Britain's Oldest Commercial Train - 1938 Stock/Class 483

[@davidjgomm]

It's quite amazing how a simple change in livery can so dramatically alter the appearance of these train sets (for better or worse).

[@tonynelson8594]

The 1938 stock was always red. When later versions were introduced, mainly 1959 and 1962 stock, these were aluminium bodied and not painted.

[@BigBadJohn5358]

The red 1938 stock could've still been running today if they just replaced the motors, probably cheaper than building whole new trains every time! Red is London's colour, its buses are red - except in advertising liveries. They could've even been vestibuled so you could walk through the whole train - like the S stock on the sub-surface lines, on that topic, the red flare-skirted O and P trains could've also been vestibuled like main line trains and still been running today with new motors.

[@randomscb-40charger78]

@@BigBadJohn5358 Adding new motors would only go so far, and that's not even mentioning disability access requirements.

[@MontytheHorse]

The 38 Stock still looks quite modern, even after eight decades.

[@poznanskiszybkowiec_official]

True. But Not in the Case of the Traction Motors, Besides. Many Consists were Taken Out of service to Be Stripped For Parts, Which Are No Longer Produced...

[@totalal4601]

lol it does not! :D

[@totalal4601]

@@isleofwighttransport ah, I am only suggesting the 1938 stock do not look modern at all!

[@isleofwighttransport]

@@totalal4601 oh sorry 😂😂😂

[@jonnyj.]

@@totalal4601 Yes it DOES look modern!!

[@v8pilot]

I'm always amazed how modern the London Underground must have seemed in the 1930's - streamline style stations, modern electric trains.

[@davidabbott5142]

I joined LT in early 1970 on Northern line first as a guard then drove them. I loved them they each had there own characteristic features. All had electro pneumatic braking and a Westinghouse pure braking system. The driving cab was small and seats uncomfortable. Used to knock you around when going around bends. I then worked in the depot as shunting staff then when the PPP came in moved to rolling stock side on maintaining these. I was part of the team that helped replace these but very very sad to see them go. I worked on 1938 1959 1962 1972 mark 1 and 2 and of course the new trains now the 1995 stock before ATO fully came in. Left LT/Alstom 2013 leaving as an instructor and depot protection master. Loved every minute of it.

[@andron2348]

You forgot the 56 Stock, which is very strange as like me you would have had stock training on them by a Tranmans Inspector, like Terry Rycroft,

[@jasonskerritt5258]

Their* own

[@donk1822]

I remember looking up at the dangling handles when I was a child and wondering how long it would be before I could reach them.

[@robertp.wainman4094]

So uniquely London.

[@avigdonable]

Hahaha

[@bostonrailfan2427]

@@robertp.wainman4094 …New York and Boston beg to differ. they even have an insult derived from them: straphanger

[@robertp.wainman4094]

@@bostonrailfan2427 True - but to a rather different design.

[@millomweb]

The '38 stock is my memory of the Tube. The dangly balls lived on but gone were the 'wooden door mats' that matched the wooden escalators. My impression of the transport - with rapid acceleration - and 'notches' - was that it was designed for transport and not comfort. Getting from A to B was the primary function. The Newcastle Metro was noisier - motors-wise.

[@kaitlyn__L]

I’ve now heard “stock” used so many times in such quick succession that it has ceased to sound like a real word.

[@paulukjames7799]

That is a condition known as Semantic satiation it happened to me a long time ago with the word bridge but he did over use the stock word.

[@u0aol1]

Here's a trick... when you hear the word stock, force your brain to think about a sock, you'll eventually get the feeling of the word stock back. For bridge you could use bride, or ridge, just make yourself think bride every time you hear bridge. Forcing yourself to re-recognize the word as an actual word by considering similar sounding words.

[@ozoneau]

I counted "53" stocks. Enough for a market.

[@kake_dnb1422]

chicken stock

[@EgoShredder]

Eventually he will run out of stock... 😉

[@Pulsarnix]

I went to the Isle of Wight in the last few months of their operation. I'm so glad I got on one before they were withdrawn.

[@emjackson2289]

I have to pinch myself at times when I see TfL footage showing how much things have changed in my lifetime.

[@jimtaylor294]

Had heard of these via another channel some months back; oddly heartwarming to know for sure now that they're getting some preservation TLC, after giving the better part of a century's sterling service.

[@aquilarossa5191]

Isle Of Wight must feel like the youngest of many siblings, i.e, the end receiver of hand me downs.

[@callumthornelow2936]

Been like for years, the new 484s are the closest thing to a new train they've had since almost a century, as pretty much the only thing the D stock and 484's have in common are the body shells and the bogies.

[@BigBadJohn5358]

The 1938 stock was half a century old when it first went to the IoW. The 1923 trains started on the island at 44 years old.

[@fuzzylon]

I have fond memories of these - for the first five years of my life we lived between Maida Vale and Warwick Avenue and travelled on these a lot.

[@prof.hectorholbrook4692]

Me too. Watford Junction to Baker Street, when the Bakerloo went out that far.

[@infrequentvlogs4433]

I'm American.... but from 1976 to 1078 we lived 2 blocks from Maida Vale station. You could buy a soft serve cone, with a Cadbury Flake in it, at the entry... and BELIEVE ME, I'm sure I argued for that cone every single trip.

[@peterjohnson4932]

I've said this elsewhere, but for me, the 1938 stock was THE tube train. I have fond memories of riding in them as a child in the early 60's from my home station, Mornington Crescent.

[@simonwinter8839]

Not the padded cells ? !!😅

[@peterjohnson4932]

@@simonwinter8839 ???

[@simonwinter8839]

@@peterjohnson4932 "Padded cell" Unofficial name given by travelling public to the carriages used on the City and South London railway (now part of the Northern line) from 1890.No I wasn't around then !!

[@TestGearJunkie.]

Now permanently closed, from what I understand. Never used it, but used to work at Camden Town in the early 70's. Loved the 38 stock.

[@peterjohnson4932]

@@TestGearJunkie. Mornington Crescent is closed?

[@maxkite4170]

I was brought up and lived in Morden. When commuting up to London at the age of 50, I was a passenger in rolling stock that was the same age as myself - and it FELT like it!

[@stewartdorrell2506]

I was disappointed that there was so few shots of the interiors of the stock- the aspect that I remember from travelling in London between 1965 and 1968.

[@darthwiizius]

I can remember going to London in the 70s with my mum and we rode the the 38s and the 62s and 72s. The 38s seemed a little worn out but when inside they just felt more civilised than the "futuristic" well lit more modern strip lit trains. It was almost like you would expect some decent, slightly eccentric chap sporting a Trilby and smoking a pipe to sit down and start a pleasant chat about something or other. There were a lot of old B&W films on on Saturday mornings in the 70s which may have coloured my preconceptions but it is worth noting that as a small child that couldn't reach the balls how people gave up their seats for me without request, so perhaps the interiors did lead to a more civilised behaviour?

[@SussexHistory]

Fascinating stuff. I never went on the 1938 stock, but I did ride on the earlier 1925 trains when I visited the Isle of Wight.

[@moaningpheromones]

I've never been on the 1925 trains but I thought all underground trains were red thanks to the 1938 stock on the bakerloo.

[@christopherpaine56]

Word of the day “stock”

[@nathantew946]

Anyone would think we where at a cooking class.

[@andysedgley]

@@nathantew946 Or an investment tutorial

[@hesterclapp9717]

@@andysedgley Or a railway history documentary Oh wait...

[@eddiewillers1]

@@nathantew946 Or at an agricultural show.

[@davidwardle5]

Or talking about 1/3 of a 1980s record producing trio?

[@radiosnail]

Used to ride the 38 stock back in the late 70s on the Bakerloo Line and marvelling at the 1937 date and thinking they were much more comfortable than the newer stock.

[@hesterclapp9717]

RIP '38 stock. You will be fondly missed.

[@Keithbarber]

But some units are preserved so it's not quite all over yet

[@warweezil2802]

Gutted that covid prevented me having just one more “in service” ride .... loved driving these.

[@Keithbarber]

@@warweezil2802 unfortunately Chris a fair number of people missed that moment of being there to see it

[@warweezil2802]

They were nice machines to drive ... it’s not rose tinted spectacles... I was actually happy if one of those turned up when I was picking up during a duty. Heavier than the 59s etc that was derived from them I would happily have worked them all day every day when I was on the Northern line. Guess I was born far too late 😂🤣

[@Trainman10715]

the 38 stock probably outlived every single person who designed and built it, impressive for an emu

[@THEFORBIDDENMAN-lk7of]

IM LUCKY TO KNOW SOMEONE WHO BUILT THEM AND STILL IS OUT LIVING THEM

[@JasonNeil]

To think I used to ride these trains in London as a boy and loving the fact that they where old only to move to the IOW in my teens and rediscovering them travelling between Ryde and Sandown.

[@jasonskerritt5258]

Were* old

[@beachbum4691]

Fascinating how sharp and stylised everything was in the 1930s, it got shabby in the years after the war: but has sharpened up markedly in more recent years.... :)

[@stephinepaul7483]

Rest well you rolling Workaholics.

[@LP_LP_LP_LP]

Luckily got to ride one of these just before we went into lockdown, they were very bumpy and corroded but absolutely charming trains.

[@stephenbrookes7268]

Back in the 80s I am sure I once rode in a 1920s train on the central line. I also find old trains very charming. Apart from preservation railways, the most evocative old train I ever rode in on a mainline service was a, La Brugeoise from 1913 on the Buenos Aires Subte Linea A. The line had been preserved as it was when it opened in 1913. When you wish to board or egress at your station you had to manually open the doors, but they were closed by the guard remotely. The trains had been lovingly maintained and restored, with all the original un-upholstered slatted seats, glass lampshades and fittings. All trains in Buenos Aires have vanity mirrors at regular points, as Portenos always want to look their best! In fact I am sure it is against the law there to not be beautiful.

[@surreygoldprospector576]

A lot of the bumpy ride on the I.O.W. was due to the track which was awful. Before the D-stock started running Network Rail closed the line and put in new track on the worst stretches, thankfully.

[@DavidMarfe]

When you think everyone involved in the 1938 in the early days are either dead or almost 100 years old or over when it left service.

[@MrGregHiller]

What a very interesting and informative video, with a most beautifully spoken and clear commentary. Thank you enormously for posting.

[@TheJonathanNewton]

2:30 Large parts of the Tube are ventilated by the trains pushing air in front of them, as pistons in pumps. Streamlining train fronts somewhat negates that.

[@torgeirbrandsnes1916]

Great vlog as always. The oldest vessel we have in Norway is a paddel steamer. «Skibladner» was but into service on lake Mjøsa in 1856 and she still runs the same service as she did back then. Since the start it has been a summer only use.

[@stevie-ray2020]

I found this very interesting despite being an Australian who has never been to England, nor travelled on the Underground. The only overseas destination I've been to was New Zealand, where I spent several months in 1982 working & then touring both islands by rail/bus. These days they run the heritage steam-train called the 'Marlborough Flyer' up & down the South Island's east coast for passengers, but in 1982 when a 10-day rail-pass allowed you to travel on any of NZ's rail-routes & coaches (where there wasn't any trains) you left the Inter-Island Ferry at Picton, then boarded a train to Christchurch. Then it was just a diesel-electric locomotive hauling 4-6 carriages (can't remember exact number), but the unusual thing was that the carriages quite recognisable as from the London Underground, so my guess is that those trailer-units may have been 1932 stock withdrawn from service in the mid 1970's (or earlier), then shipped to NZ because import-duty on new goods was exorbitantly crippling back then! Incidentally, while at Auckland's Transport Museum, I had the opportunity to also to have a short ride on an old Routemaster bus & a tram from Melbourne (which is another city I haven't ever visited)!

[@Tom-Lahaye]

Although the carriages you refer to look a bit similar due to the rounded roof ends they weren't 1938 tube stock. The tube stock was significantly lower in height than those NZR coaches, and had their doors continuing into the roof itself. The NZR coaches, being designed around the same time (1930s) had end doors terminating at the cantrail, they were built by NZR own workshops. There are however British imports more recently, they are second hand MK2 coaching stock, and some got minor overhauls and are still very recognisable as MK2 coaches, but others as used on Wellington suburban services had involving rebuilds and were shortened and fitted with 2 center vestibules with sliding doors. In the video there is a 1938 tube set standing next to a BR EMU of some sort, and this towers above the tube stock, NZR coaches are almost similar in height to BR stock, despite being narrow gauge instead of standard gauge.

[@stevie-ray2020]

@@Tom-Lahaye Okay, thanks for that info.

[@offrails]

They might have been NZR 56ft carriages (commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:JA1271_Opapa_16Feb2003_JChristianson.jpg) or repurposed railcars (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NZR_RM_class_(88_seater)#Grassgrubs). On a related note, the Wellington suburban network operated a "cousin" of the 1938 stock up until 2012 in the form of the English Electric DM class EMU (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_DM_class_electric_multiple_unit). When the network received new EMUs in the 1980s, the old trains were retained to work the Johnsonville line due to its limited loading gauge in the tunnels (just like on the Isle of Wight), though the tunnels have since been enlarged to allow modern EMUs to run on the route. Having ridden the 1938 stock on the Island Line, as well as the D Stock on the District Line (plus a few Melbourne trams to boot), I'm curious as to how the much larger Class 484s will fit through the Ryde Tunnel

[@stevie-ray2020]

@@offrails After looking at those Wikipedia pages & the links on them, I have to agree that they must've been NZR 56ft carriages due to the fact that they were fitted with heaters & it was the middle of Winter; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NZR_56-foot_carriage (your link didn't work). However, they could've been NZR 88ft carriages after all, but it was many years ago!

[@simonwood6932]

When I first worked in London in the early 1990s, the 1939 English Electric built trains ordered by the former Southern Railway for the Waterloo and City Line were still operating (www.bloodandcustard.com/SR-WC.html). Although much smaller, they reminded me a lot of the similar vintage English Electric EMUs in Wellington

[@brianfretwell3886]

The earlier (1923, codes VEC and TIS) was used first on the Isle of Wight as they thought they electrical equipment being above the floor would protect it from the sea when using Ryde pier high seas.

[@johnmurrell3175]

Salt water and steel is not a good combination . Salt water , aluminium skin on a Steel frame is even worse both corrosion and Electrolysis I wonder what trains are built like that and are expected to operate in a salt spray atmosphere ?

[@simplesimon2802]

The opening film clips show a different type of train - 1959 / 1962 stock

[@lapiswake6583]

Great video. A big shame they ended service during a pandemic, which meant that spotters couldn't travel to ride them before they went. I'd planned to go to the IoW in august 2020, both with my family for a holiday and with the National Methodist Youth Brass Band for our Beaches and Bandstands tour. But of course these trips were cancelled, so when I eventually go to the IoW, it'll be D stock I ride on instead of 38 stock.

[@jimtaylor294]

Aye. With a bit of cruel irony; I was considering a trip to the Isle of Wight in 2020. Narrowly missed out on them.

[@London-trainspotting]

Anyone who is sad cuz its not in Service go check this train at the London Transport Museum its there

[@azuma7628]

OMG a quality documentary of my favourite Tube stock. Thanks! I must watch this later.

[@Tuckaway]

Fondly remembered, as soon as I think of London underground trains, the first thing that springs to mind is the 1938 tube stock. The steel bodies did not like the Ryde Pier marine environment.

[@oludotunjohnshowemimo434]

I can see where the 1959, 1962 and A60 stocks got their design from.

[@luislealsantos]

Well done. Very detailed as usual. Thanks for your video and hard work.

[@toomanyuserids]

I remember them coming into.the station seeing Cockfosters or Kings X on the sign strip

[@eottoe2001]

Thanks for the post. I remember reading this in college. I forgot most of this, so it is like new to me again.

[@MrGriser]

The Class 483's were refurbished before 20076 because I remember seeing red ones with the Metropolitan seats in 2005.

[@stephenrgow]

Two units were done a few years before the others, so in 2005 both liveries were co-existing.

[@peterb514]

Fabulously accurate and detailed video. I’ve no idea where the footage was found, but the inclusion of the 1960 Stock ATO train stopping at Grange Hill tunnel took me back to my childhood... I used to watch the trains for hours standing on that footbridge! Fascinating.

[@paulspeight8398]

I guess at the ATO footage was taken in around 1970, The train operator in the video was my father Bill Speight,

[@jonistan9268]

Even though it wasn't really useful, the streamlined front ot the 1935 stock trains does look very good and very futuristic.

[@threedeesrail6144]

Totally agree was unaware of this stock version maybe make a 3d print of it hmmmm

[@doughunt9621]

At ~9 minutes the commentary refers to 'driving trailers'. These are actually DMs, driving motors. There were three other types of '38' stock, trailers (T) , non-driving motors (NDM) and from 1948, uncoupling non-driving motors (UNDM). The last of these were NDMs with an auto coupler at one end, which enabled them to be formed at the inner end of a 3 car unit to enable auto uncoupling. There had been driving trailers in the previous standard stock and earlier types, but none in the 38 stock. These trailers were, as intimated by their name, an unpowered trailer car with a driving cab

[@theopinionatedbystander]

The 38 stock was the first train I drove in 1982 while I was still in training to be a guard, on the “East India Docks line”. and about 9 months later became a northern line driver, then a district line driver.. the 38 stock was a beast, I loved it.

[@Isochest]

Brilliant video on such a good piece of UK Railway rolling stock

[@AJSAN1971]

Last day with London Transport was in May 1988 and the Northern Line was the last line to operate them. Four of the refurbished Bakerloo units were transferred to the Northern to bolster services there after the Bakerloo had finished with them.

[@ianmcclavin]

There was a delay of over a year between their final appearances on the Bakerloo in 1985, and their reinstatement on the Northern. Their Northern Line duties on this final stint in passenger service only occurred in rush hours Monday to Friday 1987-89, I did manage to take a ride on one from Edgware right through to Morden before their withdrawal one evening, and several trips on the Isle of Wight since.

[@THEFORBIDDENMAN-lk7of]

THE FIRST OF THE FIVE WAS PAINTED SILVER / GRAY THEY DID NOT WANT JOE PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT THE 38`S WERE BACK - LOOKED TERRIBLE AND YOU KNOW WHAT IT WAS , SO THEY REPAINTED BACK TO IT`S PROPER LIVERY , THEY SPENT MONTHS IN THE DEPOT SHEDS AT GOLDERS JUST TO DRY THEM OUT AND ONLY ONE COMPRESSOR AT EACH END WAS WORKING, WHICH CAUSED A PROBLEM WHEN THEY WERE PREPARED FOR SERVICE BY THE TRAIN CREW WHEN THEY WERE IN THE SHEDS, AS THE SHED LEAD IN THE REAR HAD TO REMAIN IN THE TRAIN JUST TO MAKE THE COMPRESSORS WORK BOTH ENDS AND WAS REMOVERD BY THE GUARD WHEN THE DRIVER TOLD THEM THAT THEY WERE GOING INTO SERVICE, AS THE COMPRESSORE ON THE FRONT COULD NOT MAINTAIN ENOUGH AIR PRESSURE TO MOVE THE TRAIN, AS THE YEARS WHENT BY THEY BEHAVED LIKE THE 56/59/62 STOCKS AS SPEARE FUSES AND OTHER EQUIPMENT FROM THE LATTER STOCK TRAINS WERE THE ONLY THINGS AVAILABLE , SO MUCH STUFF WAS ROBBED FROM THE MIDDLES OF THESE TRAINS THAT 7 OF THEM BECAME PERMANANT TRAINS THAT WERE NOT ALLOWED TO BE UNCOUPLED IN THE MIDDLE SO HAD TO WORK AS 7 CAR SETS FOR THE REST OF THEIR SERVICE LIFE

[@philipread8733]

Excellent video. Just shows how long good engineering lasts for !

[@millomweb]

LOL 300 year old bridges..... 500 year old bridges........ 1000 year old bridges....... 3000 year old bridge !!!!

[@millomweb]

.......www.mcginley.co.uk/news/the-uk-s-oldest-bridges/bp324

[@henands69]

I still remember them operating on the Bakerloo Line.

[@steeveedee4307]

Me too. Loved the old round bulbs and hanger straps.

[@prof.hectorholbrook4692]

Me too. Used to commute part way on those. Full of character & charisma.

[@spookyf1]

Three two car units extant and a single unit around the corner from us unless that’s a two car set also, haven’t been to see it yet. Still one two car set at St John’s Road

[@RCassinello]

The observation car on the PDSR is still in commercial service, built c.1920.

[@mattikaki]

Ooooh. How I love the London Underground. The odor! It is the thing which I don’t forget. And how fine system it is. Here in Finland we have only two straight metro lines whereas in London the Circle Line makes it really working. When the Corona is over, I’ll take a trip to London and just sit on a bench and sniff that odor. Wonder if it is available as bottled? Yes, I am serious. I have old tarred marline hemp cord which I smell time by time.

[@LikeMindedIncident]

Yeh I remember that smell. I think it was a mixture of the motors/axle oil and door compressor oil. Always wanted it to put on my layout long time ago. Best

[@moogmike1]

Very enjoyable video, well researched and presented.

[@Robslondon]

Nice video. Love the old 1938 Stock :-)

[@BigBadJohn5358]

If they were just refitted with motors made in 1978 then 2018 they could still be running on London Underground. Every 40 years put new motors on.

[@Finglesham]

When Britain actually made long-lasting trains for its own use. How sad we are now buying stuff that is just throw away.

[@bostonrailfan2427]

…not so much long-lasting, more like unable to afford to buy new stock

[@Cancun771]

@@bostonrailfan2427 PRE-WAR QUALITY!!1

[@billpugh58]

100 years of predominantly Tory governments. They extract wealth and distribute it to their donors.

[@floriderfux8534]

Lots of TrainLove ♥ from Germany! I was so sad to hear that those beautiful trains have been replaced on the Isle of Wight! It's one of my favorite trains ever and my favorite route on Train Simulator and as silly as it sounds, I actually wanted to visit the island so that once in my life I could ride this lovely train from Ryde to Shanklin... but a couple years ago they have been replaced. This is true train nostalgica, thanks for this awesome video!!

[@tomedy_official]

The very last unit was still at the depot when I went last week you can see in my vlog

[@giantfrigginnerd]

Those dinosaur livery trains were always nice to see in the depo at St Johns

[@Grepes2]

These days people on trains : looking on phones People in 1938 on trains : everyone with their thick newspaper 😳

[@TestGearJunkie.]

Last time we were in London a couple of months ago we were the *_only_* people *_not_* glued to bloody smartphones 🙄

[@Archangel_exe]

Can you do a video on Network Southeast, please?

[@buggs9950]

If I say stock two more times, that's 96 stocks in this stocked up rhyme' - Fred Durst, maybe

[@somax1259]

i just realised that when they were retired they were 82 years old damn

[@markgatland977]

Growing up in the '70s and '80s with a Central Line station as my local station, these were my Tubes 😊

[@Tara-li6pg]

I rode these while visiting the isle of Wight as a kid I remember the dinosaur livery

[@TrainNutter]

Theres a 3rd Isle of Wight unit to be preserved as a static-display using the former bembridge branchline platform (Platform 3) at Brading station The unit is to be painted & restored into Network South-East livery and some of the interior will change

[@jimtaylor294]

Grand news :-)

[@winco68]

Is that still going ahead? I had read somewhere that the local council had blocked it as they would be ultimately responsible for the upkeep of the unit as they own Brading station and weren’t prepared to finance it? That was late last year maybe they’ve had a change of heart?

[@ianr]

As usual well researched,narrated and presented. Excellent video! 👍

[@N00N01]

Metro camel:the only PROPER MU builder XD

[@michaelcampin1464]

Let's hope the Ongar and Epping can make it into a century

[@Shipwright1918]

Only experienced these courtesy of Train Sim World 2, but I rather like to drive them as they're old fashioned and interesting compared to more modern units.

[@glencwilson]

Remember going to school on these ( and some older ones). Interesting video.

[@johnkellett7797]

Surely the narrow gauge locomotives built in the 1860s and still running on the Ffestiniog Railway in Wales are the oldest commercial trains:-)

[@THEFORBIDDENMAN-lk7of]

AND THE VAULK RAILWAY IN BOURNMOUTH WERE THE FIRST ELECTRIC RAILWAY STARTED

[@Jack-hg1hq]

Hey maybe northern rail could update to these

[@michaelsansom6]

Excellent! Very comprehensive and some very interesting clips and stills. Thank you!

[@rosiehawtrey]

Ah, the summer armpit-cheese heat shimmer as the underground train doors open; and the sudden green look of the teenage girls, just tall enough to get a perfect mix of armpit and backside fumes... The joys of the London Underground.

[@bfapple]

008 is also going to Epping-Ongar.

[@arboischarmsninja1157]

Where is 007 going?

[@bfapple]

@@arboischarmsninja1157 Bond is going to Albania. I kid - IoW Steam Railway.

[@Armadilling]

thanks for the video to start my sunday

[@WS-1]

Hugely interesting and informative . The 1938 tube train is to say the least iconic , and it is good to hear that some examples have been preserved .

[@grumpyoldman47]

Didn't some of the 1938 tube trains run with one 'Standard' trailer, certainly during the 1960s on (I think) the Northern Line? Some trailers didn't have end doors (just two pairs at 1/3 and 2/3 along each side) and a different roof line. There seems to be one of them at 3mins 4 secs as well (easily identified by different livery)

[@norbitonflyer5625]

They did, but it was the Bakerloo

[@lesreed9269]

Remember using the 38 stock many times, in the 1960s - from Upton Park to Upminster on the District Line. Thanks for another good post. Les.

[@warweezil2802]

Not sure that would have been 38s as they are full on tube stock, you may be confusing them with Q stock which was also red but was a “sub surface” stock built for the larger “cut and cover” tunnels that form the District and Met lines where they run sub surface in central London. The District was later run by CO/CP stock (also red)

[@lesreed9269]

@@warweezil2802 Possibly, Chris. I only have my memory of my dad telling me they were! Just looked at some Q stock pictures - there were certainly some of those that I travelled on - with the elevated (clerestory) roof, along with the "non-elevated roof" type!

[@norbitonflyer5625]

@@lesreed9269 The similar looking O, P and R stock also operated on the District, and lasted longer than the Q stock - until about 1980, when they were replaced by the D stock. Post-war R stock was not red but unpainted aluminium (the LT workshops having learned how to work with that metal whilst building aircraft for the war effort - the Routemaster was another product of that experience)

[@pomoeeyore]

So... now the 483s have gone, what's the oldest passenger rolling stock on British mainline raliways? HSTs?

[@norbitonflyer5625]

Probably the Class 313s on the Coastway services (it's not only people who retire to the Sussex coast....), unless any of the carriages from the prototype HST are still in service (most were absorbed into the main fleet, a couple were converted for use in the Royal Train - does that count?) The 1972 stock on the Bakerloo line is older, as are the Class 57 and 73 locomotives that haul sleeper services - albeit extensively rebuilt and with new engines.

[@swiper1818]

superb video - excellent and very educational!

[@poznanskiszybkowiec_official]

To Be Honest, When I 1st Heard Of The Class 483. It Seemed Like a Legit And Life-Extension Bringing Transfer. But Since The Class 484 (Ex. LU D78 Stock) Appeared On the Island Line, Nothing's The Same. Besides, Class 483 Was A Deep-Level Tube type, so It Fitted within the Tunnel Between Ryde Esplanade And Ryde St. John's Road. Using The Sub-Surface Tube Forces The Local Authorities to Rebuilt the Line Between those 2 stations Entirely, For All i Heard. There were Many Proposals, Like The Replacement the 483s with the Much Newer 1972 or 1967 Stock, Which were Also the Deep-Level Tube. To me, It's Controversial. Because The Sub-Surface is Not Only Taller than the Deep-Tube, But Also The D Stock Have the Single-Leaf Doors, Which Is not Helpful at Rush Hours. To me, This Whole Procedure is Quite Fishy. In my Opinion, if the 1967 or 1972 Stock trains were Introduced In the 1st place, This wouldn't Have happened... Let's just hope that Their Future is not about scrapping...

[@norbitonflyer5625]

The main rebuilding needed was not the tunnel but the stations, where the track had to be lowered to suit the higher floors of the 484s compared to the 483s.

[@GasoliniASMR]

Excellent work as usual!

[@iman2341]

Even incomplete, the New Works Program can probably be credited with a large portion of the character of London.

[@1258-Eckhart]

shame about the Northern Heights though.

[@davidabbott5142]

Yes the other item relating to stock is the word Tube Sock as opposed to the much larger Surface stock.

[@SonicVineyard]

Brilliant!

[@garybrown4449]

Glad you can follow the script. You definitely have me confused.

[@dmv5552]

Lovely documentary on a really iconic train. Utilitarian they may have been but did their job for fifty plus years in London and another thirty plus on the IOW. Given the restricted size available on the tube they were remarkably roomy and could shift an incredible number of people quickly, albeit not very comfortably. The next grandad type to go is the 1972 stock on the Bakerloo I presume but it hasn't quite got to fifty years old yet so may be around for a few years more!!

[@RailPreserver2K]

Are there plans to save the last ones that are serviceable

[@n1thmusic229]

Yes like 4 or 5 units were preserved in working order

[@THEFORBIDDENMAN-lk7of]

I CANT SEE THEM DOING MANY MORE RAIL TOURS ON LONDON UNDERGROUND ONCE ALL THE LINES BECOME AUTOMATIC FOR ONE REASON BEING TYPICAL NOT ALL A.T.O. SYSTEMS ARE THE SAME ON THE TUBE

[@cannadineboxill-harris2983]

I needed to know why don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they can extend the unused abandoned underground stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock and that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo TD102KF, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers. A Stock Trains and also having 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it more bigger and extend it to bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those 4 European countries such as Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Train tunnel into a High Speed train? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Train line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those 4 European countries such as Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 37 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project that is OK for London Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street and also make another brand new tunnel train stations in Chingford could they extend the DLR? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo TD102KF, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and they can order Every 17 Octagon and Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique minor no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 117MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 117MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 16 Tonnes for all of the 117MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are Told!! And please do something about these very important Professional ideas Please Prime Minister of England, the Prime Minister of Sweden, the Prime Minister of Germany, the Prime Minister of Italy, the Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.

[@THEFORBIDDENMAN-lk7of]

LONDONS A LONG WAY FROM IOW

[@slendermanRblx]

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[@martinda7446]

As you step onto these trains the date and maker is found on the door entry footplate. As a kid going to school I remember particularly loving the Bakerloo line trains with ancient stock including the 1938 stock. I also travelled on the District line and we had two types in operation in around 1970 the earliest with raised roof was either 20s or 30s and I'm kicking myself for not remembering. The floors had wooden sections which were all worn down by constant trafic. The doors of all trains had written above them 'Obstructing the doors causes delay and can be dangerous' which they have now amended. Edit PS we also had the bus before the Routemaster in common service the RT, which was still around in 1978 for sure. They were lovely inside with a green transmission tunnel /heater? between the front seat pairs.

[@dmv5552]

I can also dimly remember catching a District Line train in the mid 60s that had the clerestory roof and an oval window for the driver. It looked positively antiquated but as I recall ran like any of the other District Line trains (CO/CP and R stock by then).

[@martinda7446]

@@dmv5552 the clerestory roof Aha! Thank you. I loved them inside,and yes, they sure went just like the rest.

[@martinda7446]

@@dmv5552 I also remember pressing all the buttons pretending to be a guard...Looking out the door up and down the station finger over buttons ..trying to anticipate the real guard somewhere else...

[@grumpyoldman47]

You're remembering the Q stock. This can best be described as a "right mix", as some was formed form older pre-LPTB stock with a flat front to the clerestory, and some curved into the clerestory. However, not all Q had a clerestory roof; there were some new build vehicles with the flared bodies of COP/R, and I think some of the Rs actually started as new build Qs Confused?

[@martinda7446]

@@grumpyoldman47 Yes, I was looking...Thanks very much and YES it gets very confusing. I do remember just how beautiful every part of these and the contemporary British Rail mainline carriages, and indeed the busses, were compared to today. I'm sure it's right that safety should be the first consideration. Yet if it were up to me quality and style would come first. I drive classic motor cars and know they would concertina and crumble in a serious accident. But they are so beautiful it's hard to look at a modern car. Also why I'm a careful and considerate driver...(Well I think I am..)😺

[@Andrewjg_89]

The Class 483 will be missed. Goodbye 1938 Stock.

[@skydiamond8705]

You should make more videos about tube stock

[@macjim]

The streamlined noses were much better looking than the recently withdrawal units... I must get my ears syringed, I thought you said chief engineer graph paper 🤣 I have travelled on both types of the ex-London underground stock but not in London, but on the Isle of Wight ‘mainline’. Finally, the travelling public will have a greatly improved railway when the new stock enters service in a few months.

[@edcola6671]

Whatever the Underground hasn’t finished eating, the Island Line finishes its plate.

[@richardclarke376]

unbelievable that after 70 years some shyster was charging 140,000 a year for that equipment!

[@THEFORBIDDENMAN-lk7of]

HE - HE - HE SADLY YOUR IN THE REALMS OF ALMOST HAVING TO MAKE EVERY SINGLE PART AS THERE ARE I000`S OF THINGS THAT NEED DOING AND REPLACING WITH NONE ON THE SHELF AND THEY HAVE TO PASS FIT FOR SERVICE EVERY DAY , TRAIN M.O.T.S EVERY 7 / 14 DAYS , 6 MONTH, AND YEARLY OVERHAULS AND THEY GOT TO PASS THEM

[@drstevenrey]

I would love to knock this thing for six, but it actually looks really cute. In fact, I think it is probably the single best looking train set in Britain, ever.

[@simontaylor2319]

For design & longevity I would put the 1938 stock and the Routemaster as 2 of the most successful forms of transfort ever

[@TerryClarkAccordioncrazy]

5:15 looks like he visited the Wheeltappers And Shunters at lunchtime.

[@adrianbrown7070]

483008 is going to Onger too...

[@isleofwighttransport]

No don’t think so

[@stuew6]

Hey TTC First Subway were build in Gloucester by Gloucester Railways Carriage & Wagon Company . we Call G-Series

[@Openbaarmaker]

Ah, Edgware to Bushy Heath, which is now a nothing...

[@THEFORBIDDENMAN-lk7of]

BLOODY HITLER ITS ALL HIS FAULT THAT THE NORTHEN HIGHTS BIT THE DUST