Brexit put Britain in crisis - and politicians aren’t talking about it

“I think that was the greatest act of national harm that this country’s probably done for a century.”
Lord Rose is “shocked” the main parties aren’t discussing Brexit in the run-up to the election.
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[@rdevans4097]

Rose has never met but considered Sunak a decent man. He also has not met Stammer but couldn’t comment on whether he was a decent man. The words double and standard spring to mind.

[@bc5295]

Especially since the available evidence points to the exact opposite.

[@seebarry4068]

​@@bc5295yeah I can't believe Starmer cashed in on the big short, his pool was bought by foreclosures. Whilst Sunak bought his mum a donkey sanctuary. Was that about it?

[@Lynnefromlyn]

@@seebarry4068careful,there are idiots out there who will believe this and be repeating it over and over. Satire is , if not dead, very poorly.

[@martalli]

President Carter might have been the most decent man to ever be president of the United States, but he was not a very effective president.

[@williamhenry8914]

​@@seebarry4068 Careful I'd say the satire will be lost on most people sadly.

[@evaluateanalysis7974]

For at least half a century the British establishment has been seen as basically honest. Bankers and MPs have destroyed that. Sunak was a banker and is an MP.

[@royboy565]

Tories, tory press and media are the ones to blame. Bankers have always been dodgy.

[@Morhek]

The word "banker" is doing a lot of work here. Rishi Sunak billed himself as an old-fashioned "boring money man" when he ran against Liz Truss for the party leadership, but he's a hedge fund manager - a gambler with other people's money - not an actual banker. And he also didn't stick to it long - he finally got the job by throwing that away and promising more of the same by appointing Braverman, when he could have tried to pivot to something less radical and more popular, and by the time he dumped her it was too late to pivot. The Tories aren't sinking BECAUSE of Sunak - they're sinking because of decades of institutional incompetence and corruption - but he's certainly not helping.

[@Nemothewonderfish]

A bad banker. He really wasn't very good, he only went somewhere after he met his billionaires wife. Favours ....

[@tomwalsh2244]

Lol Honest…ask the Irish that! Ask the Māoris and the aborigines. Ask the million Indians Churchill starved. Only the brits see themselves as basically honest, the rest don’t.

[@agnescraig2912]

As an Indian migrant myself feel Sunak the banker concentrating on getting wealthier is the only thing on his mind as with most Indians. Altruism is rarely on their minds. What Sunak's greatest achievement for his parents/in-laws is that as a practising Hindu he was made PM of Britain. The Colonisers ruled by the Colonised as Indian media claim. Was a very sad Day for me when he was foisted upon us because of this mindset.

[@smokiedapoo2]

When you dump a girl and you’ve realized you were the one in the wrong.😮‍💨 Now you’re too proud to go crawling back.

[@jrr3613]

The “girl” won’t take us back and rightly so, we behaved like kuntz

[@backgammonbacon]

Where do people get the idea that Rishi is a decent man? There's literally no evidence for or against.

[@royboy565]

Compared to Putin, perhaps.

[@artistjoh]

It is the comparison with Boris, May, Truss, etc that makes Rishi look good..

[@agnescraig2912]

As an Indian migrant myself Rich Indians in India and all over the world are in this world to make money and get even richer. It is a mindset never changes with generations either. UK press always mention his wealth and his disconnect with ordinary ppl but the Indian media/Indians resent this.

[@ShanaChippy]

He's better than Boris.

[@williamhenry8914]

There's no point expecting leaders to seek to rejoin until the country has emphatically decided that's what it wants. Without an overwhelming rejoin mandate we'll just flip flop right out again, assuming the EU even allows us back in. I'd love to rejoin but I doubt it will happen in our lifetimes. We dug our own grave, now we're stuck in it.

[@agnescraig2912]

No mention of the boatloads of illegals and the Dublin Treaty. Instead Rwanda is paid for by us taxpayers. Surely Boris/Truss/Sunak must pay

[@christinefiedor3518]

The most honest and realistic comment on here! Well said.

[@chickenbites8877]

I always groan everytime I order a package from europe, only to get shafted by Import fees as a direct result of Brexit.

[@Stobb0]

And did you vote for Brexit…?

[@chickenbites8877]

@@Stobb0 of course not, I hate it with a passion!

[@Stobb0]

@@chickenbites8877 Glad to hear that. I was just checking…🤓

[@chickenbites8877]

@@Stobb0 it was so wonderful being able to freely trade with our European Friends, truly, I will never forgive those who pushed Brexit upon us, never.

[@Julian-zj2qy]

@@chickenbites8877 I'm with you on that one.

[@johnproton259]

I've never met Rishi but he's a decent man... 5 minutes later... I can't say Starmer is a decent man because I've never met him. F this guy, and F the conservatives. Vote to evict the tory. Vote smart, vote tactically.

[@Jack-ul8nn]

yeppp

[@agnescraig2912]

Rishi is a decent man according to Rose. Really? Generations of Rich Indians are interested in Wealth and more Wealth. Sunak is prime example he was born in the UK worked in US married the wealthiest Indian female so much for decency. Cannot change this Indian mindset. Few days ago the Hinduja Family, richest in Britain, were found guilty in Switzerland of "paying their servants in Indian rupees/confiscating their passports" Rest my case.

[@Boghopper9999]

To be fair, I always need to meet human rights lawyers before I can decide if they have ethics too 😋

[@CatholicSatan]

Is _The Times_ changing its tune a bit and what was their stance re BRexit in 2016? Research showed that in the first two months of the BRexit referendum campaign, of the 928 newspaper articles focused on the referendum, 45% were in favour of leaving the EU compared with only 27% in favour of staying. The remaining percentage were either ‘mixed or undecided’ or adopted no position. The findings also reveal that newspapers were more likely to quote Conservatives in the first two months of the campaign. Of the total number of spokespeople quoted in the articles, 36% were UK politicians, of whom 69% were Conservatives and just 14% Labour. The Times was relatively evenly balanced between the two positions, with a slight preponderance of pro-Leave articles. Do I detect a touch of belated regret here...?

[@concreteflies3457]

They will not talk about this as they will never discuss the size of their headphones either

[@damianleah6744]

So Rose wants to hear more from labour about growth. I say after 14 years of this circus we aren’t suggesting carrying on with these clowns surely.

[@michaeladkins6]

Who was in power?

[@Lynnefromlyn]

Compassionate conservative is a real oxymoron.

[@adrianm.2043]

not at all

[@martalli]

Conservatives can be great people. But the term itself is nearly a backhanded compliment.

[@mindless-pedant]

Beat me to it.

[@subroy7123]

Agreed.

[@kiriakoz]

@@martalli not if they support this Tory party. This party is beyond cruel and needs a complete reset. If I look at the Tories likely to keep their seats, it doesn't look like they'll get it any time soon.

[@JohnnyinMN]

Politicians don’t discuss Brexit is simple: 1. They know they cannot change anything with the EU. That includes your ‘single-market’ fantasy. 2. They know the English populace isn’t ready yet for the hard truths of what is necessary to join (again).

[@robinbishop468]

we will never rejoin, you may not like it but thats the truth

[@ridleyclayburn4599]

And the only real failings are the politicians who didn't deliver it properly because they didn't really want to leave in the first place!

[@gio-oz8gf]

@@ridleyclayburn4599 That's a Brexit supporter's response to every negative comment on Brexit. What you will never hear them explain is what doing Brexit properly actually means. They won't explain because it is complete and utter BS. You had five years in which every MP in the governing party was a committed Brexiteer. They all wanted to leave and we left with the deal they negotiated. A brexiteer's deal. Brexiteers messed up big time, and we are all paying the price. Now stop making a fool of yourself.

[@ridleyclayburn4599]

@gio-oz8gf The point is that they didn't want to leave and saw the process as damage limitation. Remember May and Robbins were remainers. Moreover, most of the commons and Lords tried all ways to stifle the process. It wasn't done well and the EU understably played on the division.

[@LenaBrazil-mp2nh]

​@@robinbishop468I think your wronge I think labour with there 243 majority will see that Britain is broken and will either take us back into the eu so we can fix Britain creat welaf great jobs we all know brevity was poisoned buy like off farage and Boris who wrote 2 articles and went with what way the wind was blowing brexit was a mistake eu said they would never take us back under thr Conservatives if they ever would but re joining this countrie must Try

[@RandyHolm]

As an American watching your election with great interest, I'm also surprised at how little Brexit is being discussed. I had assumed that it is, or should be, the root of the country's grievances with the conservatives. Maybe no one wants to pick at that self-inflicted wound just yet? Anyway, y'all give me hope that we can scrub the stench of Trumpism from our government this year too, since our political trends often follow yours.

[@backgammonbacon]

It needs to stay out of the news so the governments negotiators can work without the insane pressure the media spotlight brings. I am assuming we will join the customs union but just under a different name so Labour can claim they met their pledges of getting close to the EU and not joining the customs union.

[@royboy565]

​@dogglebird4430Our laws are decided by the UK parliament. The EU had no power to interfere. When the EU introduced laws for the betterment of the EU, the UK could have vetoed any law and it would not have gone through. Plus which EU law didn't you like that we supposedly followed?

[@saba1030]

​@dogglebird4430🙄 "The EU" ARE the EUs member states !! The EUs COUNCIL = the EUs member states GVTS and the democratic elected MEPs are the rule/law/decision makers in the EU. Every EU member state has one voice, Malta (about 550.000 people) the same as Germany (about 84ish million people), every EU member state has one voice !! After 47 years of EU membership and another 4 years AFTER Brexit you still don't seem to understand the EU and how it works 😂 Oh dear, so sad, never mind 😂

[@RandyHolm]

@dogglebird4430 As a citizen of California (a sovereign state which makes and enforces its own laws) I accept that my state is bound by some treaties (federal laws) to keep us on a level playing field with the other sovereign states and territories of the union. We all share a currency and agree to free immigration and trade with all of the other member states. We don't ever have to worry about our neighbors going to war (military or economic) with us. All people are guaranteed a certain minimum level of civil rights and access to services, regardless of the member state that we choose to make our home, though we may enjoy more in some states than others, as determined by state law. The federal government is just a large treaty organization with a military and the ability to collect and distribute tax monies to the states and individual citizens. Each member state elects representatives for the federal government, who negotiate the treaties that all states agree to abide by. We also elect a leader of the federal executive branch to oversee the limited operations of the federal bureaucracy and military. Most politics is local but people seem to forget that.

[@michaeladkins6]

@dogglebird4430 Our biggest trading partners are Mexico and Canada. Its easier that way.

[@adrianm.2043]

Well that is so refreshing to hear Lord Rose saying what i have been saying to family and friends more or less since the original campaign for Brexit where there was so much dishonesty from pro Brexit politicians over the benefits of Brexit. I have been a life long conservative on the moderate side of the party. I was a staunch supporter of Margaret Thatcher and John Major, the current lot however since and including Boris Johnston I absolutely despise. I will not be voting conservative until the party has reformed and got rid of the dominance of the right wing. I am not sure who i will vote for. Keir Starmer seems a decent and capable man, but I do not trust the left wing of his party. I may not vote at all if I cannot identify a candidate that isn't a Brexiteer, extremist (left or /right) or a crank. Indeed in fifty years of voting, i have never felt so disenfranchised by the lot that present themselves.

[@christinefiedor3518]

Sigh, when we joined the then common market in 73 without a vote there always was much scepticism, even De Gaulle was against it. There wasn’t a vote because Heath was afraid that he might not get the answer he wanted . The 75 referendum asked us it we wanted to stay in the common market. NOT what it was allowed to morph into. We were assured it was for trade and nothing else. Even Mrs Thatcher was beginning to express concerns. There are documents that confirm Heaths deception that lay dormant for 30 years and this deception has been perpetuated by successive governments like the likes of Michael Heseltine ( a loathsome man)and Ken Clarke who have vested interests. Heath admitted the deception shortly before he died. If people had done their homework more diligently and listened to the reports on various channels including from abroad they might have realised that there was a distinct possibility that a leave vote would win. It beggars belief that remainers had the temerity and the ignorance to call leavers “uneducated “. The 1975 vote was my very first vote and I took it very seriously . I voted to stay. However I will NEVER forgive the lie and deception.

[@johnproton259]

The Times has some front...The Times was pro-brexit all the way up to and for years after the referendum. An apology would be nice.

[@YellowfinGrouper]

The Times was anti-Brexit.

[@SBryt-h8g]

@@YellowfinGrouperlol. Hardly with fascist immigrant Murdoch 😂

[@richardpiper4828]

@@YellowfinGrouperit was the Sunday Times that came down in favour of Brexit. Presumably Murdoch was not sure which way the vote would go so wanted to have a two way bet. Incidentally the Mail on Sunday supported Remain much to the anger of Paul Darren, the Daily Mail Editor in Chief. It will be interesting to see which party The Times and The Sun opt with their GE support. Express seems to have plumped for the Tories rather than Reform.

[@michaelmorgan9289]

As are many people still.

[@martalli]

I grew up near a covered bridge in rural Illinois. There was a town there once - the first town built in the county. They built the covered bridge hoping to attract the stagecoach, but only finished the bridge after the railroad came to the area and the stagecoach stopped running. The town is long gone, over a hundred years now, with nothing left but the bridge. Some decisions aren't an either/or choice. Some decisions are an invitation to disaster, and it seems that Brexit was one of these choices.

[@phoqueme]

What is the name of this town? Sounds like a fascinating story

[@frankhyland6333]

And you with Biden as President🙈

[@martalli]

@@frankhyland6333 Unfortunately, we have no good options

[@martalli]

@@phoqueme This is between Chatham and Glenarm in Illinois. This is all documented in a book called Sugar Creek: Life on the Illinois Prairie

[@frankhyland6333]

@@martalli Yes you do, get Trump in there and get your country back.👌

[@johnnevada46]

We can really see the morality of the disaster crew that brought us Brexit.

[@kimkristensen2816]

If you wont learn from past mistakes, you are likely to repeat them in the future

[@archvaldor]

I can't believe people think Boris was still the best choice. He was thrown out after three years by his own party for breaking his own laws. The only person who can't admit he was wrong is this failure of an old man.

[@2ezee2011]

Brexit was probably one of the most successful efforts enemies of UK have done. Even from across the pond I was astounded that enough people thought they could be like the Empire again by being the solitary island. Hubris is punishing.

[@annaclarke7643]

Exceptionalism is part of the British psyche. There's nothing wrong with loving your country and being patriotic, but letting these emotions get in the way to the point of destroying your economy is financial suicide.

[@evaluateanalysis7974]

"they could be like the Empire again" Lol That's a new one. Nobody, but nobody, thought that.

[@marcusgibson3899]

The UK economy is doing magnificently, thank you.. no thanks to the US, of course.

[@bigkanuna]

The Commonwealth was bitter when Britain entered the single market. They are now moving closer together as Europe falls apart.

[@Ooze-cl5tx]

@@bigkanuna Oh yes, im sure the Commonwealth cant wait to submit to british rule now that the UK graces them with its revered presence again. Or maybe they are still bitter? You never know unless you try. Good luck.

[@alanjenkins1508]

The common market is all the UK people ever voted for. Things started to go wrong when the EU parliament was introduced.

[@bertoverweel6588]

How is it posible people still beleve charlatan Farage? Hold on, Farage would leave the country, right?

[@Bluejohn]

It was Cameron who gave the referendum, not Farage, and Cameron wasted no time in doing a disappearing act did he ?

[@davidpearson243]

I voted Tory in the past but after Brexit never never never again

[@robinbishop468]

you have a problem with Freedom ???? Its not just about money.

[@davidpearson243]

@@robinbishop468 I had the freedom to work live or retire in the EU now that “freedom “ has been taken away The UK parliament was always sovereign Ask yourself why didn’t we have the Euro

[@michaelmorgan9289]

@@davidpearson243 You can always retire to an EU country if you don't like it here. Besides that your UK pension will still be index linked unless the EU decides otherwise.

[@ellebee6712]

They were just carrying out the democratic will of the people. The British had voted to leave and so they had to deliver that.

[@davidpearson243]

@@ellebee6712 There should never have been a referendum

[@RichardForster-gu1ww]

The only hope for the UK is to dump brexit ASAP.

[@royboy565]

Brexit is here to stay. The E U wouldn't want us back and we are left with a shrinking economy, a voice in the world no one listens to and our influences are now virtually non existent.

[@adrianm.2043]

It is what i would like but it might not be so easy. If i were Europe I wouldn't want us back in.

[@RichardForster-gu1ww]

@dogglebird4430 Thats not what Badenoch says.

[@22wabbit]

Poppycock. Remember there was a democratic vote to leave the EU, accept it, live with it and get on with it. Its people like you who are the reason why the UK hasn't thrived post-Brexit.

[@Nemothewonderfish]

If someone amputated your leg, you can't "dump the amputation"! EU will say "go away you must be joking" if UK asks to rejoin.

[@robert-gs4ih]

Brexit didn't break Britain. It simply showed that the country was divided and these divisions came to light. The blob hated Brexit and has worked against Brexit since day one. The TINOs never wanted it and have worked against it. The Brexit debate was lost by the Remoaners years ago. They need to understand that and move on.

[@TariqMcFadzean]

It’s all politicians , from all parties, and the two examples are partygate and betting, yep, all politicians, what a muppet.

[@dribrom]

Brexit was the most idiotic thing that has happened in the British Isle sense 10.000 B.C

[@agnescraig2912]

Grimsby voted for Brexit and secure our borders because of the buffoon Boris with his Lies. Now Tories are silent on the Dublin Treaty with the boats loaded with illegals from France. All those who voted for Brexit were not informed about this migration issue but the smugglers were.

[@christinefiedor3518]

You could say that also was joining in 73 WITHOUT a vote was equally idiotic. But Haeath was concerned that a vote not give the answer he wanted. He admitted to this shortly before he died. The government documents that confirm this deception lay dormant for the statutory 30 years. And remainers had the temerity to call leavers “uneducated”. The sheer arrogance (ignorance) of it was astonishing.

[@michaelmorgan9289]

What happened in 10,000 BC that was so idiotic about the British Isles?

[@anonUK]

​@michaelmorgan9289 The Britons (Welsh) turned up, having crossed the ice over the Bay of Biscay over the Channel to chase mammoths or whatever- and decided to stay here...

[@michaelmorgan9289]

@@anonUK That's a result as it means my family history goes back at least 20,000 years.

[@a.cameron207]

We, and the rest of the world, have been in crisis from multiple events since 2008. Brexit is not particularly important.

[@philthrelfall5294]

It just made our lives in the UK a bit less bearable...... for no apparent reason, other than vague idea about "sovereignty"‽!

[@summer031977]

Brexit was a self-inflicted wound.

[@ColinGarner-h1t]

Nonsense

[@Julian-zj2qy]

Yes. It's a self-imposed economic sanction.

[@summer031977]

@@ColinGarner-h1t Nonsense?? Name some benefits of Brexit?

[@ColinGarner-h1t]

@@summer031977 the EU won’t last much longer they’re allegedly corrupt , broke and begging members to give them more money . We’re well out of it . We don’t want to be ruled by Germany .

[@ColinGarner-h1t]

@@Julian-zj2qy The EU is in economic crises , they have no money . I’m surprised they’re still going !

[@TEKANNON-bz9fm]

As someone tuning in who is living 2,000 kilometers from Kiev where a war has been going on for exactly 2 years and 4 months tomorrow, what I think BREXIT has done for your country is wake up the sleeping giant Great Britain has been and put it back on its feet as an emerging superpower. There is no pain without gain, and countless British people have lost out terribly in spite of the gains in sovereignty in the UK going out of the EU where it was a respected and contributing partner, but what 8 years has done is put your country back as a military force able to handle its own fate and others at a time when the world needs a superpower that only the UK can provide. It's in your DNA, the military mindset of The United Kingdom is not only unique; it is second to none. You do not need all the kit in the world to be victorious on the battlefields of the 2020s and beyond; but what you do need is to have the mindset and the UK excels in this trait. I am not an expert and as an artist certainly not qualified to judge any geopolitical situation, but to me Former Prime Minister Boris Johnson is the architect of putting the UK back on the map so-to-speak in being the first world leader to openly come to the aid of Ukraine still in shock and fear of being overtaken and declaring unwavering military and economic and moral support. Britain has trained tens of thousands of Ukrainian soldiers along with NATO countries and its allies and the results are coming in with statistics showing how well the Ukrainians are doing in spite of the drip-feeding, disgraceful way the west has delivered crucial weapons needed to fight the world's second superpower. Someone said after Great Britain Brexited, "How are we going to re-negotiate over 700 trade deals?" That is when I was convinced that the UK made the right decision, because you have had to clean house and put your country in back in order and become a military power and a leader in a world that gets more dangerous by the minute. Lastly, what I believe Great Britain needs to consider putting into operation rapidly is a space command and its own space station which would be an excellent backup to the ISS and also have you covered with eyes in the sky and space fighters which will be needed sooner than later. Lastly, you can also go back in the EU again now that you are a world superpower and have had time to find yourself and re-establish and re-define your mission on earth. Slava United Kingdom, Slava Ukraini...

[@nicolass7102]

Brexit mess

[@rmyronovich4382]

I believe that anyone would have made a better PM than Johnson!! Even the lettuce!!!

[@adrianm.2043]

Agree, the only worse liar on the world political stage is Trump.

[@tezinho81]

Even now the best boost to the economy would be to rejoin the customs union and allow small business to buy and sell from the massive market in our doorstep without friction. But that would be rule taking without any influence on the making so it's verboten, and just reminds us of what idiots we were to give that influence up.

[@tezinho81]

@dogglebird4430 how much are those new trade deals with our commonwealth freinds worth, and how does that help a bloke making high end bike frames (for example) sell any more? Brexit fanboi

[@royboy565]

​@dogglebird4430Our overall trade with Europe is down 23%.Goods now coming in to the UK are subject to delays because of all the added bureaucracy, extra forms, extra checks, extra time, which leads to extra costs. Lots of businesses have either stopped trading with the E U or cut it down because of the extra costs and time delays. As time goes on this will get worse not better. Many florists have stopped buying flowers from the EU because of the time element and have suffered as a result plus businesses who depend on "just in time" goods have lost business. It's just a disaster.

[@royboy565]

​​@dogglebird4430Fistly I wasn't wrong about the EU laws. UK had a veto and overall trade is down with Europe by 23%.A simple Google will show you that and a month or two ago the UK started to check all goods from the EU coming to the UK causing millions of pounds to businesses so much so the CBI informed the govt that many smaller ones who relied on imports from the EU will not survive. Why do you think the govt waited and waited before they implemented the checks? They knew it would have a big impact on businesses and as such the unemployment figures are on the rise again. The fact is only the deluded or mis informed think brexit is still a good idea. That's why all the polls for the last 18 months has seen brexit regret rising. The latest figure I saw was 62 to 38 for wishing we stayed in the E U. Democracy doesn't mean one vote lasts forever, that's called dictatorship. People are allowed to change their minds in a democracy or don't you believe that?

[@royboy565]

​@dogglebird4430 UK had a veto like every other country in the E U, Overall trade with Europe is down 23%,a simple Google will show you the figures. Democracy doesn't stop, it's ongoing otherwise what's the point of it.? It's called changing one's mind. Brexit promised lower prices, higher wages, less immigration, how's that going? Since the checks have come in business costs have gone up along with unemployment. It just isn't working kidda.

[@royboy565]

​​@dogglebird4430Read my comment again, it's accurate and true and explain the benefits of brexit to me. We were promised lower prices, higher wages and lower immigration. Not going well is It? Every business who imports from the EU is effected by brexit. Just in time businesses include the car industry, food industry, engineering etc. Hardly cherry picking..... Do some research.

[@deviousdescent9010]

I suppose the reason politicians don't talk about it is because brexit was a one way ticket to oblivion. We're stuck with it, no amount of talking will change that fact. 🇪🇺

[@Julian-zj2qy]

UK could rejoin. It could happen. It should happen.

[@gabrielmcdermott9483]

@@Julian-zj2qy Unfortunately The EU may have a different opinion.

[@deviousdescent9010]

​@@Julian-zj2qyThat would be fantastic but the chances of that happening in our lifetime is pretty much non existent.

[@fcassmann]

​@@Julian-zj2qy No. We don't need brexitannia. 🇪🇺🇳🇱

[@vullings1968]

​@@Julian-zj2qy UK can re-apply. Slight nuance....

[@narvickdevil]

Their's only 2 questions you need to ask yourself before you vote , is the political toss bag your voting for , are they on the take or are they totally incompetent or both. Welcome to the British political system 🤑

[@Keithlfpieterse]

DENIAL is a key feature of politics! It is the reason why politicians never solve a single problem but instead create more problems. If they were to solve problems gripping society it would make them redundant - or so they think! Nuff said.

[@theresenydahl9531]

I appreciate how Lord Rose is so straight forward in a sensible way, an extreme rarity in British politics.

[@MrOliver1444]

Sunak a decent man 😂

[@Julian-zj2qy]

The charge of the Brexit Brigade. Onwards to economic isolation.

[@sisensi3721]

I'm glad we voted Brexit All of the right people are upset about it and it has destroyed the Conservative party

[@hugodrax71]

Sadly the British public is also culpable here, those who voted Leave. We had a referendum, in 2016. This seems to get forgotten. Stay in the EU or Leave. And nearly 17.5m (51.9 per cent) voted Leave.

[@radman8321]

Politicians are supposed to lead. Sensible Conservatives should have called out Brexiteer Tories as crazies and UKIP friends as fascists, but they refused to engage in blue on blue fire. They put party before country again. They allowed liars to spread their lies unchallenged.

[@robertsaunders6511]

The Tories never delivered the Brexit we were all promised. Their were loads of promises made to convince us to vote leave & none of them were delivered

[@nicolass7102]

Uk is not united anymore

[@therealrobertbirchall]

It never was united. Scotland has been used and abused by the "British" ruling class since the 16th century.

[@AnotherPointOfView944]

Nor is the US.

[@royboy565]

UK has always been a divided country as are most countries in the world.

[@royboy565]

UK has always been divided.

[@Steven-vo4ee]

@@royboy565 Nothing like within this ten year period

[@jsmcbach5935]

The SNP seem to be talking about Brexit. Hmmmm.

[@Tini_Scrapitti]

Talking about it will require developing a plan, which it seems nobody has the capacity to do. And executing it could have an even worse outcome than the current situation (based on British excellence as observed during the last few decades).

[@edmurth]

Never met Sunak but knows he’s a decent man, not met Starmer but can’t say if he’s decent. Political hypocrisy at its finest. As for him being a working man, if he’s unsure just tell him they’re the ones in Asda on a salary probably a hundred fold less than his.

[@andreasarnoalthofsobottka2928]

As you know from the joke about the old man who, as a young man, was caught with his pants down in the stable, that you will always be called out for your biggest mistake, while all your achievements will be forgotten.

[@OnChords]

Brexit was a bad idea poorly executed. Shame.

[@agnescraig2912]

Yes that buffoon knew this and now could not care less. Going on about resigning from the best job in the world with his constant Lies

[@christinefiedor3518]

David Cameron’s fault as he told the civil service not to bother planning for a leave vote because remain would win the day. And he walked away.

[@robert-gs4ih]

Is France doing well? Is Germany doing well?

[@themanftheworld8439]

REFORM UK

[@philthrelfall5294]

Agree entirely. We need to reform the UK electoral system.

[@joanweightman2275]

We also haven't seen any coming together of Business bosses wanting to share HUGE profits with the workers who make it for them. A real worker should be able to afford to live wisely and save for treats and holidays. Business men still have those things but deny workers the benefits of trade.

[@seebarry4068]

11:11 there will only be about four tories left to fight for leadership. 😂🤷

[@kjbrewer3]

In the last100 years the tories have been in power for approx 72 years i think . But unfortunately Labour will be in power for 5 years and then corruption and division will come back with the backing of the media. My only hope is that in the 5 years HONESTY , INTEGRITY and PROFFESIONALISAM is brought back in to the politic`s of the UNITED KINGDOM.

[@12presspart]

well we can only hope labour do have a better record of putting the country first unlike the torys putting themselves first even despite the gutter right wing press saying labour just spend other peoples money

[@autouniontypeA]

Didn't the Times say voting Brexit was going to be a good thing?......

[@einseitig3391]

Quite right, Brexit not mention and the EU would not want us back any time soon considering the combined Reform and Conservative vote is greater than 30% despite the harm of Brexit. But worse Brexit alone has not put the UK in this position rather Brexit has shone a torch on the fact that our service based economy, post the Great Finance Crisis (GFC), is not up it. North Sea oil revenues made Britain look wealthy. Destroying our industry and relying almost solely on Financial Services to provide wealth via the discredited trickle-down economics was always going to be a challenge if and when the Black Swan of the GFC struck. Our gig economy is attracting scores of migrants to drive mini-cabs, delivering parcels and food but GDP per capita is falling . No Brexit and the rapid loss of European migrants only highlighted what a Cinderella economy we have. Overall migration is at its highest ever, with the population rising from 58m in 2000 to 68m in 2023 leading to ever increasing house prices and rents and local and national governments keen to squeeze tax payers despite real wage growth declining. Almost a perfect storm. As a country we have to swallow our pride and undo those policies we know have caused us harm but Brexit is out of our hands; perhaps EEA or Single Market Membership if they will have us. But also higher income tax, more council houses not only built but bought on the open market too to staunch rents. Plus a myriad of policies that have failed. All need to be reversed.

[@12presspart]

you can foget the EEA Norway will veto us straight off

[@soton5teve]

Tories actually* their blame anything

[@Murlena888]

BRITIAN was broken long before Bruckzit 😂 This place will never get any better kmt

[@hecter3008]

He believes in importing cheap labour.

[@endintiers]

Jeremy Corbyn was at least not a criminal at heart like Boris.

[@ninjaneville]

I can't, for the life of me, understand how saying that Corbyn would have been better than Johnson is in any way controversial. It seems so self evident. That people are losing their minds over it is quite astounding.

[@dub604]

True.. But he was/is a Lexiter... so f**k him.

[@dub604]

@@ninjaneville I have house plants that would have been better than Johnson.

[@JMK948]

@@dub604 And a head of lettuce.... You can finish the rest.

[@philipmarsden7104]

@endintiers: He was never in a position to be tested, mostly because he was never bright enough, though he has come very close to treason many times. He's in his mid 70s now and is still a student union politician, never learned anything new, never changed his mind and never changed his unswerving loyalty to the Soviet Union's political philosophy and is still willing to court terrorists that hate the UK. He was voted in by thousands of Tories erroneously let in to Labour membership because they knew he was unelectable.....even a liar like BloJo could beat him! BloJo was a disaster and Corbyn would have been, perhaps just not for the same reasons.

[@mikesmith5139]

There is no such thing as a compasionate Con-servative. That really is an oxymoron.

[@Joekd6.1]

No wonder Reform have overtaken the hated Tories

[@royboy565]

The average of all the polls puts Reform on 16% and the tories on 21%.

[@frankford1115]

Brexit is done. Get over it. Lead.

[@raven4592]

The civil service,ie the establishment made sure it was never going to work,exactly the same as not carrying out the government wishes on immigration.

[@Bluejohn]

Isn't it about time everyone stopped crying about Brexit and got on with putting the country to rights ?, and if Brexit was so bad why is the rest of Europe starting to lean the same way ?

[@khalidrashad-xu8xe]

Britain has been fixing the whole world with fasteners with helical thread , got addicted to it and now doing the same to itself 😂😂

[@jeffsmith3392]

The Elephant 🐘 in the room is the blue rinse won’t vote for a little asian man.

[@12presspart]

true it mainly was the blue rinse that took us out of the eu they did not like all the bloody furoners with their funny accents comming to the country taking all the locals jobs (jobs tha the locals would not do)also were going to need extra housing who is going to build them now that the polish brickies plumbers have gone home never to return also a lot of NHS staff highly skilled nurses doctors dentists have left we stopped apprenticeships some years ago not needed we are now a service industry country i wish people would have thought about the consequences of leaving the biggest trading block in the world

[@jondoe1622]

Really?... you don't say... next thing, you'll tell me that covid saved western democracies... 🤭

[@Cannon_Fodder_Russians]

He has to say it because there's a lot of demented dimwits out there who still think Brexit was a good idea.

[@thehealinggame]

Stuart Rose is right about Brexit, but Business was rightly "demonised" for some of their corrupt practices, with bankers and chief executives also awarding themselves massive bonuses for no good reason. For example, look at the water company and post office executives !

[@ptseti]

Brexit will likely be avoided in discussions much like Britain’s role in slavery is often ignored. Both topics bring too much embarrassment, making it easier to act as if they never happened. By staying silent, they cover their shame, avoiding the pain, guilt, and embarrassment associated with these events.

[@WinstonMelbourne-vt2vt]

nothing will get better until we end Brexit, it might take years but the sooner we start the sooner things will get better, End Brexit we were all better off when we were in the EU

[@EllieD.Violet]

The UK cannot 'end Brexit' - the EU could, if she wanted. Spoiler: she does not - for a variety of reasons. She profits from Brexit. Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺

[@WinstonMelbourne-vt2vt]

@@EllieD.Violet we will see like I said IT will take time , BUT it will happen

[@EllieD.Violet]

@@WinstonMelbourne-vt2vt It MIGHT happen if no EU members veto the UK - you shouldn't bet your Greek daughter's life on it. Your wife might not fancy losing a child. Because you can rest assured that for the upcoming 50 years .... they will be vetoed. Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺

[@kxjx]

They didn't actually listen to Corbyn's Labour Party policy platform, it was actually quite a moderate centrist platform. They are mixing up Corbyn's own personal platform for what he presented as leader. He very much presented the party platform as agreed. Say what you like about Corbyn he is a democrat and is capable of putting the coalition platform forward rather than usurping with his own.

[@bigd4561]

Because they do not want to. Vested interest at work and the common person, peasants, pay the bill. Camouflaged royalty.

[@MantisEnergy]

Why is it shocking they're not discussing the disadvantages of brexit? You've had almost a decade to get used to that environment

[@1984Scholsey]

My 50% salary increase because of Brexit did not put me at a disadvantage at all, however Sunsk increasing the money supply by 40% for COVID and the inflationary aftershocks this has caused as eaten away at my spending power. Not Brexit, I'm afraid you are being misinformed.

[@MantisEnergy]

@@1984Scholsey Interesting! I restrained myself to simply saying "discussing the disadvantages", but you're right, I am quite dyed in the wool.. What is it you do? I'm all for information that challenges my opinions.

[@agnescraig2912]

@@1984Scholsey What has Sunak done about the £5bln COVID corruption and all the PPE Kit. Still have 40+ boxes of the stuff from my son's small dental practice which has yet to be collected by NHS.

[@1984Scholsey]

@@agnescraig2912 Exactly needs a full inquiry with criminal proceedings brought to those who are found to of broken the law. That's not going to happen if labour or Tory get in.

[@Withnail1969]

I don't think it mattered either way. European countries like Germany are doing very badly currently too.

[@timsimmons5953]

Has Sunak said he was wrong about Brexit.

[@madcapjourneys9014]

Some people need to keep talking about Brexit instead of moving on and making it work neither Tories and labour can achieve that goal time for a change vote reform

[@charlesbruggmann7909]

What does “making Brexit work” mean in the real world? Traveling back in time to 1952?

[@sisensi3721]

@@charlesbruggmann7909 Making Brexit works means leaving the ECHR for starters

[@deviousdescent9010]

What's the ECHR got to do with Brexit?

[@JoeMichael-kl9iy]

Well said. Europe is a mess and on the verge of breaking up.

[@JoeMichael-kl9iy]

​@@deviousdescent9010everything

[@nicolass7102]

Brexit disaster

[@bwilliams572]

Brexit wasn't the disaster, the government was the disaster and they are about to get their just rewards 🗑

[@ellebee6712]

Nothing to do with Covid lockdown? And more latterly Putler’s antics effecting the oil prices?

[@johnwhite4197]

The whole world is waiting on pins and needles who wins in Superpower Britain!!

[@Nemothewonderfish]

😂

[@GarethMachin-rb2sg]

I bet the head of the gambling commission is a card carrying tory the Met police has said today they have not been contacted by the GC. Long grass and all that.

[@ruckandmaul5018]

Brexit did not put Britain in crisis - politicians did! Deliberate obfuscation, deliberate backsliding, and failure to implement polices designed to overcome Brexit issues are the problems, not "Brexit". Blaming Brexit itself is a deliberate example of spin or as Putin would say "maskirovka".

[@philthrelfall5294]

The 'ideal' Brexit was undeliverable, because Brexit was different to almost everyone who believed in it! The real problem however, is that Brexit divided Britain. Johnson fostered a Britain that was either for or against. Gone was the intelligent dialogue & spirit of compromise. Instead you just had winners & losers, but in the end, we all just became losers!!!

[@EarthCitizen3]

Nigel Farage of ReformUK party is talking about it. Do better.

[@michaelmouse4024]

The brexit Paradox is that any govt capable of delivering brexit wouldn't. The brexit reality is that voters shrewd enough to decode brexit rejected it. Result - an inept/venal govt conned a minor majority of gullible/deluded electors

[@DarrenKWSmithers]

this the same guy said I WILL NOT APPOINT A CHAIRMAN because there's not one who's as smart as me, when asked in M&S AGM why are you the CEO and Chairman for M&S

[@jamescherriman1633]

And when reform gets into power , Brexit will continue 😉

[@philthrelfall5294]

"Continue" to what? Fester & rot?!

[@foppo101]

How could anybody listen to a proven liar called Boris Johnson is beyond me.That is the level of intellect we are dealing with in the UK.We dis and the country paid the price.

[@Paulo-ov4yo]

It was broke before that!

[@philipsmart3895]

Conservatives and Labour are worried about Reform because they will both lose out in the coming decades. Brixit hasn't been implemented and this has been planned. The Tories have set it up for Labour to take Britain back into the EU who are broken without the UK. Those who voted for Brexit will eventually migrate to Reform. Labour will bring massive tax rises and argue returning to the EU for trade will be the only way out of a negative economy that will be created by their tax plans with more of the UK plunging into poverty. The Tories are just passing on the batten to Labour to implement the next phase of the greater plan. They're one and the same - don't be fooled!

[@chrimbus71]

did it put France and Germany in crisis🤣🤣🤣

[@michaelmorgan9289]

"Brexit broke Britain". What a misleading but understandable statement from one who voted against it.

[@12presspart]

brexit is going to be like a slow puncture rather than a absolute blow out its gonna be be 5 to 10 years down the road when we are gonna feel it

[@michaelmorgan9289]

@@12presspart According to your comment you’re not feeling it now. 5 to 10 years is a long time in politics & I hope the Labour Party, if they get into power, don’t mess it up.

[@philthrelfall5294]

Brexit brought us Johnson & Johnson finished the work of dividing Britain, that Brexit had started. It is going to take decades to repair that damage.

[@uncleants]

They aren't discussing Brexit but they aren't discussing any of the issues that matter to most people ... and neither are you or any of the media for the most part. It's D-Day, betting, just how badly the Tories will lose ... and pretty much nothing about what we might actually be voting for.

[@maxthemagition]

Labour obviously will get a majority because everywhere you hear from the media and the papers says so. Most Tories do not want to be in power any more because they know how bad the situation is for the UK. When the Labour get into power, expect much higher taxes just like after both WWs. Our debt has increased to unsustainable levels since the 2008 banking crisis.

[@davesandall4530]

Sunak apologised because he was told to not because he wanted to and is he that idiotic that he didn't figure out it was wrong to leave the DDay celebrations

[@agnescraig2912]

@@davesandall4530 Yes but it is also this power thing which devours most people who lose their senses. Personal experience.

[@michaelmorgan9289]

Are you saying that Labour will win outright because the BBC & other socialist media outlets say so? Gullible or what?

[@NextstopEverywhere-k1v]

Insider trading/ lobbying payments investigation for all the previous government ministers.

[@DrawnInk1]

Poppycock. Brexit didn’t break Britain the politicians did for not implementing policies that would make it work.

[@philthrelfall5294]

But Brexit was never "workable", a) because almost every Brexitier had a different view of what it should look like, and b) because nobody in the Leave camp ever bothered to try to get the buy-in of the majority of the population, who had not voted for it!

[@toomuchstupididty6311]

OK... what policies would make it work ?

[@lindacadogan6616]

I agree that Rishi Sunak inherited a poison chalice following Johnson and Truss!

[@albertmcmullen2669]

This woman and her class think that these two parties are relevent. Most of the population have discarded these two charlatans.

[@michaeladkins6]

One of them anyway.

[@andrewwmacfadyen6958]

Apart from the extra costs of being outside the EU the loss of moderates from the Conservative party under the incompetent Bojo and pals costs us dearly

[@MrDaiseymay]

Lord knows, should join Biden on the Funny Farm

[@LiamHanilton-ko8kg]

Dam right it did. Fear.

[@jasonzisser6441]

Good interview but what's with Cathy's headphones? looks like she's landing the space shuttle.

[@francisravenscroft-dw6gi]

What is the purpose of business ? to make profits for the business.

[@LonesomeTwin]

While you're all continually introspecting on Brexit you might not be noticing that the EU itself is slowly imploding.

[@davidtams1218]

If Brexit hasn't worked it's purely down to the politicians not accepting the result and doing their damndest to change it or block it.

[@philthrelfall5294]

The Conservatives wanted Brexit. Johnson won an 80 seat majority, based on "getting Brexit done", and........they all failed! A properly functioning Brexit is undeliverable!!