British Steam Trains Invade The Layout!

[@DynamicDuo795]

(Paul Revere) "The British are coming, the British are coming!"

[@nostalgiakarlk.f.7386]

He actually would have said "The redcoats are coming!"

[@marleyrios1573]

Oh yeah

[@Streaky100001]

It's worth noting with the missing smoke deflectors, they weren't always fitted to the coronation class. They were a later addition, similar is true with many British engines, they got smoke deflectors in later modifications. (I believe the design theory was build it with out and if the crew complain that the lack of deflectors causes an issue retroactively fit them at that point lol) And in fact, while double checking my facts before posting this, I came across an old black and white photo of Dutches of Buccleuch without the deflectors.

[@jasonjohnson892]

You're absolutely right. Especially when the LMS started building the non-streamlined versions brand new, they never got the smoke deflectors. It wasn't til around the mid-late 50s that they all had smoke deflectors installed. I honestly like both variations. Though MTH made one error, their piston covers weren't painted green. In real life they were were black with the orange lining.

[@rogerwatt3154]

@@jasonjohnson892 The last two Coronations, numbers 6256 and 46257 were built with smoke deflectors from new. 46257 always carried the '4' prefix as it was completed after nationalization in 1948.

[@jasonjohnson892]

@@rogerwatt3154 I always forget those last two Coronations lol. Especially since they were built under BR not LMS.

[@trevithickrob]

Hopefully one day we see a model of the LNER A1 Peppercorn Tornado. It is a crowd funded stream locomotive. The people who set the trust up for that steam engine, have plans to make mods engines and gave advice to the people making the T-1.

[@lucasquintanilla1673]

Apparently their newest locomotive LNER 2007 Prince of Wales is going to be completed hopefully sometime this year and they have as a result already started on making their next engine

[@KPen3750]

I would like to provide some fill in History: The Princess Coronations were a development of the previous Princess Royal 4-6-2's and featured a more powerful boiler with more tubes, and slightly larger cylinders and valves (Both designs had 4 cylinders). In turn, this led to better steam production and on tap power, though their tractive effort was more or less the same. Originally they were built with streamlining to compete with the LNER A4's, but the Streamlining wasn't that much of a benefit, unlike that of the A4's. These engines were used on the nonstop London to Glasgow expresses, and by the end of WWII, all engines had their streamlining removed and built to the same look of Duchess of Abercorn (streamlining hurts the maintenance and serviceability of engines). 3 of them still survive today, with Duchess of Hamilton being re-built with her streamlining in the Railway Museum in York, and Duchess of Sutherland being a regular steamer on railtours. City of Birmingham however is couped up in the museum of science in Birmingham.

[@jasperbarnes4544]

If I recall correctly, the Duchesses were some of the most powerful steam passenger locomotives ever

[@lolroflpmsl]

Hit well over 110 mph on one run as well - very powerful and fast.

[@KPen3750]

@@jasperbarnes4544 in the British Isles yes they were one of the most powerful express locomotives

[@rogerwatt3154]

@@jasperbarnes4544 Duchess of Abercorn recorded the highest ever power output for a British Steam locomotive on test in 1939.

[@rogerwatt3154]

@@lolroflpmsl The speed attained was 114 mph and it could have been higher if the LMS had possessed a stretch of track comparable to that on which the LNER's Mallard achieved her record 126 mph.

[@Fridge56Vet]

If MTH ever decides to do a last hurrah with their Euro stuff I may have to bite.

[@PereMarquette1223]

MTH isn’t going anywhere now.

[@Ericstrains]

Apparently they sold all their European tooling’s to some company in Germany or somewhere

[@PereMarquette1223]

@@Ericstrains I can believe that.

[@PereMarquette1223]

@@flyboyu777 I can’t see Marklin doing O.

[@Oorail]

I wouldn't worry too much about the smoke deflectors. The non-streamlined Coronation Class had locos with and without smoke deflectors.

[@stevebarnes2]

By the time they wore that livery, they were all fitted with them.

[@Oorail]

@@stevebarnes2 Yes that is technically correct. However the smoke deflectors have been removed from a few of the locos after that livery was applied for short periods of time. So I think he can probably get away with running it without the smoke deflectors if he wants to. :)

[@MrBnsftrain]

10:40 a lot of British O gauge trains use the hook and chain couplers as the actual couplers instead of an unrealistic coupler seen on European HO and OO scale trains. Keep that in mind in case you ever buy Dapol's British O gauge rolling stock. It's a real shame that MTH didn't make the streamlined version of this engine, as one went to the United States for the 1939 World's Fair, 6220 "Coronation" (which was actually Duchess of Hamilton, which survives today)

[@lukecarruthers]

They do but you may find some others are fitted with "buckeye" type couplers which might (must admit I haven't tried it!) but they might be compatable with US style ones. Darstaed British outline coaches, BR Mk1s for example, can be specced with those couplers.

[@8213_productions]

these 4 cylinder pacific were designed by Sir William A Stanier and were built between 1937-1948 at the London Midland and Scottish railways crewe works.

[@timspiers6225]

Duchess of Abercorn has the highest officially recorded power output for any British steam locomotive. This was recorded on a test run coupled to a dynamometer between the loco and the train in February 1939. Duchess of Buccleuch received smoke deflectors in April 1946 and was not painted into BR green until May 1952. The locomotives (4)6230 - (4)6234 were the first batch of Coronations to built without streamlined casings. The number 4 at the start if the running number being added after nationalisation in 1948.

[@mattgrant2646]

The MTH engines and coaches here in the video are pictured in post 1948 livery. The coaches I believe are non-scale to length representations of BR MK1 stock. The engine without smoke deflectors is in the earlier circa 1950 passenger livery, so I believe its accurate as modelled.

[@Zman_fnaf]

I love the concept of the European locomotive series in some form of way that people don’t even understand in this stage.

[@Tsurnari]

As quite a few others have said, don't worry about the smoke deflectors as not all GB steam locos had them. One thing I would try to change is the whistle SFX, it needs to be of a higher pitch. It sounds like MTH used a generic US whistle sound.

[@Ericstrains]

Thanks for the info!

[@wetcardie66]

i would have said the Stanier hooter IMHO has a sad mournful note

[@legopattonfilms]

I like to see Lionel try out British Steam Locos. I wrote them a letter on that idea a couple months ago and haven't got a response yet. Cool Locos by the way!

[@worthingtonmodelrailway8628]

Lionel did make a Castle Class - I saw one recently at a show and now wish I’d bought it!

[@TheCobraCommander]

Two of these creatures survive today. Duchess of Hamilton is at the National Railway Museum in her streamlined guise, and Duchess of Sutherland is, as far as I know, out on the mainline pulling excursions.

[@Evaunit98]

One coronation made its way to the US, class pioneer Coronation was modified to US regulations and came to the US, at the time it was streamlined and ran in LMS Crimson Lake (instead of the BR Brunswick green here), three examples remain of the class, City of Salford, City of Birmingham and the only streamlined example left Duchess of Hamilton

[@ralphmiller2265]

Lisa is precious!! She bought that loco and kept it secret from you till Christmas, you are very lucky to have her in your life. BTW, what did you get her for Christmas!?!?!?🙂🤔

[@finlayfraser9952]

Eric, Duchess of Buck-clee-oow ! Not all British locos had smoke deflectors, even in the same class, and they were generally a post war fit.

[@lordsnivyofnottingham2948]

My live steam O-scale engines are ALL British, with one of my LMS Moguls and my LMS Jinty directly imported from the UK. British steam, in my opinion, has its own charm.

[@Jimboliah3985]

Seeing how you have 2 Duchesses in British Railways green, think you'll dare to repaint one in LMS red or black?

[@kenhoganson9481]

Eric, you could have mentioned the lovely lighting and interiors on the cars. And the outstanding smoke!

[@TheRealEasyA]

It's so strange to hear Eric talking about British steam locomotives like the Coronation which are pretty famous locomotives there. I follow another British model railroading KZbinr that specializes in 00 gauge.

[@therealskull4786]

Is his name Sam by any chance?

[@TheRealEasyA]

@@therealskull4786 Correct.

[@jasonhowe1697]

problem with the car stock they are all 3rd class rail stock, if i remember correctly 2 1st class, 2 2nd class and 2 3rd class the deflectors on the front were earliest version of aerodynamics

[@henryszubielski8601]

Beautiful additions to your collection Eric! I bet that was a real surprise to get the second one from your girlfriend. Enjoy! 😃

[@Ericstrains]

Yes it was!

[@jeffsymons4535]

The commentary voices sound more like Australians than UK

[@NovaCoronaSolarisBlast]

Fun Fact about this class, in the 1930s they were atreamlined and they represent the big rival to the famous Gresley A4s like Mallard, with the class leader "Coronation" reaching a speed of 114mph prior to Mallard setting the ultimate official speed record, and they also hold the record for the most powerful steam locomotive ever used in the UK, at 2,511 dbhp with a tractive effort of 40,000 lbf. The later unstreamlined Coronations would earned the nickname of "Duchesses" due to so many, like yours, being named after official Duchess titles On a more personal level as a British enthusiast, even as someone with a stronger loyalty to the LNER on the east coast with their A4s, there is something that makes me admire the duchesses as a design. Where as the A4 is sleek and fast like a blade, the Duchess uses its brute strength even today to absolutely demolish the steepest grades in the country. I would recommend searching for "The Duchess Deliverance" here on youtube, it's a perfect introduction to the class.

[@zacharyspinks6207]

These British Steam Trains are Amazing!😁

[@asteamsavant9994]

Not all of the Duchess class locomotives had smoke deflectors. When they were initially built for the LMS they had a standard single stack exhaust and no smoke deflectors. After the companies were consolidated and nationalized into British Rail more efficient Kylchap double chimney exhaust systems were fitted, which caused soft smoke to obscure the crew's view. Smoke deflectors then had to be fitted.

[@randyjacobs9489]

Wow! How lucky are you that she was the one! They look great!

[@deweyhall712]

One you might try to find, if it's available, the soviet AA - 20.

[@scrubbbsyboy844]

The minimum curve would have to be something like O-270 💀

[@Ericstrains]

Lionel is coming out with O-1000 track haha

[@deweyhall712]

@ScrubbsyBoy844 actually, on O scale, it would be 072.

[@charlesmcclure5994]

That is a classy locomotive good luck finding the other three👍👍

[@bobbymcloughlin3452]

For The First Time Ever, Eric Siegel Reviews Steam Locomotives Of The English & Celtic Railways (ECR) / Britannia & Ireland Railroad (B. &. I. R. R.) Locomotive, Fuel Tender, Water Tender (Like That Of A Doncaster Gresley Pacific) Gas Turbine, Kerosine Tender (GTMK, Classed As: “GT3”) Driving Trailer, Brake Carriage, Passenger Carriage, Catering Carriage, Restaurant Carriage, Sleeper Carriage, Post Carriage, Luggage Van, Generator Van, Power Carriage

[@zachwheeler9846]

Beautiful engines, love the PFA sequence on the Duchess of Abercorn.

[@sandiegodreamhome]

Gorgeous engines, Eric. That was a neat surprise to learn Lisa had bought the one off ebay for you!

[@simonchurch.]

Gawd blimey guvna that’s proper English crew talking :)

[@miguelangelgarrido7233]

Hola buenas noche excelente video te mando un abrazo grande😃👍👍👍

[@andyross4868]

Hi Eric , I'm British and its pronounced " Buk Lew " , just found your channel and love it , thanks

[@evileyeball]

I love how different countries call different types of locomotives different things. Its kind of like how you Americans want to call 2-10-4's a Texas where as we here in canada call those a Selkirk, If I was going to get a layout together, I would have to have a Selkirk on it, I Need a Selkirk, CPR Empress (2816) (The only surviving Non Royal Hudson), 2860 (The royal Hudson that did Excursion service in BC, 2850 (The Royal Hudson that is the nameskae of the class and actually carried the King and Queen), and maybe just maybe CN 6060 (Bullet Nosed Betty) who worked in relief for 2860 whenever she needed service. But part of me says it wouldn't be so great to have all CPR and one CNR in my fleet.

[@JohnHuntt]

It was great to see this European engine. I missed getting one. So nice you have this to share with the rest of us. JH

[@wjstix]

British Railways paint schemes. LMS, LNER, Southern, and GWR - the four railways of the 1923 "grouping" - were folded into BR at its creation in 1948. When new, the engines were red.

[@wetcardie66]

at least four of the streamliners were turned out in Caledonian blue to work the "coronation scot" with a set (rake) of matching coaches .something to see (understatement)

[@TomedysTrains]

Awesome Eric! You got not only one but TWO MTH Stanier Princess Coronation Class Pacifics! That was so nice that your girlfriend got you one of them as a Christmas gift! It's a shame that this turned out to be the only British locomotive MTH made and that they didn't make an HO/OO version of it, but they did an incredible job on it and its carriages. It looks and sounds like the real thing! MTH did announce they were going to make the Flying Scotsman and other Gresley A1/A3 Pacifics in Premier Line in 2008, but they cancelled them, very bad move, because that would've been a fantastic locomotive that would've sold well. Heck, I would've bought one because I was looking forward to it. Not to mention that they could've made an LNER apple green A3 Flying Scotsman with attachable/detachable American pieces to give you the option to "Americanize" it, but this turned out to be a missed opportunity on their part.

[@amadigidigaula771]

As another guy who is passionate about more than one country’s trains - it’s been great and weird to see two Duchesses on your 3 rail layout. I’d love one too. You will also be wanting some all Maroon British Rail ex-LMS MTH coaches (I presume they also did that livery) to mix in with your Crimson and Cream ones. So cool that you have one each with the early and late BR crests. I wonder if MTH did a red version - a Duchess with late BR crest in the red livery is the tops. You can run them all together timeline wise but Double-heading was not a routine thing in England and especially not with Princess Coronations.

[@broncos4life182]

Double Heading would only happen really somewhere where there is a steep climb

[@wetcardie66]

sad to see 46257 "city of salford" folorn in Preston shed shortly before she was taken to ,presumably Cashmores to be cut up .somebody correct me on this.... late October 1964

[@yeoldeseawitch]

America always had amazing steam locomotives but I think the UK trumps all other countries when it comes to beautiful engines

[@automan224]

The last time I cared about what the UK had was 1776

[@DENVERRIOGRANDEMAN21]

@@automan224 usa baby 1776

[@yeoldeseawitch]

@@automan224 the UK INVENTED the steam locomotive we know today, show them a little respect please?

[@automan224]

@@yeoldeseawitch nah fam There’s 2 kinds of county’s, ones that use the metric system and ones that land on the moon

[@yeoldeseawitch]

@@automan224 I believe the word you're searching for is "Countries." A county is an administrative or political subdivision of a state with certain boundaries that give it some level of authority. A "country" is a much more distinct part of the world that is usually an independent sovereign state Also 's is used when showing possession not plurality

[@Shipwright1918]

Honestly wish there were more British steamers available over here in 3 rail AC power. Mostly made do by adapting some of Lionel's Thomas line by replacing the faces with smokebox doors, adding some detail parts, and repainting to make semi-scale British steamers. Also have some of the old Hornby clockwork O gauge engines (really come in handy when the power goes out) and rolling stock. If Lionel made a Flying Scotsman and/or Mallard in semi-scale, I think they'd sell like hotcakes.

[@WilliamCreator57]

Jolly good!

[@Loweko1170]

Those cheeky-chappie Mary Poppins crew accents are a horrible cringe moment, but the locomotive is lovely.

[@tancoplays3502]

Really wish they could do a flying Scotsman but hornby has the exclusive right to make models of those

[@christopherpeter978]

Not all the Coronations had smoke deflectors

[@StuartT1981]

Eric you need to get an A4 locomotive like Mallard.

[@NatePetrill-w5t]

Holy macro! Duchess of Abercorn sounds like the N&W 1218 Class A!

[@worthingtonmodelrailway8628]

Those coaches look to be BR MK1 stock not LMS. But would be correct (time wise) for the BR green livery on the Locomotives.

[@gabestrains3465]

Such a beautiful engine. I have this exact one. Wish I cad the cars!

[@Garlic227]

Nice Steam Engine, Eric very good detail too

[@Datboi169]

Beautiful!! Never seen this one before, love it!

[@MikesModelTrains]

I was just thinking about three rail British locos yesterday and wondering where to pick one up because i do enjoy LNER locos. Good video

[@ronaldjoyce7374]

Happy Holidays to you, Lisa and yours, Eric. Those look and sound amazing and your as luck as I am to have found a Lisa that enjoys your hobby. Best of everything to you, Ron

[@Ericstrains]

Same to you!

[@MachRacer4]

For the smoke deflector issue, you might be able to cast some out of resin.

[@arranshea9421]

You know Eric you my want to investigate if you can 3D print the Smoke deflectors for the one that doesn’t have the smoke deflectors. Just a thought.

[@Ericstrains]

That’s what I was thinking

[@arranshea9421]

@@Ericstrains if you do I hope you make a video about it. Till then Eric and have good New Year. Won’t be able to watch live. Have to work. But have fun and I appreciate the videos.

[@brianlohr3412]

love the engines

[@muricatrains]

Beautiful model!

[@Chessie1985]

Excellent british steam engines Eric!!!

[@ColtonRMagby]

Now, you need to find a K-2. Those are 4-4-0, and incredible. When I think of one, I picture Edward from Thomas & Friends.

[@ColtonRMagby]

@Tony’s Trains I never said it had to BE Edward. That's just what pops in my head as an image for those locomotives.

[@BLDR_2023.]

@Tony’s Trains he's talking about the basis of edward from thomas & friends.

[@ColtonRMagby]

@Tony’s Trains Fair enough.

[@rachelwhysall9169]

Before you glue the smoke deflectors on the duchess some didn't have smoke deflectors and I think it's meant to be like that , but both are beautiful models , great video though

[@V-max97]

I got my first British steam train. It might be the Harry Potter set but still British

[@JOEMAMA_534]

The redcoats are coming, the redcoats are coming!

[@Railmaster-dp5ft]

Hey Eric do you want to know the greatest steam engine you can get hopefully is the flying Scotsman

[@Licci.PrProj]

!!! I’ve been waiting for this review for a while

[@blakemcnamara9105]

You should check out some videos from Britain or these amazing outdoor O Gauge live steam layouts. Really beautiful models.

[@Ericstrains]

I'll check it out!

[@ianbrown5928]

Im ian ray and I haven't gotten to subscribe to everyone of your train videos of o scale because I love o scale just like you eric

[@NW-gi1cp]

BRIISH TRANE 🧐

[@TallboyDave]

I find the crew commentary at the start about having a heavy train comical, to be honest; for a "Duchess" (as the Coronation-class were commonly called by fans), having six 'on' like this is almost insultingly light; they were made to haul 10, 12, or more coaches from London to Glasgow, including the assault on Shap, one of the most grueling stretches of mainline in the UK.

[@wetcardie66]

Grayrigg/Shap and then Beattock

[@LIMPGUITAR]

Great video dude! Hope you find all those MTH euro locomotives

[@ThunderboltSirenStudios]

The whistle sounds like an N&W hooter

[@abk2k3aaronkauflin83]

Ngl we need more British o scale stuff

[@ussjohnston1]

You were colonized 😂 In keeping with the highest traditions of meme culture

[@Dan-jf3pc]

Amazing to see how an American manufacturer would approach the one of these, obviously the market it quite niche and considering there many variations of the Coronation class, It is truly a shame there was no streamline variant, though I find the amazing amount of features on these engines, Have you ever thought of getting the Lionel GWR Hall?

[@privatejoker5403]

Some Dutches didn’t have smoke deflectors so it’s not wrong of they don’t have them

[@christsogaugetrains]

They have there place in history. But I prefer the USA engines myself

[@flynnlizzy5469]

Just SPECTACULER !!

[@Trainboy11]

Congratulations

[@stephanschauer8266]

Sounds like Lisa is a keeper

[@greyfoxtrains3244]

While I love American steam, they are often, even passenger locomotives, very industrial and utilitarian. With British steam, there always seems to be a higher level of refinement. American streamlined locomotives tried to achieve this, but it seems (and I am not an expert by any means) that the English were just better and more consistent.

[@mr.shadestrains6033]

They are so nice Absolutely amazing Great video. Looking forward to seeing your next Video. 🚂🚋🚃🚋🚃🚋😎👍

[@kevinsweeney2810]

Eric can you review mth duchess of atholl the mth premier duchess of Sutherland and the mth premier LMS passenger cars next?

[@Ericstrains]

That's a lot of stuff to buy lol

[@Northerner_Transport_Hub]

So beautiful! Will you get some more British steam engines at some point?

[@Ericstrains]

Probably

[@DaveP1991]

Given these are one of the physically largest classes ever built in the UK it'd be funny to see one posed next to the US steam locos.

[@DCSk8er529]

Wish MTH made a Flying Scotsman.

[@marvman2887]

Pls present a german engine. React to one. They‘re such beautiful engines

[@Ericstrains]

Already did. Bavarian 3/6

[@RonnyTheEngineer]

Hi, Eric this is RonnyTheEngineer, I was wondering, do you still have this British steam engine? Including the the German steam engine you featured on your channel? Do you still have them?

[@wrangler70jkujeep74]

I was offered entire set of mth guy had these and rest of Europe cars and locomotives now I hate not getting everything

[@thetrainboard2772]

Please help us find contacts to purchase the mth European stuff..majestic

[@Tauraco00]

Hi there, great stuff🎉

[@lifewithroscoe6513]

Awesome video! And even a more awesome GF!!! have her do some of your videos sometime!

[@only-uz8qf]

They are plastic or metal body?

[@SuperVoxman]

THE BRITISH RAILWAY MEN , USED TO CALL THE LMS THE COACH COLOURS ' BLOOD & CUSTARD ' A LOT OF THESES LOCOS , WERE PAINTED IN LMS DARK MAROON . THE SECOND ONES NAME , IS PRONOUNCDED ' BUCKLOO '

[@Ericstrains]

Thanks for the info!

[@emlynjessen2957]

Magnificent!

[@doubleutubefan5]

This reminds me of the time the flying Scotsman toured America In the 1970s apparently

[@jeffsymons4535]

One of these in its earlier streamlined condition also visited the USA. Duchess of Hamilton

[@doubleutubefan5]

@@jeffsymons4535 interesting. Its almost lost to history. Like most of my railroader co workers haven't heard of it

[@davidstrainsandlego]

I love to see the European stuff

[@bigmanted9864]

THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK LADS

[@Ericstrains]

Ha

[@northpennvalleysteamrailroad]

Cool

[@csxnspittsburghdivision8580]

The only trains Like is the flying Scottmen and Japanese bullet train because they been in America

[@railfan1762]

Look on hattons rn there's another European train