Brianna Wu Says She Didn't Change. The Progressive Movement Did.

[@yaelsbookthoughts9792]

As a liberal who struggles with gender politics (my views are very much woman-inclusive as Bari described, that a woman can have traditionally masculine interests), I applaud Brianna for her well articulated arguments. It's so refreshing to hear a debate where points of view are tested and clarified in a respectful way without one side accusing the other of hate and phobia.

[@unnamed3932]

But it is still unacceptable to refer to a man as a woman and there is no such thing as 'cis' and most women resent that characterization. He is a man and saying he is a woman is regressive and an insult to women. Women were not historically denied rights b/c they 'identified' as women but b/c they were women. Women's rights were hard-won, men have rights as men, they don't get women's rights too. And many LGB people still consider 'queer' an insult.

[@Ashi-sabaki]

". It's so refreshing to hear a debate where points of view are tested and clarified in a respectful way without one side accusing the other of hate and phobia." Then you aren't very familiar with Brianna Wu have you considered when Brianna calls people "freaks" and "cancer" is somewhat dehumanizing and disrespectful. What you are witnessing here isn't "one side and the other" the two here are, largely, aligned -- it's political theatre that they are 'opposites coming to a conclusion'

[@XxYwise]

​@@Ashi-sabaki 🎯 🤥🇮🇱💩

[@shelleymatthews194]

Wu is a 6 foot 4 man. Not any kind of woman. He is pretending all the time.

[@shevek5934]

It's pretty convenient revisionism to portray gamergate as a fight that was just about internal HR practices of studios. What people were mad about was the moralistic and censorious demand that all games adopt a feminist viewpoint. Most Free Press readers are frustrated by how left-wing ideology is enforced and promoted in areas that should have nothing to do with it, like sports or movies. Guess what, that started with the push to enforce feminist content standards in video games. To be clear, that doesn't in any way justify the harassment. Ms. Wu is completely correct that Gamergate tactics were the prototype for the playbook of the online right wing in 2016, and since Trump those same tactics have been employed by the left on a massive scale.

[@BackwardsWunderkind]

I think that brings up an interesting point. "Gamergate" itself was coined in reaction to the GamesJournoPros group coordinating (some say colluding) a narrative around topics. I posit i's more of a scandal..a -"gate" there is no charter or unifying document and people have differing views on it, even under the "you are gamergate" umbrella - often applied that way...AT someone as opposed to a self-identification. Even in self-identification,there is a variance - for example, older people who lived through the Satanic Panic could be Democrats (not alt right) who took exception to biased and unfair reporting practices and/or dishonest discourse. In that, the feminism angle could be seen, by some, not as a goal, direction or platform, but rather a weapon wielded in bad faith. For example, Brianna Wu has chastised critics as mansplaining to her -- and has done that so indiscriminately that the label was applied by Brianna to transwomen AND even ciswomen --there it is fairly clear that mansplaining was being weaponized to invalidate and/or silence dissent

[@boomerzoomerfigureitout3806]

the "gamergaters" didnt invent that tactic, they used that tactic that the SJWs invented

[@jacoboblanco3696]

Agreed. I think one of the biggest challenges when it comes to these online "movements" is that there's no membership card, or acceptance test, or anything to delineate what is and isn't The Thing. It's more like a vibe, a very strong zeitgeist that you can choose to tack anything on to. You can pick any one reason and you'll eventually find a not-so-small group of people for whom that was the main thrust. I remember that period of time and it around that time we had Anita and other online essayist starting to make videos that covered representation of women in games, and there was a swell around that and more backlash and backlash to the backlash and it was about the journalism group and not about that, and about women's representation in games and not about that, and it was (as you say) the nascent moralisation of everything in terms of gender (which then had sexuality, and race, and gender, and and and tacked on to it). AND it was also just a bunch of assholes being assholes. It was a mess and definitely not about one thing.

[@davidhughes8795]

Brianna Wu is a terminally dishonest and deeply narcicistic person. It's very difficult for me to feel any sympathy for him given that he's only now conveniently started decrying all of the behaviours that he himself was fairly infamous for, years ago. The man is a colossal hypocrite who i've also seen argue, with a straight face ,that 'trans' people were a target of the Nazi's during the holocaust, in much the same way that Jewish people were. I have no time for him whatsoever.

[@andybrice2711]

I can empathize with the arguments on both sides. That it should be okay for some games, studios, and publications to remain unapologetically hyper-masculine. And that the games industry also needed to become more inclusive. I think where both sides of the argument overstepped the mark was in trying to dominate the industry as whole. And in downplaying the people within their ranks who were using dirty tactics like harassment and violent threats.

[@aaronkindsvatter5615]

Contact with wise persons makes me feel about life in general. This interview introduced me to another wise person, and I feel better. Thank you. Kindly, Aaron Kindsvatter

[@muhcharona]

Wisdom is wondering why 37 thumbs and no replies.

[@muhcharona]

If Wu shows up,one should wonder about the wisdom of the host, Wu knows which ones are easy prey.

[@K4lamityInc]

You first sentence makes absolutely no sense.

[@CassandraDarklight]

I did notice that one of Brianna's current talking-point slogans she's usingin interviews right now is how people 'look up every little thing" she says. it makes sense why she'd was to downplay and try to invalidate that. She has a history of playing fast and loose with the truth

[@themarychulive]

truth. you have to look up every little thing she says because usually it's bs

[@KH-aug]

And if you're interested in truth, how 'bout referring to Brianna accurately, as 'he'?

[@churblefurbles]

The only rule is never trust Brianna Wu.

[@paulcolburn3855]

He is messed up.

[@zilyennolyen5048]

This is actually a great convo! I especially appreciate the Israel discussion.

[@XxYwise]

Well, that's what they pay you to say. Unless you're a bot programmed to shill without compensation.

[@verynice5574]

Brianna's description of gamergate seems to rely entirely on Bari's audience not knowing the facts. To be charitable it's possible Brianna is just delusional.

[@robertkraychik1884]

wu was despicable in that episode. seems like he's trying to rehabilitate himself.

[@justinmadison513]

Wu is a man who says he's a woman. He's definitionally delusional.

[@AlexFeldman]

can you summarize what actually happened?

[@justinmadison513]

@@verynice5574 I'm guessing my comment got deleted but Wu is a man and a man saying they are a woman is delusional.

[@joouii]

and Bari did ZERO investigation to understand what had happened, and why. ZERO effort to confront him on his role.

[@Veganthrasher]

It’s worth mentioning that the FBI investigated the “threats” against Brianna and found literally zero substantive evidence of her actually being at risk. Convenient how she leaves out that part of her story. She also leaves out how she used to literally fake online hate against herself with sock puppet accounts and she got busted in a thread because she forgot to log out of one of the puppet accounts and replied as herself to something. Amazing stuff.

[@AlysiaRosen]

Her point is still made - some progressives have become hateful. That’s all she was trying to say and that’s true sadly

[@CassandraDarklight]

@@AlysiaRosen sadly, Brianna didn't really become of of those hateful progressives - she's been hateful for years and years and - VegansThrasher's point about Brianna being disingenuous is also still made well perhaps her own words some it up best regarding her presence on twitter "I see myself as, like, conducting good old school information warfare" and "I'm from Mississippi, I fight dirty. I have no problem getting in the mud with ya"

[@XxYwise]

​@@AlysiaRosenit's easy to be right about that when you are one of the people you're talking about.

[@darth87]

THIS makes me cheer for humanity! It's not about being right -- it's about knowing we are all "wrong", accepting the mess, and finding a way to connect. I thank God for blessing me with sisters like you. Res Firma ladies.

[@CassandraDarklight]

So like when Brianna Wu calls people freaks and a cancer. When she says getting rid of them s a top priority of the Democratic party -- that's connecting? When she says she's on twitter to conduct information warfare and "I'm form Mississippi, I fight dirty. I have no problem getting in the mud with ya" -- which one is that?

[@muhcharona]

No, this is just a containment agent funded by the far left.

[@andreabell5724]

Only one lady here- and a man who wants to be feminine Nothing wrong with it , but men aren’t women

[@heyitsme881]

I’m so over treating mentally ill people like they don’t have major issues.

[@ElishevaLe]

I didn't know who Brianna Wu was until a year ago. I didn't know she is a trans woman until a month+ ago. And I really appreciate her talking out. She also exchanged comments with me on her channel in a very respectful way when I shared my concerns regarding trans activism. How I have moved away from being very pro trans to not being able to support bizarre language around not using the word woman, teenage girls being medically transitioned when body dysmorphia can be something other than trans. Male rapists identifing into women's prisons and mediocre male athletes identifying into women's sport. Her taking the time to answer me was really important to me. I was so uncomfortable changing my surface position. And also not always seeing my sensibilities reflected in the public debate. I still don't know how policy can support her needs and dignity with my needs and dignity. But hope that being able to identify all the various reasons people transition and address those needs humanely. Without giving men the option to take advantage of any policies to hurt women. Ie. Not that trans women are a threat to women, but that men with bad intentions will take advantage of policies that give them access to womens spaces.

[@amaryllisequistra]

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[@TeatimeExpress]

"She also exchanged comments with me on her channel in a very respectful way when I shared my concerns regarding trans activism. How I have moved away from being very pro trans to not being able to support bizarre " Well of course she did -- you were agreeing with her. You mention you've only known about her for a year - did you first come to know of her due to her activity around the Israel situation? given your name and the period in which you became aware of her - it isn't surprising she would put on the smiling face. She has spoken about the interest in political power consolidation and specifically leveraging the Jewish demographic (She even mentioned on, I believe it was WhickTV - that she was speaking out on Israel "100%" (her characterization) to get Biden elected..this was a few months ago obviously as the candidate has changed) If you were, however to speak critically about her justification hiring her husband to do legal review of contracts for her PAC because it was cheaper than hiring an outside attorney. Not because he was her husband, but because he's not an attorney -- you would be blocked If you were to notice glaring inconsistencies with her claimed motorcycle racing and simply ask the org and class she raced in - you would be blocked If you were to simply QUESTION if a reposted tweet, allegedly, of Brianna's was genuine or not. A post directly to and mocking a neurodivergent WoC. Merely asking if the tweet were genuine or counterfiet - you would be blocked. If you were to raise the issue that Briana wu has weaponized mansplaining so indiscriminately that she has accused trans- AND cis- women of mansplaining - you would be blocked How can I just positively assume that WOULD be the case? they aren't assumptions, those actually happened

[@andreabell5724]

Him, Brianna is a him

[@muhcharona]

They are relying entirely on your lack of knowledge, this is how they've always played their game.

[@muhcharona]

@@TeatimeExpress The filters set on super high on this channel, highly sus.

[@brandoncomer6492]

her Gamergate explanation is pure and utter nonsense, that was absolutely not even remotely what Gamergate was about. She was ignorantly (or worse purposefully) running cover for game journalists because she wanted to play "my side" politics instead of actually looking into the truth, and she caught backlash because of it. She was 100% in the wrong and instead of owning that she was made it all about her being a victim... and it looks like she hasn't learned a damn thing.

[@Denariusjay]

Yup. She was a definitely a bad actor during the gamergate era. Those that were there know what really went down.

[@indyatmn420]

Imagine if men were demanding that Hallmark/Lifetime movies and romance novels were more "inclusive" of them. Imagine these same men didn't really love the formula but felt it needed to be changed to "include" them. The fans would rightfully be pissed off and not want these men around. Forcing "representation" or "diversity" is always bad because you're forcing in people who don't really love the material that is already incredibly successful and has a devoted fan base who likes the formula the way it is and dont' want to be preached to.

[@a9029k]

26:11 "instead, I - me - turned it into a culture war, a men vs. women, left vs. right culture war"... she actually does own it.

[@mikepictor]

She knows EXACTLY what Gamergate was about, which is not what GG tries to pretend it was about.

[@WallyWakeUp]

@@mikepictor the typical slant by people who either weren't there to know exactly what it was about or are pretending not to know

[@killa3x]

Wu did a terrible job explaining gamergate. It was about a female game developer that was having sex with game reviewers (5 of them) and writers and her ex putting het on blast. Then it became about gamers finding out about this shady relationship between developers and writer, and gamers calling them out. Became the woke writers and reviewers against gamers. The media attacks were overblown and these woke hacks made this the issue when it was about the shady developers and reviewers exchanging favors.

[@indyatmn420]

Even if it wasn't that, forcing "representation" or "diversity" into an industry that is already massively successful and overwhelmingly supported by one particular group is ALWAYS a problem. Imagine if men were demanding that Hallmark/Lifetime movies and romance novels were more "inclusive" of them. Imagine these same men didn't really love the formula but felt it needed to be changed to "include" them. The romance fans would rightfully be pissed off and not want these men around. Forcing "representation" or "diversity" is always bad because you're forcing in people who don't really love the material that is already incredibly successful and has a devoted fan base who likes the formula the way it is and don't' want to be preached to. Would Bari and Wu not see the problem if it were men coming in and wanting to change a genre that mostly females love?

[@mewho6199]

If you're talking about Zoe what's his face, I don't think he's any more "female" than Brianna.

[@cynthiaguest4509]

It’s hard to tell people to stop feeling superior when power is so much fun. The politics of condescension.

[@catenarycurve]

He's a man! HE! Reality matters, truth matters, language matters. I thought you and The Free Press knew that. So disappointed.

[@Zulimozzart]

SHE SHE SHE

[@XxYwise]

It is all hasbara.

[@CunningLinguistics]

Just as JD Vance referred to the "normal gays" (which includes myself), Bri is one of the "normal trans", like Blair White, Buck Angel, etc. Great interview!

[@zarbins]

Correction: Brianna Wu was not a victim of an alt-right mob during the gamergate scandal. She was a perpetrator of hate, lies, and bigotry towards the gaming community and wholly caught up playing identity politics for her own benefit. I've been part of the gaming community for over 20 years it is somewhat reassuring to see her awaken to the hatred she helped perpetuate. I'm sure the reaction from the gaming community felt like a mob attack, but to self-serving manipulative perpetual victims that's always the case.

[@indyatmn420]

Amen. Imagine if men were demanding that Hallmark/Lifetime movies and romance novels were more "inclusive" of them. Imagine these same men didn't really love the formula but felt it needed to be changed to "include" them. The romance fans would rightfully be pissed off and not want these men around. Forcing "representation" or "diversity" is always bad because you're forcing in people who don't really love the material that is already incredibly successful and has a devoted fan base who likes the formula the way it is and don't want their entertainment be used to fulfill some Woke/DEI quota. If a woman loved the material and didn't want to change it or use it to draw in more people who have a Woke/DEI agenda, no one would have a problem with her.

[@XxYwise]

And there is no bigger self-serving manipulative perpetual victim than the genocidal terrorist state Wu is doing all this for.

[@debkheiry5846]

This is absolutely fantastic. Thank you TFP!

[@lynnowens8238]

I loved this interview. But why in the world would you think you could not get HRT in Florida?! You seem much more intelligent than to believe such tripe.

[@thomaslinton]

Brianna's analysis about the 'purity spiral' and how, in some cases, well-intentioned reasonable American identity politics can descend into cancel culture and outright support for terrorist organisations is spot on. 51:00

[@TeatimeExpress]

and she's a big part of that purity spiral she's still 'fighting' those freaks and cancer and look how many times she declares what 'decent' people would do or believe -- it's the same old purity test with a different label stuck on it

[@LydiaSings]

I’m right there with Brianna! I supported Bernie for Prez and couldn’t wait for AOC to be old enough to run for Prez. After October 7 and the pro-Hamas, antisemitic rallies on college campuses and elsewhere, I am done with the Squad and the rest of the progressive caucus! I made some huge contributions to get rid of Jamal Bowman and Cory Bush, and I’ll do the same with Pressley and AOC next election cycle.

[@Lukas-lp2fz]

Brian is 100% correct here

[@XxYwise]

The Zionbots are out in full force here

[@maxkmalms1970]

Wow, the last statement is quite powerful. As an European social democrat I really feel that our liberal counterparts in the US have become even worse than the alt right mob they wanted to fight. This derangement also reflects in the behaviour of the modern feminist agenda that has praised women for becoming worse than the very bad men they wanted to fight. How is it possible that the supposed moral superiority of the leftists blinds them so much that almost all of them cannot see what’s happening. No honest discussions and dialogues are currently possible. The republicans seem to me the more moderate part of the political spectrum…

[@paddydiddles4415]

How come? - it’s because the defective reasoning that made them leftist in the first place is probably making them blind to the logic of your question

[@quintrankid8045]

It's not clear to me that Republicans are more moderate, but they do seem more willing to have a debate with people with whom they disagree, whereas many on the left seem to be both arrogant and approach debate with a la-la-la-I-can't-hear-you-over-the-awesomeness-of-my-superiority attitude. Disclosure: I am a Trump voter.

[@reddragonready]

You answered your own question there...hubris is how that happened. The belief that your political side is "morally superior". That already makes you blind

[@jaredray7034]

The entire USA has shifted left. If you were to compare the Republicans of today to the political landscape of 10 years ago, then Republicans definitely would be moderates, and Democrats extremists. Nowadays, it’s just normal. Given that I was alive and not in a vegetative state 10 years ago, I feel like I’m stuck in a political tornado. Everything’s topsy-turvy.

[@timothybierwirth7509]

Great conversation! One quibble... that summation of Gamergate was...sha'll we say, somewhat lacking...

[@Denariusjay]

"She was a victim of the gamergate mob" Uh, no. lol. Right off the bat a lie.

[@pocketTrauma]

You're telling me the person who wanted feminism in gaming so bad wasn't even a woman? That's hilarious.

[@XxYwise]

...who traded sexual favors for good reviews. Because it really was about ethics in gaming journalism.

[@andreabell5724]

Would’ve be such a great conversation without the “gender lie” Impossible to listen to and sad to watch women do this I used to be one of the women that did this/ not after I learned the fallout Lies never bring peace

[@bilikfinke9197]

Load of crap. No such thing as "true" trans. Blanchard's typology holds.

[@Toad1Rocks]

Its a GUY !

[@cohen860]

Quite an interview. Thank you to both of you! Agree there is a shitload of ignorance around Jews and Israel.

[@JT-rv8wb]

Bari says "How are we going to stop it?" Embrace the political shift...as a conservative woman who is leans libertarian, I implore you both to react to what is really going on here. Left is right, right is left. The middle is lost. I am supportive of what I see here. Not sure the answer but there needs to be a wake up call for what is happening.

[@amytitus2750]

I'd never heard of Brianna Wu, but I really enjoyed this interview.

[@betspath]

Your DNA says male. You’re great at making your point. I’m sorry you had to go through a very difficult childhood.

[@karenpawlowskileahy1895]

I love this discussion. I am now a Brianna Wu fan. Love her opinion

[@mewho6199]

Brianna Wu is a man who has the nerve to call his company "all-female." He was born male, and sex does not change. That only begins to scratch the surface of his cravenness and dishonesty. He's a pig, masquerading as a feminist and giving feminism a bad name for those people who are not wise enough to see through his façade.

[@HenryLeslieGraham]

ahahahahahahahah the gaslighting

[@j2174]

I don't think we should be using gay terminology for trans people (i.e. "coming out").

[@CassandraDarklight]

hmm, gay culture co-opted it from traditional culture your coming out is your debut ( you are a debutante). Before that you are closeted. It meant you were stuck in your bedroom (during the grown up evening events) In Baton Rouge for instance, the coming out parties and the balls are totally a thing [Note on that : the parties and balls aren't exactly synonymous. It's more like a wedding ceremony and a reception. The balls are kind of the pose for portraits and be announced and all that - it's the actual debut. The coming out party is more of a debaucherous rager part]

[@jimwinger]

​@@CassandraDarklight Or as we like to call them *The wife auctions!* for those who haven't been - they are white tie affairs!

[@Norrieification]

This is one of the best episodes so far!

[@888cleve]

You continue to lose credibility from moderates such as myself by promoting these professional victims.

[@trexusification]

Thank you so much for this conversation! I learned a lot and love what you have to say. Thank you. Keep on supporting truth and neighborly conversations

[@hooligan9794]

Jesus, is Wu claiming that gamergate started cancel culture. 😂😂😂🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@MrAlliecaulfield]

God, thanks for u two nailing this issue so clearly

[@winemaven718]

Religious freedom needs to be focused on. About America.

[@masonstove]

It’s just capitalism. You wanna invest a bunch of resources to speak to a customer market that will represent 0.7 percent of your customers? Prolly not.

[@KimVelezCoach]

I’m confused to one of the points Brianna made about getting HRT in Florida. HRT is huge in Florida. I’m a woman (I live in Florida) who has perimenopause issues and takes estradiol to support my decline in estrogen. I easily can find a HRT doctor and get it prescribed. So I’m not sure what she is saying or why she is saying it’s difficult in Florida? Insurance doesn’t cover it for women suffering with perimenopause or menopause so I have to pay for it out of pocket. Thank goodness it’s not expensive. But I don’t understand why Brianna is making that claim when it’s not true.

[@Lukas-lp2fz]

Brian was wrong here

[@XxYwise]

Lot of Zionists in Florida.

[@Foolofatook889]

Conservative here who is actually relieved to hear Breanna say these things. Like I could literally feel my shoulders lower 😂

[@bilikfinke9197]

Wu represents the new damage control phase of transgenderism now that public support for it is in dramatic decline. The "sensible" trans-identifying people weren't taking this "reasonable" stand when everything was going their way. The fair middle-ground isn't what activists like Wu propose once you recall the sheer extremism of what we have currently. Transgenderism is just compelled speech, sex-class invasion, document falsification and dangerous cosmetic medicalization. The TERFs were and are 100% right.

[@XxYwise]

Good, it'll go in much easier now.

[@Bee.Gee.]

Sorry, but "true trans" is bunk.

[@SethAndrews111]

Sorry, but you are denying biological reality.

[@Rsvohi]

Then…what is it?

[@davidhughes8795]

@@Rsvohi They're just unhappy people who wish that they could be someone else. No more, no less.

[@reddragonready]

@@Rsvohi One of two possible things..a person with a mental disorder called body dysmorphia. Or a sexual fetishist who has allowed his/her fetish to become their whole identity

[@joouii]

@@Rsvohi ideas about one-self imposed on the rest of us. we all have those ideas, the major difference being we dont force others to go along with them, or fight to codify them in BS laws --- unless we are arrogant narcissists. so, yeah, that is what it is, especially if someone is an activist trans.

[@TheDude-d1q]

To categorize being adopted out as being thrown in the trash does such a disservice to people. Placing a child for adoption can be a really loving thing. You want a better life for them than they can give you. This makes me so sad.

[@AlysiaRosen]

I’m sure she would agree with you - but this is just a fact that many many adopted kids feel partly they were thrown away, it’s normal human psychology, you can’t know what it’s like for that kid

[@CassandraDarklight]

@@AlysiaRosen she doesn't appear to when she uses it as a flex. She's said she's been in therapy, but notice how when she needs it as a power play she says she was "disowned" and "thrown away like trash" not that she had/has those feelings or it can feel like She says she has been disowned twice

[@Ashi-sabaki]

@@CassandraDarklight ooh yeah, too many people forget about the flipside. sure uncaring people exist but also... A mother in a situation who has to defy millions of years of mammalian evolution and face cultural judgement, and sadness and regret and wracking guilt for the rest of her life -- who does that to *save* her baby. Maybe someone who also has put blade to wrist thinking maybe that is the only way to make it stop and to hear the default judgement that doing that is 'throwing away like garbage'

[@nicp9818]

Wow excellent interview Thank you Brianna & Bari

[@reddragonready]

He says some good stuff but after a few times hearing "as a woman" rather than "as a transwoman" for instance...I am done with this conversation

[@luvisthedrug9890]

He thinks he's sneaky. Like we'll just conveniently forget that he's male. It's a delusion and I'm not playing along. You are not "becoming" the opposite sex. You're putting on an elaborate costume. If you acknowledge that we can talk.

[@AlysiaRosen]

Too bad because the rest of the conversation was really interesting and pointed out the problems of progressives today, goes into many topics

[@reddragonready]

@@AlysiaRosen I totally believe you but I will just not support this kind of hijacking af a "woman's view" by a man. Whether I agree or disagree with that man on other subjects.

[@XxYwise]

You didn't miss a thing. Wu's only original thoughts are "backchannel"

[@germpore]

She seems to be putting her best foot forward about healing some of the crap that came out of GamerGate. But to this day, holds petty grudges against all manner of folks, from Liana Kerzner to Jesse Singal who she really ought to just patch things up with.

[@matthewbentley7033]

Love Brianna and Bari

[@AlysiaRosen]

Refreshing to see such a mix of views in the comments which speaks to the diversity of the audience in this outlet - love seeing that, 95% of outlets people all think the same

[@JT-rv8wb]

I am so impressed by this interview and by Brianna. This is an important interview and I respect you both. Thank you.

[@pizzaiq]

I'm a female that worked in software engineering departments. I was often the ONLY woman on staff and I've experienced a good share of misogynistic men expressing all sorts of irrational attitudes about women. It is disgusting. To be fair, many men were perfectly normal and healthy. So it's not all men. It's weak, crappy men that are the issue.

[@XxYwise]

Brianna Wu is as weak and crappy as men get.

[@pcdriver]

Very stimulating conversation. Thank you FP.

[@AlysiaRosen]

You don’t have to think Brianna is a woman or agree with all said to be kind and appreciate some points

[@XxYwise]

But you do have to be an ignorant fool to believe a word she says about anything

[@AsheaonC]

This is amazing! Thank you!

[@mikemarthaller8789]

RESPECT

[@karenpawlowskileahy1895]

Omg. Finally common sense regarding Israel

[@nicoled5160]

This interview was amazing and speaks for so many people.

[@cindydouglas4409]

What an excellent discussion, thank you both! It gives me hope for the future that Brianna is speaking out & standing up for her values and against those bad actors who have taken over the progressive movement. Brianna's own story was remarkable and her own experiences so critical to her ability to speak on what are fundamental issues right now, which are leading to the fracturing of our society namely the hyper focus on 'identity'. Like her I agree that there needs to be a significant campaign to educate people on the history and reality of the Middle East & the threat to the Israel being surrounded by organisations such as Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis and others founded by the Muslim Brotherhood & Iran. The majority of people only look at what appears in their social feed, headlines and images and are being misled into believing that Israel is the threat because the media are lazy & not informing them of the wider picture. As a GC feminist who's been bullied and harassed for my views, I found myself agreeing with almost everything she said on the issues of trans. I was pleased to her concerns re what's happening with children (what will become a future major medical scandal), like her I've always felt that to support trans people our focus should be on medical support not the other bs virtue signalling wokery that's defined this movement and has been so damaging to women, lesbians and gays and trans people themselves. Again, thank you so much for this discussion. We need so much more of this.

[@milehighmandm]

well done. across the board. did not disappoint, to be certain. great conversation. wish we could go back to having real, honest, open conversation like this in the "real world."

[@purplevolution]

Really enjoyed this convo!

[@mindychesner320]

Stellar interview! Thank you 😊

[@FischyBrett]

I'm middle aged ? 56 (ouch sciatica) and a lifelong Democrat. I find the program's characterization of Gamergate both from the pundits' perspective and from even from the "conservative friends" Bari talked to (reported through Bari's lens) to be...myopic From my perspective, it's inaccurate and frankly a disingenuous hit-piece. There was mention of regrets around 'culture war' - well, this sort of thing perpetuates cultural warfare (and mis-categorizing it as a left v right issue would, likewise, be part of that warfare)

[@Ashi-sabaki]

sorry to hear about your back problem. Never had it, but I heard it's miserable. is the speaker in your avi yours? original?

[@FischyBrett]

@@Ashi-sabaki yeppers! blackface princeton back int eh day I had considered doing the prince o wails mod...I'm glad I didn't

[@winemaven718]

Problem is support Israel and protect progressive ideas. (Pro choice ) makes this election is painful

[@kham6006]

He likes check and destiny -says it all -not fooled by him

[@n.davidblech7091]

Thank you!

[@Receipt]

Why is he showing up everywhere?

[@TeatimeExpress]

It's just part of the same deal If you go back and look at the 'careers' it's always been in the public performance/infotainment space -failed comic strip that was "edgy social" discourse - Socially Unconscious -failed animation studio that was moving those same characters into animation -underperforming videogame that was, you guessed it, moving those same characters into a videogame -- though really since it was cut-scenes with some quicktime events it was really just the animation repurposed. -failed political office...the throughline with the character is John/Brianna is trying to BE the characters - made up investigative journalism degree (like the Brea character - which is now Brianna), "if you are skinny enough", high pony motorcycling* So now it's on to talking head, political consultant John/Brianna has always wanted to be in the public eye -- that's really the endgame here, "clout chasing" the kids call it now Brianna Wu is a lot like Trump *you know abt the "motorcycle racing" thing I take it

[@wavyremix]

Brianna Wu was the OG cancel culture leftist and I don't care one bit about his supposed reformation on the issues.

[@swarming1092]

oops, gamergaters arrived

[@mr2981]

@@swarming1092 You still salty for being wrong for so long?

[@extrapolate]

So now you’re cancelling her? Don’t be a hypocrite. She’s evolved and should be granted a clean slate

[@mr2981]

@@extrapolate Excuse me, I am not trying to cancel anyone. Let him talk, and I will then tell you about what a clown he is.

[@TeatimeExpress]

@@extrapolate She's rebranded. If you peel back the mask Wu is about Wu She failed at comics, then animation, then games, then elected office now she wants to be a political talking head really it's about the attention and self-aggrandizement She's pretty much Trump Jr

[@robertkraychik1884]

many commenters referring to this man as a 'she' tells you a lot about bari weiss's supposedly free-thinking and truth-seeking audience.

[@shira9351]

Does being free thinking result in all people expressing themselves the same way? Perhaps free thinkers can also choose to refer to Ms. Wu as "her", having had their own thought process that was different than yours? Perhaps the hierarchy of their values is different than yours? Perhaps they are happy to refer to a trans-woman in her preferred pronoun...

[@AlysiaRosen]

She actually has a big mix of “both sides” and many people snack in the middle who made say “she” or “he” and agree some disagree some. Bari has a very wide audience with a lot of comments agreeing or disagreeing with the gender of the guest or with things that were said in the interview, WAY more than on vast vast majority of media outlets these days that are 100% 1 side

[@reddragonready]

lot of people here calling him "him" as well though

[@limoryron6634]

Wow a great talk. Thank you very much. Gave me some faith back in humanity 🤍

[@hamletfan8]

Very good discussion. She is so reasonable and logical and that's exactly what we all need - on both sides.

[@kham6006]

She can’t get hrt in Florida -that’s a lie! My friends a therapist for trans, sexual etc disorders-she prescribes hrt not to kids !

[@XxYwise]

But there are a lot of Zionists in Florida that Wu wants to impress.

[@paulholbrook3227]

Acceptance and tolerance along with understanding is something we should provide all of our children including the small percentages of our population. Tax payers should pay for these services from a therapy perspective.

[@TeatimeExpress]

not really been what Bri Bri has been about fo sho. She doesnt accept she doesn't tollerate and I remember her totally throwing transmen under the bus as too small to be politically important then again she also blew off Jewish people on reddit who weren't so keen on celebrating Porsche as a marque given its history including the displacement of the Jewish cofounder...what was it "well, when they put a Porsche on the top of the MA house of representatives, then I'll march with you"

[@holseyd]

A common sense left of center liberal trans person. A rarity these days, good for her.

[@roxypuppy]

BRILLIANT & a "must see/listen" conversation.

[@ethanmorris8108]

I’m so happy I have no idea who these people are or wtf they are talking about. I play games all the time.

[@quintrankid8045]

I hope you will consider having this guest on again after the election to see if the prediction about who will win came true, either way.

[@el_tejon383]

Wow, just, wow. Thank you TFP for your content, even the stuff I don't agree with...

[@judyharper0804]

Brilliant interview! I have so many thoughts and feelings about it. Brianna is so smart, articulate and wise. So impressed. Though I am a east texan conservative Jesus follower, I agree with her on almost everything. A little history, I was an anti-christian, rapid feminist who voted primarily for pro-choice until I was 44 years old. My heart breaks that Brianna was so mistreated by the Christian community. I think the church has failed in that way. Regarding Israel, I was raised in a Catholic bubble and yet I don't remember any negative comments about Jews. I really didn't know much about it except that the Jews were God's chosen people. In high school, I read extensively about the Holocaust. I just couldn't understand how anyone could hate like that. I read Exodus by Leon Uris, the Chaim Potok's books. Went to Israel in 2002 with my 18 year old son who is Agnostic and just fell in love with it. I have always admired the Jewish people. I am baffled by anti-semitism. I hurt for the Jewish people. I will not ever end a relationship based on politics, but Oct 7 is the hill I will die on. Something is morally rotten with anyone who can defend that behavior. Keep up the good work, Bari

[@churblefurbles]

No, they rely on an audiences lack of familiarity with their history and topics to run containment, their PAC funds the problem.

[@XxYwise]

You are so close to getting it. You say you don't recall any Catholic antisemitism... well, then why let a KZbin video gaslight you? Israel is committing genocide, and too many people have their eyes open, so out comes this culture warrior to tell us what reasonable people believe.

[@dreimalnein22]

I am sad you didn't talk about autogynephilia

[@adelezakus4795]

You know what scares me while I’m reading the comments on this video is you’re talking about America and what’s going on in America and I see this replicated in Canada. We have become so lost in our identity as Canadians. It really saddens me. Your American you have a right to be proud of who you are. I wish Canadians were as well instead of trying to identify as Americans. I think Bari is such a smart, beautiful woman. I am sorry on a human level that you have to deal with such trash with the online community, never mind what you have to deal with on a personal level.

[@mr2981]

There is some very selective questing for truth going on around here. I never thought TFP was perfect, but this isn't helping.

[@Brownwhale7]

What are you talking about?

[@7135HOLLY]

enlighten us with your infinite wisdom.

[@goodgrief888]

They’re trying to be all “See!? Were leftists! Were sane leftists!” So this is exactly within their brand.

[@CosmicD]

time for a third main party in the US, without all the fanatics

[@skipfluck4299]

It’s called costuming Bari, that’s what he is doing. Come on Bari let’s not go off the rails again like back when you first appeared on Rogan. You have come so far.

[@Sl1pstreams]

Bari is not a conservative. You guys need to accept that; if you want someone who conforms to all of your narrow expectations, FOX may be more up your alley.

[@eoiny]

I appreciate he stood up to antisemitic mobs, but he has an insultingly reductive understanding of women - probably as a consequence of his ultra-conservative upbringing. Nevertheless, embodying that reductive understanding doesn’t make him a woman.

[@AlysiaRosen]

Still a very nice and smart person, who made good points on several things. Don’t have to agree with everything

[@XxYwise]

There are no antisemitic mobs.

[@oceantree5000]

Did BW apologize to Jesse Singal yet, now that this “centrist” tour has been in full gear, or…

[@SarinaValentinaxo]

I hope the future of all politics can be discussed in a tactful manner. Then I feel people would be more receptive rather fired up with hurt and hatred. Then we can continue to move along yet still feel true to ourselves ❤

[@minpin9230]

The gamer gate scandal was ridiculous.

[@Juljularchaeo]

I really enjoyed this interview so much, thank you so much for bringing back some NORMALCY

[@Receipt]

Using the word normalcy while discussing a troon is hilarious 😂

[@wonderingaboutyou6700]

Perhaps you could explain to me why trans woman health is different than just treating the usual problems MEN have? The parts of the body that still exist still have the problems shared by other biological counterparts? Why complicate this? I find the entire pretend thing exhausting!

[@andreabell5724]

How do you host a podcast named Honestly- when you can’t have an honest conversation with a man who presents feminine. Honestly, he’s a he- I don’t care how he dresses or acts. Honestly, Bari… wtf

[@XxYwise]

🤥🇮🇱💩

[@marianam8643]

Very interesting individual.

[@charsobishi]

That's a man.. man!!

[@AlysiaRosen]

Doesn’t mean there is nothing true in this interview and that people don’t deserve to be treated with kindness and respect. Good points that had nothing to do with that issue were made

[@reddragonready]

@@AlysiaRosen Still a man though. I don't think saying that in a commentsection under a youtube video goes to not showing respect or kindness. If I met this guy in person I would do my best to stick to nonspecific words or his name to address him..but ya know..he IS still a man

[@shmuelrosenthal6661]

He's a grifter. PASS.

[@gheller2261]

I don't think you understand what the word grifter means. You're just irrationally icked out by trans people.

[@davidhughes8795]

@@gheller2261 No. Wu is a grifter. The information is all out there.

[@Dankosaurous]

I’ve said some of these things and I’ve been ridiculed because I’m a white man saying it. Someone like you will say the same exact thing and the same people that ridiculed me will all the sudden agree with that point What’s up with that?

[@XxYwise]

Wu supports Israel, and that's all that matters to some...

[@winemaven718]

Keith Ellison is one of the worst

[@extrapolate]

She’s a sane voice. Props to her. More people like her in the left please!

[@andreabell5724]

Him

[@Receipt]

Him.

[@davidhughes8795]

You should look into his past. He's not a good person.

[@extrapolate]

Look into her past? Why are you employing left wing cancelling tactics? She’s eloquent and I agree with all of her points. Her past is in the past.

[@davidhughes8795]

@@extrapolate How am I employing left wing cancel tactics? I never said I think he should be cancelled. And I don't think that now. I just think he's dishonest and a hypocrite.

[@RY_2023_]

🤮

[@e.r.559am7]

I'm conservative af and I Really enjoy Ms. Wu's wisdom to not make trans the center of her life. That's the kind of attitude that makes using her preferred pronouns a breeze because there's so much more there as a person. Let her have the HRT in Florida just obviously don't give it to kids ffs. Great discussion, Bari!

[@UNINSULTABLE]

Dialectic Self Critique at is most enlightening level. Thank you. PS.: I think deep down you are both (good) conservatives...