Brent Watches The Very Long Night of Londo Mollari - Babylon 5 For the First Time | 05x02 | Reaction

[@ericheckathorn1442]

The problem with asking “will you forgive me?” is that it then puts the burden on the injured party. You apologize because you owe it to the injured party. Forgiveness is for them to decide to give… or not.

[@Babylon5FortheFirstTime]

Correct. They can always make the decision to not forgive. That is their right. To that person, I would say that holding on to unforgiveness is like poison to the soul. I once heard someone actually describe it as drinking poison and hoping the other person dies. I find that to be fairly accurate.

[@sdfried4877]

@@Babylon5FortheFirstTime I referenced this in another post but Delenn actually did this to G’Kar, asking if he would one day forgive her, prompting his response “Perhaps but not today”. I thought she was way out of line to make it about her at that point.

[@Nikioko]

Correct. You apologize, but you don't beg for pardon. It is up to the other person whether you are pardoned or not. Don't put pressure on him.

[@brentallenlive]

@@NikiokoI respectfully, but fundamentally disagree with this. I’d elaborate more here, but we go into it on the episode this week, so I won’t rehash it here right now.

[@brentallenlive]

@@sdfried4877disagree. I don’t think it was about Delenn in that moment. It was her trying to right her relationship with G’kar that has been broken, even if he didn’t realize it. It wasn’t about her, it was about both of them.

[@SuperDave1426]

The term "stat" is derived from the Latin word “statim,” which means “instantly” or “immediately.” In other words, "do it NOW." And sure, they use the term in medical shows, because medical personnel use the term in real life in emergency situations, indicating that a particular task must be completed without delay. Tell a medical team that you need something "stat," and they immediately know what it means. Londo had just collapsed. So yeah, Zack using the word "stat" there was 100% appropriate - and accurate.

[@chrisfraser5088]

Genuinely one of my favourite episodes. “I sorry…” 😢 It gets me every time!

[@rfletch62]

"You said nothing." I think we're all damned a bit by that.

[@togarnis8096]

The Centauri have the right to defend themselves.

[@Klaital1]

You didn't get to see Emperor Londo in this episode, but at least you got to see Emperor G'Kar!

[@stuartwald2395]

For Londo, to "turn around" is not just to face G'kar, but also to repent his sins; the linguistic root of the word for "repentence" means to physically turn around, to change course.

[@simongiles9749]

I'm afraid that my brain always leaps to Total Eclipse of the Heart upon hearing that phrase, though.

[@brentallenlive]

Truth

[@simonoleary9264]

Sheridan: "20 years, 50 years, 100 years, it doesn't matter! What matters is what you do with the seconds!" Is Londo now caught between tick and tock?

[@Ower8x]

Yes but unlike with Lorien he does not have all the time in the world ... his clock is quickly nearing its end

[@kevinfrank5527]

With Sheridan now taking the role of Lorien.

[@sharkdentures3247]

"is he a Jedi?" No Brent. He is the Entil'Za. Personally, I liked the use of dream symbolism JMS puts in these scenes. I especially liked Sheridan's constant wardrobe changes. (until he evolves into one of those hyper advanced humans from Deconstruction of Falling Stars) But (I believe) Londo remains static/ stagnant in his one outfit. (Showing that he isn't "advancing" at all in life.)

[@sdfried4877]

SPOILER Sheridan’s transformations encapsulate his life and death, although he never does get to wear a Minbari funeral robe.

[@lionofhighpark]

After months of Brent calling for the redemption of Londo Mollari, now we can say .. 'and so it begins'.

[@brentallenlive]

Months? Feels like years

[@hornorsilk2901]

I do like how the title sort of looks back to earlier episodes, giving a hint of what is to come if you ponder it

[@saintsfanatik]

"This is getting very deep"--that scene with Londo and Sheridan almost seemed like a shout out to the scenes with Bowman and Floyd from 2010 the year we make contact.

[@Nikioko]

Redemption of Londo Mollari.

[@fjvmunsterman]

I saw a brivari bottle replica online, i also found a recipe online for brivary made from a mix of several different existing alcohol beverages.

[@LordSplendid]

I love this episode. It really have something fundamental to say and have had an impact on who I became.

[@Babylon5FortheFirstTime]

That’s fantastic. If you care to share, please email us and let us know more. [e-mail]

[@MiLikesVids]

Dukhat had a respectable beard and mustache. Also, Shakiri, the Minbari that Delenn challenged with the Starfire Wheel. But facial hair is rare to see with Minbari.

[@simongiles9749]

There's fan speculation that it indicates descent from Valen.

[@halvpoe]

Draal also had a beard (usually referred to as a chin strap in style) before going in the great machine.

[@Ruosteinenknight]

Interestingly enough one of the second season episodes had a dream sequence like this involving G'kar, where he went a healing coma fight off an illness and experienced Babylon 5 in very strange role reversal: unfilmed episode "Dream within a dream" involved G'kar becoming earth alliance captain Jack Carr in charge of babylon 5 with Cmdr. captain Dylan (Delenn played Mira Furlan without make up) and security chief Lem (played by Peter Jurasik, also without makeup). He also had to mediate between Minbari Ambassador Sherrdin, Narn Ambassador S'san and Centauri Ambassador Garabaldo, to navigate this dream world. Only constant was Kosh, who stayed the same. This episode also takes it's name from unfilmed second season episode "The very long night of Susan Ivanova", which would've involved Ivanova told to take time off.

[@simongiles9749]

Oof. I'm glad they didn't do that. It's a concept that'd work on Farscape, but doesn't feel very B5.

[@MatthewStephensAU]

Marcus did what Lennier couldn't. A gesture of undying love. The Rangers are part warriors part Monk. A religious caste joining the warrior elite? It makes him closer to Sheridan and Neroon.

[@wanderingthedesert5599]

Out of the TWO S5 episodes you've seen, this is my favorite! Londo-focused episodes are just sooooo good.

[@Notric]

Some great Londo and G'Kar scenes here. Some redemption for him, yes. 65 for Life!

[@Belbecat]

Oh boy I can't wait for the upcoming discussion episode!

[@chrism7395]

3:25 After the show ended, WB auctioned all the props, a bottle of Bravarii went for 811USD

[@Babylon5FortheFirstTime]

I’d have paid $812

[@stuartwald2395]

@@Babylon5FortheFirstTime There is a recording on KZbin of Peter Jurasik and Stephen Furst at a convention (it may have been their last together before Furst's death) talking about the props and for how much they were auctioned off (as opposed to what Jurasik could take as a souvenir).

[@saintsfanatik]

I believe that the label was just made up and put over a bottle of some commonly available liquor. Kind of looked like crown Royal or the like.​@@Babylon5FortheFirstTime

[@Muck006]

Can't wait for episode 8 ...

[@rodentnolastname6612]

At least 1 prop bottle of Bavari went up for auction after the show completed so there is one out there in the world

[@sdfried4877]

This is one of my favorite episodes of Season 5 but only because it’s laced with Babylon 5 nostalgia from better days. It’s a fun concept episode reviewing the highlights of Londo and G’Kar’s troubled history and providing some closure. Unfortunately, it’s back to Season 5 plot threads next week.

[@brentallenlive]

Thanks for keeping to the no spoilers rule there. :-)

[@sdfried4877]

@@brentallenlive I’m sorry to have disappointed you if you thought Season 5 wasn’t coming back. My point was that this episode was a bit of a pallet cleanser. Finishing up some old business before trudging on. I have no idea where the spoilers are.

[@buddyhoss]

Finally! You been saying it for years, but it's finally time for the Redemption of Londo Mollari!

[@Babylon5FortheFirstTime]

Yes!

[@cyberneticbutterfly8506]

I have very mixed feelings about redemption of someone who caused mass murder at that scale. In real life it'd be a lot harder to be charitable to the same thing than to a fictional character. I suppose part of it is that in fiction you 'know' that it's a true redemption. In real life you can stay suspicious.

[@Babylon5FortheFirstTime]

Saying it is easy. Putting it to practice in real life is hard.

[@kant12]

Saying sorry is a big step but that's also as far as it can go. There's no forgiveness for what he did. Even asking for it would be kinda disgusting.

[@Belbecat]

Oh yeah, not to mention that it's not G'kars forgiveness he needs the most. Dead, dead, dead!

[@Babylon5FortheFirstTime]

Forgiveness is always an option. It’s always on the table. Whether or not it is being withheld is a different story.

[@davidgill7412]

​@@Babylon5FortheFirstTime There is forgiveness, even for the most despicable of souls. You are right about sorry not being enough but it is the first step. The second is asking for forgiveness. I'm thankful for serving a loving God. The reason I can forgive others so easily is because I know myself and the many mistakes and sins I've done. We're only human, but we aspire to be more like the one who set the example Jesus. This episode really spoke to me and is probably one of my favorites in the entire show.

[@simongiles9749]

Brother Theo would disagree with you. "Is there enough forgiveness for what I've done?" "Always, Edward. Always"

[@kant12]

@@davidgill7412 The dead can't forgive and god can't forgive you on their behalf. Somethings you just have to live with.

[@praiha]

I haven't watched the series in a while, but the way I remembered it was that the first half of season 5 being "bad" and the second half "good", but now the first two episodes have been pretty good. This one especially.

[@praiha]

​@@calhackit9806I don't know, season 1 is still pretty great, even if there are some weaker eps. There is one character that I really disliked on S5, and the story lines following that character were enough to make this the worst season for me.

[@tjtenser7828]

@@calhackit9806 Season 1 is great.

[@BabylonLurker]

Great scenes with Londo and G'Kar, and also Londo/Delenn. I love this episode. You said Nothing! 65! Be seeing you!

[@Karthos1000]

It's gonna be a LONG episode this week.

[@Nikioko]

Old Dral had facial hair.

[@Psi105]

Definitely a very important episode, not in my top 20 though.

[@Babylon5FortheFirstTime]

Ooof. We each have our own rankings. This one could easily be a Top 5 for me. But it also speaks to something so fundamental to me personally. -Brent

[@tysondempsey1121]

You told me to comment no spoilers, so, NO SPOILERS!!

[@Babylon5FortheFirstTime]

Thank you

[@charlesmaurer6214]

Love when they are so far off.

[@Klaital1]

To be fair, Jeff was not that far off in his predictions.

[@charlesmaurer6214]

Not much to clue them in on it so it is not that pridictible. But he is right that it is a JMS style thing to do a life or death episode for someone to chose life and change. G'kar, Michael, Franklin, Sheridan, Susan and others all had such a death and rebirth moment. Even Lanier had such a moment but it focused on others.

[@Babylon5FortheFirstTime]

We were just talking about a post B5FTFT episode where we discuss the episodes in which each character has their change

[@inhumanmusic1411]

What? No reaction on seeing Londo's...attributes...?

[@Babylon5FortheFirstTime]

It’s on the unedited cut

[@sdfried4877]

@@Babylon5FortheFirstTime The unrated full frontal cut.

[@jackalsclaw]

Wow I'm first, Love your KZbin videos, please read the bester books for a first ever review.

[@charlesmaurer6214]

They need to do at least the movies first. Would be ok pre the Crusade Season though.

[@SSGranor]

Brent: _Sees a Minbari with facial hair for at least the fifth time, at least two others of which he commented on at the time._ Also Brent: "Is this the first time we've seen a Minbari with facial hair?"

[@Babylon5FortheFirstTime]

Also Brent : Names a time when he has seen one with facial hair. Shrugs it off and moves on