@malikthomas8452]

Women earn less than man so this is really pointless because black women earn less. Than black men and white. Women earn less than white men

[@adriannepowell8289]

Great questions 👏🏾 I would love answers

[@Erniepotts]

The fact that she keeps doubling down on her comments says more about her character than anything.

[@sinamen516]

Which is what Iyanla was trying to get at and she still missing it. She gonna be single forever at this rate 🙄

[@QuatMan]

​@Chinky Ke She isnt objective. She is defensive and insecure and behaving as though she is saying things we havent been talking about for years

[@royaltyblessed2454]

​@chinkyke8266 I mean they are not wrong...the ladies on panel definitely challenged her thinking...especially at the end about her being an entertainer...pay close attention to how Eboni responded...she is a entertainer and def wants her word to be heard...and I feel that in that moment and clip, things backfired.

[@frostedflavors]

As a custodian myself , but a barber & cannabis business owner as well , I can relate to what she is saying and a lot of people don’t want to hear . It’s all about what the person wants I see it everyday in the school district some people are complacent with just being custodians or just teachers but deep down are unhappy or know they want more and can do more but for whatever reason or outside / internal situations they settle . As a custodian business owner I know this is not it for me and I strive for more daily but not everyone can relate and I’m ok with that like snoop dogg said it’s about closing the gap .

[@augustineacevedo37]

If you were 60 years old with a successful cleaning company, would you feel like you lived a life that was mediocre? I dont think that would be mediocre. And I'm really glad you strive to reach even more, and have multiple companies. But I would be just as happy for you if you had a decent job and a happy family 🤷‍♂️ there's nothing mediocre about living your life bro ❤💯

[@SomPrince]

Wth are we doing? We hate our regular jobs yet get offended when someone says you can do better 🤣 Always seek to do better, that’s the message that I got 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@sweetulip2004]

Good point!

[@inkagold547]

With all due respect, I saw the full interview and Iyanla said if" he liked riding the bus". That job is less than another job it's just people's opinions.

[@AshleeSmith-o9d]

This is the problem with Black America we want to be pacified into greatness. When in actuality obtaining the excellence that Eboni is speaking to that we want to see happen collectively takes fucking GRIT. To exercise that muscle you have to put your feelings aside and, take accountability and sit in the conviction that we can do better in order to move from mediocracy into our true highest individual potential. Then construct a plan to execute. If you have any inkling about wealth you know that high earning skill sets and ownership is apart of the blueprint. All Eboni did was give us the medicine without the candy. It was a perspective I needed to hear for sure.

[@MrAcehard]

i bet y'all hated Kevin samuels speech tho lol

[@ChosenOne232]

@@MrAcehardro KS was saying this shit for 2 yrs and was crucified. Throughout this whole interview I heard nothing but KS talking points (on both sides) R.I.P the godfather 🕊️

[@Nash0303]

@@MrAcehard nah this is why I loved KS and got his point and changed.

[@BreenyLee]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@BreenyLee]

@@MrAcehard Kevin Samuels was a two tongued snake because on one hand he preached about Black Excellence and one hand he told black women to settle!! Didn’t Kevin Samuels tell that lady she was average at best? Now y’all got a problem with Eboni calling y’all black men average? 😂😂😂😂

[@macmac-ok6bl]

I am a college graduate who stands on the shoulders of "essential workers." I don't consider those individuals average or mediocre. Those "average folks" taught me the importance of community and the importance of giving back. Let's always pursue excellence, but let's not put down blue-collar workers in the process.

[@BrusselsNoSprouts]

She didn't put down any blue collar workers. She talked about the "job" itself.

[@saucy05]

Apparently, your university didn't teach you much in listening comprehension.

[@paulettehargrove2778]

There skill sets are average doesn’t have anything to do with who/ how you were raised please separate the two that’s why you went to college so you could gain skills there were not average

[@astridediva]

She doesn’t have to date a bus driver

[@jermaineogarro2124]

These mfers just want to be rite....she was talking some bs period...u made a good point my boi

[@jaycatalyst1313]

A few years ago it was ok to call most women average looking and that we should accept and be ok with that. Now average is a bad word. Most people work average jobs and there’s nothing wrong with wanting more for yourself and we should want more for ourselves. Most men would go after a “10” before going after an “average” woman. That’s the nature of humans.

[@SpicyOriginal]

Well I’ll say this. Iyanla did a great job of never answering Eboni’s question (cuz she didn’t have an answer) and shifting the attention elsewhere. 😂😂

[@islandroxie]

I completely agree with Eboni. She is saying the same thing that immigrant parents have said to their children for decades. Every First Gen kid has heard this most of their life!! 🇯🇲

[@angelaasse688]

Facts. My parents are Haitian 🇭🇹. They dont play!

[@destinymcgowan5328]

There is a difference between immigrants and Black Americans

[@jasminegeorgie6273]

A LOT OF BLACK AMERICAN PARENTS TALKS TO THERE KIDS.😒

[@shellz831]

​@@destinymcgowan5328 and DUMMY, that's what she is saying. Stop being BEGGARS in America. The whi+es having given yall SHHH and while never give yall SHHH. Thinking you're special talking about " ⚫ Americans" just show yall have been the riches and being in America the longest and STILL DONT GOT SHHH TO SHOW FOR IT.

[@sdb1218]

Of course a woman would agree with this stupidity.

[@shaniquedavis3609]

You can tell envy did not listen the entire of the interview. Just talking and not listening. BYE!

[@rrichmond14]

There was nothing missing. I watched the whole interview and it doesnt make her look any better.

[@michaeldavis8665]

Girl sit your ass down somewhere

[@Countingthedays28]

I wholeheartedly understand what Eboni is saying, I think her delivery and then doubling down is what rubbed many people the wrong way, but it was a very important discussion, look forward to seeing more deep conversations like this. 👏🏽

[@olansogbes6705]

I agree

[@joshlamar1990]

Who cares what eboni has to say about the black community she’s clearly only dates white men that have a position of power.

[@emwebb10]

That really what it is.

[@peachesandpoets]

That's their problem. Why do black women have to walk on eggshells to tell the truth? She studied and went to law school and doesn't want struggle love. She shouldn't have to kiss the ring to say that

[@joshlamar1990]

@@peachesandpoets and she’s still 40 and unmarried her millionaire fiancé called off the engagement money can’t buy love and success is not going to make someone stay with you.

[@desiree.s]

Envy is always so emotional. In every argument, it’s always emotional.

[@rriley6963]

And rude to guests or pouting

[@Kelaine72]

his behavior was horrid in this debate

[@sonya-mariesamuel4708]

Because he has a poor vocabulary and communication skills- when he can’t keep up he gets riled up.

[@f58534]

How ? He barely spoke

[@ohanaohana8844]

​@@f58534 look at his face and posture. Nonverbal is just as powerful as verbal.

[@RINAVALERIE]

No matter on what end you stand. This was a good conversation! The breakfast club needs to do this more often.

[@towanaj1394]

Very true...

[@joka5345]

One side had facts and the other was all feeling

[@JAPANESEJENN]

Yes I loved the commentary

[@Rtbj335]

True

[@ShelleyShell1986]

@@joka5345 And it wasn’t Eboni 👏🏾 !!! I love that for us

[@anjuelle3997]

She's not downing it. She wants us to keep striving for better and not become complacent. There is nothing wrong with that. I'm in college right now.

[@hiwalkalone1801]

Good for you! Wait till a couple years from now when women start dominating the work space because men decided to get in their feelings and not step up.

[@dawncarey7664]

Whether you like Eboni K. Williams or not. Whether you like her delivery or not. Whether you like her status in life or not. She is speaking FACTS! Envy all in his feelings being all sensitive! Shout out to Eboni K!

[@sv2phx]

U know it all

[@GETBIG4WARD]

You hate Envy because he a man stop talking in code 😂😂

[@CaliCool91]

Lol why is it that when Kevin Samuels used facts to point to black women's mediocrity such as obesity, it was suddenly feelings matter and how you say it matters. But with Eboni apparently only the numbers matter and who cares if the way you say it hurts feelings?

[@emanualcarr7408]

So Envy can't be just as relevant with his perspective and delivery? Wow 😮

[@GETBIG4WARD]

@@CaliCool91 bingo

[@kittykatt615]

it’s so disappointing to the ones that refuse to comprehend what Eboni is saying cuz they focused more on feelings over FACTS - not understanding or even agreeing with Eboni’s points is why WE are/will continue to loose as a collective smfh She’s saying: BE YOUR BEST SELVES BLACK PEOPLE Yes, not everything she said was “perfect” but her Ultimate Message IS - Wake Up Yall

[@steezybeatz]

I don’t think anybody disagrees with that but it’s irrelevant to the original question about why she has disdain for dating a working class man regardless of his character. Giving her a pass for that comment is gross.

[@kyntrealdouglas4684]

She talking about black men dating black women and honestly men have a problem understanding why it's ok for men to date down but not women. But women the main ones who complain about not finding love and commitments

[@steezybeatz]

@@kyntrealdouglas4684 I hear you. The term “dating down” has always been a trip to me because men have provided for women who contribute less monetarily since the Dawn of man and never complained. Men don’t care if a woman works at Starbucks or a cancer research facility as long as you’re a woman of integrity. I think the root of the drama is that a lot of women nowadays judge men by their pockets rather than their character.

[@ronald8071]

Why don't she wake up

[@tboydot1]

Oh, really? So what happened to somebody called Kelvin Samuels who stood on facts over feeling when talking to and calling out black people's bs? Black men took it on the chin, but once he got done addressing black men and turned towards black women with similar tone and energy, what did he get?? How many women came out in his defense telling other black women that they were reacting with feelings over facts?? To the point that he died and black women mocked and laughed at his demise of natural cause, just because he called out black women's flaws with facts and stats. Something that must be a taboo. Thus, this is how it is - A black woman can intelligently call out black men on their bs backed by facts and it's all good, but we all know a black man would catch hell for doing the exact same thing just like Kevin Samuels did. Now you've got all these women in the sisterhood cumbaya-ing with Ebony because the energy is directed at black men. Flip that around, I'd bet my life he would be canceled and made to apologize.

[@Lighting4aQut]

I gotta applaud everybody on this episode on the Breakfast Club for sitting through this entire conversation

[@lelahill9778]

Me TOO- totally agree

[@Forsaken860]

Maturity was real in this moment cause I AINT GOT IT.....

[@travisscott2678]

Yes. Because I would have left. Envy gets on my nerves.

[@tendaichaponda8284]

Haha so y out would leave a conversation because you didn’t hear what you want ? Very mature lol

[@gaila.9852]

@@Forsaken860 Hahaha!

[@lovemesh09]

Thank you sis 🙌🏾🙌🏾 she’s challenging the community! Period! the truth hurst but the facts are facts ! Grow up Envy!

[@glitbow7630]

Envy spoke the truth lmao she’s the one who needs to stop shaming peopl for driving a city bus

[@godsmercenary8166]

OOOOHH MY GOD!! Are we even listening??? Shes not shaming anyone!!! She just wants black ppl to strive for better that's all!!! Envy honestly really needs to grow up!!

[@idealiamcadory3769]

I can’t believe grown men up here talking about feelings… eboni I understand everything u said keep speaking ur truth

[@jaypumpkin5978]

The problem is a lot of black folks get in their feelings when the conversation is about class, money, and our overall position in this society. Eboni is right! By the year 2050 the black community will be a underclass. We deflect from these conversations because it doesn’t make us feel good but if the conversation was about giving praise, everyone would be for it. We will not change without having these hard conversations. Coddling feelings won’t help them achieve greatness. Hearing this isn’t easy but if you put your feelings and pride/ego aside you can understand the message.

[@aguy9071]

She’s wrong. It is about class, and because she is of a low social class, she’s single She’s said she doesn’t know her father and it effects how she views men. She’s 40 and argumentative. Socially, she’s not attractive to men of decent or high status

[@kennyjmagtown]

this feels like the infamous dame dash interview. seemed controversial at first but now dame was right in the end

[@seedking40]

Eboni is part of the problem. Where's her family at? The richest people in the world are families, people only talk about the individual billionaires on Forbes to confuse you. Every race and nationality that has done well in the states and actually has a piece of the American pie are families and cultures that are derived from those families. The biggest problem black people face(mostly black women) is not having traditional family values. Families make a community and build a nation. The worst thing that can happen is that a woman priorities a career and puts creating and nurturing a family on the back burner. It's a multi level catastrophic loss. The woman enriches the power structure by spending her time and efforts there, the children raise themselves which is never good, the women give away the families wealth to fast food/eating out(which are many multi million and multi billion dollar institutions) this also opens the door for health problems that shorten lifespan and quality of life, the woman is likely to have less kids or no kids at all(meaning population growth and voting power is stagnant or declining), the men become weak because of the ease of sex with working women using birth control to adopt a sex in the city lifestyle, and one the worst things to ever happen is that black women don't care about babies anymore and became the number one killer of black life through abortion. All of these things are the result of women and their choices to pursue careers and reject traditional female culture. They want black women to pursue careers because that keeps the community distracted and in constant chaos. The women would nurture the whole community by healing with food, providing care and medicine, empathy, teaching, and encouraging. This would boost morale, keep violence to a minimum, and more importantly take care of the man who will have to sacrifice his health and energy to build a better future for the next generation, along with leading, protecting, and providing for the current one.

[@invaderzimii]

​@@seedking40 ohhh but we wus kangssss! Just because you call youreself a king doesnt mean you are one. Your comment is of a JOKER not a king🤣🤣🤣 here's a mediocre black man who instead of picking a bone with his absent father, somehow blames his mother for stepping up to provide for her family and raising her family the best she can on her OWN. That's what selflessness is. She cared way more for you than she should have. You resent your mother and you should direct all this negative energy towards yourself, your absent father, and your homies

[@dman936]

@@seedking40 Her mom was a bus driver so maybe she’s retired now

[@ralfonsojr]

This is exactly some of the conversations needed to be had: Honesty, Maturity, Passion

[@malcolmthompson7769]

There was nothing mature about her. She showed that she is the kind of person that does not listen to critique and who is very dismissive of other people's viewpoints.

[@MoPerspective]

💯

[@jailynjackson7867]

@@malcolmthompson7769 huh? Did we watch the same interview? DJ Envy was literally doing the exact same ish that you are claiming Eboni did. Y’all black men are just mad because you only saw one clip of an interview, misconstrued tf out of it and ran with it

[@seaberry11]

@@jailynjackson7867 some Black Men like to take out all of their frustrations on any woman who dares to have an opinion or preference. What she said wasn’t wrong, even if some took offense to it. No one should have to change their opinion because it hurts someone feelings. As long as it isn’t being blatantly racist or hateful…how cares.

[@peedot39]

just not condescending

[@shannonlangford8659]

Envy should shut up. She explained herself very well so him still not understanding what she was saying and provoking her is crazy. Yes, I thought it was messed up what she said based on the Iyanla "clip" but hearing the full explanation, I agree with her and I'm not offended as a black person.

[@andreagoodwin4967]

My teacher and postal worker parents had average, mediocre jobs and they put me through college. My dad taught woodshop taught hearing impaired students though sign language. He made that teaching EXCELLENT!!! He went above and beyond!! They wanted more for me, and they would agree with Eboni.

[@Mrderful]

I highly doubt that because if that were the case your mother wouldn't have even looked at your father because he didn't own the post office or the school. Yes, what eboni is saying is absolutely true but she's moving the goal post. She's spewing statistics and numbers as if that had ANYTHING to do with building a romantic relationship with a man. People forget she's a lawyer. She knows how to talk and displacing the subject at hand.

[@dialac1]

Your parents will not agree with Eboni because her mindset and her language directly shits on what your parents did as a profession. Your mother didn’t sit down waiting for a guy that owned everything. She was humble and married your dad and I’m sure they lived happy lives. The problem is that Eboni is about to hit 40 and she will never have the happy family life filled with love that your mother had.

[@CrystalsCurls]

​@dialac1 no it doesn't. People just love to be offended and they listen to respond instead of understand. That lady knows her parents and here you are telling her what her parents wouldn't agree on

[@dustybuster78]

@@Mrderful You responded to what you wanted to respond to. This person said their parents knew they were average and wanted above average for their child. Sounds like this person parents were evenly yolked so why would the mom not consider the dad when they both were in the same tax bracket? Eboni on the other hand is a lawyer and a self made millionaire, why would she date a postal worker?

[@TheeManiBrazy]

I’m crying because isn’t envy the same guy that said he wouldn’t send his kids to public schools because public schools don’t “breed millionaires”? You can’t make this up😂

[@BigShrimpin416]

The beige rage meter with Envy’s face has me dying 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MissNelson_48]

Yeah he was big mad!

[@N.A.I.MALLIN]

Shit tooo funny

[@ezolamalbreaux2735]

☠️🤣

[@insaneconqueror5421]

Lol😂!

[@MrThomas5421]

Man 😂😂😂😂😂

[@MsDomjones5]

Envy and Charla admitting they didn’t watch the full interview but having opinions is a amateur work at best and embarrassing Asf 😮

[@thewiseone6049]

Who wants to watch a full episode of a bw lambasting bm for working average jobs? Furthermore, these perspectives of most bw is simply delusional. Acting like yall became successful overnight is fkn asinine. Most of you had Govt assistance and child support the entire way up the ladder. Now, all of a sudden yall don't need men??? Stop it 😆 🤣

[@realestatetipsbyakileach6032]

Charlemagne did watch

[@brainmatterstudios5494]

It was a very powerful and strong interview. It was on my son's birthday. Thank you Ms. Williams for starting the this powerful conversation.

[@madameclark3453]

🥱

[@IamMrImpeccable]

The problem is, there are more than 1 conversations going on at the same time. 1. Ebony is really saying she wants someone that will meet her “hustle”. Someone to aspire to more than just the everyday career. She thinks this speaks to character, drive, and ambition. (Most people equate occupation, income, and status as success) 2. Ebony is sharing her belief that the black culture of people are not aware of the need to achieve more than the average life style of being avg working class because that keeps us in poverty or lower middle class. 3. Average & mediocre jobs are conflated with the “character” of people, instead of it just being their career. At the end of the day I believe people work and try their best to create a life for themselves the best way they know how until they learn better or get better opportunities. It doesn’t mean they are personally lower than anyone else because they don’t make more or have more. However, they do deserve more and may need to have a helping hand and guidance.

[@gaila.9852]

Eboni!

[@dicerevo]

People strive according to their needs. There’s a reason why the biggest indicator of higher income amongst men is whether they have children. They need to provide for others so we work longer hours, apply for higher position and take on more responsibility because we have to. But some people don’t have that requirement.

[@caponewilson6874]

Where is Mr Samuel when we need him go DJ envy I agree with you 💯%

[@joierichardson6029]

Point number 3 is awesome!!! That’s exactly on message!!

[@jeremyhill5808]

This break down was on point

[@terikawilliams6299]

Eboni is 1000% right in what she said. The whole point she made was basically bringing home a “C” when you KNOW you are capable of bringing home an “A”. If the C you bring home is your absolute best then that’s great and you are exceptional. BUT if you the accept the C just because it’s passing and “good enough” when you KNOW you can achieve that A THATS when you are average, mediocre, etc. Basically the black community can’t afford for everyone to be that definition of average/mediocre. We are dying and stuck because of it and refusal to acknowledge you are accepting to be average/mediocre just bc it’s hurts your feelings is a huge disadvantage to the black community and where we could be if we didn’t let those feelings get in the way of greatness. We as a community have to hold ourselves accountable for accepting less than what we are capable of just bc it’s good enough and being called out on it makes us feel bad.

[@lilkenny83]

So only C average students have working class jobs???? Boy, the need for a woman to be right never ceases to amaze me lmao. Yall blast Kevin Sameuls for his tone and delivery..... go back and look at that video and see just who much of a hypocrite yall be

[@pezzysquad]

Speak for yourself when you say we then maybe maybe lol

[@DanielArmour399]

Yes I agree

[@demetreusross5150]

Question: if the role was reversed and a man said what she said, would you feel the same way she does🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@JK-sz1xy]

@@demetreusross5150 absolutely not

[@emptyskies144]

What Envy said was powerful. A lot of black people are starting from such a place of disadvantage that the best thing they can do is work their asses off so that they can pass the baton to their children; so their children actually get a fair shot. We grow by operating as a community, not just thinking about what is best for us as individuals and optimizing our individual potential. Just like on a basketball team, it's not for everyone to score. Sometimes you need to set a screen. You won't be presenting yourself in the best light individually, but if you really care about what's best for the collective, you'll do it.

[@Christina5Mo]

Well said!

[@Erniepotts]

So true. My uncle was a bus driver and raised two kids plus me. His two kids have PHDs. I have two degrees myself.

[@JamesHarris-fi9fh]

Very true black folks use to think that way but we've gotten lost in the benefits we've come to earn for the most part after the civil and voting rights movements we need to get back to reality about what's going on

[@HonorableSienna]

It wasn’t. He wanted a moment. Do you believe that he would advocate for his daughters to date/marriage the bus driver.

[@dinkyboss]

Nah this can’t be the excuse 400 years from slavery. Black men have been running that excuse into the GROUND. Get off y’all asses and stop making excuses. The community will continue to suffer until ALL of its members get their shit together. Until then individuals need to do what they need to do regardless of what the community does.

[@TheBobbyWelcome]

The "Beige Rage" meter is hilarious. When it went red I almost lost it

[@tyrathethird]

Envy always shows how unequipped he is for these types of conversations. I agree 100% with Eboni, people are projecting. This conversation just sold me on her book!

[@LUX_8]

Exactly! Dude is getting all emotional, going by other people's comments rather than taking the time to actually listen to the original interview. 🙄 It was a welcome relief once he finally stopped talking!

[@emac1286]

Why is he crying like that? lmao

[@Squeeky-Da-Don]

another suckers wallet

[@rtothe7068]

Yikes, attack dog, wouldn’t even let her talk! What was that?

[@dentreveal3820]

Are you talking about the same Eboni that was building with the white man she was dating for 4 years, after the relationship failed then she run back to the black community talking about black ownership & building with blkmen. You clowns will believe anything ppl say.

[@Xxgoattalk]

My mom didn’t allow me to make C’s because she knew that wasn’t my best. However there were instances where I made a C and she saw how hard I tried and would accept it and encourage it. This is what Eboni is saying she wants Black people to work at their maximum ability and skill set!!!

[@braysthedead9547]

but we not talking about black communities and everything economics lol its about LOVE and Money will not = Love & happiness forever. specially when money can be taken from you with a blink of an eye. thats what eboni doesnt understand and she is jus focused on people (social media) comments lol i understand too so i dont hate her but she focuses on way too many things that wont matter if your lover is dying of a diseases and moeny wont save them. shes not mentally or emotionally prepared for life with a partner yet.

[@Tyra_Night]

Exactlyyy!

[@Gassaone]

I’m getting C’s trust me I know how hard I do to get them C’s. I’m working 2 jobs taking care of my wife and kid while going to school.

[@christianjames92]

Yet she dates white men.

[@davidmurray6949]

👏👏👏🔥

[@k4112]

I agree with Ebony! We as a people are ok with just getting by. Let's aim higher as a people. Great conversation

[@SamM88]

As a current worker within the gig economy, I wholeheartedly agree with most of what she said.🤷🏽‍♀️

[@elite3737]

Eboni literally got me tryna find ways to elevate myself ❤… I went to an HBCU and blew off a full MBA scholarship 30 years ago and been stuck in a mediocre automotive industry job. I am now thinking of ways to have self ownership ❣️🙌🏽💯

[@aranielleb7718]

This was her purpose ❤

[@angeldavis6947]

Girlllllll me too!!! I’m a teacher and she got me thinking about how I can elevate!

[@lorenzaii]

Gurl, I'm here with you!

[@reishadjessup9828]

Thank you DJ Envy for standing your ground.

[@jmatthews5685]

Envy sounds like a dummy. Who cares that he knows a couple folks that own a home with regular jobs...this woman is talking about the MAJORITY of BLACK MEN! He's speaking about the minority of men from a large group of less than average ones.

[@dontbotherthefather]

I’m a janitor at the post office and let’s just say I’m not staying one lol she wasn’t lying I just took a hard ass test to become an electrician I’ll take the job then I’ll eventually or during start a business. We needed to hear this they are stuck on words and feelings

[@privateriley7929]

I work at the Post office too and the janitors make great money

[@sugarwaterpurple5280]

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@briew6116]

I love it!! I wish you much success!!! That's what's up!! I love to see men get after it!!!

[@infjinfj1900]

Congratulations🙏

[@L0VEJ0NES]

Good for you!!! I have a friend who is an electrician, works for himself, and his services are always in high demand.

[@TheFoolishable]

Basically, if you’re broke, fat, ugly, short, uneducated, or have a disability just remember it’s not personal. It’s a preference..

[@tbbokum]

Aww she hurt your feelings 😢

[@dtyler4307]

@@tbbokumdamn right she hurt my feelings beating my din din is a whole ass 9-5

[@coachberline]

Eboni K. Williams, THANK YOU SIS!🙏🏽🌹💝

[@trentrodgers834]

She SPELLED IT OUT and they STILLLL CHOSE to be offended. What she is saying is as clear as a sunny Sunday morning

[@notjustaprettyface]

Exactly‼️‼️💯💯

[@flame984]

Still offensive to call someone's job mediocre. That should be clear as day but obviously she doesn't get it

[@_kaayj_]

Clear as day. 💯

[@marie-francoiset9402]

@@flame984 it's the truth. if you're offended deep inside you know you need to level up. it's actually good.

[@kundakaps]

She *LIED* about the dictionary definition of *mediocre/mediocrity* Here is what the Merriam-Webster says:  Did you know? People interested in words always point out that mediocrity doesn't mean quite what its main root would indicate: Why doesn't it describe something that's right in the middle of the pack, exactly what you would expect? Instead the words mediocrity and mediocre always suggest disappointment. A mediocre play is one you wish you hadn't wasted an evening on, and the mediocre actor in it should probably find another profession. A person can even be called a mediocrity, though it isn't very nice and you'd never do it to his face.

[@gaila.9852]

“Mediocre” has never been a neutral word. She picked the part of the definition that she wanted. I just searched it myself, and what came up was “not good enough,” “of moderate or low quality,” “not very good,” etc.

[@zabrojas7978]

Hahaha I did the sameee thing! I’m like there is no way in hell that’s the definition! N sure enough… she picked out what served her enology

[@spazz-ok9nr]

💯

[@williewakawhistle9058]

She thinks she's smarter than everyone else but she's not smart enough to know when to shut up

[@servinwetdik3455]

“Mediocre” has always been defined as “below average”

[@WontSubmit896]

Shiiid it sounds like she echoed the same shit KS was saying right? Didn’t he say BW was average, below average, etc..fuk outta here..y’all get on my same nerves..

[@mauricenix2026]

I agree with DJ Envy’s sentiment. The snippet was probably taken out of context but like he said, people were offended by it. And to all the people saying they agree with her, ownership doesn’t relieve you from mediocrity. It’s an internal thing. Mrs. Vanzant’s whole point was about searching inside. At the end of your life, what would have mattered most; your salary and material possessions or your character? All of our salaries, small or large, can be gone tomorrow. That doesn’t mean be complacent. It means remember what’s most important! I would say both sides made for a balanced conversation but Eboni seemed defensive most of the time. Like the other co-host said, “she didn’t stand 10 toes down”. She used the statistics that blacks died at a disproportionate rate to other groups during COVID because of our exposure as essential workers as a way to support her point but it just seemed like she was moving the goal post. None of that had anything to do with the broader narrative of her interview with Mrs. Vanzant. Like DJ Envy said, whether you meant to or not….you did offend the backbone of the US economy. Not Lawyers, doctors and accountants, but average workers, small businesses and blue collar workers, militia workers make it possible for her to “advocate” as she claimed. I was personally offended by the narrative notwithstanding how sensational it was.

[@truehou]

The Beige Rage meter is HILARIOUS 😂

[@realestatetipsbyakileach6032]

🤣😂🤣

[@shannonherbert4987]

One thing is for certain... Eboni is highly intelligent and passionate. If we had more like her, well paid, and in the classrooms pushing our youth towards excellence; not only would our community be in a much better place, but so would our nation as a whole.

[@deelo111]

This!!!

[@SomebodyComelookatThis]

Fax !

[@emanualcarr7408]

Good speech Gandhi

[@TreyMessiah95]

I don’t pay attention to entertainers, what grassroots work have she did? Instead of complaining about black men?

[@devonshannon4828]

So Albert Einstein was mediocre?

[@spiderpimp33]

For the people like me who can actually SEPARATE EMOTIONS from facts & data, we understand EXACTLY what she was saying regarding the topic of discussion. Great conversation.

[@usmanvcx]

Well she misrepresented several facts wrong so there’s that.

[@Jrfusion08]

@@usmanvcx What facts are those?

[@invaderzimii]

I agree. I was not offended by anything she said. The delivery might be seen as harsh but we cannot be coddled any longer. Look what coddling has done to our community as a whole. It's time to really wake up. This is a "rude" awakening.

[@thadonjuan2339]

​@InvaderZimi what she was saying has nothing to do with what she originally said.

[@invaderzimii]

@@thadonjuan2339 I don't have a problem with what she said originally and I don't have a problem with what she said now. 🤷🏾

[@jeffreymcdaniel6813]

Eboni warned about affirmative action in this vid. As of 6/30/23 , she is proven right!!😢.

[@darksoulenvoy932]

Eboni has the patience of a saint because there's no way I could have sat there explaining these very simple, obvious things over and over again for this long. Phew!

[@domj8504]

I swear! Eboni answered clear and precise and they're still going around in circles not even listening chile I would've got my purse got up and left like LeBron at the press conference 😂

[@truetwinflameandspirituala8211]

Shower ALL her Attorney skills fr!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@savvyAKAgyrl]

Listen! She better than me because the whole conversation was like talking to a toxic person who doesn't care to hear what you're saying and understand your point, all that matters is their feelings

[@32redrubies]

This just showed me how resilient this woman is. My hats off to her, while I stand in full agreement and understanding of her OVERALL message. It's really sad how people have to tiptoe in today's world to get a point across. All this because she answered a question based on HER personal standard. There was no text! Now folk want to project what she meant. GTHOH!

[@MrMeToo-fh7pe]

The most obvious and simplest thing she didn't go over was, outta everything she said, it doesn't matter if you don't start with building a Strong Family Unit.

[@BreaneNic]

It’s not hard to understand what Eboni is saying so it’s frustrating when they are misinterpreting her.

[@realestatetipsbyakileach6032]

yes it is. bc she is putting her OWN experience on everyone else

[@jmatthews5685]

@@realestatetipsbyakileach6032 no she's not. There's enough comments here and, more importantly, FACTual STATS that prove this isn't just her "experience". You being offended doesn't make her wrong

[@semajcarmel]

It can be hard to understand someone with factual information if it’s not presented palatable. The come across is just as important as the intent. I think her come across could have been more compassionate.

[@BreaneNic]

@@semajcarmel Well, she did mention she’s not trying to protect feelings. But in no way is she putting her own experience on everyone else. It’s unfair to misinterpret what’s she’s saying due to feelings being hurt.

[@malikthomas8452]

​@@BreaneNic bro stop the cat she's in no way or form did she say anything about black people as a whole species specifically said black men aren't protecting on providing earning an income and black woman are doing better in them that's literally what she said when black women earn lower than black man and every demographic in every way less than black men you really making no sense she didn't say nothing about black women at all or black people as a whole sheet of specifically said black men when she is a rare exception to the rule of any black women earning more than black men and who cares what she thinks she wouldn't bring up what God put it on the earth for God specifically said put him first and everything should come second all you need is full show through and covering into worship him it didn't say nothing about earning 6 figures what you trying to do is cover up what she really was saying even though she can't cuz she clearly said black men now that people are giving her back glass because she's a 40 year old single women who know how I value black man or any other race wants

[@AFuchs-uq8zx]

Eboni came through with facts, knowledge and grace!! It’s so important to listen to more than just sound bites. Can’t talk about Black excellence with out addressing the bigotry of low expectations!!!! Can’t just always talk about the system!

[@chitlinjuice]

Exactly. Black people are more bigoted than anything bc they don't expect better of themselves or other black people. So really, Eboni has more faith in black people than black people have in themselves lol sad

[@KTBMedia]

You have been brainwashed by rightwing propaganda

[@nettycharice6254]

This could have been a good conversation with Eboni. Instead of Envy attacking her points. Which was frustrating.

[@CaliCool91]

Lol why is it that when Kevin Samuels used facts to point to black women's mediocrity such as obesity, it was suddenly feelings matter and how you say it matters. But with Eboni apparently only the numbers matter and who cares if the way you say it hurts feelings?

[@moonlady2299]

@@CaliCool91 Both sides (men and women) are getting b*hurt when someone of the opossite gender speak facts. This method has being going on in the African american communites for too long, is toxic and has never worked lol but is what gets attention.

[@feliciamoore9786]

I agree 100% with what she is saying. I say this all the time, the need for skills & certifications is essential. The only problem I have, it is assumed that Black Americans are okay with kids getting c’s & d’s in school; then, going to college and not excelling. Absolutely no way have I ever been okay with that, and it’s in poor taste, to think that most of us are okay with it. Life is like a circle: church, family, community, and education. All facets are important and must be aligned. When one is off, it affects the other. Not saying, there won’t be much success, but it’ll be harder to attain. For instance, Eboni comes from a single parent household; yet, her family life didn’t stop her from achieving anything. The biggest attainment out of the four is education. There won’t be much skill set without it. Not only just education, but people need to UNDERSTAND the importance of it, and understand WHY it’s needed or conceptualism. It’s like learning math. It would be hard to learn the different lessons of math, without learning the concepts first. Some people may not know the importance of understanding why skill sets are needed.

[@cindynell583]

Envy didn’t hold back and I LOVE it! He held her to the fire-especially making note of the fact that she never took accountability for her comments that literally hurt people!

[@Nash0303]

Men have preferences all the time, she can have one too.

[@UrbanDecayLova247]

@@Nash0303 RIGHT!!! Since when do men care about “hurting feelings” 😂

[@50esq65]

What hurt them most? The fact that she called certain jobs and grades mediocre, or their realization that they have accepted mediocrity over greatness in work and school?

[@yolandacleare6709]

If her statement hurt you you need to level up.

[@terencesmith3853]

@@50esq65 Sis spoke the truth and was getting dragged for ratings bc of the facts that she stated. Too many Black Folk want their ears tickled! They are hearing "what they want to hear" and twisted her words and tag-teaming her and over-speaking as she was talking. #SAD . It's a truly sad person that lives their lives by their feelings with little to no standards! I agree with her 200%

[@hyorinmaru1561]

eboni says these types of comments every couple months so that she can stay in the media cycle…y’all slow for feeding into her clout chasing 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

[@Rico513]

🎯🎯🎯

[@dbutta2496]

She’s has a book out

[@sakpase88]

This my first time seeing her 🤷🏿‍♂️ not everyone be knowing these ppl

[@teracarter]

What I got out of this...ppl are stuck in their feelings about words they do not know the full definition of. Eboni has no problem with anyone who is complacent and fine with where they are in life. She loves that for them if that is what they want. She just want more for ppl and do not want them to be left behind as the world continues to advance.

[@BAtheKiD]

Bam!

[@princessbc9791]

I agree. But like you stated, I also agree with letting people stay where they are.

[@teracarter]

@Princess BC Everyone cannot go where you are going, and everyone cannot see what you see. Godspeed to everyone.

[@princessbc9791]

@@teracarter This is so true. Cause I want to be a millionaire, but I also know I'm not doing what I need to do to get there. I'm not blaming anybody and I'm good with my 6 figures. Godspeed to you too.

[@melo5978]

Thank you, DJ envy for standing up for essential workers and not allowing eboni to tap dance with big words to seem like shes fighting a bigger "fight". Thank you to all the working class workers that are essential. This is what being detached from reality looks like.

[@peachesandpoets]

Um, dj envy wouldn't let his daughters marry a bus driver who is happy being a bus driver. Nobody else is told to settle but black women.

[@shawnclark8452]

Envy aint feeling her..virgo energy on full display

[@blakex2699]

​@@peachesandpoets dating a bus driver is not settling if you are in the same income bracket. And that what Kevin samuals was saying . Women who only make 50,000 a year saying they don't want to settle. It not settling to date in your class bracket. And if you like eboni and are a millionaire it different. She not asking for anything she not doing herself

[@HonorableSienna]

He conflating the issue and by his own word. He didn’t watch the full clip.

[@Christina5Mo]

Speak on it!!!!!

[@user-gq3ku8sh9t]

First time hearing Ms. Eboni K. Williams. Definitely on point. End of the day don't let your feelings & insecurities stop you from leveling up. No matter your position there's so much room for growth. For our communities to survive & ultimately thrive this mentality is required.

[@virtuoso8642]

You invite Eboni on the show to address your hurt feelings and she addresses every statement fully and you still don’t want to really hear her. As she keeps saying, “average” does not mean *bad or inferior* . If you’re cool with where you are, be blessed, it’s fine. This was supposed to be a conversation about reaching your full potential.

[@streetking9772]

She herself said average is never good enough. She's a con artist, alot of doubletalk

[@BelovedJ]

She goes and says that people with those jobs are average and mediocre and then says she doesn’t shit on them 😂😂

[@virtuoso8642]

@@BelovedJ She goes on and defines the term “average,” which is obviously triggering for some. A word that means *typical, normal, usual* really has people upset because you’ve somehow heard her say “inferior” or “less than”.

[@queguidry9881]

But what if average is your full potential

[@kkvick1810]

Didn’t address shit, moved the goal post

[@2-kindmusic75]

Dj Envy did a great job 👏🏽 for standing his ground.

[@Theresa_A4]

I think they all have good points. I see her angle with it and I understand what she means but I also absolutely agree with Envy that there’s a way to speak to people without making people feel less than bc at that point everyone’s looking at your tone then what you’re trying to get across. And Char is right too we NEED everyday working people.

[@saquoryasmith8712]

I want to say this: I was a school bus driver. For those of you who don't know; school bus drivers have to obtain a CDL. That is a commercial driver's license. This license is issued by the Department of Transportation from whatever state you live in. A school bus driver has to know all 200 parts of and the functionality of their bus and demonstrate this knowledge in a written and professional driver's test. You have to learn how to drive what is called a flat nose bus and a bus with a nose. As well as an automatic bus vs. An air brake bus. If you cannot demonstrate your knowledge or that you can operate this vehicle safely then you cannot obtain a Class B driver's license. A class B Is a step down from a class A which truckers have to operate their rigs. Class B gives the driver the authority to operate all passenger vehicles, additionally a class B also has school bus clearance. In being a school bus driver you have to have customer service skills, ability to focus, and master distracted driving, maintain safety on and off the bus, pupil management, interpersonal skills, as well as minor mechanical skills. You also have to know how to articulate yourself across radio platforms and you also participate in Transportation boards and trainings. Every 6 years you have to re-cerify. Being a bus driver is not a joke. It is not a position that involves dumb or unskilled people. Having a class B has always allowed me to drive for whatever company I wanted to. As a bus driver my salary was between $40,00]-$65,00 a year. So for people that keep thinking being a school bus driver is a step down....educate yourself. I want to add the money I just said I made, I made it on a PART TIME schedule. So again....educate yourself

[@michaelkelly7369]

DJ Envy, I'm rocking with you she straight put down the working class.

[@lamontmartin8113]

What Eboni is saying is quite clear. Changing a mindset and conditioning is extremely difficult in our culture. Emotions can make you or break you. I get it.

[@Haddonfield63]

She don’t even know herself . She talk about all this external crap. Everything is external with her. She don’t know who tf she is.

[@TheBrownIsland]

@@Haddonfield63 SHE KNOWS exactly who she is and what her profession is as a Lawyer & TV Host. *You just don't like what she's saying since it hit a nerve with you.* Too sensitive for this topic. Grow tf up and get out of your Feelings.

[@herbalgods]

So because she is educated and has a high profile career she can’t be mediocre? Plenty of rich we’ll educated mediocre people out here. I know because i work with them. They can buy everything in the world except class and respect. We’ll educated people die alone everyday, why is that? There is no price tier for success. If my dream is to live off of the grid growing my own food and hanging out with animals all day does that make me mediocre? No! if that was my goal then i am completely successful. Success is internally derived not outwardly measured by your money and career status. If everyone was a lawyer and on-air personality like her, we would starve. Goals don’t have to be monetary or status driven and that’s what everyone is pushing back on. Great she accomplished her version of success, but don’t project your version of success on some one who has a completely different perspective of what success is. Being autonomous to society may be successful to some people. Saying triggering and trolling things to people to stir up controversy and boost ratings may be success to her and mediocre to others. Everything is relative.

[@herbalgods]

Clearly she is mediocre if a millionaire hasn’t grabbed her yet. Plenty of single millionaires out her. Why haven’t they claimed her. Don’t beat up the working class men because you haven’t found your equal. If i was what she was looking for i would avoid her like the plague because she gives off mediocre, arrogant, bratty, entitled, spoiled, scorned single mother raised me, Me against the world energy. Congratulations on your career success, time to work on your character success. Character is kinda dirty or as she says mediocre.

[@marie-francoiset9402]

@@herbalgods she can have her standard for her. that is all.

[@Xxgoattalk]

What’s crazy is Envy always says if my kids want to be a nail tech I want to help them own nail salons so he understands operating at maximum skill level. Everyone was just stuck on “feelings” being hurt

[@EleiaRoddy]

That part!!

[@delynnturner7904]

Exactly. And that's why we will always be at the bottom.

[@GaryE-go1vt]

I used to work as a Steel Fabricator in West Point, MS making $9.50 an hour with a high school education. I am now a Data Scientist with an MBA making almost six times that amount. I think what should have been said: Do what you are passionate about and satisfied with. If you think you are worth more, then go get it. If you are satisfied with "driving a bus" so, be it. Love shouldn't be based on how much money you make; it should be based who that person is. Nothing against Eboni, sometimes words are better spoken inside your head. That comment should have been an inside the head conversation. Words are powerful, and I didn't have someone convince me to want more in my life. I had to want it myself.