Brigham Young inviting Eva back to the fold

[@davidyoung6400]

Such an underrated show

[@timothymccoy1569]

Really miss this program.

[@cameronreed1411]

Brigham Young sounds like Joshua Graham from Fallout: new Vegas honest hearts dlc.

[@straubury5991]

You beat me to this comment haha.

[@benjaminvandenberghe9726]

Well they both belong to the same Church.

[@LockeDemosthenes2]

Well, they're both Mormon zealots, so that makes sense.

[@juliew1426]

I thought it was the Mohave Indian tribe that adopted her and her sister. It may have been the Yavapai who killed her family and made them slaves, but the Mohave traded with the Yavapai for them.

[@emmao109]

Yep. Yavapiai killed her family. She and her sister were enslaved then the mohave chiefs daughter saw them when they trading items and they bought them from yavapai. They lived close with the mohave chiefs family

[@marleneescajeda6263]

Yeah that’s the real story... when I saw her on the show portrait as a prostitute I was like 👁👄👁..... hun that’s not what happened !!!!

[@marydidyouknow5826]

Yes, this is VERY loosely based on Olive. The only things that are the same are the tattoo, Mormonism, and the killing of her family by the Yavapais.

[@robertburch3813]

That’s exactly how it happened!😂😂 And Abraham Lincoln was a real estate developer in New York City and had a reality TV show where he gets to fire people before he became president.

[@juliew1426]

@@marleneescajeda6263 A prostitute?! They have to sensationalize everything. As if getting kidnapped and sold by a Native tribe in the old West isn't sensational enough.

[@craigvandegrift151]

The show was never touted to be factual! It's a great show !

[@gregmacklin9758]

That is one profound scene. Brigham oozes charismatic power and Eva goes from cocky to stund and humbled . Excellent bit of acting

[@danielmitchell6940]

Robin McLeavy is astoundingly beautiful in this role. Elam was a fool

[@Shamy_Cartoons]

Yea total a fool. The bear tooth enlodged in his freaking skull. What was he thinking leaving Eva! ...

[@samd2013]

I don’t know why I love this scene so much.

[@trevorjennings72Gmail]

Hello Sam, how are you doing today, hope you’re fine and safe from the Virus?

[@bigncornfed1]

My guess? Because He is being everything we are taught that being a good Christian is supposed to be and she sees the truth of it in his eyes.

[@phantomvibrationsX]

I know the series is not supposed to be historically accurate about Olive. Olive by the way was not a strong will feminist type at all. Everyone reported that she was permanently shaken and had no confidence and would shy away. Feminists had hoped to use her to represent the strong woman but the truth eventually comes out. She was not a whore but there is alot of evidence that she liked certain things about the wild life with the indians.

[@robertburch3813]

No doubt, as were most all women in the past. It doesn’t make for good TV though to have women repressed and not allowed to have a voice. I just hope people watching realize when you study history, most people were just trying to survive. There was a pecking order to society and families with males at the top, especially deeply religious societies.

[@dianamorris1647]

@@robertburch3813 In European Societies, especially those that held religious zealots in High Positions of Authority, women were indeed repressed. Brigham Young & John Smith's "tales" & the historical links to polygamy, & incest would suggest that she was traumatized well before her alleged "capture." There was no evidence of the "massacre" being perpetrated by local Indians, only a "story" which was perpetuated by her brother, Lorenzo, who could also have been involved in her trauma. She appeared to enjoy her life among the Mojave, & her "rotten womb" could well have been the result of "incest," which was not something acceptable in Tribal life. Also, Indian women were not repressed, since Tribal authority & Wisdom was historically generated from a historically Matriarchal order. As a California Native, I think average Americans are quick to believe the "worst" about Indigenous ppls. This is especially true after hundreds of years of propaganda & very little experience OR friendships with ppl of Native dissent. After all, there aren't many of us left, & indeed even fewer who managed to survive the slaughter of our families, & dissolution of our cultures. In truth the marriage between our Culture & Colonization (especially in California), made for a uniquely gentle, respectful, loving World-view. Despite losing more than half my family to disease & intentional slaughter, my parents & extended family continued to teach us about our connection to the Earth, and to accept without judgement "other beliefs." Unlike most of my white friends, we (as children) weren't beaten, did not experience any violence in our home (a small 1-room trailer), & had a joyously blessed, & loving relationship with all known relatives. We were taught to study hard, get as much education as possible, and have gratitude for what little we were left with, & respect for other ppl, regardless of their treatment & attitude toward us. I am old now @ 75 yrs, but I spent 10 yrs putting my 1st husband through college (@UC Berkeley) & raising 2 children with a Jewish partner, who I loved deeply until his death in 2014 (after 27 yrs together & 8 yrs separated). He left me @ 60 yo to return to his "old" bachelor ways, after suffering numerous strokes. My advice: be careful believing old Western tales about what Indians did. I worked with Indian youth & most suffer intergenerational trauma, as a result of systemic racism in the US Govt & in US Society, in general!

[@samsmom400]

@@dianamorris1647 I'm of Cherokee descent, and I'm glad you had a perfect life. That's hardly true for most. The Indians took up drink and no one is nice to be around when drunk. My GGF cheated on his wife and was abusive.

[@robertburch3813]

@@dianamorris1647 Yes, that is why I read books and look to better evidence about our past like ancestry, birth/death records, and scientific evidence. Have you ever taken a 23 and me? One thing we are finding out is that very few people that claim to have 'Indian/Native' heritage actually have little or none at all. It just seemed like a cool way to identify starting about 50 years ago. Your story sounds like you've been through a lot but no society or culture is perfect. For instance, most of the big mammals of the Americas went extinct not long after humans arrived, way before the Europeans arrived. Clovis people were actually some of the first 'native' people in the Americas and were displaced by other waves of 'native' people. Places like Mesa Verde were examples of people building elaborate settlements, than overusing and destroying their resources to the point the Pueblo had to leave them. What I don't like about all of these historical shows is that they are mostly false and fit a view that is entertaining to most people in 2023 to watch, rather than a documentary which is more factually based.

[@streetsharkz]

Damn he's trying to smash

[@gaspboigasp]

I don't know who wrote this but historical accounts say that Olive Oatman spoke fondly of the Mohave tribe where she integrated into the tribe by choice and I'm sure she wasn't forced to have the tattoo it was part of the tribal customs, tattoos like that are always part of a coming of age ritual. Her family was killed by the Yavapai (except her brother and sister) and she was mormon originally, and that certainly looks like her chin tattoo... but apart from that the rest of this is total fiction... definitely written from a white perspective that seems to think a tattoo like that would make her an outcast and prostitute (apparently), when in reality the tattoo she got made her a celebrity not only in her time, but in the current day as well. Without it the person who wrote this scene wouldn't have even known about her... unfortunate that they chose to portray the incredible person she was as some sort of scorned and bitter girl who couldn't do anything other than become a prostitute after getting that "marked up face"... which really couldn't be any further from the truth, and sure... people can say that it's a fictional character with a different name, by why give the character a backstory with some identical details (Raised as Mormon, Yavapai killing her family and kidnapping her and not to mention the identically copied tattoo and choice of similar looking actress) only to then fictionalise the ACTUAL lessons that came from her story. Not a fan.

[@acechadwick]

Exactly. And if you look at Olive Oatman's actual tattoo you will see it didn't look as if it was applied in a local tattoo parlour, but was thick and uneven as they used a rock to eviscerate the skin before applying the cactus dye. She said that they never in any way defiled her but rumour had it, that she had two boys by one of the tribesmen, but had to leave them behind when rescued. Obviously it was easier for her to say that she was untouched but the mere fact that her nickname amongst the Mohave was Spantsa makes you wonder. You don't get called 'rotten vagina/womb for no reason. I don't know why they chose an actual historical figure to portray a captive and then maligned her actual story with the whole prostitute nonsense.

[@heldermonteiro2718]

@@acechadwick she was enslaved after having her family murder

[@sweetpeach3293]

@@heldermonteiro2718 Originally she was enslaved by the tribe that killed her family. After some time, she was sold to the Mohave tribe who adopted her in as family. So she was no longer enslaved at that point.

[@heldermonteiro2718]

@@sweetpeach3293 they didn't gave her the choice of living and she was traumatized

[@sweetpeach3293]

@@heldermonteiro2718 That's a possibility. Like Stockholm syndrome. But it's also possible she really did see the Mohave as family and didn't want to leave since most of her real family was killed.

[@StephanieMcCormick-z1q]

I loved this show, and she was my favorite character. The only thing I didn't like about this episode was that when he said "forgiving," she did nothing wrong.

[@JHXgal]

i would like to get the full video of the blue tattoo can anyone help me with locating it or even watch it?

[@beatnikmary]

Is that Kacey Rohl and Bill Sage?

[@Hamboarding]

Temples are closed on Sunday 😶

[@bingo1232]

Why?

[@AarmOZ84]

The temples use to have a an assembly room and Sacrament meetings were held there on Sundays (Salt Lake Temple, Washington, D.C. Temple, Los Angeles Temple, Manti Temple, St. George Temple, Logan Temple and Nauvoo Temple have this). However, newer temples do not include this space and Sunday Sacrament services were discontinued in all temples.

[@samsmom400]

Not back then.

[@samsmom400]

Good. Spending less time doing the work of Satan.

[@larryhullinger4141]

What was the name of this movie?

[@LovingTheLight777]

What movie is this? I want to watch it!!

[@3Tool1]

It's a TV series called Hell on Wheels.

[@alastair4451]

Is that Natalie dormer?

[@marlo2606]

What show is this from

[@jhonathanmarquez9987]

Hell on wheels

[@trevorjennings72Gmail]

Hello Marlo, how are you doing today, hope you’re fine and safe from the Virus?

[@garrygull8354]

Fold of what?

[@agenttexx]

This is interesting. Olive Oatman was one of my ancestors on my grandmother's side of the family. I have a niece named Eva. :D

[@byron2521]

Is this Eva supposed to be based on the historical Mormon woman named Olive Oatman?

[@jimclifford5434]

Yes

[@amypicci12]

What movie is this?

[@jhonathanmarquez9987]

@@amypicci12 show call hell on wheels

[@sunnin1671]

Return and be forgiven ???

[@LogicandReason]

The predator will never stop seeking prey.

[@rob3326]

I liked the first seasons of this show. Until they decided to turn all Mormons into monsters who all abused women or wanted to murder their parents, (oh wait they did do that) kill off one of the 3 lead characters, then another because everyone hated the first and turned the last into something much less than who he was. At least he didn't just let the Swede go. I expected it by the end. And they pulled an Arya Stark season 8 for the finale. Remember how great GOT ended?

[@samsmom400]

"Wife No. 19" by Ann Eliza Young.

[@remogatron1010]

Morons!!

[@never2late454]

The writers sure got the facts and history all wrong in this series. Even the guns they use are fiction.

[@thewadz5878]

I agree. The entire westward expansion is completely wrong, especially the information about the Mormon church.

[@sweetness00734]

I’d hope the guns are fiction I’d hate for them to be real

[@1wDKpmJF]

@@sweetness00734 Alec, is that you?

[@Ditka-89]

I read a lot about Olive Oatman and she was never a prostitute

[@_selva_negra]

Damn, Brigham Young is kinda badass here. Kinda like it.

[@Idahoguy10157]

What show is this?

[@dhyatt52]

Tv show called Hell on Wheels. There are 5 seasons.

[@paulbright5081]

I'm not a Mormon, but I agree that it's never too late to be accepted by God.

[@asshoIe94]

if you're not a mormon, then God doesn't accept you.

[@samsmom400]

The Mormons are not Christians. The rituals done in the temple are Satanic. They believe that Satan and Jesus are brothers and that God literally had sex with Mary. I'm exMormon.

[@paulbright5081]

@jamescheddar4896 Not true James. The God l serve forces Himself on no one. We are all free to accept or reject His sacrifice for fallen man. Deuteronomy 30:19

[@paulbright5081]

@jamescheddar4896 if you don’t believe something exists why do you feel the need to discuss it? I don’t believe unicorns exist, therefore l don’t engage in conversations with people who do. Sounds to me that you may be engaged in behavior that the Bible condemns, and to justify that behavior, you reject the source of the condemnation.

[@paulbright5081]

@jamescheddar4896 You commented on my post James, how is that me harassing you with my beliefs? Live your best life James, we’ll see how things end up.

[@MrCauseEffect]

Huh,this guy sound just like the burned man in fallout new vegas

[@letsgobrandon987]

Quick aside: After Olive Oatman’s parents were killed she was captured by the Indians who eventually named her. The name is basically translated as Rotten Womb. You can imagine the savagery she had to deal with that poor girl.

[@patty-cf7jj]

Not at all. She was treated well and was happy with them.

[@heldermonteiro2718]

@@patty-cf7jj stop with the bs she was enslaved

[@danieljamespo]

@@heldermonteiro2718 You seen to know everything. We’re you there.

[@jasonwilliams4159]

@@danieljamespo not all tribes were peaceful

[@SD-co9xe]

@@patty-cf7jj I think she was captured by one tribe and then sold to the Mohave who treated her well. The first tribe likely did not.

[@Vmmmmm1996]

Olive oatman

[@Hamboarding]

What is that from?

[@samsmom400]

Hell on Wheels

[@TheOGProtestantMormon]

His kind of lady. Me too.

[@Tat2dGothic]

You all griping about historical accuracy have got to be kidding me. Its a stupid tv show and it never claimed that she was portraying Olive Oatman. You guys need to just chill because its FICTION.

[@jjano2320]

Mormons got quite a deal going on.

[@Uploadedimages]

Brighams thinking about his next plural wife ! Male wor he is. Smh

[@AarmOZ84]

Well, he was still getting married even in the 1860s. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@samsmom400]

"Wife No. 19" by Ann Eliza Young

[@spacey118]

Groooooooooossssssss baarf

[@bingo1232]

then she had a child and that child was.... me

[@traviskeller7086]

As a latter-day saint member I find it a little far fetched that the president of the Church would use the term mormon. That word was originally a derogatory insult by the newspapers.

[@samsmom400]

As an exMormon, I find it a little far-fetched that the President of the Church would not tell her that God wanted her to have sex with him or she and her family would all go to hell.

[@masterbulgokov]

Did they leave out the part where he offers her a place with his other 55 wives? I know this is fiction . . . maybe that's why it isn't in there - not fictional enough.

[@jamessatterlee]

That never happened. After her family followed an LDS brake-away movement, she never interacted with the LDS Church again, much less its leadership.

[@masterbulgokov]

@@jamessatterlee Just joking around. I've no idea how much actual history is involved in this show . . . and I'm indifferent to the answer. Sorry if I ruffled feathers.

[@jamessatterlee]

@@masterbulgokov no worries. He did have a lot of wives though, lol.

[@kingmichealthefirstofroman2278]

Brigham young was too tough to kill

[@samsmom400]

That's right. He made other people do it. Read about the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

[@cameronreed1411]

@@samsmom400 that's actually false. A letter from Brigham Young was on its way from salt lake city to where the mountains meadow massacre occured saying to the local leaders to let the caravan / company of people pass with no harm. This letter did not arrive in time to prevent the violence. A very tragic story.

[@samsmom400]

@@cameronreed1411 He ordered the violence. You need to go outside of the Mormon Church to know what really happened. There's documentation and testimonies. They tried to blame the Indians, but it was Mormons who were told to massacre this group of people. This was confirmed and admitted by your multi-billion dollar a year corporation church. They placed all the blame on one man, Lee. He was not alone. Brigham Young was a liar and abuser. If you were to meet someone today, that told you the voice of God told him to marry 40+ women, would you believe him? Would you give all your money to him, trusting that he would keep it "safe" for you until after you crossed 2,000 miles of wilderness on foot (with a really good chance of dying), pushing a handcart with all your worldly goods? And you can't speak the language? Would you follow someone that told you that you can become a god? Well, that's actually what Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow have done. Then, like Smith and Young, anyone who got in the way, they killed. Then they would drag their body through the streets as an example to all other Mormons on what would happen if you "apostatize" . Oh, and they also burned their home down and left their wife and children homeless and destitute. Is that someone you want to trust and believe when you're told that a massacre he ordered arrived too late? Why would such a "humble" people even THINK to do that if they were being "led by the LORD"? It's NEVER ok to murder anyone, for any reason! If that had NOT been taught by the Mormons, maybe the Daybell / Vallow massacre wouldn't have happened. They were following the lead of their predecessors.

[@samuelprice2461]

@@samsmom400 Brigham Young almost certainly had individual people, enemies of the Church, assassinated. But there is no evidence he ever ordered or advocated for massacres of innocents. He tried to stop the massacre but was too late.

[@DustyB]

@@cameronreed1411bullshit

[@FreeSpirit47]

This scene might have happened, or it might not have. It's a great scene either way. Brigham Young could be a fierce as he could be gentle. He was said to be very compassionate & wise. I just love the Lion House cookbooks that is a collection of recipes from back to the time Brigham Young was alive, to some more recent additions. The Lion House was a residence of Brigham Young, named for the two large lion statues at the entrance. It's been turned into a restaurant. Every recipe in every Lion House cookbook is really delicious.

[@trevorjennings72Gmail]

Hello Brenda, how are you doing today, hope you’re fine and safe from the Virus?

[@FreeSpirit47]

@@trevorjennings72Gmail The stolen photo used on your profile & the fake name, isn't fooling anyone, scammer.

[@samsmom400]

"Wife No. 19" by Ann Eliza Young

[@FreeSpirit47]

@@samsmom400 Lion House Christmas Collection ~ no ka oi

[@dollarhugo37]

She is pretty with that tat. mmmmmm

[@alejandroriano3246]

So inaccurate

[@loymichelleneely7525]

I have studied all religions but the Mormons are by far the most imaginative the prophet Moroni must have been on LSD 😂

[@thewadz5878]

This show is so incredibly inaccurate towards the Mormon faith and the westward expansion that it's completely laughable.

[@heldermonteiro2718]

@Gautam Reddy is called propaganda. She was enslaved

[@samsmom400]

The Mormon version is completely laughable. Your right especially about this scene. If it were depicting Young accurately, he would have told her that God would send her and her family to hell if she didn't screw him.

[@thewadz5878]

@@samsmom400 By version you mean actual history. Go ahead and laugh all you want. Mormons were not the only ones to not have monogamous relationships durring the times. Brigham Young yes had multiple wives as did a variety of different cultures and religions throughout the old world. I'm not just saying this show is inaccurate based upon Mormon history alone. There are records from Mormons and others showing everything in this show to be very inaccurate and not the actual truth about history of the westward expansion. Mormons did practice polygamy. But that's not why I wrote my comment. 😆 I wrote what I wrote because the characters and religion aren't being accurately depicted.

[@thewadz5878]

@@samsmom400 If you studied history or any other religions, you would know that Mormons are outliers in Christianity and in their faith. They don't believe they go to hell. After life is for them is separated into three kingdoms of heaven.

[@blank557]

@@samsmom400 Nice slander. A good number of Brigham's wives were elderly women, formerly widows. whom he took care of. Considering the persecution the Church went through, with many murdered by mobs or dying during the trip to Utah, it's important to understand that marriage was method to take care of some widows, who could not take care for themselves, and had no extended family to care for them. Say what you will of plural marriage, which only 5% of the members practiced, at least the husband was committed to care for his wives, unlike those who kept a mistress or sowed their wild oats and left single mothers alone to struggle on their own.

[@theflyingcandleguyme6144]

😂At least they didn’t make him out to be a monster in that scene. I am Mormon. Brigham Young is not my favored character. I am not a fan of our early practice of Polygamy and my faith is well beyond hero worship or the need of church leaders to sustain it. That being said. Brigham young was an inspired leader in many ways. The church is true in ways much more profound than I could ever communicate and the gospel of Christ is perfect. It is not my calling or authority to determine the doctrine or standards for The Church as a whole. It is my testimony that the aspirations of MY church and the inspiration sought by our leaders is more often than not backed by God. When it has been not we paid a tremendous and terrible price and when it has been according to God we have been blessed seemingly immeasurably. By their fruits ye shall know them.

[@heatherracho]

Mormons...... what a crazy cult. And olive oatman lied so much about her time with the natives. But what else could she do a woman with face tattoos back then. She should have stayed 😩

[@LatterDaisySaint]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is hardly a crazy cult.

[@DustyB]

@@LatterDaisySaintyou literally baptized corpses my guy

[@karlgharst5420]

Book of Mormon only mentions three women by name, such is their respect for their mindless sheep!

[@anniehasting1133]

*six Not that six is so great, but it’s accurate, whereas three is inaccurate.

[@karlgharst5420]

@@anniehasting1133 Can you name them?

[@anniehasting1133]

@@karlgharst5420 yeah bc I googled this ofc

[@kbtken]

This is exactly why women can’t be real pimps. As soon as a real man that is a player in the game steps to them all women will exhibit their natural feminine nature. It is as undeniable as water being wet

[@DustyB]

Sexist here