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Briggs Primer Plate Fix When Double Gaskets Dont Work

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Arch's Garage

Arch's Garage

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@virginiatichenor8508
@virginiatichenor8508 6 ай бұрын
My self pulling Troybilt is doing the very same thing. I have cleaned the carb over and over. I can blow clear threw everything, put a new air filter, new plug, cleaned the air filter housing and little jet holes, primer is clean and good. I can spray some engine starting fluid into the sparkplug hole and it will start right up, but no gas coming through the little brass pipe in the carb but the bowl and needle valve have gas and are working right. I am really at my wits end with this mower. Watching your video again now to see what else I can try.
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 6 ай бұрын
check the fuel line from the tank and crap in the tank, I have found spider nests and junk in the tank and hose!
@virginiatichenor8508
@virginiatichenor8508 6 ай бұрын
@@TheNovaJohn It is all clear and gas flowing full flow. The carb bowl even fills like it should. I haven't had time to try the double gasket bit yet but going to try one day this week. Thank you for reply.
@waynestefinashen239
@waynestefinashen239 4 жыл бұрын
Arch it's the OLD MAN from Eliminator Performance #1 OEM gaskets always work better than aftermarket but we always soak them in hot water to help soften them which allows the groove to be formed into the gasket when you tighten the air filter plate onto the carb. #2 if the original gasket has the groove well formed and was working we may install a new gasket with the original gasket still against the air filter plate. After 9 years in business we have only used gasket maker once on a slightly deformed air filter plate and that was applied to the outer area of the groove ridge in a minor amount using a wooden skewer. #3 Soaking in hot water then installing onto the air filter plate and using a wide flat punch and hammer against the gasket in the groove area only and light blows helps form the groove in the gasket once done it never has failed us yet. Hope this helps you save a lot of time on your next repair. Keep them coming i did enjoy watching and know how frustrating this can be!
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks,,, Most of my gasket plates are warped, I clean them, clean out the push bulbs because they are always full of gunk and put a fresh gasket on with a very small amount of silicone then put them aside for another day.. Works great. These are old dirty machines,,, having one already complete is working out for me!!
@gilpicard6024
@gilpicard6024 3 жыл бұрын
Great idea Eliminator , will try on my next attempt.
@waynestefinashen239
@waynestefinashen239 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Gil hope it works for you doing this has served us well over the years.
@gilpicard6024
@gilpicard6024 3 жыл бұрын
@@waynestefinashen239 Tough to tell clients to carry a can of start fluid around lol
@waynestefinashen239
@waynestefinashen239 3 жыл бұрын
Have never had to do that and hope we never have to. We suggest ethanol free fuel use to all of our customer's, the ones that don't listen are back for carb cleanings a year or two later. Normally they then buy fuel stabilizer off us and get ethanol free fuel and when they need a service it never involves a fuel issue so invoices are relatively cheap for an oil change, air filter if needed, clean and gap the plug, clean and undercoat deck bottom and sharpen and balance the blade. Happy customer's spread the word, no need to advertise.
@moodymac7297
@moodymac7297 2 жыл бұрын
I just use a small piece of duct tape over the groove (but not covering where the air enters the carb). This seals the air passage independent of the gasket. It also helps the gasket seal better due to being warped. Very fast, I have even done this if I feel it may be a problem.
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 2 жыл бұрын
I will try that Idea,,,,make a quick video on it too when It happens again! Thanks!!
@PaulHenreid
@PaulHenreid 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, tape over the gasket in that area fixed mine too.
@deltafour1212
@deltafour1212 Жыл бұрын
Your tape trick still working?
@scottjennings9354
@scottjennings9354 5 ай бұрын
I placed the gasket on and used several coats of clear fingernail polish around the out side of the channel and that didn't work put another gasket on top and removed and reseated my primer bubble. It works now, not really sure which part fixed it but happy it works now. I spent hours on that damn thing!🤬
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 5 ай бұрын
LOL,,your not alone!
@ralphbrown1373
@ralphbrown1373 2 жыл бұрын
I have been fighting this primer issue for a week on my Briggs 6.0 hp push mower. I did exactly what u did on the video with the silicone sealer. And used only the one gasket.. Next morning, I could feel resistance on the primer bulb.. works perfect… that housing needs to be re-designed by Briggs. I also had the “surging issue” .. I replaced the carburetor and no change.. ended up being the coil. It ohmed out at 4.5 but had corrosion at the spark plug end that could not clean up. After 10 min run time, it would die.. had to cool down to start. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this video. I got some relief finally.
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 2 жыл бұрын
Great to hear,,,,yeah, not a great design, its time and heat that does it in most often. This was one of my 1st vids thanks for watching & commenting!
@ok400bigbearpro
@ok400bigbearpro Ай бұрын
I have a 6.75 Briggs on a log splitter , I havent used it in 3 years , was vary hard to start 4 weeks ago . there was vary little gas comenig up the tube in the throat , so i took the carb and cleand it but now when I prime it the air and tiny bit of gas comes out the port bottom left side ? Now that I'm watching your video I never looked to see if the filter back houseing is warped ,hmmm ,,, ok still watching your video I'm wondering if your going at it from the wrong side ?? wondering about a washer with the proper throat size and the 2 screw holes in it would be easyier ,, some thing to think about , lol I'm a steal worker
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn Ай бұрын
Subsequent to this video I put out 2 more updated. I had the same thought and may have mentioned it in one of the other vids. I cant make that easily for every machine I service but I can use a new gasket and RTV very cheaply!
@ww321
@ww321 2 жыл бұрын
I was just fighting one of those today. Double gasket worked and I put the washers on the 2 screws. The problem I had was I only had 1 gasket so I made one. Thanks for the videos
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 2 жыл бұрын
I hope it works out for ya!
@lawrencecarroll2031
@lawrencecarroll2031 Жыл бұрын
Had the same problem. Watched a You Tube video where the guy put 2 large (about size of a quarter) thick washers at the 2 screw holes and tightened the backing plate down. For me it worked like a charm. The double gasket thing didn't work at all for me. Might give this one a chance on next machine I get.
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn Жыл бұрын
There's a newer version in the description!
@patandsandytrierweiler2440
@patandsandytrierweiler2440 2 жыл бұрын
Kudos! Excellent video. Two primer base gaskets for awhile...but, what's next? I did the similar process. Trying to unwarp bulb base did not work. Actually, I carefully cut out an aluminum foil gasket and attached (using automotive gasket sealer applied by toothpick) around bulb air channel. Yes,...then bulb two gaskets, two washers, and tighten only as necessary.
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!! What a mess,,,,,at one point I wanted to change every machine over to auto choke lol!!
@philblick4955
@philblick4955 6 ай бұрын
Mate you’ve done well congratulations 👍believe me this primer problem is experienced globally - very frustrating / annoying and time consuming when they don’t work. Hang in there buddy all the best from Aotearoa New Zealand 🇳🇿
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 6 ай бұрын
Thanks phil,,,,check out the updated version! Link in the description!
@MissouriOldTimer
@MissouriOldTimer Жыл бұрын
I fooled with one of those all day and most of yesterday , I have several of those covers too, I see where your idea would work, thanks.
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn Жыл бұрын
Thankx,,,,,good luck,, I have a new version of this video too, may be helpful
@PaulHenreid
@PaulHenreid 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I have been having the same problem with my Briggs & Stratton primer. It starts first pull cold if I spray Starting Fluid, and starts without priming or starter fluid when the motor is warm. I will try the double gasket and cleaning out that small hole. If that does not work I will apply some RTV gasket maker under the gasket. Good video. Thanks
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 2 жыл бұрын
Good luck,,Lets us know and Thanks for watching and commenting!
@PaulHenreid
@PaulHenreid 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheNovaJohn I cleaned out the small hole with a small wire and compressed air. Then I taped down the gasket so no air would escape when priming. This fixed it. The point of two gaskets is to close the air gap, so a piece of tape over that section is even more effective.
@blackjack98enterprises
@blackjack98enterprises 3 жыл бұрын
I have same type of air filter assembly. My problem was because of the vented primer bulb. I bought a new one with no hole. Didn't work. Fought with it once I switched back. Made my own gasket with gasket sealer. Worked. Can't see myself doing that hundreds of more times, but I guess that's the answer.
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 3 жыл бұрын
I don't know how many machines like this I do every season,,,If I had to guess, I go through 2 packages of gaskets so maybe 50!
@deltafour1212
@deltafour1212 Жыл бұрын
I totally rebuilt the carb. Cleaned the carb 4x. Sprayed in one hole and came out another so all holes are clear. Did the air thing and gas sprayed out the orifices. When I put some gas in the cylinder it ran for a few seconds and stopped. So, I don't know if it's a bad carb or didn't run long enough to create a vacuum to get the carb primed or can a bad backing plate make it not run. Bought a new backing plate and still won't prime. Going to try your RTV trick. What brand RTV did you use and is it gas resistant?
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn Жыл бұрын
Check the tube/manifold that the carb connects to..Ya gonna need to take off the pull cover.. Check for cracks and tighten the bolts that hold it down, they are always loose and cause leaks! Tighten the head bolts especially around the exhaust valve, they cause leaks as well. I often test run my machines without the primer plate and often show this on my other videos. Check out this newer version of this video..Good luck! Bottom line is your not getting fuel! Check the tank and hose too! usually dirt and crap! kzbin.info/www/bejne/anqTop1olpWCg5I
@deltafour1212
@deltafour1212 Жыл бұрын
@@TheNovaJohn Thank you!
@ralphlester4867
@ralphlester4867 3 жыл бұрын
I suggest Using the small red tubing that comes with carburetor cleaner . Place it on the groove from the bulb to the hole in the carburetor. No cost r. Lester
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 3 жыл бұрын
Hmmmm,, Have you tried this?
@SilentOneCorajuda13
@SilentOneCorajuda13 3 жыл бұрын
It wont work because the pressure will just blow out the edges not not be directed onto the bulb.
@jeffreygleaves2931
@jeffreygleaves2931 2 жыл бұрын
Alright...hhmm, I bought one of these just last year and it's already acting funky. It primes but won't stay running unless i hold my finger over the hole in the primer bulb. Weird but it must be sucking too much air and probably has something to do with this gasket mess.
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 2 жыл бұрын
It wont have anything to do with this gasket as the seal here is for the priming action. Your not far off however; it may be getting air in from the O ring or a Loose Manifold Tube. To tell, spray gummout around behind the primer plate, if it continues to run and shuts off when you stop spraying there ya go, one more piece of info It can also just be dirt in the carb, take the carb off and remove the gas tank, clean all, check these things and re-test! good luck and thanks for watching!
@zshamrock2457
@zshamrock2457 2 жыл бұрын
w0w Arch... I have been fighting this same problem for years.... such a simple situation but dang!! bought two OEM back plates... bought 10 or more gaskets... and jus like you,, this sucker still would not prime... so I figger I have already used about half of the gaskets trying different things... I cut the bottom section of one gasket jus below the two mounting bolt holes and used the rtv very little on the fabric and put it in place on the back plate after cleaning it with 99% alcohol.... I set it up in the garage adding some weight on the lower piece of gasket... this morning added a new gasket and reassembled..... FINALLY it works!! I know that I could have taken it in to a shop for repair, but I would not learn anything by having them fix it.... I want to fix it... and with your encouragement... it is DONE!!!! ♥️ Thanks 🎯
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 2 жыл бұрын
Great,,,I'm happy to help and glad YOU DID IT! Congratts,,, If ya want check out my newer video on this kzbin.info/www/bejne/anqTop1olpWCg5I
@ok400bigbearpro
@ok400bigbearpro Ай бұрын
Check out my idea
@jamessmejkal8803
@jamessmejkal8803 4 жыл бұрын
I use a heavy piece of glass, works well. Your ideas are great.
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 4 жыл бұрын
Great, even better!!!, I do have one somewhere, I've used it to "Lap" out things like heat sinks for computer chips and cylinder heads!!
@jesusdrummer21
@jesusdrummer21 2 жыл бұрын
So Arch did this fix help on all the other bases. What are the results from 20 of them you did?
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 2 жыл бұрын
I've been doing this for some time now, I prep out a bunch every season and leave them on the shelf. Works well but sometimes the base plates are too damaged, usually from someone over tightening them. Here's a link to a newer version of a video I made, a Fellow Tuber suggested something he does with his business. kzbin.info/www/bejne/anqTop1olpWCg5I
@matthewmorgan1070
@matthewmorgan1070 4 жыл бұрын
I spent last Saturday messing with my quantum and this gasket bs. I bought two carbs, new fuel line, doubled the gasket, nothing would work. Good video
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks pull the flywheel and check the crank/timing Whats the issue or symptoms
@donnierodriguez4442
@donnierodriguez4442 4 жыл бұрын
Nothing worked for me either. I started connecting all the dots and it appears the carburetor is not the right one for the engine. Close but no hole on left side.. therefore no gas being primed. Have a new carb coming later today.
@benlallier1721
@benlallier1721 3 жыл бұрын
Did exactly what you did and it worked perfectly. 👍 Many thanks.
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear, check out my newest video on this! kzbin.info/www/bejne/anqTop1olpWCg5I
@Bigtime_mcalpine
@Bigtime_mcalpine 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I feel less stupid knowing someone else when through the same damned process as me. I wasted 3hrs on Saturday morning trying to get this to work. Was just about to put some permatex on as a next step. My god, this was supposed to be an easy job!!!
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 2 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!! Use the Black RTV, I tried the HiTemp and it wont work,,,,,,
@gilpicard6024
@gilpicard6024 3 жыл бұрын
Got piss off put it together walked around the front and sprayed carb cleaner into the primer bulb hole works like a charm.
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 3 жыл бұрын
Cut a little hole somewhere and stick the straw in!!
@nicolaassnoek9902
@nicolaassnoek9902 2 жыл бұрын
Had the same problem but I used gasket sealer and that worked for me
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 2 жыл бұрын
Good!!! Thanks fer watchi'n
@Maximus43968
@Maximus43968 2 жыл бұрын
Great fix and idea.
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!!
@philliphall5198
@philliphall5198 Жыл бұрын
Duck tape the lower housing and Tia good gasket
@butchharps1471
@butchharps1471 4 ай бұрын
put a piece of masking tape on the cover, just dont put it over the whole for the carb
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 4 ай бұрын
I've heard that, I think another fella wrote that below. I cant do that as I sell these machines.
@donnierodriguez4442
@donnierodriguez4442 4 жыл бұрын
Well, going to try this tomorrow on a Snapper I am selling. Thanks!!
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 4 жыл бұрын
Good Luck!!! You Can Do It!!
@donnierodriguez4442
@donnierodriguez4442 4 жыл бұрын
Didn't work for me but, I too painter' tape and covered that channel from the bulb, across the bottom and up to where the hole in the gasket is. Put the gasket back on and it worked!
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 4 жыл бұрын
@@donnierodriguez4442 Good!! When I do it, I coat the gasket then some on the plastic, then I put the gasket on and add more to the side I show in the video and then I leave it over night, thats very important! I have at least a 90% success rate however sometimes the plastic is to warped or cracked. Glad ya found another way!! And now you know for sure where the problem is!!
@Teddysad
@Teddysad Жыл бұрын
Re cleaning the plate - how about an ultrasonic cleaner to get rid of built up crap?
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn Жыл бұрын
Yup...I cant afford one yet,,,I would also need to make a place for it.. Not sure which is worse,, the money for one or actually having to organize to the point of making room,,,
@super20dan
@super20dan 4 жыл бұрын
a real new Yorker . i had one of these try to kick my ass today but got it eventually
@malcolm4200
@malcolm4200 3 жыл бұрын
What a great idea, i have been farting around all day trying to get mine to work, double and even treble gaskets, cleaning it blowing it out till i'm blue in the face, certainly going to try this method, the designer of this ought to have been shot the following morning, lol thanks for the tip buddy.
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 3 жыл бұрын
I hope this helped!!!
@millerkenzo7581
@millerkenzo7581 3 жыл бұрын
i realize I'm kinda off topic but does anybody know a good place to watch newly released series online?
@louisarturo5111
@louisarturo5111 3 жыл бұрын
@Miller Kenzo Flixportal xD
@millerkenzo7581
@millerkenzo7581 3 жыл бұрын
@Louis Arturo Thanks, I went there and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :D I really appreciate it!
@louisarturo5111
@louisarturo5111 3 жыл бұрын
@Miller Kenzo you are welcome :)
@davidbeaudry2715
@davidbeaudry2715 3 жыл бұрын
I'm dealing with the same thing and I'm losing my shit! Bought a brand new Briggs backing plate and it's still not priming!
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully this helps,,, blow a puff of air into the port on the carb where the plate goes (plate off 1st) see if fuel wicks into the carb throat, this way u know the carb is proper, then deal with the plate Good luck.
@jwayne777
@jwayne777 3 жыл бұрын
Permatex spray on the gasket . Remove and spray the gasket while hanging it outdoors. Then give it a day to dry. Then slap it in. BAM! your back in business.
@j.t.3627
@j.t.3627 3 жыл бұрын
Bread tie cleaned hole out, Seal All gas adhesive with gasket .🤔😉
@jwayne777
@jwayne777 3 жыл бұрын
Permatex spray tack couldve saved you all that time. It even works on ripped carburetor gaskets.
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 3 жыл бұрын
I doubt that, no offense but its very thin; mostly its used to enhance a gasket or to hold it on or in place during assembly
@thesoccerdad1
@thesoccerdad1 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve got four of these that I’ve been farting around with for more time than I want to admit. Never dawned on me that the plastic might be warped. I’ll be breaking out the Rtv tomorrow. Heck I’ll probably seat at least 10. 😂 Thanks so much.
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn 4 жыл бұрын
Let me know how ya made out!!
@frankwhite1288
@frankwhite1288 3 жыл бұрын
I just had a day exactly like that. lol
@philliphall5198
@philliphall5198 Жыл бұрын
Part number???
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn Жыл бұрын
Links are in the description along with an updated video link
@terryhoffman2760
@terryhoffman2760 Жыл бұрын
Happenjng to me now.
@michellelahocinsky8698
@michellelahocinsky8698 Жыл бұрын
Just sucke it in hot water with dish sp
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn Жыл бұрын
I have a newer/second video on that...I actually did that..The vid is in the folder It didn't work and my guess is it has to do with the kind of paper used from different manufacturers.
@TKM1951
@TKM1951 Жыл бұрын
Yeah - I messed with this for two days . It belongs to my neighbour. I finally had to cut their grass !! When I pulled the carb for the third or fourth time I spilled gas on my gaskets . When I put it back together all I had was the gas soaked ones . By that time I figured if it blew up or burned up I’d be ahead of the game . It primed and started . I’ll see what happens next week when they dry out . So soaking in water would be a good answer for me next time . Regardless I subscribed to your site and appreciate your help
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn Жыл бұрын
@@TKM1951 Right, and when it dries out it will shrink and the problem will return!
@TKM1951
@TKM1951 Жыл бұрын
@@TheNovaJohn time will tell if it shrinks - but if it is in snug will it shrink ?
@TheNovaJohn
@TheNovaJohn Жыл бұрын
@@TKM1951 It can,, essentially that's how all gaskets start to leak.. But in this case, we have the added issue of the plastic warping confounding the problem
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