'Brexit saved lives': Tory Lord lists benefits of leaving EU | LBC

"That is important if you value human lives."
A benefit of Brexit is that it saved 'hundreds, or possibly thousands, of lives' claims Lord Peter Lilley.
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[@user-lu7qh9hj3n]

Lies, lies and more lies. Get these virmin out.

[@chatham43]

...is there something wrong with your spellchecker...this isn't the first time...!

[@slaneyside]

@@chatham43 where is your question mark?

[@CryWillus]

@@chatham43 Have you considered starting sentences with capital letters or ending questions with question marks?

[@chatham43]

@crywillus......yep I have...but that would mean you would have nothing to moan about...😊

[@sibermansgames2110]

​@@chatham43Yet, you were "moaning" about op's spelling.

[@leej2000]

The irony of a Lord claiming democracy...

[@opinion3742]

Well this is why they talk of sovereignty, because they are the c***s that are in charge, and no one is going to be asking us where this country should go from here.

[@eddiecalderone]

He was an elected Mp before and served in numerous cabinet and shadow cabinets

[@leej2000]

@@eddiecalderone Was - you said it. The man is an idiot, whinging on national radio about democracy while being a member of an unelected house

[@flippy66]

@@eddiecalderone And now he's a completely unelected Lord. Being elected to a different job is irrelevant.

[@eddiecalderone]

@@flippy66 He’s a member of the U.K. House of Lords, they discuss U.K. issues (as in what effects the U.K.) but they don’t initiate legislation. Unlike the eu commission. Also eu commissioners don’t have the best interest of any member state at heart, (not even their own, their allegiance is to the eu treaties. You just despise him because he’s a tory

[@davidmurphy7332]

Except that we developed and began to roll out the CVOID vaccines while we were still part of the EU - Brexit had nothing to do with the success of that program.

[@petelawless811]

You talk like you know but you know nothing

[@Andrew-vx2ls]

@@petelawless811 Completely true. And the "Johnson vaccine" was unused outside brexitland.

[@Richard_Turner]

In fact after leaving the uk slipped to below the top 10 very quickly.

[@marcusbiggestfan6998]

@@petelawless811 actually he is right, vaccine rollout was started when we were still under the EMA (European Medicines Agency) using EU regulations

[@Glasgow_kiss]

@@petelawless811 except from the fact he is right. still in the EU transition period when pandemic started and vaccine roll out started

[@andycross8374]

Brexiters just keep on lying and lying.

[@corneliuscornia3189]

Exactly 👍

[@chatham43]

....and remoaners continue to moan like kiddies sent to bed early...😊

[@Silver-st2zq]

​@@chatham43Wee haz hour blew pass port.

[@britnatzaredemocracydenier5922]

Liebor are a Brexit party the red Tories ain't getting my vote

[@rajabuta]

Copium 😂

[@FlyingKeo045]

Continuing Brexiteer lies !

[@Rogersung]

What lies? We knew what we voted for. It's the remoaners who are holding Brexit back.

[@ThomasKing19933]

I voted Brexit and it ruined peoples lives. I still feel guilty for my decision.

[@kayew5492]

You do the best you can with the information you have. I'm sure you thought you were doing the right thing but you were lied to, and that's not your fault. A lot of time, effort and money went into those lies.

[@mythologue]

We should blame the people who deceived the public, not the public themselves. It's not the voters who should be shouldering the blame and I loathe the fact that they're forced to.

[@paulbannercheck7585]

Don't feel Guilty for voting Brexit i was a so called Remoaner you where lied to like the millions of others it was a big fat Torie lie if you have lots and lots of money you just keep wanting more and you dont care if you sell your soul to the devil to get it.

[@hvhvgitaar]

Millions were spent on the disinformation campaigns that led you to believe what you did. Much of it came from Russia, but most from the tax avoiding business community that funds the Conservative Party. They were desperate to escape the EU’s drive to clamp down on tax avoidance. It was a matter of billions for them, so they were prepared to invest millions.

[@chatham43]

....no you didn't...not a bad try though...😊

[@gogosegaga]

Yes because speaking to a pro Brexit lord is going to get you a truthful answer when he's probably profiting off it. We should ask the average person how Brexit has affected them. The loss of freedom of movement in their own continent. The erosion of rights, and they are getting poorer and having to experience the worst inflation amongst its neighbouring countries.

[@hendrx]

To be fair, restricting freedom of movement was one of the key points, to stick it to the immigrants.

[@gogosegaga]

@@hendrx stick it to the immigrants? It hasn’t worked, immigration numbers are at record highs because we need so many to come from other countries outside the Eu to do jobs because of the labour shortage caused by brexit. And the rights of UK citizens were also damaged as they loss freedom of movement in the eu, we loss that right after leaving and now the opportunities of the young to travel and move abroad in Europe which is their continent are gone forever.

[@hendrx]

@@gogosegaga im not saying it worked but "decide who gets into the country and control our own borders" has always been a two way street.

[@randyvalantino6850]

Hers is a benefit of membership the uk population since tony blur with uncontrolled borders has exploded and got to levels now that uk young people cant afford a house , or even rent a house all uk services hospitals schools policing and prison services are at breaking point even the road system is a mess . People voted brexit to control borders but the establishment decided not to . A benifit that should have been

[@gogosegaga]

@@randyvalantino6850 right but it's not that the government chose not to control the border it's because they can't. They are now a rule taker within Europe and not at the table within the EU to manage the migration properly. At the end of the day the labour shortages from the loss of EU workers migrating mean this government has to take in immigrants elsewhere from India, Africa and Asia so the economy does not completely collapse. None of these issues were discussed and explained clearly to people.

[@michaeldavison9761]

So if Sweden could follow an independent route, surely that demolishes the argument we would have been 'forced' to follow a general EU policy. the man is deluded.

[@davidcrosier2761]

Sweden didn't follow an independent route as far as vaccine procurement was concerned. They applied a different policy in terms of lockdown measures... But yes, Lilley is lying about Brexit meaning we could opt out of the European procurement programme. The UK procurement scheme was set up under EU law, as was explained at the time..

[@Mark-yy7iz]

Or both? Or I am being to kind...

[@chrissilver7719]

Don't use facts against them its unfair 😂😂 His first comment about the lack of democracy in the EU as a member of the HoLs, set the tone.

[@benghiskahn3673]

Same with Hungary buying vaccines from Russia.

[@petelawless811]

@@chrissilver7719another know it all you are a sausage do more research before you talk like you know everything

[@xdylanwx]

"Do you want me to answer the question?" *Proceeds to not answer the question*

[@simonevans8979]

That's politics for you.....

[@ryanoneill4691]

He got caught with his pants down flat out lying 😂

[@alanlynch3737]

The country can only heal when it finally acknowledges its failing. The only brexit benefit is that the tories could be obliterated permanently...

[@ukwerna]

the two only things that actually mean "moving on"

[@Owen-dc5jk]

This man's astonishingly ignorant and didn't seem to realise that Britain was represented in the EU by elected MEPs who we elected here in Britain.

[@paulstewart6293]

He's not ignorant he doesn't care. And a liar.

[@apollomemories7399]

So what, they were powerless against that intollerant corrupt cabal that runs the EU. Cameron was denied consideration for UK's interests - considering how much money they were pumping in - on no less than 72 occasions and was turned down. Far too few people, including you, realise this.

[@aleph8888]

The EU Parliament doesn’t get to rewrite the Treaties. But the EU courts do, and yet they ban their judges from writing dissents; EU judges are banned from dissenting.

[@stuartcastle2814]

It's also worth noting that the commission were voted in in their own countries. You could argue that we don't vote for them, but no one outside of his (or her) constituency votes for our Prime Minister. They are chosen by the winning party. It's just as undemocratic. I am a remainer and a rejoiner. Our government also had the right of veto while in the EU. They CHOSE not to use it.

[@raymondo6665]

@@stuartcastle2814 .....so the only way to show disapproval was to vote to Leave.......

[@urbanimage]

Peter Lilley claims the UK was able to approve the vaccine more quickly because of Brexit. This is not correct. Under European law, the UK was permitted to act independently to approve the vaccine. The head of the MHRA, Dr June Raine, has been clear that the vaccine was approved under EU law. Asked directly whether Brexit made the process quicker, she said: “We have been able to authorise the supply of the vaccine using provisions under European law which exist until 1 January.” It's annoying and sloppy when interviewers let these falsehoods go by virtually unchallenged.

[@Silver-st2zq]

Lilley is yet another Tory who thinks we are all as thick as two short planks.

[@urbanimage]

@@Silver-st2zq Very true, but if they keep getting away with repeating these lies a lot of people will believe them to be true. Matt Frei should have been ready to counter the vaccine lie as it comes up so regularly from these Brexiteers.

[@jamisbillson4872]

It’s not a free press mate. And that’s dangerous.

[@stewie7338]

Hi - The Tory is actually correct here. Most people have forgotten this. It had nothing to do with autorisation. The UK quickly put in orders over a number of suppliers. However the EU 27 went through mass centralised procurement and were behind the UK because they were negotiating on price. When the UK started rolling out a number of EU States started kicking up a fuss. The EU then threatened to seize vaccine shipments saying they were manufactured in the EU. The Rejoin lobby here naturally agreed that the EU was right however the UK still got the shipments. Remember Vaccine Nationalism.. this was the next tactic of the pro EU zealots in this Country desperate to crush any possible benefit of Brexit. They demanded the vaccines belonged to the World and that the UK was being selfish. Remember no one is vaccinated until the whole world is vaccinated? In the meantime EU states like Poland and Hungary had expressed a wish to buy outside the EU procurement plan and were threatened by the EU with fines. In the end the EU backed down and they bought their vaccines from Putin i.e. Sputnik amongst others. The final twist was the pro EU shill you mentioned saying we approved the vaccines under EU Law i.e. completely ignoring the fact that procurement was the issue and hence the myth was born.. we could have done this in the EU and hey look EU States bought outside the EU procurement programme.

[@tomonetruth]

@@jamisbillson4872Don't see how this has anything to do with free press. The OP described it as "sloppy" journalism - I think that's about right.

[@maartenaalsmeer]

Didn't Brexit cause a shortage of EU doctors and nurses working for the NHS, resulting in longer waiting lists for procedures, checks and operations? Longer waiting lists usually *cost* lives.

[@chatham43]

....no....that was the disastrous lockdown...remember that..?

[@dimitrius-r5sgamingchannel388]

​@@chatham43Ok, so how did lockdown cause a shortage of doctors and nurses working for the NHS?

[@davidcrosier2761]

Doctors, nurses, care home staff... Surely no-one can believe that Lilley cares about other people's lives...

[@jujutrini8412]

⁠@@chatham43🤡

[@blurtam188]

And now it's waaaay worse!!

[@elloco1996]

As a Dutchie with a background in political journalism I volunteer to interview this Peter Lilley caricature. He won't last 5 minutes.

[@corneliuscornia3189]

Please do it👍

[@karencattelldeves3815]

Please do it.

[@Silver-st2zq]

👍

[@tartansnow81]

Do it.

[@anerandros22]

I will get the popcorn!

[@ovidiumiinea5462]

The amount the Conservatives wasted 12 billion sounds like a bargain

[@chatham43]

....yep....the cost of lockdown will be with us for years...tories have alot to answer for.

[@kerryfry1857]

Exactly 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@vivburgess4300]

Yes, benefits for him and his Tory cronies. No need for food banks when the Westminster trough is open to government at the public expense.

[@randyvalantino6850]

Had we had control of borders and not uncontrolled immigration for years maybe we would have no food banks , maybe young people would be able to afford a house and actually have children . Maybe we would have more affordable rents .

[@williamfowles2940]

​@@dc6807Really? Wow.

[@django3422]

@@randyvalantino6850 How is that the fault of immigration rather than bankers being irresponsible?

[@randyvalantino6850]

@@django3422 If the population goes up but investment in schools hospitals dentists housing policing prison service and road system does not people become worse off demand for houses go up . If you have an endless supply of cheap foreign workers and you stop investing in apprenticeships and training you will have a labour shortage . Years ago only the cream went to university now most kids go again because we have no apprenticeships and training because its to easy to bring foreign labour in . Our young people will pay the price , cant afford a house or have kids .

[@williamfowles2940]

@@dc6807 Wow. You really have been drinking the kool aid haven't you!

[@jasonbradley3062]

If ridding the UK of unelected law makers is such a hot topic for brexiteers, where are the calls to abolish the house of lords?

[@infidelcastro5129]

The desperation is palpable. Thanks Justin 😊

[@justinwebb8831]

Tangible.... try palpable

[@infidelcastro5129]

@@justinwebb8831 yes, a much better word. Thank you 😊

[@infidelcastro5129]

I’ve edited accordingly and cited my sources 😋

[@justinwebb8831]

@@infidelcastro5129 in your defense though... they are synonyms one is just in a darker tone.... but YW

[@infidelcastro5129]

@@justinwebb8831 I’m always happy to be corrected and to improve my knowledge base. I’d make a terrible flat earther lol

[@ChrisInTheNorth]

That was Peter Lilly, was it? He was seriously awry with quite a number of facts, on every issue he mentioned, and the interviewer, who started by trying to challenge him, ended up letting him get away with a lot.

[@tomsheppard378]

I thought the interviewer was rude. He was making a strong argument for Brexit

[@biocapsule7311]

He is there as a fluffer. Why would he really challenge him on anything.

[@alvindimes4729]

​@@tomsheppard378OMG you cannot be serious, he made No argument for BREXIT. I wonder if people like you, can actually think? 😮

[@britnatzaredemocracydenier5922]

​@@tomsheppard378👈 wow the English education system at work with this 🤡

[@ma.7583]

​@@biocapsule7311 Poor interview, hardly any push back even when Lilly was spreading false information. Badly done Frei, badly done.

[@bryanhobson1822]

Never trust a tory, especially one that blatently tells lies.

[@tomtheeagle1]

They all do!

[@swally291]

Especially one who speaks

[@britnatzaredemocracydenier5922]

Lol starmer is a compulsive liar just as the Tories are

[@laurencefox5884]

@@britnatzaredemocracydenier5922 True. He is a right winger as well. No let wingers left in Labour.

[@grayjohn6332]

The EU membership cost the UK government 12 billion a year (year closing 2023), in context the UK government raised £1,017 billion in receipts and other income. So the 12 billion is minuscule to what we have lost and remember we had the money back because the EU invested in the UK. When I say the EU gave the money back, the UK had a massive say in the EU. So we have lost and lost again.

[@zorrodm]

The £12billion is after accounting for what the EU invested in the UK. So the true cost is £12billion, and I’m glad as a result of Brexit my taxes aren’t paying that in perpetuity.

[@grayjohn6332]

@@zorrodm don't worry the divorce is costing the UK 35 billion, you be paying plenty of tax to pay that off. ;). Oh that was not on the side of a bus

[@KOKOPIKOSS]

@@zorrodm 12 billion out of a 1 trillion budget is nothing...you are going to pay much more being out

[@zorrodm]

@@KOKOPIKOSS I don't want even one penny from the income tax that I pay to go to the EU. So it's not nothing for me and many other taxpayers in the UK.

[@grayjohn6332]

well that's not going well for you, we send millions to the EU every year still now,. May as well stayed being in the EU. You talk as if you don't like the EU. The problem you have is, is that the EU is not going away, it is still there, you can close your eyes and sing Humpty dumpty but the EU is still there. All because you have closed your eyes to it ,it is still there, we are going to have get used to it, running away is not an option, so isn't it best we are part of it, because we are having to accept their rules to trade with the EU.@@zorrodm

[@fabpeter9764]

This lie needs to be challenged regarding procurement!!! As posted by @urbanimage...."The head of the MHRA, Dr June Raine, has been clear that the vaccine was approved under EU law. Asked directly whether Brexit made the process quicker, she said: “We have been able to authorise the supply of the vaccine using provisions under European law which exist until 1 January.”

[@zorrodm]

And yet the Germans didn’t use those provisions. Because the EU didn’t let them. Thank you Brexit for getting vaccines to my UK-based grandmother more quickly than to my grandfather who was living in Germany.

[@petergaskin1811]

@@zorrodm Just another lie. It was nothing to do with the EU, the Germans always had the option to go it alone "UNDER EU LAW" but chose to stiffen the resolve of their EU brethren by staying in and bolstering the common effort.

[@jameshart3879]

Tory lords are becoming more ridiculous than tory mps

[@paulphillips9228]

Presumably it's what's required for them getting the ermine. They've to keep peddling the BS to avoid admitting the country has been conned!

[@ArtyFactual_Intelligence]

No surprise there. They are appointed by other conservatives. NOT ELECTED.

[@hvhvgitaar]

This “lord” doesn’t seem to be very clever. Everyone knows that as an EU member, the UK could also have rolled out the same vaccine just as quickly. In fact, Hungary rolled out the Sputnik vaccine even though it was never authorised by the European Medicines Agency. Stupidity seems to be a prominent characteristic of any Brexit supporter. That is confirmed by his support for the tragically failed Swedish approach to the pandemic. Sweden had an exceptionally high fatality rate compared to its neighbours and was forced to abandon its deluded “herd immunity” strategy after a few months.

[@richie6218]

We have the unelected House of Lords. So no democratic control there. The EU have spent a huge amount of money in Liverpool for example . Liverpool has been completely transformed . No UK government would have have spent anything like what the EU has spent in supporting local projects. The EU were doing levelling up a long time before the Tories started talking about it.

[@markwelch3564]

and this was one of those unelected Lords! The cheek that _he_ calls the EU _undemocratic_

[@channelfiftyfive055]

The UK is undemocratic. If it were, then member states would have equal say and veto powers. They should also be free to leave the UK when they want. Essentially, the UK and England are one of the same thing, since it is their scam

[@maryfenton958]

Very true..... tbe public didn't know what they were voting for ! Lets hope they know at the GE.

[@jujutrini8412]

The same goes for Cornwall.

[@britnatzaredemocracydenier5922]

​@@maryfenton958Scottish independence from the colonizers 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@johnweightman2002]

Sweden, which he admires, is in the EU. What nonsense the peer talks.

[@Cheebasonic]

So a Lord lectures us on unelected people making laws ? My irony meter just went up to 11

[@readingfcdec]

I see brixiteers are still lying

[@kerryfry1857]

Matt frei is not given him enough of a hard time. Covid vaccine roll out is such an easy rebuttal. We were still in the ficking EU at the time. Gordon Bennett!!! Within a year our vaccine roll out wasn't even in the top 10 in Europe. FFS!!

[@beverlybrookes8247]

I do love Matt. That Lord, whoever he was, is living in another world.. they just can't admit that Brexit ain't working... simple! I would respect them more if they were honest.

[@petergaskin1811]

Peter Lilley.

[@desmondroberts6034]

The EU Commission, its President and 26 commissoners are elected and serve a 5 year fixed term. Lily's claim that they cannot be removed is disingenous: their tenure is less secure than are those of UK govt ministers who are not directly elected and, need only call a general election once in 5 years and; may serve unlimited consecutive terms.

[@EmmaVB82]

All absolutely true… it’s a dangerous bit of disinformation that was spread through the media at the time of the referendum and ever since, and it’s been allowed to stand as “fact” in the public discourse instead of being immediately debunked. All the people for whom the idea of booting out so-called “unelected” policymakers immediately appealed when they were dissatisfied with the state of things in their communities and countries (almost entirely likely to be due to the Conservative government than anything the EU was doing!)… I’d be willing to argue we might have had a different outcome in 2016 if the public narrative and media coverage had been more grounded in reality and facts, instead of desperately trying to present both sides as having an equally legitimate and factual grounding, and lending air-time and credence to the right-wing anti-European and pro-nationalist collective, who were pouring huge amounts of money into a systematic campaign of misinformation and disinformation, ultimately for their own ends. This guy should not be still perpetuating that bit of disinformation… though it’s not as if the House of Lords is in any way elected or democratic, and there’s no way for the will of the people to remove the likes of him from their positions!

[@michaelmcnally2331]

Yet brexiteers lapped up unelected frost, on the basis that was appointed by Boris and we can vote Boris out if we don’t like what frost does. Conveniently forgetting that the commissioners and president are elected by the EU council which is formed of the heads of government which when the UK was a member would have included the UK prime minister. In effect the EU commission is the same as the UK civil service. EU Council = Cabinet that sets policies. Commission = civil service do the paper work to enable policy which then goes back to the Council = Government for approval before going to be European Parliament = Westminster. Brexiteers will tell you it is different but don’t seem to be able to tell you why is different.

[@caradders]

Not to mention life long peers in the House of Lords!

[@ryanoneill4691]

Exactly and he fails to mention the fact we don’t get to vote for the lords neither can we remove them once appointed. These people are hypocrites and liars.

[@apollomemories7399]

Elected by whom exactly? Lol. Talk about smoke and mirrors.... Ursula van der Leyen is unelected and yet head of the commission. Explain that. Her father was an EU director general when she was a WEF trustee and she was appointed president to the EU. See how it works? Her husband, Heiko van der Leyen is medical director of Orgenesis which made massive profits on covid vaccine. So, no conflict of interests there... Why are so many left-wing people so utterly ignorant of facts?

[@RazorMouth]

The UK should have followed the Swedish route 😂 Ummm!!! They're in the EU 😂 Poor chap tying himself in knots 🤦‍♂️

[@owenokane9643]

The UK had the highest death toll in Europe from covid, so even if is right about the roll out of the vaccine, and he ain't, it didn't really help us, as the damage was already done, but he won't mention that as a benefit of Brexit.

[@apollomemories7399]

Really? You do know that every single death in a hospital from March to September 2019 was marked down as Covid, regardless of whether anyone was dying from cancer or heart problems? The figures were absolute forgery.

[@zorrodm]

Per capita, the UK’s death toll was about average for Europe.

[@apollomemories7399]

@@zorrodm Like I said, these figures were bogus and way over-inflated in order to meet the needs of the vaccine roll-out fear mongering and profiteering and not forgetting getting the population used to some nefarious mass control mechanisisms, such as lockdown for months on ends. Look at the people who profited. Start with Ursula van der Leyen's husband.

[@grebo65]

He said that, to his surprise, our post-Brexit exports to the EU had faired much better than expected - even better than our exports to countries outside the EU. But wasn't Brexit supposed to offer us unlimited opportunities to trade outside the EU and make terrific, profitable deals with the rest of the world? If our post-Brexit exports have done better in the EU than our exports worldwide, imagine how wonderful our EU exports would have been had we STAYED in the EU. He's basically taking a negative aspect of Brexit and twisting it into a positive!

[@peterzapp2091]

Take back control to botch it.

[@marvintpandroid2213]

Control is an illusion if you have any hopes of trading with the rest of the world in any way.

[@denistierney4642]

That's not true and the interviewer should have pulled him up on it more Tory LIES!!!!!!!!!

[@moonshine9902]

Very poor interviewer. No knowledge of how to debate his point of view.

[@chatham43]

...you missed out an ! mark....shame on you!!!!!!!

[@biocapsule7311]

He is there as a fluffer. Why would he really challenge him on anything.

[@PhoenixBlack_741]

Sigh… If you carefully listen to the stresses in his speech, you can either tell that he doesn’t even believe that bilge coming out of his mouth… Or someone is holding something to his head… “Blink once for yes: twice for no…”

[@corneliuscornia3189]

Both worse enough👍

[@PhoenixBlack_741]

@@corneliuscornia3189 True indeed.

[@corneliuscornia3189]

@@PhoenixBlack_741 👍

[@brianharris7243]

Same old discredited lies.

[@porcupineinapettingzoo]

The EU contributed to the Oxford vaccine program so it seems strange to say they'd put the brakes on it.

[@jcnorth]

Yet we had the worst death rates in Europe.

[@chatham43]

....and we have the biggest obese problem in europe...do the maths....

[@timelwell7002]

Matt Frei is correct, Peter Lilley is telling untruths and half-truths. Had the UK remained within the EU the UK economy would be in FAR better fettle than it is now, as Matt Frei has rightly pointed out. And the 'red tape' has increased massively, leading to a huge drop in exports to EU countries, not only of fish and meat, but also of Financial and Legal Services, because we are no longer in the Single Market or the Customs' Union. As a result of Brexit there is now a shortfall of 1 million workers, both skilled and unskilled. Part of the reason for our current high inflation is that as a nation the UK is unable to supply the demands - not that demand is too high, but that the sortage of workers is preventing sufficient productivity. As a result, therefore, what we really have is a productivity problem, caused mainly by Brexit. Peter Lilley is of the hard-right, anti-trades unions, anti-regulation, anti-workers' rights, anti-NHS, anti-environmental protection, anti-welfare state, extreme Neoliberal wing of the Tory Party. If these same questions were asked of almost ANY economist, you'd get some VERY different answers to those given by Lilley.

[@zorrodm]

You’re wrong. Exports to the EU from the UK are at all time highs after Brexit.

[@Damimapro]

never trust a tory

[@chatham43]

....who can you trust then..?

[@dimitrius-r5sgamingchannel388]

​@@chatham43Someone other than the Tories, maybe?

[@diarmuidruane2263]

A truly lamentable 'interview' by Matt Frei, clearly not his finest hour. When Lord Lilley spoke of uneleted EU Commissioners why didn't Mr Frei remind Lord Lilley that a certain Lord Frost was the chief negotiater for the UK, remember his election!!? I strongly suggest that Mr Frei must educate himself on the economic mess Brexit has caused, he should listen to James O' Brien on LBC.

[@JasonFlopster219]

Didn't the Brexiteers promised, that they would put the money, that went to the EU, in the NHS? So where is the money? I mean, as German, you only hear, that the UK's NHS only getting worse.

[@thedivinemrm5832]

Please tell me this is parody, satire or some kind of skit?

[@simonevans8979]

I'm not laughing. It's not funny. Why aren't we disbarring politicians?

[@thedivinemrm5832]

@@simonevans8979 He's got a lifetime seat in the HoL and is a multimillionaire. At least we know now why it was so important to lay waste to the UK. Can't have that beastly EU shaving a few more pennies of tax off him!

[@marvintpandroid2213]

I wish I could

[@wilfhenderson1962]

For goodness sake challenge the lies

[@FurieMan]

00:30 The money that was "sent" to eu is like this: You decide to sell your wares at a flea market. The flea market charges you 10 upfront. But you are expecting to sell wares for 100. You could decide not to spend those 10 and then be happy with the fact that you kept the 10 (not being in the EU). Or you can spend the 10 and be happier that you got the 90 (being in the EU). So yes. The money that was "sent" to the eu is the fee to be apart of a market that enables you to earn a lot more than the fee.

[@karelsegers1362]

To me it seemed more like this. Pay 10 to hire a stall at a busy market with lots of people or pay 20 to have an own store in a street where almost noone passes.

[@dalioncijusciaponcijus7363]

I feel we lost the control!

[@dazzlerweb]

We always had the ability to fast track vacines in such situations.

[@kensavage7657]

I'm surprised that he didn't try to jump in and argue about the name of the "Oxford vaccine". After it proved to be pretty awful, all Tories then started to refer to it as the "AstraZeneca vaccine". It was very important to have an English name attached when the UK was "leading the way", it was also important to remove the English name when the problems came to light.....

[@danielmonaghan9642]

Didn’t the UK have one of the highest mortality rates per capita during Covid than any other country?

[@hakanozaslan9571]

Just a few general questions from an outsider here.... if they didn't have "control" back then, how come they had the right to opt-out from certain things like introducing the EURO? How come they always had the right to veto joining new EU members? How come they had the right to close their borders whenever they wanted? E.g. like Denmark did when the first Syrian refugees came to Germany XD etc. And finally, how come they were co-creating the same "restrictive EU laws" they wanted to get rid in the first place?

[@RazorMouth]

So then i assume per capita more people died in EU nations from covid.... Ohh wait, no the UK had one of the worst death rates. 🤦‍♂️

[@chatham43]

...so why aren't you out celebrating...?

[@dimitrius-r5sgamingchannel388]

​@@chatham43Who in their right mind would want to celebrate that?

[@chatham43]

....irony dear boy...😊

[@sibermansgames2110]

​@@chatham43If you're genuinely asking this, then, at best, you would probably be an insensitive little whatever.

[@RazorMouth]

@@chatham43 did you even watch the video? He was saying Brexit saved lives in the UK 🤣 because of some BS about vaccines.

[@petertattum2338]

If only we were able to get rid of unelected peers?

[@normanjohnston1221]

Bownright Lie about the Rollout again.

[@andreaslamers9535]

a man who speaks about money and dont understand inflation.

[@chatham43]

.....created by the disastrous lockdown which never happened.

[@FurieMan]

00:40 On this point it is actually backwards. The UK used to be apart of the EU and had veto power. So if there was something the UK didn't like they could veto it. Now that the UK is not in the EU, it doesn't change that the EU is the largest and closest market that the UK needs to sell and buy from. But now since they are not a member, they dont get to decide any of the rules that they have to follow. So this is straight up backwards.

[@zorrodm]

The UK did not have veto power. The EU has qualified majority voting - which allowed it to impose laws on the UK even if the UK voted against it.

[@robinbatman8029]

Lord Cunning Stunt .... 🙄

[@hohohohehehe6910]

We took back control of all the things we already had control of.

[@user-lu7qh9hj3n]

Real answer "Had we stayed we would have saved lives"

[@Scott-.]

Imagine, if we'd all gotten in early and paid our £3M it could have been us in the House of Lords and coming on here talking out of our arses to cover the lies and greed of our peers.

[@melvert33]

It's the fact these people can lie and lie with no consequences whatsoever. They cause massive damage, get rich, make people's lives worse and just walk away from the mess they made telling even more lies.

[@eamonnoneill1340]

The conviction this man has in his own lies is incredibly impressive and with that posh English accent you’d nearly believe him

[@kieran2842]

Don't be silly. For the record, Lilley was an ardent thatcherite and a useless MP.

[@jamisbillson4872]

Hold him to account. Journalists who don’t call out the lies are as responsible as the liars. A free press is only free if it reports freely without bias and equal equivalence. We need a new law that makes knowingly lying to the public or the media an imprisonable offence. No Brexit. No Johnson. No corruption.

[@sharkasattack7794]

He talks about wanting to keep people alive and then moments later says he wanted to follow the Swedish model with regards to lockdowns. I can’t help but feel that is a massive contradiction especially when you consider the damage the Eat Out to Help Out scheme did.

[@gedscouserable]

Blue passports, Sovaringtee and taking back control of our borders! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tomonetruth]

We've got our blue passports. I don't know what sovereignty means but I liked the Queen. All that remains is for us to force refugees into medium-sized or large boats, and we'll be in the sunlit Moggian uplands.

[@AlexSmith-zc6mj]

He was stumbling so much trying to answer this

[@jeangenie5807]

Matt, how on earth did you stay calm talking to this idiot? I couldn't have stayed polite for a start. Well done.

[@markherzog9484]

Lord Deluded of Liardom…….

[@katakisLives]

I honestly don't know who Brexiteers are trying to fool more. Us or themselves.

[@mwmds]

“We’ve taken back control, so what if you can’t afford food?”

[@smoozerish]

Lord of the flies and the vermin

[@chatham43]

...you've read s book!...we don't need your sort here...😊

[@geezerbutler4582]

The vermin in ermine?

[@dimitrius-r5sgamingchannel388]

​@@chatham43Why not?

[@robertlawrence5275]

OMG 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@karlsilcock8727]

How they keep spouting these lies all the time and not enough people pull them up on it.

[@ShaunSalter]

As someone who works in Gov procurement that statement that emergency procurements would have been vetoed by Europe is balderdash: The European procurement process he's talking about (and which we still had in place, and will still be in place until the Autumn this year) allowed wide latitude for emergency funding of medical emergencies. Foot and Mouth purchases took place under those regs and I don't recall any slowness in our responses, at least relating to Euro bureaucracy.

[@David_Baxendale]

This is how suich discussions go. Brexit isn't going well "because we didn't take advantage of it". That is the go to excuse now. Bad workmen blaming their tools (or even themselves as they indeed are exactly that).

[@robinwaters2455]

they're all a bunch of tools

[@andreaslamers9535]

so why the UK has the highest death rate in Europe? (excluded Greek)

[@chatham43]

...because our obesity rates are the highest in Europe...glad to be of help...😊

[@TBFI_Botswana]

I know we have to have people ‘in charge’ but 🤡

[@lizardgod3671]

Ah yes, I love doing "less badly" than expected.

[@DeeLynn]

EU was ALWAYS going to be our biggest trading partner. And we put ourselves in a difficult trade situation with EU after Boris' hard Brexit and the gloriously promised trade with the global market or Empire 2.0 has not worked out.

[@mats66]

Their pride will never allow them to admit they were wrong.

[@johnwright9372]

This is what passes for a peer of the realm.......

[@nopasaran8660]

You want me to answer the questions??

[@adam6869]

Have those exports gone up by value or volume because last time i checked inflation has been crazy

[@biocapsule7311]

Utterly grotesque.

[@enoughabouteve]

"If you don't like it, you can chuck the blighters out" we are sorely overdue a general election in the uk so hearing that made me question mark myself

[@poguemahone5476]

Our grandchildren will have to fight for the same rights and privelages that our grandparents did, and we're giving away.

[@zorrodm]

My grandchildren will have the privilege of not paying the EU. Thank you Brexit

[@willvangaal8412]

@@zorrodm And no food , dombo , thank you brexshit hahahaha

[@willvangaal8412]

@@zorrodm And i hope so for the world you have no kids

[@zorrodm]

@@willvangaal8412 most brexiteers have kids.

[@jschreiber6461]

“We must admit Brexit is a mistake and rejoin the single market”, says senior Tory Tobias Ellwood

[@zorrodm]

I disagree. As a result of Brexit, the UK was able to join the CPTPP.

[@monsieurfoupierre]

Why ask Lords about what happens in real life? they have no idea

[@pemberton6974]

Peter Lilley has the tendency to say whatever comes to mind and believe in it. Which is the definition of madness 😠 😅😅😅😅😅

[@thestevenjaywaymusic7775]

That man is lying.

[@user-lu7qh9hj3n]

We hoped !!! That's about right

[@Alan31420]

The net contribution to the EU of 12 billion is a tiny proportion of the UK annual budget, so slim that in the past the UK contribution did not appear on most UK budget pie charts as a separate item. In 2023-24, we expect public spending to amount to £1,189 billion. UK Office of Budget Responsibility. I make that about one per cent of UK annual spending. And the percentage was similarly low in 2016.

[@femazik]

snake oil was sold... but the older people, like the speaking one here do not care - him and his family are nicely set and he won't live long enough to face long term consequences like the children of rest of us - if he is so sure of the brexit success I am sure he wouldn't mind to share his income with the poor people in UK

[@thequeenofspades]

I wish there was someone else on the show who could have fact checked this Lord in real time.

[@gp60m122]

What a clown.

[@jeromesims]

He forgot to mention that leaving means we could finally afford to buy the Emperor that magical new zoot suit.

[@kev792]

I'm from the US but I've been following Brexit off and on ever since the vote happened, but recently VERY close for a couple years now. This guy is saying that the plan was to have a deal with the EU similar to Canada and the US, but there's been so many conflicting voices on Brexit and nobody had a clear idea of what it even meant. To my knowledge the main proponents of Brexit in Farage, Boris, and Mogg wanted a hard Brexit with no deal. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Brexit in any shape or form, has been, is, and will always be a disaster. Clowns have destroyed the UK. And here in the US, we have our own share of clowns trying to destroy it as well.

[@popeyedish]

Utterly delusional....

[@Lynn.hot.legs.peters]

Complete Lie ...... And he knows it is !

[@chatham43]

...but you aren't so sure?

[@gavinsmith9564]

If you wipe a big % off of GDP, that's public services cut which means a lot of suffering for ordinary people. Brexit was by the rich for the rich, pushed by Public school boys and millionaires.