Breville Barista Express vs Barista Pro | Upgrade?

[@LifestyleLab_]

Breville Barista Express: geni.us/1HoQc Breville Barista Pro: geni.us/VG0XE (Affiliate links)

[@aterix]

Links to the others you mentioned? Double Boiler & Oracle???

[@stvkin]

i wish something like brevile barista express without the grinder.

[@LifestyleLab_]

@@stvkin It exists! That's the Breville Infuser

[@itsm3th3b33]

The conclusion seems to be the PRO doesn't add enough to justify the price difference for one to upgrade from the Barista Express. However, if one doens't have any, should one jump into the Express or the Pro, especially if that difference is reduced to $100?

[@LifestyleLab_]

Hi JY! For a $100 proce difference, I would certainly go with the Pro

[@True_Blood_89]

I spent everyday for 2 months considering buying the Breville Express as it would be my first coffee machine. I ended up making the purchase 3 weeks ago. Can say I have no regrets. I wasted about 500g of coffee to get the right extraction. In the end, my coffee is the best in town, I'm yet to find a better cup. I love this machine, I love my coffee!

[@henryb1923]

@josh that is too funny! I wasted an entire 1/2 pound bag also trying to get the extraction correct the first time. Enjoy your machine.

[@tugboat8475]

Josh, are you still happy with it? We are also deciding in between the two , for our first coffee machine moving away from Nespresso pod machine

[@ikihaku]

@@tugboat8475 I've got barista Pro in November, still very happy. Also moved away from Nespresso. My wife was very skeptical, but when she tried Nespresso again after some time, she finally confessed the coffee from Barista is dramatically better.

[@michaelcameron1594]

I've had a barista express since Christmas 2017 - I still love it. Best part of my morning routine! I also wasted ~350g of beans when the machine was brand new figuring out what I was doing.

[@lesterestrella3801]

Get a double wall cup, if you still haven't got one. Enjoy

[@dsofe4879]

took me a good while to notice the Barista Pro is just an overlayed image

[@shiekha.2560]

omg i just noticed! i was like why is not he using it???

[@chis332]

now for my next trick....

[@gg.6967]

wonkey noodle 🖤you won’t laugh when he reappears with your head overlayed on his shoulders and two fully operational machines.

[@0BURNT0TOAST0]

Once you see it !!! Hahaha I was curious why he never touched it until I was like 1/3 of the way through the video.

[@gg.6967]

@@chis332 👍☕️☕️☕️☕️

[@SaulUrena-gv4tw]

Thank you for your review. It's nice to hear that you've had your machine for 4 years, signs of a well-built machine. I was going to get the pro, but I appreciate that you brought up how 15 seconds saved on steaming and instant hot water aren't really worth the extra dough. I also agree that the pressure gage should have stuck around

[@BrawndoQC]

I own both in 2 diff houses we own, and I much prefer the PRO event hough our Express does a fine job, I hate the slow boiler on it. I don't really miss the gauge, and I appreciate the timer especially when tweaking new beans or switching from single to double shot filters. I use a mech watch but having it there synched with the infusion is nice. Thanks for the review will help a few friends decide by themselves.

[@seanli4261]

Totally agreed. The express still the best bang for ur buck. Thx for the video, now i made up my mind

[@adampoll4977]

I for one love the analogue pressure gauge. Since I roast my own coffee I am constantly changing out beans and it is a far quicker way to dial in a grind than timing shots etc.

[@LifestyleLab_]

Me too! I'll take analog over digital any day

[@nman45678]

So just run a shot of just water to warm it up then? or am I missing something. seems like an easy solution to get the filter up to temp without waiting 20 minutes

[@patriotmel3004]

Thanks for confirming my decision. Just got mine 2 weeks ago. I'm an absolute novice. Having weird hiccups like... 18g of coffee (pre-measured with a scale and dumped into the grinder) will always way overflow out of the portafilter. The Breville rep said it had to do with grind size but I'm dubious. I've wasted an entire bag of beans just trying to get the pressure gauge to move at all. Very grateful for all of the guidance from this youtube family.

[@LifestyleLab_]

The Breville rep is correct! Are you already at a grind setting of 1? If so, you can still grind much much finer by changing the internal grind setting, here's how! kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3_ZgJZ7aZKJe9E

[@patriotmel3004]

@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks so much for taking the time!

[@williamhahn3749]

This is the cleanest review I have ever seen on KZbin. Well done and I await more content. Some of the things that make this video superb are the clean white backdrop. Both products in clear view and the narrator cleanly dressed with his head out of the shot. Why because our focus shouldnt be on him but rather the products he is reviewing. Appropriate hand actions further direct our attention. The only thing I would improve is a few more action on shots of the comparisons. When you say the steamers are about the same maybe a shot of bot products steamers. All around well done and I await further content.

[@gloriasanchez3824]

Because no one talks about the most significant differences? I have the 2 machines at the moment, and I am debating which one to choose, I will mention advantages and disadvantages that I have observed: Barista Express in favor. In 15min more than ready to be used. The most important differences that I observe: Barista Express 1-Ready to use in 15min with portafilters already hot. (Very important to me) 2- The temperature of coffee extraction is 73 degrees Celsius against 65 of the PRO, the water also comes out hotter in BE 3-Durability, due to having less technology, it is a machine that will last longer, I have heard that the Barista Pro (BP) has had many failures, and if they do not make a guarantee, it is a product that you will have to replace faster, since the repair cost is much higher. I'm really almost determined to get the BE even though I know I'm going to miss the speed and power of the Milk steam of the BP. My impression when trying Barista PRO was that the cream was extremely good, but I did an experiment, I used the BP grind and shot from BE the cream came out almost as good as in BP, so I think it's just a matter of finding the perfect grind in BE The advantages that I find in BE are really more important to me. Practicality (I don't have to spend time and filtered water to heat the portafilter). DURABILITY and TEMPERATURE

[@nera4988]

I got the barista pro and love it. Reviews were solid on it and it really delivers. I'm completely new to making coffees, so when I look at the express, I just felt intimidated. The price difference was gone via boxing week. So I'm a happy man

[@danghita4386]

There is also another significant difference. I'm using it in a car with an inverter and for me this is a major difference: the newer one uses 1100W, the old 1850W. And the newer is few mm shorter, another plus for me. Cheers

[@urgedmoon]

Thank you headless man. Very informative! I used to have 870 series and I found the pressure guage very handy. I plan on upgrading...

[@isisemkeb]

Wow !!! Thx. I was looking to "maybe" upgrade for the Pro, already owning an Express. I had purchased a Bambino, really not happy with it, brought it back and changed it for the Express. I still do not regret it. I will keep my Express.

[@Setareh-tr7se]

Hi mate...i hope you are doing well...i am going to buy bambino plus and i saw ur comment,,,would u please let mebknow what was your issue with bambino please....thank you

[@theadventuringzebra]

I'm still a little confused on the difference in portafilter size. How does it change the ultimate taste/quality? How much can you tell the difference between a shot with the smaller portafilter and lower quality grinder vs a more commercial one? Since these machines are a pretty penny, I want to make sure I'm making the right decision! PS I'm upgrading from a SMEG espresso maker :)

[@pinkyfloydyfan1]

I have a dilemma: would it be better to buy a new BE at $1000CAD or a used BP at $500CAD (purchased in 2023)?

[@LifestyleLab_]

I wouldn't buy a new Barista Express at that price, they're often on for cheaper. If you trust the seller, definitely go with the Pro

[@disusereuse_ApplianceHealer]

It's like having a digital watch vs an old school analog watch for the display... Let's find out what under the hood! Thanks for the video.

[@dreamofblueturtle]

Many point out that the breville 878 does not have a pressure gauge, but the 878 has a watch. With a little more knowledge, we can use the time to adjust the quality of the Esopresso. I think the amount of extraction over time makes the esopresso more accurate than the presence or absence of a pressure gauge.

[@LifestyleLab_]

You are absolutely correct! A pressure gauge is only a rough tool. Brew ratio and flow rate are the two real measures to keep an eye on

[@VincentAmari]

@@LifestyleLab_ Shame that they don't also include pressure within the LCD display.

[@NZ-vorno]

Thank you for the review. How would you compare the Express vs the Touch? Deciding on either model at the mo'. Otherwise, do you have a recommendation for a 58mm type model? Or does the cost of such a machine go up a lot?

[@LifestyleLab_]

I would get the Pro over the Touch. Better value for money 58mm machines you can consider the Gaggia Classic Pro. But keep in mind you'll need to budget for an equally good grinder

[@ThorMaxx]

Upgraded from the breville DieCast from early 2000 to a Barista Pro at the start of the summer. Love this machine....makes a great cup and so much control!

[@tuncherferad6128]

What a genuine review! Rare to see such reviews on the net! Well done and keep them coming. Much love from Toronto.

[@snapdiscgolf]

The Thermo Jet, 30 grind settings, four holes on the wand, instant temp adjustment and built in timer makes it worth the $100 difference.

[@LifestyleLab_]

Difference in MSRP is far larger than $100 in most markets, but if you can find them that close then I agree the Pro is certainly an easy choice in that case :)

[@playbackamusicloversjourne8620]

I'm writing this 2 years later. It's now a $500 CAD difference in price.

[@gloriasanchez3824]

I got same price for both, but 3 things I concern about the PRO: DURABILITY, the temperature is not hot enpught in the PRO , and the portafilter does not heat up, it has to be heated manually. what for me is a real annoyance, waste of time and water. Someone who has the PRO for more than 2-3 years and has not had failures?

[@JohnDoe-yh9gi]

Its 158usd difference in my place. Still on the fence since i want the 58mm. Gaggia or pro. I'm still looking at sites for comparison

[@LifestyleLab_]

Breville Barista Express vs Gaggia Classic Pro kzbin.info/www/bejne/infGmZWuqsZ0ibc

[@gloriasanchez3824]

due to an excellent discount I got the barista PRO at the same price as the Barista Express Now, I have both machines at the moment, and I am debating which one to choose, I will mention advantages and disadvantages that I have observed: Barista Express in favor. In 15min more than ready to be used. The most important differences that I observe: Barista Express 1-Ready to use in 15min with portafilters already hot. (Very important to me) 2- The temperature of coffee extraction is 79 degrees Celsius against 65 of the PRO, the water also comes out hotter in BE 3-Durability, due to having less technology, it is a machine that will last longer, I have heard that the Barista Pro (BP) has had many failures, and if they do not make a guarantee, it is a product that you will have to replace faster, since the repair cost is much higher. I'm really almost determined to get the BE even though I know I'm going to miss the speed and power of the Milk steam of the BP. My impression when trying Barista PRO was that the cream coffee was extremely good, but I did an experiment, I used the BP grind and shot from BE the cream came out almost as good as in BP, so I think it's just a matter of finding the perfect grind in BE The advantages that I find in BE are really more important to me. Practicality (I don't have to spend time and filtered water to heat the portafilter). DURABILITY and TEMPERATURE Advantages of the Pro automatic cleaning empty tank indicator power to froth milk Best for cappuccinos Disadvantages DOES NOT HEAT PORTAFILTER (Which forces you to take a free shot and waste water, and also counts as a shot in the computer and you will have to descale faster) Durability. Due to more modern technology there are more factors that can fail. Extraction temperature lower than that of BE approximately 10 degrees Celsius less at BP In my house there are some lights that blink at the time of extraction. But this may be due to my electrical installation or the quality of the lights.

[@Jennifer-tx6dj]

What do u recommend then?

[@ul3m8]

Coffee newbie here: you need to warm up the metal portafilter for 20 minutes? What? How is this done?

[@olivierhochstrasser455]

You just put it in the group

[@pat.himanshu]

Great video. If it was your first purchase (I understand that it’s not a great upgrade option) would you choose the express or the pro?

[@LifestyleLab_]

If your budget can allow and its a first purchase, go with the Pro! Its a better machine

[@rodeyhamzahamzah9469]

@@LifestyleLab_ Aaaa glad to know this, because somehow I already ordered the Pro after watching a review by someone but I forgot who....

[@bernedettefillmore3088]

Do you recall the colours of these two machines? I'm wanting a matt black express....

[@LifestyleLab_]

The Express isn’t offered in matte black. Only the more gloss colors and stainless.

[@AlexGlasse]

Really helpful mate. Answered all the questions I had. My parents have the bariesta express which I love and was considering getting the pro for myself. Now will just go for the express. Thanks 👍

[@robertruica6912]

As a first coffee machine which one would you recommend? If the price difference is below 100 EUR between the two models, would it make sense to purchase the Barista Pro? Thanks.

[@LifestyleLab_]

If the price difference is that small, I would go with the Pro. It is a better machine overall

[@robertruica6912]

@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks a lot for your quick reply! By doing my research, I read about some issues encountered with the Sage Barista Pro: (i)water is only at ~70 degree C hot and (ii) not warming up your cup. Are these real issues or it's just because of not using the machine properly? Thanks again!

[@LifestyleLab_]

Not hot enough water is not an issue. This machine has plenty of temp adjustment. It IS true that the cup warming tray doesn't get very warm, because the thermojet heating system doesn't give off much heat

[@paulinprum365]

Thank you ! This video very helpful. I am a newbie to espresso machine. I bought the express still in da box. After watching ur video i am exciting to use it.

[@MarkusBohunovsky]

So, given that you don't like the quality of the grinder, would you recommend to get one of the Breville Espresso makers without the built-in grinder? It seems that there is one available (don't know the model name now) that looks almost exactly the same as the Express, and is priced, so there would be a few (seemingly better) dedicated grinders that are available to complete the package for a similar price. Or is there some other advantage to having the grinder integrated?

[@LifestyleLab_]

If you have the budget to buy a dedicated grinder, I would absolutely encourage it, keeping in mind though, that a better grinder like a Eureka Mignon or even Sette is going to cost around $500 on its own. The advantage of the integrate grinder is exactly that, it's integrated! It saves a lot of counter space. Going with the Breville Infuser (or dual boiler) and a better quality grinder will produce better espresso than the Barista Express or Barista Pro.

[@Jun-if8if]

Is there a difference in terms of performance between Breville Barista Express Black, the Stainless and the Red? I find that the Black version is a bit cheaper in my location.

[@LifestyleLab_]

No, these are purely visual differences

[@runs_on_coffee]

I actually like heating the milk more slowly, makes the milk a lot creamier and finer. I'm not into latte art but i do appreciate those that due it, just to much effort first thing in the morning and I like drinking it rather then looking at it. Whish you would have demoed the steam wand on the Barista Pro rather then the Express. I also agree with having the pressure gauge I like being able to see if I can get the same pressure for extraction every time.

[@davidmcdonald8893]

He doesn't actually have the Pro - that's just a photo

[@vinnieneutron]

Sure he does. He just didn't have it in the the studio with him. So...you're wrong, too.

[@sinaartist5975]

Hello Gastroback 426616 or DeLongi Ecam 23.466s which do you find better?

[@LifestyleLab_]

I dont have any experience with either of those machines

[@ectoplasmicentity]

The barista Express looks like a beautiful machine. I'm really thinking of buying one but the price is swaying me to continue brewing coffee home. Someday, someday...

[@mstina0717]

Thx for such an elaborated analysis and comparison!❤

[@miscgloryofficial4527]

some other videos mentioned the 'finer adjustment resolution' desired for the express model is achievable by removing the basket and grinder burrs at the top and making a finer adjustment there - have you done this or utilised this in your personal brewing?

[@LifestyleLab_]

The top burr adjustment will give you a wider range of grind settings, but not finer adjustment between steps unfortunately

[@miscgloryofficial4527]

@@LifestyleLab_ ok thank you!

[@hanyghabriel3237]

I have the Barista express for a while now. I tried endless times to get the recommended 18gm beans in, coffee liquid 36ml out in 30 sec using the single wall double shot and maintaining optimum pressure (11-12 clock) but impossible to achieve. If I grind too fine then pressure shoot up to 2-3clock, if coarser then time is something like 20sec. I grind fresh beans from local roaster using the integrated grinder. From what I understand the machine is designed for high pressure with no OPV (seen some people play with the internal valve to readjust this to limit the pressure, but not keen to open machine as it also lead to more water waste into the tray). I am not sure if you managed to obtain this optimum criteria and what would be the most to priorities in-out-time and ignore pressure? and if so wouldn't that lead to bitter coffee. Any advise is highly appreciated.

[@LifestyleLab_]

Ignore the pressure gauge, the "espresso range" marked on it is flat out incorrect. This is widely agreed upon. Focus on dialing in your flow, and MOST importantly, TASTE!

[@dsmpampis]

Great review! What do you think about the Barista touch? I’m between the Barista touch and the Barista pro. Thanks in advance.

[@LifestyleLab_]

Between those two options I would certainly opt for the Barista Pro. The touch is simply adding a touch screen to the existing functionality of the Express. The Pro has a couple nice improvements to the performance :)

[@storybook3587]

Do you have a comparison of the barista touch vs barista pro ?

[@djnordberg]

If you pull a shot without coffee with the portafilter in it, is it possible to cheat the waiting time it takes to warm up ?

[@LifestyleLab_]

You can! Or soak the portafilter in boiling water for a couple minutes

[@djnordberg]

@@LifestyleLab_ What about the grouphead then ?

[@LifestyleLab_]

The shower screen itself doesn't carry very much thermal mass, so it will heat up with any water that passes through it. And because we aren't dealing with a massive group head like an E61, the biggest considerations really are water and portafilter temp

[@Gk2003m]

2:00: it need not take anywhere near that long. Immerse your portafilter and holder in hot water, it’s ready in seconds. You can even use the steam wand for this purpose. 6:55: so for an extra hundred bucks, you expected not only improvements in heating and in convenience features and in grind resolution BUT ALSO improvements in grind quality and portafilter size? I can see wanting those improvements, but I can see where Breville imagines that the improvements you’ve gotten for a hundred bucks are worth the price difference

[@alfonsop.4518]

Hello. I was going to buy the Barista Express but found out that in my country the Barista Pro costs 100 dollars extra. What do you recommend?

[@LifestyleLab_]

For only $100 more I would go with the Pro if you can afford it!

[@diverhose]

Thank you for the intelligent, important pros and cons and what is really important...not just making espressos or lattes. Also thank you very much for mentioning the grinder and size. I am lurking and will be for a while until I take the plunge.

[@davewallace5766]

What about the sage barista touch? Im looking at getting my first coffee machine... Much difference with that?

[@LifestyleLab_]

The extra money you're paying for the Touch over the Pro isn't worth it, in my opinion. You just get automatic steaming and a touch screen... if you have the budget, get the Pro. It's a great machine, with all the performance of the Touch for less money. If you're very tight on budget, or never make milk drinks, the Barista Express is the way to go for the best bang for your buck

[@davewallace5766]

@@LifestyleLab_ thanks for the reply😊i mainly make latte for myself.. Theres offers on amazon for the expresso version at the minute also... Decisions

[@StopSpammingOriginal]

We went back just 4 days ago from the pro to the express. Milk frothing didn't work, it leaked and simply didn't deliver. Maybe we got a dud, but even though the Express is louder, slower and more clumsy, it still provides better coffee and milk frothing.

[@LifestyleLab_]

Definitely got a lemon if steaming was worse on the Pro than your Express. It is much faster. Texturing is different with a multi hole steam arm

[@StopSpammingOriginal]

@@LifestyleLab_ Interesting. We got somewhat better results replacing the new Pro nozzle with the old one.

[@LifestyleLab_]

You’re definitely just more used to a single hole arm than a multi hole from your years with the Express. I’m the same way. My Decent DE1 is a single hole, and it takes me a couple days to get used to a multi hole when I switch machines for review. Just two different techniques :)

[@StopSpammingOriginal]

@@LifestyleLab_ Could be, but this one only generated a lot of temperature - but no froth. It was weird.

[@LifestyleLab_]

@@StopSpammingOriginal adding air is 100% technique. Not a panarello steam arm.

[@GigiR247]

Which one would o get if both the same price?

[@LifestyleLab_]

The Pro is a better machine. Same price, definitely go with the Pro :)

[@adyoon]

With black friday deal, the price difference was about $250. Not sure if its worth paying $250 more for Pro

[@cynthiameadows2714]

I’m looking to buy my first espresso machine and I really appreciated the comparisons between the two. I was surprised to hear you state that each machine takes 15-20 minutes to fully heat up. I haven’t seen that mentioned in any of the other reviews I’ve watched. I apologize if this sounds redundant but does that mean you have to turn the machine on and wait for 20 minutes before you can use it

[@LifestyleLab_]

Yes, or, you can turn the machine on and run a few blank shots (no coffee) to heat up the portafilter if you don’t want to wait. Just remember to dry the portafilter before adding your coffee for the real shot :)

[@audrius.l4677]

Nearly bought Pro, but after your video not now! Thanks, very helpful ;)

[@jeffreymoreau]

Where I live the price difference is roughly a $100, so I’m fine with spending up even for the slight differences. I’ve read a lot of reviews mentioning that the new machines like the touch and pro have temperature problems. Is that a big issue with these? Wondering if I should stick to the tried and tested Express. Maybe it’s just that you hear about the bad apples than all the positive reviews. Any thoughts?

[@BigTrip23]

Does the Express ever go on sale? I was hoping it would drop a little bit on Prime Day, but it didn't.

[@amiraloves04]

Great comparison! Very happy with my Barista Express

[@jonseenah2484]

My Barista pro doesnt heat the group head or attached portafilter, even after an hour, they're still cool to the touch. Is this normal?

[@LifestyleLab_]

Yes, unfortunately the thermojet machines do not heat the group or cup warming rack very effectively

[@russellhammack8666]

The big plus to the Pro is the 9bar pressure. I believe the new expresses do the same now, according to their web site anyways. As I have an older express that runs 12-15 bar pressure, I believe it’s worth the upgrade. I really pondered getting a dual boiler but truly for my house, I don’t need the faster work flow. I roast my own coffee and I can honestly say I pull way better espresso shots than the big coffee shop chains

[@wanzacharywanisa5762]

I just brew mine from the 3in1 sachets. Taste good too

[@jiinx72]

Tbh was hoping the Pro would of had a better grinder Vs the original. Yes the display is nice but changing temperature wasn't hard on the original. All in all there's no game changer made to the Pro that makes it a better machine. Already got a digital timer as in my phone. Currently using a Sage DTP and Pro grinder. Was looking at Barista Pro as a upgrade and space saver. After this it'll be the original or sit on my hands for another year and go for the dual boiler with a Niche Zero grinder.

[@johnbalogna803]

ok I'm looking to dive in and understand you don't think the price point on the pro is worth the extra 100 in price. All that aside which do you think will be easier for a person new to this game to master???

[@LifestyleLab_]

At a $100 difference, yes the pro is worth it. At the time of publishing, and in certain markets, the price difference is upward of $250

[@johnbalogna803]

@@LifestyleLab_ got it thanks

[@zanafer]

There is an Oster Barista Pro in the Latin American market. Would you say it's the same machine with just a different name?

[@nickdion1908]

Upgraded to the pro from the express. Reason was the grinder and frother. The express is great, just see the pro as my forever machine now with the minor fixes.

[@cpg8000]

The Pro is indeed the superior machine. I had an Express that malfunctioned, and so I returned it for the Pro. For all the reasons he outlined, I believe the Pro is noticeably better. The question is whether one already has an Express- upgrading to a Pro is probably not worth the money. I believe that to be true. But, for somebody shopping for a new machine, I’d take the Pro every single time over the Express as it’s only $100-200 more, and the pressure gage is fine but totally unnecessary

[@garydunken7934]

Corono virus lock down and 3 month of WFH meant we had to buy a coffee machine. To my surprise in here Melbourne (Australia), almost every electrical goods shop had run out of popular models. Finally on the 6th store I walked, there was one last in stick of the Barista Express BES870 black model. Now WFH is much more enjoyable.

[@konte1995]

Hi, what do you sugest me to do if i have a chance to buy Barista Pro for 20 euros extra, is the Pro better than Express?

[@LifestyleLab_]

Absolutely go with the Pro! Its a better machine all around, just not worth the full MSRP price difference. The new steaming is amazing!

[@konte1995]

@@LifestyleLab_ In croatia, i have the barista pro for 780€ and the express is 20€ cheeper

[@LifestyleLab_]

I'd go for the Pro :)

[@susanscovill6817]

Very good and fair vlog. Even pros monitor gauges and the exclusion on the Pro is noticeable. The timer is a nice addition but then what would I do with all my espresso toys? Lol. I need to add that the hot water spout has been moved from the right side more toward the centre of the unit. Less spillage on countertops. Cheers from Canader eh!

[@BrawndoQC]

The boiler on the pro is also much faster. For me anyway. I feel I've to wait forever when I use my express.

[@gbejarano01]

So I decided to watch this because this is the second time I have to send the Express back to Breville, they offer for $297 plus tax and shipping a repair or a new machine, well a year and a half ago I had this issue with my previous one and now again. So I did not want to spend the $297 again, instead I bought the Pro and to my surprise I have found that Breville offers only 1 year warranty for the Express while they offer 2 years for the Pro. I haven’t used the pro yet but all considered maybe the upgrade is worth it, not because of the product only but because they offer a 2 year warranty, I hope this one won’t break as the Express but if it does at least it will be covered for 2 years instead of 1 year.

[@dann5515]

what if you first boiled the water then pour into the coffee machine filter so you dont have to wait so long and ready to serve?

[@LifestyleLab_]

Yes, many people run blank shots, or put the portafilter under hot water to warm up faster

[@Sepiaischeating]

I'm interested to know if you actually used the Barista Pro or based your decision on the key features without using the model. You didn't have one for the video and used a stock image overlaid, so just wondered. Not saying that invalidates your opinions, just alters them slightly.

[@LifestyleLab_]

Hi Peter, certainly a valid question! I have extensive experience using both machines, I just wasn't able to get a pro physically into the studio at the time of filming. Hoping to get it in studio in the future to do some more videos with it.

[@VincentAmari]

@LifestyleLab_ if price was the same, which machine would you have? Genuine question, as I have a discount for the Pro that eliminates the difference.

[@LifestyleLab_]

Same price, definitely go with the Pro Much better steaming and build

[@VincentAmari]

@@LifestyleLab_ I believe you are right, I've been stuck on liking both the look of the Express and it's pressure gauge. By the way, as the water tank is at the back and I'll need to place it against the wall inbetween kitchen units top and bottom, do these have some indicator to warn when water is low or will it simply not allow you to brew?

[@LifestyleLab_]

The Pro has an indicator and will shut off the heater if the water is empty. The Express unfortunately does not which is inconvenient, and CAN be damaging to the machine if you run it without water

[@VincentAmari]

@@LifestyleLab_ thank you very much for your helpful replies 🤗

[@zefe3886]

I don't get what he means at 1:55 . 20mins to heat up brewing components while pointing at the portafilter? Can someone explains to me what he means? You need to heat up portafilter basket? 🧐

[@LifestyleLab_]

Precisely, you need to heat up the portafilter so that it does pull heat away from the espresso while it’s being made. Metal is a quite good heat sink

[@PonzooonTheGreat]

I've found that on the Pro, no matter how long you leave it on, it won't get hot on its own. You have to run a couple of blind shots to heat everything up.

[@LifestyleLab_]

Yes, this seems to be a downside of the new heating system. Runs very cool so doesn’t get the group up to temp on its own

[@FandyMSaputra]

is that a bad thing or good thing? im newbie..

[@LifestyleLab_]

You want the portafilter hot before pulling a shot.

[@joelf5565]

Thank you for the concise video. It’s currently a $100 price difference, but doesn’t seem like worth the upgrade to me either. Especially since it gets rid of the pressure gauge. And I actually prefer to not have a digital display. I like the extra physical buttons rather than toggling through a digital display. Although I like the fact there are many different color options on the pro.

[@Mudig]

Does the Oracle Touch use the same grinder as these or is it better?

[@LifestyleLab_]

Same grinder

[@NE110M]

how are they compared to lelit ? I worked as a barista a couple of years ago, so i am a little picky!! (we used La Marzocco). Now i am looking for something to my house.

[@LifestyleLab_]

It's a different level of machine. These are both definitely consumer level units. As a Barista, the steaming power on the Express would drive you crazy (very slow), so if you're deciding between these definitely go with the Pro. Something like the Rancillio Silva might be more familiar to you

[@NE110M]

@@LifestyleLab_ Yea, i was going to buy the Express, glad i found this video (subscribed too). my concern is the delay between brewing to steaming, and the time until the filter heats up ! .. i think (correct me if i am wrong), i should be leaning toward a Dual Boiler in the breville lineup.. i'll check your recommendation too. thanks :D ..

[@LifestyleLab_]

The Pro is really neck and neck with the Dual Boiler in terms of performance, and you get a built in Grinder. Check out my Breville steaming race video!

[@NE110M]

@@LifestyleLab_ thanks :D.. i'll check them all.. your videos are really helpful.

[@marcoandremartins]

Would you keep the same opinion if the difference in pricing was just 85€?

[@LifestyleLab_]

No, this comparison is at their respective MSRPs. The Pro is an overall better machine, if the prices are that close, go for the Pro

[@jasonmiles8572]

If you want to heat up the group head just run it under hot water

[@slow_clumsy]

What?

[@vinnieneutron]

He said if you want to heat up the group head just run it under hot water.

[@alabalala]

anything to recommend in the same pricing range as Barista Pro, but better?

[@LifestyleLab_]

Nothing in an all-in-one form factor like this. However, the Gaggia Classic Pro we just released a video on, combined with a good separate grinder would give slightly better quality, albeit with less "features" than the Breville

[@azhardhawan7390]

Great machine for the price - had it over a year and no issues

[@fitzytom]

So, here’s my dilemma, I’ve the BBE for a year now, I’ve got really into coffee and have bought everything you could imagine for a 54mm portafilter, calibrated tampers, levers, distribution tools, dosing funnels etc. Range on grinder is my biggest grip with the BBE. I’ve been pulling pre-infusion only shots for ages now so that has sorted out the channeling issues. I could also do the OPV mod on the BBE. I’m not an espresso drinker, if it’s a good shot, I make a piccolo / flat white, if it’s just ok, I make a latte!! ‘Upgrading’ to the BBP is relatively inexpensive as I could just sell my BBE, upgrading to the Niche grinder and a BDB is a considerable investment. Should I just upgrade to the BBP now to have a little bit more control, available grind size and fun, then if I feel in another year or so that I want to take it further, then upgrade the grinder, then a year later upgrade to the BDB?? Would the expensive upgrade make my flat white taste that much better?? Slightly long winded but I hope you understand my conundrum. Advice, guidance, perspective all welcome.

[@LifestyleLab_]

Because you're making primarily milk based drinks, I think you'll be very happy with an upgrade to the Pro. The transition and steaming speed of the thermoJet machines is a significant improvement. It may even hold off your desire to move to a separate grinder and dual boiler for many years!

[@fitzytom]

@@LifestyleLab_ many thanks for the sensible reply, my wife is now your fan 😂 I think you’re right, the Pro still allows me to play with extraction to improve my espresso and I still have my pour overs etc to keep me interested!! Cheers for the quick response!! Thomas

[@daves6384]

Well played. Took me awhile to realize the Barista Pro is only an image.

[@LifestyleLab_]

Not trying to fool anyone! Haha Just didn't have the Pro in my studio at the time of filming

[@Sardaukar_7]

Thanak for this comparison buddy. Your channel is gr8. Please continue the same way. 👊🏼

[@gezor20]

So did i understand correctly that with these machines, you need to wait half an hour in order to be able to get your morning coffee? Is that the same for all of these machines in this category? I was not aware...

[@LifestyleLab_]

They should sit to heat up property, yes. The Breville's use a thermocoil system that warm up the internals VERY quickly, but the portafilter also needs to be hot before brewing. You can speed up that process by soaking it in hot water for about a minute if you are in a rush.

[@LongHoang-ys3js]

You can start making coffee after around 30 sec after turn it on. But "Enthusiastic" coffee lovers can taste the difference with the machine turned on for heating for 30 mins. Therefore they waited the machine turn on for as long as they can wait to start brewing.

[@adamf.8564]

IMO: upgrading to the Oracle is definitely the way to go. Don't mind the price. You spend more by buying coffee out in coffee shops. It adds up in no time!

[@ahlads]

I originally had the barista express, then bought the touch. Now I have a rocket Giotto. The difference is obviously stark from the Breville/Sage appliance’s to the rocket machine. Having said that the touch was not in any way worth the money mainly because of the heating system. It does not keep the brew head warm and therefore locking your portafilter into it makes no difference and it needs to be heated separately. The express at least keeps your portafilter warm. Really annoying having to heat the portafilter separately. The express is worth the money but nothing else in their lineup is. For the same price as an oracle you can get a prosumer espresso machine. Also I would add the myth about steaming milk in prosumer machines is indeed that. More steam power equals more control. I can steam milk in about 10-15 seconds on my rocket compared to a tedious minute on one of these machines. I will admit the touch automatic steamer is handy but I still get better results on my rocket.

[@dsmpampis]

ahlads I’m about to buy a Barista touch but now after reading your comment I’m gonna think it twice.

[@ahlads]

dsmpampis it has admittedly come down in price since I got it (I paid €1000 for it when it was released) still would not buy it.

[@Khangtonio]

ahlads how’s the rocket compared to all of the breville? I want to eventually get it.

[@ahlads]

Antonio To no comparison. The rocket is in a different league.

[@dsmpampis]

I'm gonna buy a Rocket Apartamento!

[@shannon277]

Just wondering ,Can barista express makes nice cappuccino foam?

[@LifestyleLab_]

Absolutely!

[@zickhardy]

yes!

[@lesterestrella3801]

Yes

[@sow4now]

Excellent compare and contrast

[@juliusheigl1015]

Hey, thanks for the great comparison! Are these two machines the exact same size?

[@LifestyleLab_]

The Pro is actually a half inch wider and 4 inches deeper than the Barista Express. Both are the same height

[@juliusheigl1015]

@@LifestyleLab_ Thanks for the quick reply!!

[@DavidPetryk]

Ok why the heck wouldn't you turn both steam wonds on to show us the difference in heat up time??

[@LifestyleLab_]

Because the Barsta Pro wasn’t actually on my bar in this video so that would be hard…. But you can watch the multiple other videos we do have on the Pro! kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zourc5iiarx0rbc kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGrLiZh5q9Sni9U

[@DavidPetryk]

@@LifestyleLab_ and in those you show the side by side steam comparison? I will have a look. Thanks for quick over view video non the less.

[@LifestyleLab_]

The first link is a video purely comparing the steaming speed of all Brevilles :)

[@DavidPetryk]

@@LifestyleLab_ awesome thanks

[@imlatteagain]

Is the missing pressure gauge on the Pro negligible? (like is the timer a better substitute in checking dose?) I noticed from my research that many complained about the removal of the pressure gauge, and as a novice myself I’m concerned that I would have a harder time evaluating my dose based on the timer built in the Pro alone, as compared to actually seeing the pressure exerted during extraction with the Express. If price isn’t a problem, should I still go with the Pro?

[@LifestyleLab_]

If price is no option, absolutely go with the Pro, it is a better machine overall. Measuring the shot time and dose is a better indicator of taste than the pressure gauge anyways.

[@imlatteagain]

2M views Nice, thanks for your insight!

[@BigPoppa-t3z]

Well you can run a blind shot there fire heading the group head wait another 3 secs pull your shot. You dint need 10 15 minutes anymore. That’s old. Plus thermo jet will last longer than thermo block plus you will have more power on a thermojet than a block. The block only has a small channel at a time fir water to flow unlike the jet that has the whole Coil to optimum temp. I do agree with the grinder though your right. I agree with the video. Don’t upgrade unless you get great price on it.

[@JetroHeller]

Thank you for this, I was days away from buying the Barista Pro.....what machine would you suggest please so the same sort of money....

[@LifestyleLab_]

The Barista Pro is a great machine, and if it suits you budget I still recommend buying it! However, if you are tight on money, the point of this video is that the Barista Express can make the same quality coffee, in the same form factor, for less money

[@JetroHeller]

@@LifestyleLab_ Thank you for your reply....appreciate the positive feedback and great content.

[@Malibuflatliner]

could i use 2-3 of these machines to run a small coffee shop while i wait for a commerical unit

[@LifestyleLab_]

You'd want to go with at least the Dual Boiler, but even then, they really aren't built for commercial duty cycles. Check out something like the Rocket Appartamento or The V Slim as a possibility to tide you over

[@black.beerd.gaming]

Is the Steam power stronger on the barista pro? I have trouble texturing milk on the express

[@LifestyleLab_]

Watch my milk texturing lesson! kzbin.info/www/bejne/il6plp-bnc-Ulbc Yes, the steaming is slightly more powerful on the Pro, but for beginners it's actually easier to LEARN on the Express

[@passdasalt]

When my express broke down after 6 years and was not worth fixing, i had this exact dilemma. I chose to buy another express for these same reasons that you just outlined. The pressure guage was very important to me as well.

[@shawnsmith4182]

Fun fact.....if your machine breaks down after warranty, you can send it in to Breville for $250, includes packing and shipping both ways (I asked for a discount and they gave me 25% off, so it was around $180). They not only look at that particular problem, but go over the whole machine, if they can't fix, they will send you a brand new one! Beats $700 for a new one retail

[@passdasalt]

Update - My second express broke down after only two years. This time I went for the Pro. I actually love this machine! Start up is like one and a half seconds. Steaming seems way faster and with four holes it's easier. I thought I'd miss the gauge but the display has a timer so you know if you're dialed in. Plus the black truffle looks awesome! My advice - go for the upgrade.

[@ronin0096]

Does the pro still have a digital pressure gauge or none at all

[@LifestyleLab_]

Unfortunately, none at all

[@redwindow9378]

Total newbie going in, budget not issue....which should I buy, Express or pro - just want the best shot and milk quality

[@LifestyleLab_]

Price no option, buy the Pro! It is a better machine from a usability and build quality standpoint. Shot quality and milk will be very similar, if not identical between the two.

[@redwindow9378]

​@@LifestyleLab_ Alternatively since viewing your other videos....would an infuser and Baratza Sette 270 be a better set up than the pro offers? Better grind on a stand alone grinder? Any other suggestions for grinders in a French Press, drip and espresso family? Thanks from Van Isle B.C.

[@LifestyleLab_]

@@redwindow9378 If you drink primarily espresso and Americano drinks I would go with the sette/infuser combo as it will actually produce a better shot than on the pro. However, if you drink mostly lattes and cappuccinos I would still opt for the Pro due to it's better heating block and steaming speed

[@sophiechouman3550]

Lifestyle Lab Hi, thanks for all the useful information you’ve given, I want to ask if you have any information about Sage barista Express? And would you recommend it as the Breville or not ?

[@cadizwilmo9687]

Thanks for you honest review and opinion. I'll stick to my Express.

[@bertobertoberto3]

How long does it take to make a latte? I wanna use it for a small coffee shop

[@LifestyleLab_]

Neither of these machines are remotely appropriate for a small coffee shop unfortunately. Both from a speed and durability standpoint

[@bertobertoberto3]

@@LifestyleLab_ do you have any suggestion? I’m looking for something that’s not too expensive. Not very busy shop. Also you can use an affiliate link I don’t mind

[@LifestyleLab_]

How many shots / lattes per day do you anticipate making?

[@bertobertoberto3]

@@LifestyleLab_ around 80 give or take

[@LifestyleLab_]

You will need a commercial machine for those quantities... no real way around it. At the VERY minimum something like the La Spaziale S1, or a higher-end ECM or Bezzera. Even those are not completely commercial oriented

[@Usuf01]

Thanks, good video. Received by Express 2 days back and still learning on how to use it. One thing I am finding difficult is put on the portafilter, Its seems very tight when turning either way. Is that normal? or because its new?

[@passdasalt]

Yes it's because it's new, it will loosen up. It can also be too tight if you overfill the portafilter.

[@gloriasanchez3824]

I got same price for both, but 3 things I concern about the PRO: DURABILITY, the temperature is not hot enpught in the PRO , and the portafilter does not heat up, it has to be heated manually. what for me is a real annoyance, waste of time and water. Someone who has the PRO for more than 2-3 years and has not had failures?

[@tonyb282]

Great review, is their another brand that is as good as the express that does have the bigger potafilter better grinder? Thank you

[@LifestyleLab_]

Thanks! The Barista Express pretty much tops the segment with built in grinders in terms of quality. You can potentially get better quality for the same money by going with seperates. But in terms of an all-in-one, the Barista Express is king

[@deidraharalson]

@@LifestyleLab_ I don't have either at this time should I still get the Barista Express or the Pro?

[@LifestyleLab_]

If your budget will allow, go with the Pro. It is a better machine overall. If your budget is very tight, don't feel bad going with the Express. It still produces great quality drinks, just not as quickly

[@janem2149]

Very helpful info, thank you for sharing ☕

[@diemthund]

Thanks for honest and straight-forward reviews. Help me make my decision!