Breaking Down: Lysithea - Fire Emblem: Three Houses Unit Analysis

[@Rengor1997]

Jono, I REALLY don't think Lysithea needs any help Breaking Down given her twin crests are doing that job perfectly fine

[@Testbug000]

I think Hubert could find a way. Not that you're a complete copy of Hubert irl. Right

[@shigshaker5831]

Rengor No!

[@TheRashy2]

Bruh

[@rhettmitchell]

How dare you

[@cryguy0000]

Lysithea is a master at "breaking down" things

[@lunanasushistax6692]

Lysithea is absolutely monstrous and the first recruit for me on every run on every difficulty. She's the one who can reliably pull a glock and shoot Death Knight on the first encounter with little set-up. If you don't have her by then, asking her to help will give swarm Z and heal for that chapter to help you sweep both wings with 2 healers on hand. From then on, she can kill aaaaaaanything, especially if you go out of your way to also recruit Lorenz to steal his Thyrsus.

[@OperaQueen85]

Also the point about the Levin Sword was one I hadn’t considered. Since I’ve mainly tried this weapon on Byleth, I found it to be lacklustre and haven’t ever forged it. I didn’t realize it upgrades to 1-3 range.

[@marcoasturias8520]

How is weapon range relevant when every house has a counter battalion?

[@JensenHuangTensorEnthusiast]

@@marcoasturias8520 enemy archers in most maps…

[@MrMarinus18]

The Levin sword also isn't a very good weapon on Byleth since he/she has a very high strength stat and a fairly middling magic stat.

[@harleyhuskey]

Lysithea dual wielding Thyrsus and Thunder brand, honestly unstoppable.

[@skys3383]

does she soul blade with thunder brand? i'm building her that way right now

[@vossboss220]

​@@skys3383 she can soul blade with anything

[@vossboss220]

Mortal Savant Lysithia isn't a meme I swear

[@Bingus1454]

But is she good against the Death Knight?

[@OperaQueen85]

I find it funny how many units benefit from Thief certifications. That’s up there among the leitmotivs of this channel with magical combat arts are really good.

[@JimHamiltonIII]

Tactical nuke incoming! Lysithea is easily one of my favorite characters. I think you're right about the "meta." In the Holy Tomb, I Warped Byleth to axe the Death Knight in one turn, but then restarted the level to proceed "normally." IIRC, (minor spoilers) there's a March Ring. Behind Dorothea (once she obtains Dancer), Lysithea is one my most deployed units. As a side note, there's a YT series called "Failure Emblem" (clever name and clever series), where the channel host develops the character into their worst classes in Maddening (IIRC Lysithea as a Fortress Knight). Intelligently deployed, characters can still beat maps without being killed. It sort of suggests Maddening isn't "maddening" enough (Lysithea included). Anyway, great video as usual. Keep up the excellent work!

[@geoffreybrosnan1186]

Small thing, but worth pointing out only the advanced MAGIC classes get 15 res, not all advanced classes. This is an important distinction since swordmaster is her best class FR FR 💯. Also for anyone unsure, the DLC classes have much worse base stats, Valk only providing 13 base res, and DF a mere 4.

[@PeferG17]

I had her as a valk and it was still pretty busted, the +1 +1 range and then being able to shoot and scoot was amazing.

[@MrMarinus18]

I still think Valkyrie is a good class for her because of the extra range and mobility. With Lysithia's personal skill getting S rank in reason actually is viable and if you stack that with the Thyrus she can reach a range equal to bow knights. Verdent Wind has a lot of fortifications and narrow allays so I find a unit that can deal high magic damage from long range extremely useful.

[@MrCorbinsmith]

I like trickster/flier for lysethia in midgame. Her magic is always high and her spell list is so big that the halfing is negligible. Speed and alert stance make her viable as a bait unit which is a lot of fun even if it might chop into your total murder damage

[@MrCorbinsmith]

Also getting the flier shit is so easy with mastermind. Really the best unit in the game bar none

[@OpheliaDuskElla]

My lysithea got 3 points in defense in a playthrough

[@insidechaos4913]

So what your saying is to ensure she can become a general to get the base stats so i have a unit who can tank and who can use magic.

[@OpheliaDuskElla]

@@insidechaos4913 No she just has 10%growth in defense

[@OpheliaDuskElla]

@@insidechaos4913 So she got more level ups in defense than expected

[@insidechaos4913]

@ophelia dusk yeah her def growth does blow but more as a sorta viable meme build you could run her as a general so she could take one hit and with her natural magic growth still deal decent damage late game. She loses one move and a small amount of damage and the lose of spell usage outside of warp loses is null because she should rarely run out of more then half her spells

[@OpheliaDuskElla]

@@insidechaos4913 She can take up to two hits barely the defense makes so she doesnt get oneshot by anything that has high strengh or snipers because the do like 28 to 32 damage usually my lysithea has 34 hp so she get healed to full with more defense and if is has she may miss a hp point in the endgame she has like 13 defense but that one with the 16 defense points could live a hit from nemesis

[@Nerocrossius]

I think it’s worth noting that she gets a big boost out focusing armor and axe early on for Armored Knight for Base Strength, Defense and eventually Weight -3. She becomes much less fragile and can start doubling a lot of enemies.

[@OperaQueen85]

I also like how the video is broken up into parts so I can easily revisit the master class discussion or whatever part I’m interested in. Thanks

[@OperaQueen85]

Another great video. I’ve used Lysithea a lot but you’ve given me some new ideas such as using Soulblade early on and certifying into Thief. I tried armoured knight once to improve defence but found it it wasn’t worth the investment, given the banes and the fact she has access to tools like thyrsus to engage in combat from a safe range but Soulblade sounds like a fun thing to try. It could also help with her limited spell casts early on perhaps.

[@nonmagicalwitch]

My lysithea had 30 max hp once Ive finished my verdant wind playthrough. I've seriously thought that she just wasnt able to go above 30

[@dennisleonardo2992]

Thank you dearly for not making her video a "how to optimise warp-skipping" tutorial lmao

[@jeremykountz644]

Enemy Units: Who sent all these babies to fight? Lysithea: I AM NOT A CHILD!!! After nuking unit after unit the only surviving enemy says "I fear no man, but that THING. It scares me."

[@x0habiib0x]

Omg I wish I had watched this video years ago! I’ve played at least six routes aaaall magic user teams and Lysithea was always the star of course but I didn’t fully understand the game’s mechanics or even the different uses for each spell. I just looked for the best numbers to hit with. But now that I’m playing Engage, I’m getting a deeper understanding of the game mechanics and now I wanna go back to three houses and see how different it is playing with a better understanding. I’ll learn how to use gambits correctly as well 😬 maybe 🤷🏻‍♂️ prolly. Thank you so much for the guide! It’s great! You’re great!

[@x0habiib0x]

Specifically, your explanation of Luna blew my frixken mind. I had to watch it three times cuz I didn’t grasp the whole “enemy’s resistance +1”. I don’t get why it would *add* the resistance instead of just *not subtract* it from the damage calc. Makes me want to understand even more! Thank you 🤗

[@NepheneeGyattRizz]

​@@x0habiib0x late reply but when it comes to luna i think he just misspoke you can actually think about it as magic damage+1

[@sheeesh2131]

Bro this is going to be fun

[@brainwasher9876]

Grinding to certify armor knight for Lysithea can be amazing. She goes from 4 defense to 12 by level 10, which transforms her from your squishiest unit to your hardest to kill.

[@IcePrincessZeroK]

One of the best aspects of Mastermind is it really means you can customize her to your heart's content. Hell I had her go into pegasus knight temporarily to get darting blow. Which means she doubles a lot with Swarm and even miasma. And monsters getting doubled by seraphim is funny.

[@Silvitewolf]

Deathknight: you are not the one I seek. Lysithia: really? Because I've beat you twice already....DARK SPIKES.... ..... Lysithia: three times.

[@rykyia2414]

LMAO

[@tationotaliaferro8418]

My first play through of Verdant Wind was weird. Lysithia and Marianne both had oddly decent defense the first quarter of the game and Petra was kinda slow. Things went back to normal by the second half of the game.

[@sheeesh2131]

Still one of my fav breakdowns watching it again ngl

[@idkdk569]

i feel like it overrates warp too much, unless you're doing a LTC, bishop for an advanced is so mediocre compared to valkyrie

[@Testbug000]

music changes on topics was cool. at least the one that started "after warp" was cool. Dunno if you did them all or key ones.

[@briankelly1240]

The magic staff giving 2 extra attack range is the life saver for her so she avoids front lines easier.

[@Stachelbeeerchen]

The sugar gremlin herself. Love her stupid magic growth+list

[@MrMarinus18]

22:30 Though Valkyrie is a good final class for her especially if you manage to get her reason to S rank which is possible in the late game. With the Thyrus, the skill ability and the class ability all combined Lysithea is a magical bow knight in terms of her attack range. I don't like to use warp to cheese maps. I usually route every enemy I can even if I don't have to.

[@Matteo_nr1_evermore_stan]

What makes her growths even better (by far one of the best spreads in the game oddly enough) is the way 3 houses treats the students. Having a MINIMUM of 2 stats raised per level, makes her shine. The odds of her not levelling anything except magic, dex or speed is insanely high since her other growths peek at 25%. When she would miss a magic/ Dex/ speed level, she might have only gotten 1 stat on the first roll, the game will reroll for another stat. This effectively gives her double the chance to level magic / speed / Dex. That’s why you see Lysithea level magic so much more often than other units with only 5% - 10% less magic growth, such as Hubert.

[@PinkKoyote]

While i understand your poin of view about her build, i think is better to go toward her damage; going to monk, mage (along fortres knight for the MASSIVE bonuses), then Valkyrie for movement and range and finally gremory and/or dark night. And while youre in this path you can still make good use of warp, so i think is a better approach

[@JonoabboFE]

I would always prioritise warp, her contributions with it far outweigh her damage contributions, but I can see why you would want too. Although I would never go fortress Knight, it just isn't worth the insane investment.

[@PinkKoyote]

I know warp is just that broken, but not like the other warp users she can really excel out of it PD: I thinks is useful go throught it only because makes every unit more useful from chapter 5 to 7 or even 8

[@pallen2645]

I find faith is generally a very useful skill on maddening just because the exp from combat is so stunted, being able to heal someone at random whenever you dont have another action to take helps a lot.

[@hornlessedelgard]

now, to put this knowledge to use

[@linkuriboh471]

I've find it hilarious that Lysithea is the same age as Sonic the Hedgehog, Ichigo Kurosaki, Eren Yeager, and Roy. Most characters in anime, manga, and games are basically child soldiers.

[@alienplatypus7712]

Giving thyrsus to her feels like a mistake when you can make her a trickster. Soulblade's low range barely matters any more, halving warp uses doesn't actually do anything meanwhile you get foul play for more repositioning if warp is overkill. The usefulness of stealth on the most frail unit in the game can't really be overstated either, if you're clever with that skill you can even bodyblock enemies from hitting other squishies, directing them into a EPer.

[@wedorepairs]

Good video good unit yes magic good

[@MrMarinus18]

I never find the magic ammo to be a problem. While dark magic has low ammo Lysithea has a lot of dark magic spells and also several light magic offensive spells too. In my experience if you make sure to not use a spell that's overkill you will last the whole map just fine. This is even more so if you unluck soulblade while can save you several spells if Lysithea can afford to get close. You also have the fact that mage has a free fire magic.

[@SkullTheLegless]

In my second (and current) playthrough in the golden deer, I let Lorenz die despite being in NG+ and having nearly 10 divine pulses because I couldn't be bothered and just didn't care about him. Boy do I regret that decision :,>

[@Azgara7h]

8:34 you say Luna's "effective might is the enemy's Resistance, +1." That's not correct: Luna's might is the spell-caster's Magic stat, +1, ignoring enemy Resistance. This is important, as the way you described would mean that it is stronger against high-Resistance units BECAUSE of the target's high Resistance, while in truth it is strong against those units because their high Resitance is rendered USELESS. This means that Luna should do the same damage to all targets, but is best saved against high-Resistance targets because other spells are already effective against low-Resistance targets. Also, Luna can never be cast twice in a round of combat, not even if the caster has +4 speed over the target.

[@JonoabboFE]

What? Why would you factor the users magic stat in to the might of the spell? Thats like saying "The might of an Iron sword isn't 6, its the users strength + 6". It doesn't make any sense

[@Azgara7h]

@@JonoabboFE I should have said "Luna's damage," not "Luna's might." My point is that damage isn't calculated based on enemy Resistance, because it is ignored, but is only calculated on Lysithea's stats. For example, by saying "effective might is the enemy's Resistance +1," that would mean that the spellcaster's Magic stat wouldn't matter, and therefore Lysithea with her Magic Stat at 11 at Level 1 would do the same damage as when she is Level 40, and her Magic Stat has grown by 60% (or about 24, totaling 35 or so). This means that Luna's damage is tied to Lysethea's massive magic stat, not to the enemy's high (or low) Resistance Stat. By the way, loving these videos, keep it up!

[@JonoabboFE]

​@@Azgara7h But I specificially said "Luna's effective Might", not "Luna's effective Damage". You can't just change what I said. I was specifically talking about hte might *granted* by Luna. Just like Fire's might is 3, Luna's Might is the enemy's resistance +1. It does not imply that the casters magic stat doesn't matter any more than saying "Bolting's might is 12" implies that.

[@Azgara7h]

@@JonoabboFE Ah, I understand where I misheard you: You said "effective might," and I incorrectly took that to mean that it would somehow result in more damage, and I continued to conflate "might" and "damage" in my response. (Please know that this was all good faith! Again, loving the videos, I think I've watched all of the videos in this series in one week). You are literally saying "Luna's effective might is (Enemy Resistance +1)," and then calculating damage from there (so the way you said it in the video is correct). I'm saying that that is a confusing way to think about it (though, yes, you are right, still correct). The way I first heard you saying it made it sound like it would be stronger against a High-Resistance target because the game was doing an overly complicated calculation of "Luna's Might = Target Resistance +1," and what I was trying to say is that the game just removes "Resistance" from the normal damage calculation altogether. Either way gets the same damage results.

[@Azgara7h]

@@cooperm4185 Yes, I think that's why I was confused by the video. This description (Effective Might = Enemy Resistance +1) would STILL INCLUDE CALCULATING RESISTANCE, while the spell is described as "negating Resistance." So your calculation is wrong: "If Luna's Mt was enemy's Res+1, its Mt would be 11, and the total Mt of the attack would be 51 damage, enough to kill." THIS NEEDS TO STILL INCLUDE CALCULATING RESISTANCE, or 10 Res, taking the damage back down to 41 in your example. So, we can describe Luna in two ways: Either it adds Enemy Resistance to Luna's effective Might (and Resistance is still calculated like normal); OR is simply negates enemy Resistance. The game uses the second description, but technically the first still works.

[@songhong5624]

Not sure if great knight gives both armor and ridding experience, but... Rust Axe + great knight + knowledge gem + battalion. She can level axe, armor, riding, authority all at same time to overcome her fragile body

[@theatomicbob9067]

Because you still need to grind those when you hit the master class requirements

[@implying8903]

Great knight only gives armor experience

[@Aurora_FGC]

Warp 👍

[@MrMarinus18]

27:15 If you are trying to take advantage of her sword budding talent and also pushing her speed up you should make her win the dance competition. Not to make her a dancer but to get her the sword avoid +20. If you stack that with sword prowess lv. 5 and during your turn darting blow or duelist blow Lysithea becomes pretty much impossible to hit.

[@JonoabboFE]

This is a massive waste of your dancer, which is always going to be your most powerful unit. You want your dancer dancing.

[@MrMarinus18]

@@JonoabboFE Really? I always thought of my dancer as fairly weak and so usually just used them to feed additional experience to any units that were lagging behind.

[@MrMarinus18]

​@@JonoabboFE Still I think Lysithea is a good dancer. With sword avoid her avoid should become high enough that you don't have to worry too much about archers picking her off. Which is something I do have happen with Dorithea as a dancer as they need to be close to the front lines. Also the dance lessons to boost charm is something she can make great use of. Because of mastermind Lysithea often has the highest level authority in my army. As a dancer her limited spell ammo also doesn't matter nearly as much.

[@MrMarinus18]

@@JonoabboFE Maybe I am a bit biased. In my very first 3H maddening run I had a pretty bad Dorithea dancer who constantly got taken out by archers or assassins. Since then I mostly look towards speed and sword prowess to make sure my dancer is not taken out too easily. (I usually tend to prefer to use casual mode but refrain from using rewind.)

[@JonoabboFE]

@@MrMarinus18 Your dancer is essentially a second use of your best unit on every turn, or any other unit who you wish to dance on. They are by far going to be the best unit in your team.

[@Testbug000]

no one voted for Rhea again... sigh.

[@thoughtfulinsanity3050]

Honestly I think Lysithea is better than Edelgard. She's available in all routes and her primary benefits are active for most of the game rather than just the last 6 chapters (or fewer due to the rarity of agarthium).

[@anthonykarem5332]

This guy failed to mention one of Lysithea's most potent endgame options for offensive mages especially if you consider her spell kit, lack of black magic, need for mobility/canto, and gives her a faire skill for dark magic: Dark Knight. It does require you to work through her lance weakness but only to C and then riding and reason to A. Shouldn't be too hard. I did this during a golden deer maddening run and her class path was Noble - Monk - Mage/Archer (Adjutant for Hit + 20) - Valkyrie - Bishop - Gremory - Dark Knight.

[@PeferG17]

Lysithea is the mage-est, she's a sugar powered nuke. How fast she gets through class XP is silly and she's just a monster the entire game.

[@xander22777]

Personally, I've never been someone who really likes warp partially because even though I know it's good and I know how I can use it to make my life easier, I rather just get units with super high movement because I'm also someone who doesn't like the idea of just warp skipping around and killing bosses removes the entire point of the game, at least for me

[@lightbulb1984]

What is the earliest you can get her to B rank support and do you have tips on how to get there?

[@kunaicat2943]

Probably either chapter 3/4. You can eat with her every exploration and sometimes cook meals with her too. Spam your gifts and ask her for mission assistance. It's important to make sure you activate her support before giving her gifts and stuff because the support points won't stack otherwise.

[@OpheliaDuskElla]

I also skip some maps

[@cryguy0000]

I recently finished my first GD playthrough and I couldn't help myself but warp Claude to Edelgard in the 2nd to last chapter and he wiped her out. It was kinda awesome

[@OpheliaDuskElla]

@@cryguy0000 i have this feeling that in azure moon if i can one shot the boss ill warp the boss killer also in one with a gremory boss idont the remember the name of i stride dance and warp ingrid the fartherst then warp the dancer to dance then kill the boss

[@OpheliaDuskElla]

@Rho yes iknow i rely on criting it with ingrid

[@selfsustainedautocannibalVampi]

I'm a little confused, I thought she had a boon in bow, brawl, ride, and fly in addition to only being neutral in Lance, Ax and that skill that doesn't exist?

[@cooperm4185]

On the off chance this isn't ironic, Mastermind always existed. Jeritza gets it too at E+ Swords for some reason which is nice because he only has like 6 chapters + like 5ish paralogues (and some quest battles) to backtrack for masteries in like Archer and Brigand

[@UniGya]

Hot take: Warp Skipping is a waste of resources unless its the final map. While clearing *every* enemy on a map can be overkill you are missing out on a lot of EXP by warp skipping. Warp is much better used as a tool for positioning

[@strangereligion4373]

Dorothea when?

[@traceyrice4978]

Lysithea may be the best mage in the game, but lorenz is a bit bulkier and has a foot fetish, which makes him s+ tier

[@moonchi_ld]

ayo what

[@TheBrutalizer67]

Hubert is better

[@vossboss220]

Nah

[@derpygoomy4155]

First