Bret Weinstein's DarkHorse Podcast - Black Intellectual Roundtable

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00:00 Introductions 02:35 Bret Weinstein’s take on the current situation, referencing longstanding political corruption leading to certain populations being frozen out of markets. 05:20 Glenn Loury starts by denying that there is an epidemic of black men being killed by police. 06:41 John Wood starts with some optimism, stating there is a lot of opportunity during these times and that we can “break through to something better.” 08:40 Coleman Hughes starts by asserting that policing is a difficult job and is an American problem due to gun ownership rates. 11:36 Thomas Chatterton Williams disagrees with Coleman, who does not support reparations. Thomas then discusses how violent the police are against all people. 13:45 John McWhorter starts by discussing the “anti-racism” movement and how they don’t know how Orwellian their movement is. 17:07 Chloé Valdary starts by discussing the crisis of meaning brought on by spiritual malnourishment that has been extenuated by isolation, both physical and due to the modern environment. 20:06 Kmele Foster starts by broadly agreeing and emphasizes the danger we’re in regarding the pandemic and looming economic crisis. 22:37 Bret believes race is central but a distraction. He then discusses the absence of leaders who are now relegated to “influencers”. 25:43 Glenn suggests 3 topics: welfare, affirmative action, crime. “Reparations is a terrible idea”. “Affirmative action is a fraud”. “African American communities: violent, criminal behavior”. 28:02 Bret’s hypothesis that economic disparity is the root cause. 28:36 Glenn counters. 28:53 Black and Native Americans’ origin story is unique, freezing them out of opportunity. 30:11 John M discusses black culture changing in the 1960-70s as a cause of the violence in these communities. 32:17 John W discusses a range of causes impacting black communities since the 1960s that led to this “self destructive” behavior. 39:17 Bret on “personal responsibility vs. system causes”. Then the evolutionary link from mass incarceration -> males outside prison have more mating opportunities -> fatherless children -> less adult guidance on restraining violent impulses of the children -> violent behavior and incarceration 41:48 Coleman on homicide rates in young black men and how to fix crime disparities, referencing Steven Pinker’s “Better Angels of Our Nature”. 46:04 John W on supporting reparations. 47:54 Chloé on supporting reparations. She then discusses mass incarcerations and the psychological healing required. 50:53 Thomas interjects, referencing Charles Murray’s “Coming Apart” and poverty in white communities. 51:57 Glenn counters reparations because he doesn’t want to commodify the harm done. 52:57 Chloé disagrees, referencing Japanese Americans’ internment during WW2. 53:30 Kmele interjects, stating the two cases are “fundamentally different”. He then discusses black cultural vs. system issues. 56:10 John W on reparations and the need to understand the interaction between 3 things: how white attitudes changed, relationship between systems and culture, and relationship between culture and success in black America. 01:00:08 Kmele counters by wanting to address certain pathologies that exist in all groups and wants to shift the conversation away from race being the defining characteristic to explain these pathologies. 01:01:56 Bret on reparations: “Is a remedy justified? Are reparations the correct remedy?” Then he discusses why opportunity is being hoarded. 01:03:38 Chloé questions what “whiteness” is, and what areas of scarcity we can rectify. 01:04:58 Bret on “artificial bad luck” and the lack of opportunity for certain communities. 01:06:11 Glenn on inequality of opportunity and indicting successful groups. 01:07:08 Bret says the villains are rent seekers who may not even be aware they’re doing it. 01:08:26 John M on the “noble victim complex” and Nikole Hannah Jones’ reaction after reparations. 01:11:00 Chloé on Ta-Nehesi Coates and other black influencers having nuanced conversations. 01:12:52 John W agrees with Bret about “opportunity hoarding” and believes Americans have become less racist over time. However, systemic problems still exist. 01:15:27 Glenn recommends Rogers Brubaker’s “Ethnicity without Groups”. The universities and the press are critical. 01:17:11 Bret on getting it intellectually right. 01:18:09 Coleman is not convinced by Bret’s “opportunity hoarding” and “artificial scarcity” hypothesis. 01:18:33 Bret counters by discussing lineage vs. reciprocity-led societies. 01:21:18 Coleman is looking for evidence that race relations are an economic issue. 01:22:11 Bret looks to the Jewish Diaspora for comparison. He discusses how robbing one population can simulate growth to the robbers. 01:24:17 Coleman counters with poll saying that “70% of black Americans think they are doing better than their parents”. He believes the real issue isn’t economic; it’s founded on ideas being supplied by social media and coverage bias. 01:25:08 John M counters Bret by asking him why every summer, black boys start killing each other. 01:26:12 Bret responds by saying his hypothesis is in the ball park, and that it can’t be solved in less than a generation. People need to see they can succeed by being personally responsible. 01:27:19 Kmele: “Is there not a sufficient meritocratic system in place?" and a concern with the idea of engineering societies to create better societal outcomes, due to our failure to understand the complexity. 01:29:11 Bret on Conservatives’ “personal responsibility” vs. Liberals’ “system solutions”. Individual advice should focus on personal responsibility. But bad luck is non-randomly distributed across groups based on race and zip code and it’s unacceptable. 01:31:15 Chloé asks "What is the piece of legislation that is going to effectively change bad luck?" 01:31:44 Bret’s culture story on a subway in Harlem, and the need for massive investment in these communities. 01:33:37 Thomas on problem of discussing class in terms of race. "We have to find a language that doesn't allude the problem by this kind of hocus pocus talk of race" 01:34:20 Bret counters. 01:34:41 Glenn "[These problems] are not intrinsically racial, but they are, in their manifestation, de facto often racial" 01:35:04 John M "If the culture is such that school is seen as alien, the problem is not solved [by money]" 01:35:59 Bret thinks we need to re-envisage what school looks like. 01:36:25 Kmele on the culture of schools and his belief that it’s hard to build a great school. You need greater competition, greater choice, and an environment for innovation. “It's the practical mantras, it's the simple slogans” that will solve the broader issues. 01:40:05 Bret "I'm concerned we're about to un-invent America" 01:40:29 Glenn on the public discourse contrast between policing and education. "The failure of conventional public educational services being provided to black people" 01:42:05 Bret on the corruption of the two major parties and the potential partnering of the democrats with the anti-racists. 01:43:30 Thomas: “It’s more complicated than white vs. black” 01:43:43 Bret: “It’s a catastrophe unfolding in slow motion” 01:44:45 Kmele: “I don’t know that most people have a good sense of what works and what’s likely to yield the best outcomes” 01:46:13 Bret says we must eliminate the corruption because it’s causing the problem. 01:47:30 Chloé disagrees that the corruption is top-down. 01:48:09 John W on Dr King challenging the narratives of all sides. 01:49:04 Thomas on Americans living extraordinary, segregated lives and needing material transfer to heal the divisions. 01:49:35 Coleman believes the root causes of the problems are hopelessly self generated and it is about people’s perception and beliefs. 01:51:00 Bret on root cause or failure mode. 01:51:40 Glenn agrees with Coleman that people have the wrong ideas. 01:52:35 John M agrees as well. "This question is not primarily about resources..." 01:53:41 Bret describes the power of “Shut Down STEM” and wraps up by admonishing the group to "Restore our ability to think without conflicts of interest" 01:55:21 Kmele on leaderless political movements being a danger. 01:56:10 Bret on how neither Biden nor Trump have the answer and the need for Unity2020. Special thanks to "Q Hns" on KZbin for the initial timestamps. Please subscribe to the official clips channel for bitesized chunks of your favorite moments from DarkHorse Podcasts.

[@kham6006]

Glenn loury stole the show ,, you should do this again now ,, things are getting very scary in this country with our woke White House

[@crhu319]

All Canadians know 1619 narrative is more true than false, and that greedy genocide of natives and a vile colonial religion based on inferiority of "sons of Ham", was the real reason. What's more it was known then when the majority of non white persons even in the Northern states, moved north to escape the innate white supremacy of 1776. The 1772 Somerset v Stewart ruling reiterated this fact and declared that slavery had not existed in England since the Anglo Saxons and Norsemen, i.e. never in England or Wales since the Manga Carta. This was absolutely threatening to the South and they made common cause with Northerners chafing to move west and slaughter natives in the Ohio valley. This was the demonic deal that created USA and in 1860-61 the South rightly claimed they had a right to continue slavery. Every claim to the contrary was bogus especially the retconned history of 1865-75 by which the legally seceding South was guilty of "treason" but the secession wasn't caused by slavery and the war wasn't about slavery. Whose narrative is that?

[@mikeslemonade]

Great I get to listen and watch smart people. Not dumb Democrats 🤣

[@mikeslemonade]

@@crhu319 so what.. there was murd3er and genocide3 all over. Why exaggerate today to cause animosity between races? How about focusing on learning English, math, science, technology and being good people. Let’s move forward. And I also “mostly true” and critical theory shouldn’t be in school. It has to be almost all true or true.

[@audrey-zd5dm]

Thanks

[@daxx77m]

Why can't we see people like this in mainstream media? Talking SERIOUSLY about serious issues. It's frustrating beyond belief.

[@Halman2112]

The mainstream media doesn’t care about solving real problems, only how to cash in on them.

[@eric45]

there not interested in having a conversation that brings people together, rather devide as it makes rulling ove the plebs easier

[@UnknownUnknown-bx2lc]

This is mainstream. anyone who calls CNN and that trash mainstream is insane and the numbers don't support it

[@Crunkz21]

Because it doesnt provide the headlines the dying mainstream media needs, to stay above water in times where they're getting less and less relevant, when you compare them to the internet. Sadly.

[@parrmik]

Mainstream media is like pop music , its getting so bad , that people will eventually tune out.

[@michaela.2847]

This is why I love the internet as an alternative to mainstream media. Everyone gets to speak.

[@UnknownUnknown-bx2lc]

how old are you? must be over 40? this is mainstream media... look at the numbers. you're maybe talking traditional media, but this is mainstream, has been for a long time. stats don't lie.

[@reedjack6564]

Absolutely nothing mainstream can ever get close to this level of intellectual excellence.

[@girumzemichael704]

Tell me about it!

[@mattmarkus4868]

Any everyone is saying things that are not heard on the dominate channels. _Actual_ diversity.

[@michaela.2847]

@Janusha Everyone gets to speak and put their ideas on the table for debate/discussion. Good ideas, bad ideas, liberal, conservative, everything.

[@likkleadri]

Watching this with tears in my eyes as a "black" person who is constantly silently wishing that I could hear some balanced, "REAL" SOLUTION FOCUSED discussion about these issues. And to have it modeled in this way... my God, there's still hope. They need to do this regularly.

[@Razaiel]

Don't expect the MSM to do that. Thoughtful, nuanced discussion doesn't fit the format of cable news.

[@xavierryan4602]

Im crying, too. Today, particularly, I needed this.

[@Kaddywompous]

Wish I could give more than one thumbs up. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

[@NoThankYouToo]

You need to speak up. Loudly.

[@wiseonwords]

It would be nice to see gatherings by well-informed and intelligent people of goodwill like this. But I'd much prefer it of such discussions did not take place under the auspices of bloody Bret Weinstein, a chap most famous for being kicked out of the SJW progressives club.

[@molicia11]

Can we get a 2021 re-visit of this round table to see how, if at all, anyone’s thoughts have changed or progressed??

[@KudiGamer]

jup, that would be great, but maybe a few less speakers?

[@bensonthepuppy]

Repeat of all the guests for sure if even possible. That conversation expanded outward and inward in so many ways, at so many turns, each mind and voice joining in- Americans are starving for these conversations. Please. We are picking up the pace towards America unraveling everyday now.

[@timothyotero9941]

That was my first thought after watching it too. It would be great to hear everyone’s opinion on how everything has evolved and where we currently stand as a society.

[@PS-qn4oz]

I would love to know more of their thoughts on the education system and to get their opinions on how much could be achieved by federalized, standardized education such as they have in Finland. Taxpayer-funded higher education could also have a tremendous impact on race relations, by removing financial barriers to those opportunities. Also in my mind "reparations" could be in the form of public boarding schools, optional for children in dangerous neighborhoods.

[@ChristinaChrisR]

Yes PLEASE and thank you.

[@bebopj]

Books mentioned in this video: Steven Pinker - The Better Angels of Our Nature John McWhorter - Losing the Race Thomas Chatterton Williams - Losing My Cool William “Sandy” Darity - From Here to Equality Charles Murray - Coming Apart Rogers Brubaker - Ethnicity Without Groups J. D. Vance - Hillybilly Elegy

[@JohnCarterAudio]

Coleman also mentioned Thomas Sowell book

[@GumbyTheGreen1]

*Hillbilly

[@zenobardot]

@@GumbyTheGreen1 Hillybilly does have a nice jauntiness, however.

[@carolynbrightfield8911]

Chloe Valdary -Theory of Enchantment Rogers Brubaker - Ethnicity Without Groups (described as a must read by Glenn Lowry ) J.D.Vance - Hillbilly Elegy

[@brianfinnegan664]

GRRM- Winds of Winter

[@AaronDaley117]

in a sane world these would be the people on everyone's mind instead of celebrities.

[@nickking-edwards9301]

100%

[@onetrueslave]

"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light."- Socrates

[@thebluecommunion2297]

Jace great quote

[@enjoyingthedecline1801]

In a sane world, these people would BE celebrities.

[@darcybhaiwala7057]

This is my favourite kind of conversation. You hear one idea and think "uh huh, that makes sense" and then someone says "I respectfully disagree and here's why" and I think "okay that's a good point" and then a third person goes "well actually" and you're like "ooh that's a good point too" for two hours. Thanks Bret, great guests and I learned so much here.

[@alexlongman5053]

Absolutely, and lets not lose sight of the principle that allows this to happen - freedom of speech.

[@Galloway8786]

@@alexlongman5053 I agree that it is freedom of speech, but it is more than that. Each of the participants in this discussion believed in the good faith of the other participants. That is fundamental in any discussion between people with different ideas and is almost completely lacking in modern political discourse.

[@bebopj]

That's what college classes used to be like.

[@alexlongman5053]

@@Galloway8786 Agreed. It is not just about the principle, but also the spirit.

[@alexlongman5053]

@@bebopj Had a few classes that were like this too. Some of the best times of my life.

[@neweverymorningmercy3491]

I could cry. Tears of relief. I listen to this and my heart is hopeful.

[@kirkulate]

I felt the same. What an amazing conversation with amazing people.

[@peggynall333]

In the 60’s the government made it impossible for fathers to stay in the home if welfare was to be given. Young boys need fathers. That is the main problem. Get the men back in the home.

[@Rope257]

What makes me cry is that apparently it is now needed to invite people based on their skin color if you want to speak about certain topics.

[@prybarknives]

I'm not crying, you're crying! Friggin John Wood Jr. Starting around 33 minutes, I'm like jaw dropped.

[@prybarknives]

@@Rope257 I get it, it shouldn't be. But we're not here, at least I'm not here to prove points or cross my arms and demand all hypocrisy be abolished. I want peace in my country, between my people. I don't care if I have to find black guys who agree, to get something meaningful done, I'm ok with it.

[@jamesperez6964]

Glen Loury isn’t merely a prominent black Intellectual, he is one of the greatest economists and social commentators that America has to offer.

[@caricusmeridius8217]

Glennnn Thiccc Lourrry

[@PaulSprangersCityLimits]

Agreed. Glenn is a machine. He's unstoppable.

[@djfunknuckle3375]

so you're saying when we catagorize people by their color we discount there abilities. I concor

[@segasys1339]

I only discovered him during the riots. WhAt do u suggest as an introductory Loury text on economics?

[@njhonduran]

@Nick Smith I love how Thomas Sowell is like 90 years old and is still going strong publishing books lmao

[@JammaLamma]

Fifteen minutes in and I've already heard more intelligent discussion on racial issues in America then you can get in a year on every msm news outlet combined. What a relief.

[@Puleczech]

How bizarre is it, right? We live in a society where people in power are mostly either incompetent or corrupt and where mainstream media manipulate opinions always for the worse outcome. The society is obviously seriously sick. Just the fact that US is going through probably the worst time since the WW2 and the choices for leadership are between Trump and Biden, is absolutely incredible. It is like trying to heal a cancer by smoking. And that msm will never air anything similar to this conversation shows the perverse satisfaction - or harsh incompetence dealing -with the status quo.

[@1spiritdancer]

Deep thank you to all participants and host ! Please continue with additional meetings - I am grateful to hear some intelligent analysis! 🦉

[@davinbaker1045]

I would call it more of a concern than a relief. It goes back to the point made late in the conversation that simple slogans have better legs than complicated, deep diving discussions. Unfortunate as that is. MSM will dig for ratings while the incentives that exist remain. I would have preferred the group been preconditioned with the unity2020 project as opposed to having it assigned as homework. Brett. Forever the professor. Since slogans do the legwork, give them some work to do. Brett's audience already knows about unity2020. We were waiting to hear discussion about it. While the preface is relevant, dare I say there's not time. The election is all but here.

[@ams914]

100 years

[@bungalowdweller]

@Fatema Jahan PBS is communist thru and thru. Our company once did work for them and they expected our services for FREE. When we came to collect (in Washington DC) at their receptionist area they had a HUGE Commie flag festooning the wall! And here my hub's uncle had been in the gulag over there. Wake up. Read the Epoch Times. Breitbart is excellent reporting. The rule of thumb is whatever msm criticises is that which should be read.

[@nicknomski8399]

Bret gives long over-cautious preamble. Glenn opens with "we're in deep doo-doo man!"

[@fezile]

The preamble was so unnecessary. If there ever was a crowd you didn't need to walk on eggshells around it's this one.

[@abelgonzales3695]

I mean he is the only white dude in the discussion. And he's been programmed like that, being a liberal throughout his life. But yeah, maybe a ultra honest white comedian like Bill Burr would have balanced the nuance in the discussion a little more.

[@phosphorusheart]

@@fezile If you watch some of Bret's interviews with Joe Rogan, he has to render doors into conversations while also framing how he's doing it and why. I can only sum it up with someone who has such terror instilled (I am reluctant to say PTSD or PTSS because I think those get thrown around as jargon far, far too much) that if he doesn't something will be taken out of context. Eric (his brother) has received death threats since forming the IDW and coming forward on several ideas and issues. Bret was essentially hunted at Evergreen because of a 4-page email. The preambles and careful stepping isn't necessary to us, but imagine what it must be like for someone who doesn't know the effects of what he says next will be.

[@brianjoyce9742]

Peter Robinson can moderate and get question lined up. Call him Bret.

[@brianjoyce9742]

@@phosphorusheart ---That is a proper evaluation of Bret. Because of his nuanced evo bio background more set up necessary in any panel. He is probably the one most affected by need to explain his position. That book mentioned by Glen, I need to find.

[@ThunderKlowd]

Being a white man who is 60 years old, I am getting information here I have NEVER heard before. I find this information very enlightening and I will be taking all this forward with friends and family. Y'all are some very informed and insightful people. I would have paid money to watch this. Thanks.

[@happywednesday6741]

@Auto Correct lmao

[@JohnSmith-tk7nt]

What do you mean "Y'all"?

[@mastermind2971]

@@JohnSmith-tk7nt he means the people speaking

[@Bootydoc1999]

@@JohnSmith-tk7nt troll

[@namingthem5268]

oh, another Jo*o, obviously.

[@redkatana7450]

As an Asian American (First generation Chinese), I'm drawing so many comparisons of our current time to China's Cultural Revolution, the sanitization of history (destroying the Four Olds), Self-Critique, Public Humiliation and the hostility to any criticism of the ideology. I work in a higher-ed. It is filled with lefties who regard their side of the argument as the complete truth. Our college's "office of diversity and inclusion" regularly sends out college-wide emails about their "white employee anti-racism" training, and about "white allies'" responsibility in standing up to racism, while I read in awe at the blunt racism coming from these "diversity and inclusion" people but often have to hold my tongue because I don't want to be labeled as a racist and frankly, I like my job. It is truly scary for freethinkers as countless institutions pander to the hateful ideologies of BLM. P.S., did Apple music just created a tribute playlist to black music??! As if the music scene isn't filled with numerous black artists. Holy fuck man!

[@danielfioretti5049]

Well said! It’s a rock and a hard place. It’s easy to say stand up and do what’s right, but when it puts your career and families livelihood in danger it’s not so easy. It’s all by msm/radical left design. Sad to see the unfortunate reality people such as yourself in these positions face. I’m optimistic through videos and gatherings such as this, that right will overcome the wrong in the end. Godspeed!!

[@VNTomVideo]

Russian here, working in an american institute, the parallels to the 1917 Russian revolution are staggering, they really want to step on the same rake as we did.

[@SteveSmith-fh6br]

I noticed this new brand of racism creeping into my university back in the early-mid 90's. I wish I had been more vocal in questioning the ideology back then, but acquiesced due to historical grievances. Had I known that same empathy would be used against me on the long slide down this slippery slope I would've never stood for it to begin with. Stay strong, there are more of us humanists than there are of them.

[@socialbettors966]

Absolutely, I find it very disturbing that more people do not see the parallels.

[@TSAONGAF]

I'm Ukrainian and the same exact thing you describe has happened during the communist revolution in Russia in early 1900s. The history repeats itself, sadly.

[@thurstoncochrane9143]

When Mr. Loury speaks, we’d all do well to listen

[@timdolan8125]

Just wish more people took the time to listen.

[@ancientfuture9690]

Definitely

[@HappyGhetto]

It's so refreshing to hear well measured thoughts on BLM and recent events from within the black community - if this kind of dialectic was more commonplace our society would be so much healthier.

[@segasys1339]

It’s a little optimistic to believe long form, nuanced intellectual discussion will ever become a staple of popular culture. At best we’re talking about 15-20% of the population. What we can hope for is that these discussions will spur a new, more constructive leadership class.

[@bobkeeler5964]

This is the way it WILL BE in the future, but we have to evolve together to reach that point. We are on the path and this is just a step on that path, but it is a step in the right direction!

[@whiteowl7798]

@HappyGhetto well said

[@brianjoyce9040]

They say 10% do 90% of the work. Let’s hope philosophically that is constructive now in turning this maniacal surge from far left.

[@stephr5476]

The left are too woke to hear these guys. Consensus seemed to be that new black leadership is needed, along with poetry/music to change the current cultural narrative.

[@beyondthepale9071]

Imagine if people in all interviews (especially when there are 3 or more people) can conduct thermselves in this manner. Let's forget the content for now. Each one them, in spite of his/her brilliance, is humble. Each one them listens, really listens with the intent to understand. Not one of them interupts the other. Each one communicates clearly and succinctly. To me, the most striking thing is that they listen and how they listen.

[@nolanolivier6791]

'We're in deep doo doo, man!' The intellectual honesty of Glen Loury will save the world.

[@brianjoyce9742]

He does not mince words. Says exactly what he thinks, always relevant.

[@7shelties]

He is an incredible man. His direct and brutal honesty is so refreshing!

[@Madrrrrrrrrrrr]

Glenn broke the dams some time ago. Look up all his stuff on YT. With Amy Wax are one of the best.

[@mikeandelman6607]

He is by far my favorite intellectual.

[@steve_m2473]

Absolute all star cast here. It would be unthinkable to see something like this on any MSM outlet. Well done organizing this conversation Bret!

[@jpkaneshida1977]

This is ANTI MSM

[@sulawesi-steve]

Can only hope we are here before it is such a platform.

[@Ambrose_Heria]

Wow... this discussion has left me feeling that intellectual blacks have been silenced and left out of conversation. What amazing minds and it’s so sad that I am only just now learning of all these intellectual black leaders... I’ve never heard or seen your voices in my media and I am very grateful to hear what you all had to say

[@skmin125]

I just discovered them too, and I'm glad that I did! Bret doing an amazing work, as usual 👍🏼

[@umiluv]

They’ve especially and deliberately been ignored by those who push identity politics. Coleman had John McWhorter on his podcast (Ep 2 on KZbin) and John noted how much vitriol he got for writing his book Authentically Black (I think) that he wrote in the early 2000s. The way those that push the identity politics narrative dismisses these black intellectuals and conservatives is by calling them Coon and Uncle Tom. People then dismiss them thinking that they’re brainwashed by the “white masters” and pushing the “white master” agenda. It’s a horrible way to silence black dissenting voices.

[@PsychonautAtom]

I love listening to Coleman Hughes, his podcast episodes, and his Quillette Magazine articles.

[@highneedforcognition9660]

Here's some more black intellectuals who dissent from an identity politics narrative: Jason Riley, Thomas Sowell, Roland Freyer, Jamil Jivani, Carol Swain, Katherine Birbalsingh, Shelby Steele, Larry Elder

[@MDL.720]

How are they being silenced? I know of 3 of them and I’m not even American. The problem is culture, most people would rather engage with unintellectual content. The irony of all of this is that we have far more tools at our disposal to become successful human beings than any other time in history, however we also have far more distractions. We need to somehow arm future generations with the ability to resist those distractions and focus on the things that will improve their chances of getting ahead in the world.

[@Bobotine]

I'd like to see a booklist from this group. Thanks, Bret and your guests.

[@JB-ti7bl]

Rogers Brubaker "Ethnicity Without Groups" was one book mentioned.

[@bebopj]

Your wish is my etc. Books mentioned in this video: Steven Pinker - The Better Angels of Our Nature John McWhorter - Losing the Race Thomas Chatterton Williams - Losing My Cool William “Sandy” Darity - From Here to Equality Charles Murray - Coming Apart Rogers Brubaker - Ethnicity Without Groups J. D. Vance - Hillbilly Elegy

[@PS-qn4oz]

@@bebopj Thank you. Glenn Loury recommended The Power of the Powerless before. There's a great KZbin video by that name, summarizing the book.

[@2sdayrobbins]

Thomas sowell was mentioned as well.

[@aedressler]

"The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews" is pretty good.

[@RandomAmerican23]

I love watching Glenn grin when he sees the young men and woman speak... like a proud uncle

[@umiluv]

Glenn is the best. In one of his recent videos with Coleman Hughes where Coleman tells him that he graduated Columbia, he looks so proud. It was so heartwarming to watch.

[@RandomAmerican23]

umiluv agreed, the best! Saw that interview, was that the one where Glenn had his wife hop on to say hi to Coleman? Lol

[@janewhite6858]

I noticed that too, so sweet...

[@OmegaLogos]

Glenn Loury is an absolute KING. The man is REGAL.

[@AlejandroLopez-cs6np]

I notice he does that a lot. He is a great mentor/uncle. You can tell how proud he is of young people striving for greatness.

[@emilythequeen1]

Hearing these intellectuals really talk, and engage was so cathartic. Seems like every problem could be fixed by putting these minds, right here, in charge of the discussion.

[@sophieoshaughnessy9469]

I agree. Amazing intellectually honest thought leaders. This is how to have a conversation.

[@jonathanharvey7090]

I would love to see Brett have a series of one on one personal conversation with each one of the panelists. It would be a series of podcasts I would watch intently.

[@Alkalite]

That's the goal, one discussion after the next. The mind of a philosopher is what we need in every major leadership position.

[@doctorisout]

@@Alkalite philosopher kings 🤴 🙃?

[@nathanrhodes4131]

This conversation made me feel profoundly and proudly American in a way I haven't felt in quite some time. Thank you all.

[@jamesbaker3153]

Plus at 36:30 you can hear someone sparking a bowl so it's got a little bit of comedy.

[@endigosun]

If people recognized there’s a plethora of this very same “untapped” potential in black communities across this country right now... maybe they’d feel optimistic and proud more often. Sadly, ingrained stereotypes rule the day.

[@travisn346]

Mainstream media is our obstacle. Take away any orchestrated narrative and civility returns like magic.

[@stayfocused6374]

Such a relief to see people

[@JonDasBoot]

Agreed. This was incredibly inspiring and it gives me hope that we can have civil discourse again.

[@deerylou7112]

49:00 I am Japanese. I can tell you from first hand knowledge that the Japanese neither wanted nor expected reparations; and YES, they WERE AN INSULT. Making statements like this without actually having done research into our culture is unwise. Did you ask anyone in the Japanese community about their personal thoughts? How many did you interview? All of the property and wealth my family had accumulated with hard work and determination was STOLEN from them when they were shoved in camps. This wealth was so much greater than the petty $20K my great grandmother received she actually laughed when she got her check (when she was in her 80s!). No one in my family ever spoke of their experiences or hardships while in camp because the Japanese REFUSE to view themselves as victims. They paid what seemed to be a debt for the privilege of being able to call themselves American citizens. There is no moving forward while dwelling on the past. When we get knocked down we get right back up and try again. I am only speaking for my family and the Americans who happen to be Japanese, I am not speaking for those in Japan because we are American! Persistence in reaching goals and refusing to view oneself as a victim was once a very AMERICAN trait, regardless of ethnicity, color, religion, or sex! We must get back to these values of raising the bar and raising expectations if America is to heal; ALL OF US AS BROTHERS AND SISTERS. Without self-respect there is no respect for others. Peace and love everyone❣ Ps. Mr. Loury is right on the money!

[@HaloWolf102]

Thank you for your comment. Comments like these are amazing. I got to learn about people in native american families, and muslim women. Contrary to what I have been told by the media, they aren't as oppressed as I was made to believe.

[@livingfinance]

I appreciate your insight, but the Japanese experience within America is not comparable to the black American experience. The devastation of people of African descent, destabilized people over 4 centuries and across continents. There is no equivalent comparison that can be made with the Japanese American experience. The Black American experience is deeper and span much longer. Imperial Japan had its fair share of damage that they had inflicted in their region of the world. Japan was never colonized and had its citizens shipped to the four corners of the globe to be used as slave labour for several centuries. The only group that remotely is comparable in experience are Native Americans.

[@KingdomeBleachers]

@@livingfinance She isn't comparing the historical Japanese American experience to the historical Black American experience. She is addressing what Chloe was mentioning during the discussion regarding the Japanese not being insulted after receiving "reparations".

[@livingfinance]

@@KingdomeBleachers My comment was made in respect to the following;"Persistence in reaching goals and refusing to view oneself as a victim was once a very AMERICAN trait, regardless of ethnicity, color, religion, or sex! We must get back to these values of raising the bar and raising expectations if America is to heal; ALL OF US AS BROTHERS AND SISTERS. Without self-respect there is no respect for others. Peace and love everyone❣ "

[@KingdomeBleachers]

@@livingfinance Thank you for the clarification. On the whole, I tend to agree with that sentiment, but I haven't always, especially in the midst of trials when it feels impossible to see a way out.

[@txdmsk]

26:00 This is why I love Glenn. His intellectual and moral honesty transcends most people's. He does not try to externalize blame and responsibility of black people.

[@t0jo853]

I couldnt hold my exitement, experiening his bravery. Im in Hope for us all.

[@dancemattdanceify]

@Cheyne Yarrington I think modern society has a lot to do with it too and affects all races. (Almost) everyone expects things to be handed to them. Constant complaining about not being paid more at their job but not even asking for it nor putting forth the effort to become undeniable and break through any actual or perceived barriers. In this country you can do OK while putting a C average student's level of effort forth, it boggles my mind that some "struggle" so much. And sadly, some are taught through their parents or influential demons in mass media that they CANNOT achieve what they would if society wasn't so racist. Many minds are crippled by this and it's worse than being called "N" any day of the week.

[@phatpat63]

Yeah, Bret was trying to do the typically white leftist thing and assert what the problem was, and Glenn didn't let him get away with it.

[@brianjoyce9040]

phatpat63 --Underestimating a brilliant guy there. The world does not exist in a purely economic world. The rigor of a STEM academics reasoning can not be just dismissed.

[@missanna208802]

@Cheyne Yarrington To play the devils advocate here-these people are at the edge of the bell curve-they are much more intelligent than the majority of people, and there are policies that affect black people more. There is an overabundance of ticketing poor people (and poor blacks), for example..

[@rayhrenko6196]

I’m an old white guy and I’m so encouraged & so impressed by this discussion. Your points are so different and thought provoking. Kudos to all of you & I’ll be trying to follow you all more in the future. Thanks for helping to restore my faith in Americans.

[@tjackson1953]

Well then go over to Yvette Carnell and see if she can shake you up.

[@licm626]

SOME ARE TRYING TO BOYCOTT OF PRE CHOICE SCHOOLS. Why?

[@licm626]

IVE HEARD OF SO ROS & ENEMIES OF THE US LIKE TO BANKRUPT A COUNTRY TO BUY UP REAL ESTATE, BUY CURRENCY, AND STOCK MARKET THAT BENEFIT THEM AND HURT OUR COUNTRY. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oIKrdYd3h5tnaZY

[@davestier6247]

@@licm626 gee what a shock, some genius typing in all CAPS and immediately brings up Soros cuz DRUDGE REPORT SEZ HE BAD. Please read more books and try to elevate yourself.

[@ebonysaintz9581]

Cornell West, is a leftist 60's left over who has a low frustration tolerance. He is so used to like minded thinkers being in awe of his faux pro-Black rhetoric, that the minute any one of them disagreed with him he would have started screaming his head off! It is very telling that the party that has elevated an unqualified nut case like AOC to a position of power within their party, partly because of her youth, don't grant the same instant credibility to Black Americans who are not group thinking SJW's.

[@beevehua1210]

I fell like my IQ has increased by 50% listening to this, as a political enthusiast, its usually depressing to watch public discourse. But what I have seen here is the highest form of emotional and intellectual stability and maturity. I could watch this a whole day. From Nigeria

[@dogbotgod8499]

@longflopy dog man , shut up

[@bubnjarovski]

@Skeptical Slim it cannot be changed

[@slim360720]

How y'all so smart and can't identify a metaphor? Translation for trolls; he was enlightened.

[@mikew2610]

@@slim360720 True but most of them are not saying anything new. Just repeating talking points.

[@tracyackerman-hensley3134]

longflopy dog Read between the lines.Perhaps your I.Q is not so high.(lol) I like your name though;so you should get some points for that.

[@AnActualSkeptic]

Great chat here and I'm recently separated from the democrat party as a black man. I'm now independent but still somewhat left leaning but also somewhat right leaning. Glenn, John and Coleman have helped astronomically in me really interrogating my own thoughts. I'd love to see more of these chats. This video should have 500 million views.

[@tmobereola]

Marvel: "Infinity war is the most ambitious crossover event in human history" Bret Weinstein : "Hold my beer"

[@paulthoresen8241]

Pedantic, but I wouldn't call it a crossover since they all exist in a single universe. I would say Smash Bros is pretty high up there, as well as Kingdom Hearts. The crossover of Metal Gear and Ape Escape was pretty ambitious.

[@noname-nu5fn]

Love this discussion. Great people and great arguments. This is when America wins, free speech

[@publiusovidius7386]

America wins what? America has dropped to 27th in social mobility and on the democracy index it has dropped to 25th. It is ranked lower than almost all western European countries and Canada. Those drops aren't due to overzealous SJWs, but to right-wing politics of political and economic suppression. www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-the-social-mobility-of-82-countries/ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

[@noname-nu5fn]

@@publiusovidius7386 you don't see how America wins by having open discussion about race issue?

[@johnedward8352]

@@publiusovidius7386 Putting society into a system of ranking is a fallacy.

[@venicebeachsportsnetwork6677]

"intellectuals" who think giving people money and resources doesn't help them 😂

[@GregoryJByrne]

Declaration of independence! Your being played by the club of rome, George Soros, bill gates, Mark Zuckerberg. The New World Order, Georgia Guide Stones , new 10 commandments. & Covid & co2 are strawmen. Covid is using the BabyBoomerBust lifecycle to manipulate control Humanity. ClimateChange is caused by the MILANKOVITCH cycles not co2. The co2 that is on this planet has been here for 4.5 billion years. Dinosaurs didn't live of off the little bit of co2 unthawed released right now

[@DirkSorensby]

WOW. Bret, you've done it this time. What an amazing assemblage of minds and what an amazing (FIRST) conversation. This video has tremendous value. Thank you.

[@eorobinson3]

Too bad Brett can’t STFU. He operates outside of his depth as a biologist, and can’t help himself in talking down to Glenn and John.

[@penskyfile5290]

The most productive 2 hours Ive had on you tube for some time. I even came away feeling a little smarter 🙏

[@TheBoredObserver]

I also love John McWhorter's listening/thinking face.

[@3941602]

I knew the gentleman in the center square would have a white girl lol nothing wrong with that either.

[@3941602]

John wood trying to land the plan lol....he cant do it a bit long winded but his points are their

[@DekkarJr]

He kind of looks like a real life version of a cartoon character - his feaatures are very reminiscent of something i cant remember

[@peacheskong2245]

Why is everyone so focused on their faces, kinda super strange...

[@TheCapedWanderer]

@@DekkarJr Betty Boop? Winnie the Pooh? You’re right, it’s somebody I can’t put my finger on

[@lovinreginald]

I went to middle and high school with John Wood. He has always been calm, smart, and very kind.

[@SquashDaBeef]

I think he can be a bit word and long-winded, but I do like him. Brevity comes with experience, so he will get better at crystallising his thoughts. As an example, look at how, say, Thomas Sowell answers a question

[@roundedges2]

Meh Sowell pursues a single line of thought like no other, but I find this John Wood young gun sees and can address a more complex interraction of MULTIPLE forces happening at once like he did laying out all that took place since the 1960s. Sowell plumbs ONE issue at a time with spectacular clarity, but sometimes there are more things happening.

[@daraharvey4519]

I haven’t met him, but just watching him talk makes him one of my favorite people to listen to

[@3941602]

He is smart and earnest. Between him and Glenn his views were spot on and he went deep talked bout the tough issues.

[@soakedbearrd]

He’s very insightful, never heard of him before.

[@davidgaskin1558]

Glenn Loury is a master of words and a truly amazing human, but everyone on this panel did an amazing job presenting their ideas in a civil manner!

[@blakeray9856]

*manner

[@ridesharegold6659]

@@blakeray9856 😂 it makes me think of some old british drama. An old Downton Abbey. "Civil Manor, Tuesday evenings at 9, on your PBS station"

[@tsuba14]

it's comforting to see all those books in the background.

[@151monka]

Thankfully these people are actually intelligent enough to have read the books in their bookshelves. Many people never read at all.

[@michaelmoreno7357]

I'm only half way through but things i know I'm gonna say: 1. This is amazing 2.Kmele needs more time, and you need to include a few more people that will disagree with each other 3. This is too short 4. Do this again, for the love of God do it again.

[@okfej3598]

5. Too much Bret.

[@michaelmoreno7357]

@@okfej3598 I so agree. Why collect 7 geniuses to try to force them around your analysis. I understand why he has such urgency but you just have to let people talk things out

[@matthewharvey3556]

Kmele has hosted much the same lineup on the Fifth Column podcast a couple of times.

[@elijahwilliameby2030]

Kmele gets more time later, and it's great.

[@blankspace0000]

@@okfej3598 I mean, it is his podcast. That said I do agree.

[@DerekMoore82]

This should've been about 2 or 3 hours longer. Just scratching the surface, just starting to get interesting when all of a sudden it's time to wrap up..

[@MostAdmiredRelative]

@@TangieTown81 I agree. Usually it's best to just listen. Coleman Hughes is amazing at this on his podcast. Bret came across as lecture'ee.

[@j_freed]

It might have been a series, where they could all think it over and come back with new thoughts. This one was largely introductory.

[@Dontbustthecrust]

Where's Joe?

[@inthefade]

Agreed! Too many people on the panel. I would like to see this repeat again.

[@Gearyco]

@@inthefade Just one too many. His name is Bret.

[@te4110]

YES: "It is the time for all good men, and women, and humans, to face this mob down". John McWhorter

[@akihitochan]

Nice, take it out of context and make it sound like Sean Hannity quote.

[@kham6006]

akihitochan so what has the mob done to help anyone in the black community? Anything for the children that have Been shot ? Every parent that has spoken has said no ,,they have raised so much money , where is it going ? To some old white somewhat racist man ,,,Biden ,,,

[@ebaums2023]

@@kham6006 it is good to always follow the money. That will be important for any prosecution if possible, after these talks that analyze the methods of the.organization and how it does not give with modern civilized protest and serious discussion

[@dennisclass]

15:50 is the quote.

@@akihitochan and whats your point?

[@phileoness]

John Wood’s first comment expresses exactly how most of us feel. He just said it so well!

[@alexsher1785]

Thomas Sowell needed

[@johanswede8200]

90!

[@marleyjanim5033]

1000%

[@Catch22Channel]

Yes yes yes...where is this legend of a man!

[@VTnumb]

1000000000%

[@jonformantes4910]

Sowell is a legend

[@syndicoftitan8306]

Glenn Loury’s first words: “We’re in deep doo-doo, man.”

[@iAmTheSquidThing]

"Demagoguery is afoot."

[@timothyh7053]

His opening statement of the three things that he wanted the panel to accept and discuss was brilliant. I can’t believe Bret shot him down and diverted the conversation!!!! It was headed in the right direction.

[@syndicoftitan8306]

Andy Brice what’s up Andy?

[@tedevlin1]

This is one of the most respectful, compelling and important conversations we can witness today.

[@euphegenia]

This video should have at least 100 million views. Every adult American needs to see this wealth of perspectives and ideas on these issues.

[@bebopj]

I see Bret has declined to absent himself from a space for people of color again. Just kidding. Honestly, I've never pressed play on a podcast faster.

[@chefzakfoodandfitness6232]

LOL

[@j.v.2508]

Nice! That first sentence had me shaking my head.

[@refreshingAnd]

🤣 Good one!

[@chemicalimbalance7030]

Did anyone else catch him compulsively checking his wallet pocket?

[@wearemany73]

Alright, that was quite funny.😄

[@roblangevin4924]

This is the smartest thing I’ve seen on the internet in a long time.

[@AP-Design]

This is a legit conversation. I've been looking for something like this for a long time.

[@johnchristopherlayton1325]

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[@johanswede8200]

Kisses to you!

[@johnchristopherlayton1325]

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[@johnchristopherlayton1325]

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[@UnknownUnknown-bx2lc]

we may... but not like this... this isn't coming together... he literally only invited one race to a discussion about race... that's not "together"

[@MoSec9]

@@UnknownUnknown-bx2lc It's not about race. It's about blacks in America.

[@jaydubya3698]

This was one of the best conversations regarding US race relations today that I've heard in a long, long time. No shouting, no denigrating the other position. Honest talk. Great, thoughful points coming from all the commentators. Wow. Just wow. Thanks Bret for hosting this.

[@lawilder2059]

This is one of the best conversations I have ever listened to. I wish Chloe could have expanded more on the spiritual emptiness of our citizens because this is more of an issue than is given attention to. Glen needs to have his own podcast- America needs his wisdom right now. I was so impressed with each speaker in this group and hope there will be more of these.

[@venicebeachsportsnetwork6677]

She never gets back to that? Jeez that's what I'm waiting for

[@danmiller4593]

If you're interested, Glenn actually does have his own podcast = ) It's called "The Glenn Show" on Bloggingheads.tv

[@stephj9378]

I have said that repeatedly. People connected strongly to spiritual/religious roots have no need to go back 200 years for reasons for issues today. We all need Some sort of regular religious/spiritual practice. Study of history and culture (to see PATTERNS of human behavior , victory and defeat) There is no combination of intellectual exercises that can overcome that need. And no amount of preaching and singing that can fill our cups.

[@a.sydney5036]

My exact thoughts on the spiritual scarcity! Wish she had talked to that point on a more in-depth level. I think she was saying that due lack of spirituality, people’s politics have become the new religion. It was a very interesting point.

[@milominderbinder8497]

What an amazing collection of intellect, thoughtfulness, and creativity. Everyone held their own. But wow, Coleman Hughes is on another level of being able to approach a problem from multiple directions. Turning the violence question around impacted my biases in an instant.

[@ElliotRose]

A panel of intellectuals who each get more than 30 seconds to make their point? Yeah, count me in.

[@TheAlibabatree]

@Jan Tillmn Care to name any names?

[@zman7357]

But now where's the time for sponsors and commercials??

[@mctow8554]

@Jan Tillmn do you see them looting or smoking crack? Hence they are intellectuals. Fo real tho. I like john mcwhorter. He called out the far left and cancel culture for being a nontheistic religion. Which it is. I seen his talks on yt before. Dunno the rest.

[@nesne2167]

@Jan Tillmn Which ones? A couple of Ivy League professors. Published authors. Heads of think tanks. I would say it is a pretty strong group. Care to call out who you consider a non intelectual?

[@asmith587]

@Jan Tillmn this is why you aren't invited to intellectual panels, talking out your ass about people you aren't familiar with.

[@kathleenedman5683]

This the BEST discussion I have heard about the issues at hand for America. A MUST listen! Make the time to understand the issues that are at hand. The Main stream is not giving all the information.

[@roughblooduk]

Well, that was bloody amazing: a virtual room full of intellectual heavyweights. I just wish regular TV channels would host events like this.

[@aprilbartlett4328]

That would be wonderful, George, but most of TV has intellectual light weights who do not know how to listen nor how to speak well

[@TheCalculatorGuy]

They used to. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6DNdaKbodSIisU

[@jenniferbhalahansen5135]

TV has always been the govt propaganda network to steer the peoples thoughts and beliefs. Truth is what TV does not want. When the population realizes this, things will get better because it will mean people will be free to think for themselves rather than indoctrinated with lies.

[@mmille10]

@@TheCalculatorGuy - That was on PBS. At the time, they weren't trying to win any popularity contests. It likely wasn't watched by a large audience. This was talked about on another PBS program, called "The Open Mind," when Neil Postman was a guest. They were talking about a book he published in the '80s, called "Amusing Ourselves To Death." The main topic was the fact that people were not reading, but instead entertaining themselves, by watching entertaining TV a lot, or engaging in other distractions, and that this was going to have negative consequences in how we engaged in our society, and our politics. The host of the show was very conscious of the fact that not many were watching them. So, even though Postman's book was intended as a warning to that generation about what the future held, if they kept this up, it was self-evident that most people were not going to receive that warning, because they weren't going to read his book, nor watch the program that was talking about it. It seemed like Postman was able to understand this problem from history and tradition. Looking back at that discussion with Postman, I'd say that knowledge base has a lot to tell us about what we see now.

[@mmille10]

It wouldn't rate well enough to be shown on regular TV channels. C-SPAN would show it, though. They don't need lots of viewers to justify putting something like this on. I note the number of views is near a million, which is impressive for something like this, but that's since it was posted 4 months ago. I suspect it might've gotten several thousand views the day it was posted. My guess is to sustain something like this on regular TV, it would need at least a million views the day it was broadcast, every time it was on.

[@David-fp4ff]

This conversation was a feast for the mind. Lots of names I didn't know before. Thank you all!

[@sirikhalsa3497]

This is the kind of high minded intelligent conversation I look for. Calm, respectful and insightful.

[@desmundlighten3603]

Yet no solutions came from it or were proposed . Lots of pessimistic

[@sirikhalsa3497]

Yes, solutions would be amazing. but like so much content that I hear that is super obnoxious, this was not and I'll take it as a small victory.

[@levikender4820]

I am overwhelmingly glad this conversation was had and shared. I can’t express enough how educational and thought provoking this convo is.

[@mighty_monkey_7347]

I ran into Glenn Loury a month ago on KZbin. I’ve been binge watching his channel ever since.

[@umiluv]

Me too! It’s like intellectually feasting after being famished for so long.

[@cheechvda]

He just did a video with Gas Saad. Worth a watch

[@sadface7457]

Listen to his linguistics podcast on slate

[@skoto8219]

His interview with the dude on the upper right, just recently released on the bloggingheads channel, is also worth checking out. There’s a pretty remarkable moment of candor where Glenn admits that right now he has no desire to “reach across the aisle” and find common ground with lefty activists because he’s just sick to death of these people are their ideology. Can relate, unfortunately.

[@KManwarren]

"There's more. There's a Black thing." He's spot on. We have to fix what characteristics and characters that we admire as a culture. In the 40s, 50s and 60s, it was Super man and it didn't matter that he was white. It became the rappers, and local smooth talking gangsters that took his place simply because they were Black. Tragic trade off. The color and not the character became most important. It's not the only issue, but it's a legit main issue. BLACK MEN that marry women of any color and stay are a MUST!!!

[@eeeemmteeee]

Good take.

[@slipstreammonkey]

There certainly have been cultural transitions, but you are glossing over the whole Black Power movement are you not...right into the 80's, 90's Rap culture and so forth. I mean there existed in the late 60's and 70's James Brown, Nina Simone and a whole movement of art which did not exactly promote gangsterism for its own sake but a more hopeful and uplifting message in lieu of the existing realities.

[@KManwarren]

@@slipstreammonkey I considered it. The music...lovely, however though there was a clear message of pimps and sexual promiscuity that filled Black music and arts that did not promote 2 parent households. Let's not glorify that era by ignoring the drugs, and loose limits that were present in Black film in the 70s. The problem with "fighting the power" is you have to rid yourself of the lifestyle that brings negative consequences like out of wedlock/teen parents, drugs in the hood, alcoholism, and domestic violence before you are strong/moral enough to stand on your own without "The Man". So, to be nice, I skipped that brief horrible moment in history.

[@dennischapman6893]

Well, you just hit the nail on the head! That is true of every culture that wants to thrive. Dad's must show offspring how to do life correctly for all members of a family!

[@berlg.3382]

Yowzerz!!!! Heavyweight panel. Weinstein has literally made history with this one. Well done...well done.

[@jamese8508]

Bret, I first heard about you in connection with the events at Evergreen. I only came across your podcast the other day. Already I find you to be one of the most reasoned and probing voices out there. I'm so glad for you that you have found this forum. And glad I have found it too.

[@ennuiblu]

Check out his brother, yo. Eric Weinstein is amazing!

[@d.a.b.2336]

Yes Leslie is right he is amazing, if you like this sort of honest intelligent discussion deff check out Eric, then if you want to dive deep into human psyche check out Jordan Peterson as well.

[@matornot]

I agree. When I first shared Bret's podcast with my family, my step-mom must have done a quick google search on him because she asked me what I thought about Bret's racism allegations. Boy was I happy she asked! I feel like we're all experts on Bret's racism allegations at this point, and it was nice to be able to lay everything out to a newcomer, and watch them learn in real time how out of hand things have gotten.

[@daviddesantis6831]

I would say that listening to both Bret & Eric is an equally expansive experience. Only that one is ice and the other is fire, respectively

[@quaternio]

penguins inadiorama To steelman a bit, because I do lean toward Glenn on the question, you may not have perpetrated it, but in particular with Jim Crow laws, you may have been benefited from the effects of those laws. And citing accomplishments like fighting wars is muddy at best-black people also fought in the world wars even though they were being shut out by Jim Crow-like laws before during and after the wars.

[@ExireHG]

The most brilliant, important podcast I've seen in recent memory. I don't even have anything to compare it to, so important. I hope for more of these roundtable type conversations. We need many of these, not just a one off. Also congrats to Bret for being about as fair as possible with giving everyone pretty equal speaking time.

[@highneedforcognition9660]

Glenn and Jonh's podcast: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZfWeWZ3ltSkj68 Coleman's podcast: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4HMf5yKrMtomK8 Kmele's on a podcast called The Fifth Column

[@sigmalefty393]

“False” what? 😂

[@craigsproston7378]

Great talk. I just wish Thomas Sowell had been invited to the debate

[@phineasgage8252]

I bet he was, but the dude is over 90 now. He has been a role model for many if not all of these people (I've heard Glenn, Coleman and John McWhorter say he has) so he is there in spirit if not in person.

[@Ln-cq8zu]

​@@phineasgage8252 I bet he was listening.

[@wukong1066]

It's a good thing he wasn't. However the bulk of this group blindly parrots his ideology and that's damaging enough. Would you have equally wised a Malcolm X, Dick Gregory, Cornell West, or Eric Dyson were present?

[@zxyatiywariii8]

53:08 I'm part Japanese-American and I just wanted to drop this in (as someone whose family did NOT get any reparations money) -- if someone's parents or grandparents had been interned, but then the internee himself/herself had died just before the act was passed, not even their immediate children would get any reparations money. It was only specifically for people who had been interned, many of whom had died already. However, for the vast majority of people who fought to get that act passed, what mattered most was having the government say, officially, that the internment had been UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Because it had never been acknowledged as being unConstitutional until then, so that's what we were fighting for most of all. I won't argue for or against reparations for slavery (because although some people look at me and think I'm Black, that's my Polynesian heritage) -- I just wanted to clarify this fact about Japanese-American reparations.

[@brianjoyce9040]

Respect is earned, those people earned it.

[@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069]

Thank you for your insight. I learned reading this comment.

[@skibumb220]

I came here to make this exact point about reparations. You said it better. Thanks.

[@zenobardot]

I don't want to argue for or against reparations, but one rhetorical point or analogy that wasn't raised was the idea of restoring property to heirs, as has occasionally happened with the descendants of Jews persecuted by the Germans during the 1933-1945 period--the best known examples being various paintings and works of art that were given back to heirs. If a person's labor as a slave is calculated in financial terms, how is the theft of that labor so different from the theft of a Renoir painting in the WWII era? The reparations to Japanese Americans seems more like a payment for suffering than a payment for stolen property (though the Japanese in America certainly lost a lot of property during that time), and I understand the logic of limiting those payments to only those citizens who directly experienced the suffering. But there are reparations for theft that work differently, and I can see the argument for payment to descendants that Kmele brushes aside. All that said, politically, reparations might be much more of a third rail than a lot of left-of-center people (who aren't complete political junkies) realize. Like Roe-vs-Wade, it might animate the low-information right for multiple generations. "So what?" those on the left might say--"it's the just thing to do." But if we want to ever have a functioning Senate again and solve national problems, we have to grapple with the fact that all those people in Fox News flyover country have more senators per capita than the coastal city folks, and they aren't just going to shrug their shoulders and embrace the change. If they are onboard before the reparations start going out, their anger and racial resentment will be easily stoked by Fox and social media for decades.

[@georgetrujillo9618]

zxy atiywariii My grandfather was a downwinder, but he died before the “cutoff” period, it calls into question as to how we define the sunsetting periods. Thank you for sharing that information, it should be used to help future causes

[@cowabungadude7408]

Glenn's contributions to this talk were invaluable. He took it to the next level.

[@jennifercox1499]

And he took at the end to Unions. Which I have said all along are part of the issue in education, in policing and in job opportunities. The one thing they didn’t address was how the minimum wages and unions for the large part of 70’s and 80’s boxed out blacks, specifically men from getting good jobs.

[@lornemalvo4492]

He's literally blowing my mind.

[@kenielhuntley9816]

Watching from the Island of Jamaica, and I found the discussion to be extremely sobering and encouraging. I hope conversations of this calibre will emerge as the new norm in America and the Caribbean.

[@johnk3677]

I love the comment from Ms. Valdary that there is 'spiritual malnutrition.

[@truthteller9071]

Yes!

[@throwaway6795]

Never heard of Glenn Loury before.. I like this guy.

[@Saddamuel]

He has a show here on the channel Blogginghead . tv My favourite episodes are those he does with John McWhorter. You should *search Glenn Loury John McWhorter* and you should find the episodes! If you go back and watch them in order, you will see John McWhorter slowly becoming aware of how even he has been manipulated by the media and activists. They even have a mini-series about McWhorter becoming suspicious and questioning the Trayvon Martin mainstream narrative in a nuanced way. Loury's directness and passion is inspiring.

[@rinwesley3092]

Coleman Hughes' emotions range from neutral to neutral+

[@umiluv]

Lol

[@brianjoyce9742]

I expect one day a subtle roar, with conviction like Glen often does.

[@fezile]

lol that man kept the same expression for almost 2 hours.

[@tbk2010]

There is an occasional thoughtful-neutral in there.

[@redryan20000]

Tell my wife "hello"

[@caroldoemel1962]

Brilliant intellectual discussion! I learned so much from this panel tonight....multiple views and differing opinions, yet true respect and contemplation for each others' views. This is how to formulate a solution. This is what we need right now (and I'm a conservative in the US military). So thankful for this discourse. Thank you, Bret!

[@brianjoyce9742]

Right on, and well said!

[@medusa1340]

Watching from the UK 🇬🇧✌🏾 love these perspectives should be viewed in educational settings for students.

[@T4YPodcast]

A much needed and appreciated conversation. Thank you to all on the panel and thank you Bret for hosting.

[@glennhaines8563]

I went to middle school with Coleman. He always had the air of being something special.

[@johnnymc5573]

He looked so blackpilled the entire time

[@umiluv]

Oh man! That’s pretty cool! He is indeed special and has been for a while. I saw him speaking on KZbin very early on when he had just started Columbia.

[@xixi6759]

I went to school with jo mama

[@craighealy6268]

Jersey!

[@crowneproductions9908]

I can definitely see that. I think there was always “that guy” in high school. I don’t mean to put him down by saying that. It’s probably tough being high IQ in a place and time like high school but the lack of humour is what always bugged me about Coleman and his doppelgängers we all grew up with.

[@jimlarose]

The most sincere conversation on Civil Society I’ve ever witnessed. Each speaker’s command of the variables was breathtaking. The honesty embedded in the discourse made the presentation beautifully complex. What can my family do to stand with Dark Horse? I believe the courage to think and act (mitigated by humility) is our solemn responsibility as together we face this worldwide existential moment. Thank you to you all. You are the very best of us.

[@ashleyvreid]

We are a human race. RacISM is a lie. Dividing people by skin color is a 500-year-old socioeconomic construct that we think is truth. It is not. There is no "white". We are literally all shades of brown. Issues with black people are issues with all people because freedom is always based on something else being oppressed, which is the same way ego works. Racism is indoctrination that we've all been infected with, and we all need to let it go in order for systematic oppression to stop.

[@jamesnope8666]

@@ashleyvreid that's absolutely absurd and you know it

[@ashleyreid3065]

Would you like to be sent the evidence? It’s scientific fact. Your reaction to truth is absurd and typical. Put your ego down, identity aside, and understand that lies have been upheld for the sake of economy and superiority. You included.

[@ashleyreid3065]

What is it then? Please explain? What divides a human race? Please do not mistake race with ethnicity or culture to start.

[@jamesnope8666]

@@ashleyreid3065 there is no scientific evidence to show that black people and white people are the same.

[@scottmitchell1974]

These are the folks who should have their names on the backs of jerseys and helmets. Say THEIR names! What a great conversation.

[@xanunanadus4801]

Bret's heart seems in the right place. Every other roundtable member's wrap up at the conclusion of the discussion reminded me of the title of Jason Riley's book "Please Stop Helping Us."

[@Drumsgoon]

Haha

[@RickMcCargar]

Being kicked out of the leftist tribe didn't stop Bret from believing he still has all the answers. There is a significant percentage of the population in all races that understand the basics to making it in the first world: Stop incentivizing destructive behavior that increases misery. Graduate from at least high school. Get a full time job. Any full time job and stick at it. Show up on time, clean and appropriately dressed. Don't get married and have kids until you've accomplished those modest goals and you are almost assured of making it at least to the middle class. Single-parent families are the greatest predictor of a failed life. Avoid incentivizing that behavior.

[@fioredeutchmark]

I’d just like to thank (almost 😅) everyone in the comments section for providing so much insight and thought provoking discussion based off this round table. Truly makes me feel like the human race can progress to a better future and that’s just been wonderful for my mental health. Honestly from the bottom of my heart thank you.

[@themeadowlarkminutewithpau8184]

I feel you 100%.

[@kid9erman]

One of the most intelligent conversations I've heard in a long time I loved every single bit of it as well my friend, this is how we should solve our problem sitting down and talking about what we need to fix

[@samus598]

When you watch this you realize how culpable the mainstream media is in fomenting these divisions for drama and destroying our national dialogue. This is the way that coalitions are built and prejudices are dispelled, seeing competing voices respectfully rooting around in the muck of our current cultural miasma together. We cannot see everything since we are all waist deep in the muck. I had a lot of my views challenged in this podcast, and my mind changed on several issues. This is what good content looks like. KZbin autoplays everything into Jimmy Fallon in 3 degrees of Kevin Bacon, driving us(or me at least) towards cynicism and hysterics, I think an algorithm that was optimizing for social cooperation and cultural flourishing would be delivering this content on a regular basis. I really hope this podcast pulls people off the hysteric fringes.

[@pepps779]

​@Dr3w 97 I perceived it that way for many years, however the increasing actions, that seem to actually counter the 'bottom line' mentality that one would expect, makes me think that the issue goes far deeper than just view chasing.

[@danpro4519]

TRUTH

[@maelstrom2313]

​@@pepps779 Absolutely right. Many websites including this one are directly harming their revenue to promote and suppress specific ideologies. MSM news with no public interest are given the spotlight. Extremely popular right wing channels are purged regularly.

[@ifihadfriends437]

I love watching everyone else's facial expressions while one person is talking, you can see them thinking through the points

[@LittleIAO]

Damn. That was purely amazing. How many more of these can we get? I hope this type of discussion travels far and wide and touches people.

[@brianjoyce9040]

To the media gods ears please

[@adubs7607]

I would love to see this conversation (with these guests) continue through future podcasts. Two hours doesn't do this topic of discussion justice.

[@sweetenlifesystems]

I was stunned that Bret resurrected the old saw about “Poverty causes crime”. I was reared in a poverty stricken society but never saw violence and almost never saw theft. Black families did not attack other Blacks in slavery or Jim Crow. Desperately poor people are not all criminals.

[@HighVizEconomist]

Ive been surrounded by Appalachian poverty my whole life. Its unending crime and violence, adding the heroine crisis has taken it to a new level you haven't seen. Bret is correct from what ive observed.

[@lorimiller623]

My parents said that people left their doors unlocked during the Depression.

[@musicalfringe]

I think this is Bret's remaining leftist bias showing. It must be a product of both poverty and cultural factors I think: perhaps difficult-to-escape poverty sets the stage of hopelessness in upward mobillity, and bad culture parasitises that state of affairs by providing substitute goals that are mean and lowly compared to whatever the people in question should be shooting for.

[@tidakada7357]

nobody claims that poverty causes crime directly without any other inputs or factors, that is a strawman.

[@alanlight7740]

Crime causes poverty.

[@mercantilistic]

Thank god for this. This is the most interesting discussion I've heard on this topic, and it's such a shame that you will never see this presented in the media. I'm a mixed-race person and I constantly have to argue with people about race being a distraction, I get trashed for it constantly.

[@clydefrog6959]

Wish Sowell could have been apart of this.

[@phineasgage8252]

Is he unwell?

[@YourXLNerd]

hes 90 something

[@bespoke4187]

He will not live forever and is long in the tooth so it's important to grow and nurture a younger generation of intellectuals as bright as him. Give them a chance to courageously shine the light on truth.

[@i1945us]

Gosh me too

[@al_kaloid]

He is. Did you wish for him to be involved in this discussion? Then that's the exact opposite of what you were saying. scnr

[@blakeray9856]

The only person here who was completely new to me was K'mele, and he really made some valuable comments. So glad I am now acquainted with him . Coleman didn't say a whole lot, but when he did speak he made electrifying points, as usual. I watched a one-on-one conversation with Glenn and John Wood two days ago and it was amazing, impassioned, caught fire, and they really communicated with each other and did not just talk at each other. They are both exceptionally caring and informed men. Thanks for the great conversation, I look forward to more. PS here is the link to the conversation I mentioned above: kzbin.info/www/bejne/poOsepZros-Wn7M

[@claudiafahey1353]

Lisa Kennedy ( known as just Kennedy) had him as a frequent guest on her show...I found him quite reasonable

[@amishbpatelify]

@@claudiafahey1353 of course he is, he is a libertarian.

[@motgbg]

They all were great but I am seriously trobled with Bret. With every new video, he posts he has shown himself as a hard learner as he couldn't take a bit of information from the discussion and this is very frustrating. And he didn't know enough about economics and history

[@psyborg89]

kmele is awesome

[@shadforthw3535]

Kmele is friends with a lot of people on the right- used to be on Fox .

[@derekhogan4163]

Brett the Biologist - "It's economics" Glenn the Economist- "No its not" Brett had some trouble hiding his frustration that none of the panel were wholeheartedly agreeing with his "distribution of opportunity" thesis.

[@highneedforcognition9660]

At least he platformed his opposition and let audience question his views and what evidence he has to support them or not

[@j_freed]

The American working middle class has been excluded from all economic growth for about four decades. This affects everything, and it seems legit large companies would want to avoid being seen as a cause of social ills.

[@wodenravens]

Yep, there was widespread scepticism about his observations. I really like what Brett offers, but I'm not sure his 'global' theories are that convincing. He always has something valuable to add in terms of his perspective, but he sometimes over-reaches with how much his theories can explain.

[@highneedforcognition9660]

@@wodenravens perfect analysis. I noticed this about Bret from the start and couldn't even listen to him at first until I realized I also have the same problem and now I watch him to get better at calling it out when I see it so I can avoid it personally

[@hekskey]

I'm not trying to pile on Bret here, but did anyone else notice that in a conversation with 7 Black people, it was only the one White guy who seemed to keep trying to suggest that none of the problems in the Black community were their own fault, resulting from bad ideas that have become popular in their communities in the past several decades? I listen to Hughes, McWhorter and Loury fairly often and they regularly acknowledge that whatever else is true - and I think there _is_ a lot of other stuff that's true to one degree or another - a big part of the problem that the Black community is having is self-made and won't be solved by the kind of issues Bret is talking about. And all of the other Black panelists seemed to recognize or agree with this to one degree or another. I think Bret might have thought it would seem racist to acknowledge this, but if you actually care about helping people, trying to find any way possible to absolve them of their own role in the problem is counter-productive and condescending. It denies them personal agency and responsibility and amounts to a 'soft bigotry of low expectations'.

[@leefischer1313]

This was AMAZING!!!!! I want to spend hours talking with every single one of these people!!! Thank you so much for pulling this together and hosting it! Just so helpful to hear these different points of view in this respectful conversation!

[@GerlindeGronow]

Will re-watch this tomorrow, as it is already late here; thank you and much love from Germany

[@johanswede8200]

Stockholm agrees!

[@dreimalnein22]

Vienna is still listening tonight =)

[@perfecto25]

Glen Lowery is criminally underused in public discourse, abslutely 100% right on every point

[@billkampouris2286]

Is that Mike's brother?

[@Daniel-ky3iq]

He definitely comes across like he thinks he's 100% right...

[@turboretard9555]

@@Daniel-ky3iq Everyone always thinks they're right, but being prideful is thinking you're always right. It would be an absurdity to hold a position while you think it's wrong; the real question is whether you recognize in the abstract that you can and have been wrong. Glenn is a fierce orator, but he has demonstrated over the years that he is willing to revise his beliefs in the face of evidence and reasoned argument.

[@seanmatthewking]

Oh. You must be the arbiter of truth. Glad you could make it.

[@turboretard9555]

@Stephen Carter Hard to imagine how you got that impression. Glenn has been described as many things, some quite negative, but even his harshest critics acknowledge his intellect.

[@yazeedkamalie1439]

In UFC this is what you might call a "stacked card".

[@joaofarias6473]

As if 251 wasn't enough ahah

[@yossarian1633]

Yeah my head was spinning trying to follow all the points everyone was making.

[@Bradtheartguy]

I am so aligned with Bret's thinking, and I loved when Coleman challenged his hypothesis! As a centrist lefty I always just assume that everything is linked to economic distribution. That was such an outside the box moment for me that will give me a lot to think about. Thanks!

[@JamesScottGuitar]

I would have loved to have seen Thomas Sowell and Shelby Steele on this panel...

[@maxwest5447]

Yes! The Godfathers

[@crybully]

Mark Johhson when you see the world in labels, you’ll remain labeled.

[@ethang1578]

I wasn’t aware these were heavy conservatives

[@team1275]

I second that!

[@michaelcasey7057]

I think it should have been Jessie Lee Peterson, Ta-nehisi Coates, Farrakhan, Juicy Smollett, Rachel Dolezal, Jimmy Kimmel as Karl Malone and the Legend of Bagger Vance

[@evolvingonpurpose6723]

I so greatly appreciate this brave and, yet, incomplete conversation. We need more of this intellectual honesty and openness among all races. I see this as a good beginning.

[@EveryOtherWeekendRVA]

I love how Coleman just sits and listens. You can really see his mind working. He doesn’t try to get his point out, he is just genuinely trying to grow.

[@julieredmond5192]

He looked a little mad a lot of the time

[@ljacobs5478]

Julie Redmond he always looks like that 😆

[@bebopj]

He might have been a little intimidated.

[@cf6713]

bebopj He disagrees on a fundamental level, as does Glen. There was a train that left the station. From his point of view, they didn’t even figure out which direction the train should be heading before they took off.

[@amorfati4927]

Christopher G Yeah if you want to see a good time what him and Glenn talk together. It’s like a father and son things it’s good to see. Glenn is so right on reparations and it’s amazing how people don’t see that. Welfare state did a lot to destroy the black community (or anyone that took it, just happened to be petaled to blacks more). Reparations is a repeat of the exact same thing, no matter how they do it. It nothing to change the culture that is the stereotypical black that is the only reason why there is a conversation to begin with (on the surface that is). Any middle or upper class black has done well and has no need of reparations with the exact same opportunities that the ones stuck in the system has (listen to Glenn’s life story for one example). The transfer of wealth is also a very overblown argument. Nowhere near the amount of wealth is transferred from generation to generation that people want to believe. A good example is the percentage of millionaires where if I remember right is in the single digit percentages of it being transferred. Also when it is transferred the majority of it is squandered in a generation or two. I do understand it being very tough and yet so simple to put blame on personal responsibility. However, it has been the core of truth since the beginning of human history. Why would it not be a major factor in this case as well?

[@christopher2215]

This is the best content I've ever seen on youtube, thank you all!

[@SVisionary]

This may be one of the best discussions I've heard on Dark Horse.

[@michelem7786]

Why do you listen to a talking head who promotes divisive marxism in the first place?

[@docwalker75]

Michele M what are you meaning?

[@ianm9212]

@@michelem7786 clearly you need to listen to this podcast and Brets work again

[@seal869]

The less Bret, the better. Still too much though.

[@michelem7786]

@@ianm9212 I'm plenty familiar with Bret's ideology in which he juxtaposes "the oppressed" against the oppressor and blames a subculture's malcontentedness on sins endured generation ago at the hands of roughly 8 percent of the population. One would expect an evolutionary biologist to dig a little deeper into African origins before denying any reasonable iota of personal accountability for economic disparity. "Blacks have always been robbed throughout history". Bret refuses to consider interracial crime statistics, the population's prosperity in African homelands or the origins of the slavery that he obsesses with. Its all whitey's fault. And Bret's sugar coating of his divisive ideology does not make it anymore palatable By the way, my grandparents were enslaved in work camps made possible by the division that marxists create. Many of marxists believed they were do-gooders who could social engineer outcomes. They treat people like "pets", and finally cattle.

[@AMA-ot9rb]

This was at least for me, the best 2 hours I’ve heard in a long time. I was so encouraged and i am grateful to have met these voices I had not yet heard from Iraq about. Please get them on the biggest platforms we have. Please make their minds be the minds we here from on the news and in our schools and communities. This is so important for those like me who are completely exasperated by the narrative I am hearing(which creates stress and anger) and what the solutions or at least honest takes on these matters could produce. Please have this brilliance replace the madness of Al Sharpton, Maxine Waters, White Fragility and 1619, Save ‘this country from the self saving, group fearing world to an intellectual and serious discussion of all things black, white and of all other stripes. Thank you all for this eye opening experience.

[@brianc7646]

Polar opposite of the mainstream media approach. Thanks for facilitating a constructive conversation.

[@amityvil]

The most rational, reasonable, intelligent conversation I have heard/watched in decades.