Breaking Harken's Expectations

[@brucedickie9394]

More product designers talking about their products, please! Super cool and informative 😁

[@Practice2Perfection]

Yes, please. I understand that this is probably a very special situation, but if you can help it, I would love to see more designersand engineers talk about their products.

[@mos8541]

😴😴😴😴😴

[@scoo73r]

You have to love a company willing to put their products out for non-standard testing. More of this please.

[@johnarinehart]

I just want to thank Rich and Harken for coming to your lab and being so open. It really says a lot about the king of company they are.

[@johnarinehart]

And as always thank you Ryan for being curious, asking all of this questions, it shows how much you look into this stuff, all this super specific stuff that you try to understand

[@unknown-ql1fk]

I am so much more likely to buy stuff from companies with the BALLS to break stuff like this on camera and stand behind their products. Great work guys

[@LeJohnnyBoy]

A thermal camera recording heat during deformation would be interresting to watch ❤

[@maltekoch1632]

Surface treatment of the material depend if you get the temps of the Material or mostly reflections from around.

[@Beakerbite]

Cheap thermal cameras have abysmal framerates. They probably wouldn't capture the action. And high speed thermal cameras are too expensive to be put in harms way.

[@kcgunesq]

I will never need any gear that you make or sell and I'm not even clear how this item would be used. But listening to an experienced engineer explain their craft is always fascinating. Excellent video.

[@thatoneguy454c]

As a technical rescue guy i appreciate thease videos. If you guys started carrying and testing a catalog of technical rescue equipment then I would buy a bunch of stuff from you guys.

[@JheregJAB]

Its a bit of a risk for a company to send an official representative to a show like this, where you know you are purposely going to be destroying their work as best you can. It shows that they really care that the product does what they say it does, and stand behind it. For Mr. Siemer's part, he represented his product and company well. So much cool knowledge in this video. Thank you very much for sharing it with us!

[@jonmoceri]

I didn't know Harken was in the rescue equipment business. So now, along with expensive sailing blocks, I can buy other cool stuff.

[@jadronx]

10/10 more product engineers talking about their products! This was super informative.

[@jallen5263]

I'm a former firefighter and member of the SAR Team. I will be sharing this video with the current Fire Chief and SAR Team Leader.

[@mikelarin8037]

That twisty pin lock mechanism is sexy as hell. 1 year was worth it for the redesign.

[@andrewsnow7386]

Excellent video! It really makes Harken look good when they make a knowledgeable engineer their product available for you to test.

[@Lunzicle]

I’m an ISO9001, 14,27,45,50 and a few others, certified auditor. Just to be clear, having the certificate is not a guarantee of quality. It just means you measure and record everything very well. You can have an ISO14001 certificate (environmental management) for example and still burn tires in a field. As long as you have the paperwork… My advice, take ISO certificates with a grain of salt. (And it’s not that special anymore, many many, small companies have it nowadays. And almost all larger (more than 50 FTE) companies have it in the EU. It’s essentially a license to operate these days.)

[@OKBadBoats]

The certification just says you follow a process extremely closely, is that a good general statement?

[@Zogg1281]

"Hay John, there's this guy on KZbin who managed to break this thing at 114Kn. I'm lowering you down there, what do you think?" John: "🤔"...... "I think we should back it up with a second one" 😁 Seriously, though that was amazing to watch! A compony that just hands over their new product for some KZbinr to break test is pretty awesome to watch, too. I love the bit where he thinks over "OK, this thing is more broken then anything that I've ever seen.... and he wants to do another test?!?!?? OK!" This just bought my faith in Harken for the rest of my life!! I wish that ever company was this willing to let people in and let them see the "numbers" 👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@huttj509]

I suspect another factor is "ok, this is not going to hit mbs on this test, and it's obviously busted, but then there will be KZbin footage of it not hitting mbs, what's the call?" Might seem silly, but I know there's been a few top gear car jokes that people thought were serious evaluations of the vehicle (rigging the test to run the car out of charge to get a shot of them pushing it the rest of the way). It's always something the companies need to consider.

[@CasperEngineering]

What an incredible sales pitch done simply.

[@richardlawrence5548]

That's super good enough 114kn talk about strong enough for a piano taking a wiffer love it

[@VinceW187]

This was awesome. It takes something to come out to a channel like this! Good job Harken. Hope they gave you 100% freedom in the video

[@berryreading4809]

This was an awesome collaboration! Really enjoyed having a company representative there to explain design/manufacturing details during a 3rd party destructive test! I know many major brands would 1000% never be willing to do this! That said I'm hopeful we get to see more of this in person company rep style of video for other brand and product testing! Shout out to Harken and Rich for stepping up and standing behind their product and in front of Ryan's camera, all while their gear gets destroyed by a stranger from youtube! 😆👍

[@10010110101]

No idea why I would need this but I watched the whole thing because you have the right people on the show with the right data to allow the rest of us to make informed decisions

[@JZ909]

Putting your stuff on this channel shows true confidence in the product. I'm not in the market for a big rigging plate, bet seeing the thing broken here gives it a point in my book.

[@Chaos_and_Harmony]

I really love that the product designer walked us through everything, with you as our liaison. That was fan-fucking-tastic!

[@hix420]

Props to Harken! Allowing to show the plate break below MBS (even it is already damaged) gives me the impression that they take marketing less serious then that the tool is doing what it is designed for

[@firecpt]

Really love your rescue content! Keep up the good work.

[@reardencode]

Great video! This makes me want the product even though I have no need for it, so I'd say that was a win-win-win for you, the company, and the viewer.

[@maltekoch1632]

Thanks to Harken for the great presentation. Seems like a cool product.

[@helipilotuh1]

I’m shocked they aren’t more expensive. That pin design is hella elegant.

[@nickford5549]

Solar guy here. Please do roof anchors with different mounting bolts

[@nekoroms]

i would say there is way too many variables for that

[@CharlMarais247]

2:57 I think best is not the right word when it comes to heat treatment. It's choosing the appropriate one for your application

[@patricksawesomeprobarly3331]

Ryan making brand reps nervous is definitely the best part!

[@almerindaromeira8352]

Just for context those 114kN are roughly the same power produced by an F-16 on afterburner...

[@mikelarin8037]

This is the kind of comment that I come sleuthing for. Knowledge I'll never need, but will never forget

[@deadinside8013]

Well or 11.62T of mass under normal earth Gravity. Thats about 2.9 african elephants, or a little more than 1 hubble space telescope for the US Folk.

[@mjp121]

@@deadinside8013I appreciate you translating to localized units

[@Hydrazine1000]

At some point in its service life that would have been correct (for the F110-GE-100 turbofan engine) but the current Block 60 F-16s with the F110-GE-132 have a max. thrust of 32500 lbf or 145 kN.

[@almerindaromeira8352]

@@Hydrazine1000 although that's true you have to consider that most countries are not using block 60 and even in the US is not guaranteed that your local squadron operates one. There are several variants in use, the number of engines made for this aircraft is extensive. This is supposed to give some context.

[@mccslawg]

What a great video. It was super cool having the product manager their to review and explain the details of the product

[@evangatehouse5650]

Love Harken sailing gear and so nice to see them in this area as well. Great company

[@dgoodman1484]

Don’t really know the best uses of that plate but that locking mechanism seems genius and I’m sure could be used for multiple different applications. Cool! 👍🏼👍🏼

[@NotEnoughKit]

A blacksmith trick you can find videos of is them repeatedly hammering mild steel until it heats up enough to start the fire for their forge. With a small rod just hammering it and rolling it so it doesn't fully flatten out, it will get hot enough to catch newspaper on fire in under 30 seconds.

[@DaftyBoi412]

This was a very informative vid! Wish more companies would take lines/stances like this and be so open to deep discussions about their products stengths and especially weaknesses!

[@scruguru]

Dang… I just love to watch, and learn, from (in this case two) consummate professionals. I have no immediate use for this rigging plate, but it is so cool, I want to buy one just to have as a ‘fidget device’. Just a thought… the “test” done at 21:15 may have generated enough heat as to change tensile strength of the 6061-T6 (reheating like this can reduce the temperature.) Keep up the good work.

[@jason.b896]

Love Harken gear. Been using it all of my life. Great to see them on this chanel.

[@ryanburbridge]

That was awesome. Never going to even see one in real life but i like watching stuff break and like manufactures that show up to explain a product

[@DarkSoulBaja]

You need to get together with the High Speed Camera guys, seeing these fail at 150k frames per/sec would be wild.

[@MrIanrocks]

Super informative, and props to Harkin for showing up!

[@TheEudaemonicPlague]

I have no reason to be interested in climbing gear--I have to use a rollator to walk. But I'm finding this stuff fascinating, and I'm happy people are continuing to improve the gear. I'm sure it'll save some lives. I've only recently come to understand that it isn't just steel that can be tempered...I ought to have learned that decades ago. Well, keep up the good work!

[@FragCool]

Have you tried climbing already? If not give it a try! The great thing about climbing is, everybody can have fun climbing below his limits or on your limits, or try something that is a little bit over your limit. 99.9999% will never be able to even grasp how hard 9c is. But still we can give our best on 5c or 4a ;)

[@daltonsband]

As a guy who was trained on and proficient with using the Rescue 8 as our collection points, why have we reinvented the wheel with collection plates? That said, dudes brave to walk his baby to the executioner of equipment and watch the mayhem ensue.

[@mountainmandoug]

If you put clip to clutches into a rescue 8 they will end up jammed in a weird configuration and you cannot "double clutch." This devide was invented for ergonomics.

[@canoepick1140]

This one was great getting the inside scoop. I’d love to see some use cases for this and other gear.

[@Reoddadai]

Wait, so my polydaktylie brass knuckle doubles also as climbing gear? Sweet stuff man!

[@Joe___R]

I would say that plate is well beyond super good enough.

[@stevephillips8719]

Fantastic to see total confidence in a product. Can you see the Chinese manufacturers doing it?

[@PatrikLivermore]

Awesome testing togeather with the very professional (and humble) manufacturer! This is how every probuct launch should be conducted. I have 100% trust and respect for this company now. "Yeah we try to save weight, but that doesn't really weaken it stil breaking at over 100kN" best quote from the test =)

[@BenButler1]

This was a good one. Lots of info here!

[@SailingAquamarine]

Really interesting stuff, I never knew Harken did 'climbing' stuff!

[@stonedog03]

Super cool and informative video!

[@christophertstone]

Amazing video! Amazing product too

[@Acollyt]

Super cool to see more rescue stuff stressed. When you have these incredibly knowledgable people with you, please let them speak though.

[@phlanxsmurf]

Really great watch. Thanks.

[@mbur5099]

Excellent video! Thank you. I don’t think I’ll ever buy one, but I might watch this video again… Also, I love the snarky comment about KZbin engineers 😂

[@topselftuning]

one of your best and informative video's. - thank you

[@cajunspecial238]

Running twin tension systems off this plate makes a world of difference. This is the Rolls Royce of anchor plates

[@gregcooper7894]

Fascinating video. Learned a lot there

[@jackryan148]

So are you saying if I have already ripped off over half of my rigging plate, then I shouldn't use it?

[@connorm5234]

I want more videos like this!

[@Beef4Dinner22]

Speaking of material heating when compressed, there is actually a method by which you can light a forge using a cold piece of steel and just hammering it repeatedly against an anvil till it gets hot enough to ignite something, usually paper. Here is a video demonstration. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fna4oqWKfbqoarc

[@ClimbingEasy]

Mr Jenks, sir, have you thought about putting a screen door or plexiglass door on roof tracks for a catch net to prevent gear going to see its makers maker?

[@lewisrichards6572]

Absolutely Awesome!

[@justindawson3428]

I can not see myself needing one but that was very interesting.

[@mystishio]

Will probably never have any use for the knowledge in this video, but it is super interesting and I feel a litt better about the gear I use when climbing. 🙃

[@karlmckinnell2635]

Well that was fun 😊

[@nadelcnu]

Excellent video

[@johnhunt2390]

6061-T6: Has a yield strength of around 276 MPa (40,000 psi) 7075-T6 aluminum alloy is at least 63,000-69,000 psi (434-476 MPa) Changing the alloy would give 50% more strength with little increase in cost.

[@Hydrazine1000]

7075 is about 25%, give or take some, more expensive. But the biggest issue is the tensile property "elongation untill break" (A%), or "stretch before failure". Sure, 7075-T6 has the higher yield strength, but 6061-T6 has a much higher stretch before breaking. For this application, where you need to be able to see that you're pushing the limit, 7075-T6 isn't necessarily the best choice. 6061-T6 will provide an earlier warning for critical overload.

[@goldrivers598]

That's a super smart title lol. thanks for the video

[@orion72007]

I watched the reslinging cams episode and was wondering about the viability of the dinema loops from the sailing video

[@ransbikes3413]

Good stuff!

[@CreativeNameChosen]

Do you plan on testing/ selling the singing rock red block?

[@patrickbegley7446]

Just curious, why do you default to breaking things rather than testing to yield? It would be interesting to see what forces start to deform our gear

[@crawford323]

If you are interested in the molecular level of when and how things come apart, read Mark Everhart's book, Why Things Break: Understanding the World by the way it comes apart. He was the first person to be awarded a PHD on this topic. It is a great and entertaining read, not at all, surprisingly, boring science. I have read it several times and I expect I will read it again someday soon. It's that good.

[@TijmenHatesads]

In my understanding redundancy is something that goes as far as you can influence. Two shitty placements connected correctly will be redundant but still unsafe. This plate for me would be redundant if it's double connected to a secure part of a building, but I wouldn't consider it redundant if both connections go to the same crack that I don't trust, I'd look for a backup somewhere else. I say this before watching the video and further, if that matters.

[@apexvoice1952]

0:01 Skip the Yap, break test goto 16:47

[@russellmoore8187]

Rich looks more like Tony Hawk than most people do

[@kiefmanning7394]

I probably wouldn’t use it or rack it but I still want one.

[@seansoria2522]

Can you explain why there is so many connection points?

[@CharlMarais247]

23:06 like a proud father

[@vsiift9373]

Hello HowNot2

[@lukemalm9190]

WAIT! Its an extrusion? What direction? Then they machined the paw shape?

[@thesickhorseranch]

@3:39 The reason China can produce cheap forgings (cheap not meaning junk) is that we've made it ridiculously expensive to do here. It's ok to have China pollute their air because that pollution obviously never crosses the Chinese border. I started down this rabbit hole ages ago while trying to find American made golf clubs. Turns out we can't forge the heads here. Some Superpower we've become. I give Harken credit for doing what they can to make it here.👍🏻

[@dannymoneywell]

You didn't make forging expensive, it IS expensive, the abnormal market is the Chinese one, ridiculously cheap labor, almost no environmental regulations, etc.

[@corbinvandeventer6541]

Yay for long video

[@nedmacallen]

Aluminum knuckles for the hulk.

[@ImpactWench]

"It's unlikely for an anchor to fail" IDK, basically *100%* of the anchors I've ever seen used have failed. I only watch youtube tho so ymmv 🤣

[@joehopfield]

Daaammnn, thats a lot of Knewtons!

[@ISOSAILING]

didn't know harken makes stuff like this i just know them from sailing awesome vidieo, with the heat thing when you rip it apart is basicly how blacksmiths use to light there forge, get a thin bit off metal and hammer it, basicaly cold forge it and you can get it hot enough to light a fire!! easyer said than done though i just burnt my finger haha it's a lot easyer using a lighter!!

[@Sef_Era]

I’m hearing a lot of “I don’t want to tell you that”, said very eloquently. Not that that’s a mark against them; it’s just good PR training at work. Though, I always wonder (as a non-climber) why you don’t just use soft shackles for everything, if they hold up like this.

[@NanashiGoshujin]

awesome

[@Ggddsdddhhhhy6fv]

Cool brass knuckles

[@Name-ot3xw]

I'm just gonna say, the lack of standardization in standards infuriates me sometimes. Example from the car audio world. A 200W Rockford Fosgate amp will out perform most bargain 1,000W amps out there.

[@TheDanielscarroll]

Solid.

[@anonymous-tn6ij]

It’s aluminum and the pins like too tiny. I’m not surprised that thing stretched.

[@cheyannei5983]

So... I guess this is what to use if I wanted to take a whipper in my Hyundai?

[@kensmith8832]

The extrusion needs to be defined better. I can see the product in a 5 hollow design, which would reduce the machining. Your idea of the extrusion would require all the holes to machined, which would drive the price beyond billet material. I know some engineers consider extrusions as billet, but they are uneducated in this department. Aluminum alloys that are common in extrusions are 6063, 6061, 7105, 7075. 2024 is a real aircraft alloy, but it isn't used in the extrusions. I would never risk my life with a product made from 6063. 6061 is on the border of safe. I was an extrusion die repairman during the 1980's, basically a tool & die machinist with training in H13 tool steel.

[@dillonmarshall6489]

So here’s a weird question… me and all my friends have been having an argument about how much force it would take to pop your noggin off your shoulders. If only there was someone who could test this on a dummy for us. :)

[@jessefertitta7784]

should pick up a name like the bear knuckles, cause it looks like brass knuckles for a grizzly

[@justachipofftheiceberg6313]

That looks like it's made for pushing things at high speeds instead of pulling things at low speeds...

[@elooney85]

Just looks like aluminum knuckles for Andre the Giant.