Linux Users Can Never Stop Winning

[@mjhika]

Imagine paying for an operating system and still getting ads.

[@jackkraken3888]

That's the thing though most don't pay directly. It comes with their PC or it upgraded to Windows 10 or 11

[@Man-xk9rz]

Why is Microsoft like this? lol.

[@foji-video]

@@jackkraken3888 you pay it to the PC manufacturer which pays microsoft. It's not free just because it's pre-installed

[@UnderEu]

Imagine paying for cable TV + all channels + all exclusives + all **** available and still getting ads

[@TheSolidSnakeOil]

Kinda like cable and streaming, yet people still pay for it.

[@CEOofGameDev]

Linux: this new release adds new features. Windows: this new release features new ads.

[@daniesmar]

amazing sentence twisting

[@Yunix]

Underrated comment

[@IntangirVoluntaryist]

Lol clever

[@toara]

Why don't this have more likes 😂

[@thenayancat8802]

Great wordplay

[@abdul4515]

Remember when having ads on your desktop was considered to be a virus?

[@jer1776]

..and when collecting your data was considered spyware.

[@anonwilczek6044]

Now i feel old ;(

[@trekkie1701c]

The Free OS has no ads. The paid one has ads. I'm so glad my workflow doesn't really need Windows. Haven't done it on bare metal in years and I'm not only not missing it, I'm constantly seeing stuff that makes me glad I switched.

[@monisrajput8056]

Lol exactly. Since mac is costly and windows is shit Then linux is the only option

[@Aechelian]

I'm primarily on Linux now, but I can't find a good image editor for love nor money. Gimp just isn't advanced enough.

[@IdAefixBE]

@@Aechelian Too bad because GIMP is the most advanced thing there ever will be right after the 380€ per year scam from Adobe... I'm not into image editing, but I've worked with people that successfully switched to GIMP + Krita and never looked back : they had a really bad time transitioning (thanks schools for pushing all sorts of proprietary software down students' throats) but they eventually came up to say it was mostly a skill/habit/workflow issue more than the software being too weak. And we donate to GIMP yearly to back its development. And even if it came with drawbacks, we're better off without any Adobe products and wish nothing but the end of these monopolistic bloodsuckers. Worst thing is that GIMP could very obviously put Photoshop to shame within a very few years if given even a fraction of what people pay Adobe. Much like Blender killed every commercial competitor when it hit industrial use.

[@perplexedon9834]

​@@Aechelianhave you tried Krita?

[@EnderPlayerTV]

Just a heads up, windows is in fact free, you just have a watermark that you can remove easily

[@theairblow]

Your RAID configuration is sponsored by RAID shadow legends

[@ownedmaxer607]

Tbf, if you are running a RAID storage setup on windows 11, you might as well enjoy an ironically funny ad before realising the new update for this experimental OS fucked your controller and, by extension, your data on those drives.

[@ultimatetechcoding]

im dead 😂

[@lucaspagote3042]

Broooo this comment is too underrated

[@mjdxp5688]

You know it's bad when Microsoft's only releasing something for the US...

[@gwgux]

Yeah, the EU and other regulatory authorities around the world won't stand for it. They've been hammering all of big tech in general lately, not just Microsoft. In the US, Microsoft can pretty much do what ever they want to do.

[@KuleGuy27]

Yeah, and they can get away with it because people aren't tech savvy enough to switch to Linux or have no interest in switching. I can't believe the bad guys won...

[@Man-xk9rz]

Literally, the United States is patient zero for Microsoft. I am so glad that I have switched to Linux more than 2 years ago.

[@blarghblargh]

​​@@KuleGuy27 GPU manufacturers don't have as good support for other operating systems, dev tool wise. Some of us (game devs) are savvy enough, but still stuck in entrenchment land. Proprietary software sucks

[@littlek3000]

Bc they'd get sued into oblivion in the EU

[@MoolsDogTwoOfficial]

Imagine every time you start up you see this [AD] This kernel boot is sponsored by NordVPN

[@musicalneptunian]

[AD] Your typing has been 56% less accurate today. You need: - Correction lenses from Dr Spec. SPECIAL ON NOW! HURRY! - Experimental anti-Parkinsons medication. Our online super clinic has a MEGA SALE! - Or could it be a downstairs issue? We won't tell anyone. 20 BLUE PILLS FOR THE PRICE OF ONE! WHAT AN OFFER!

[@keit99]

or when you start an application. This instance of application is sponsored by RAID shadow legends 🤣

[@cameronbosch1213]

​@@keit99 Or one of those other scummy ads...

[@merthyr1831]

this kernel is sponsored by RAID shadow legends

[@catto-from-heaven]

Given how slow windows installs updates, they could show ads while they're "doing their magic"

[@afroceltduck]

I'd like to thank Microsoft for determining that my, at that point, 5-year-old PC was "too old" for Windows 11. That caused me to jump ship to Linux, and I'm so glad I did.

[@bertnijhof5413]

It happened to me with a Ryzen 3 2200G bought new April 2019; 2.5 years old at the release date of Windows 11. That Ryzen officially released 3.5 years earlier than Windows 11. Fortunately I switched to Ubuntu in 2008 after I bought a new laptop with Windows Vista. I installed Win 11 Pro in a Virtual Machine using some registry tricks and it runs fine on my Ryzen 3 2200G and that VM now also runs on my laptop from Dec 2011 with a i5-2520M. After installation I even reduced memory to 3 GB instead of the minimal 4 GB from the installation.

[@gorak9000]

I'd like to thank Microsoft for making one of the best Windows ever, Win2K, such crap that you had to re-install it twice a year to keep your system fast for convincing me to switch to Linux more than 20 years ago.

[@Roxor128]

I jumped ship on new hardware. Had a motherboard failure, so bought a new one that'd be Linux-compatible and installed Linux Mint instead of reinstalling Windows 7 for only a year of support.

[@SaHaRaSquad]

I'd like to thank MS for repeatedly making my PC auto-update at 3AM to wake me up and then make Windows 10 incompatible with my computer so it couldn't boot without a bluescreen anymore. Was very motivating I gotta say. Windows is the best Linux ad.

[@VADemon]

I thought MS all cared about the environment?

[@Laszlo34]

5:20 "Back up your files" = "Agree to send your private data to _OUR COMPUTER_ "

[@qwesx]

You know what comes next: Microtransactions to disable ads!

[@musicalneptunian]

LOOT BOXES! IF YOU BUY THIS LOOTBOX FOR 4 BUCKS 99 YOU HAVE A 34 PERCENT CHANCE OF NOT SEEING ONE AD FOR THE NEXT 78 MINUTES.

[@LegendOfNym]

Nah, subscription model 100%

[@MarcSola7]

Sssssshhhhh, don't give them ideas.

[@Roxor128]

And even then, it'll be in multiple tiers. $50 for the first 10%, and going up from there, so you end up paying more to disable ads than you ever would have buying Windows outright.

[@ThatguycalledJoe]

@@LegendOfNym They're never gonna sell Xbox Live Gold to the PC crowd, so that's probably their best shot.

[@azenyr]

95% or more of windows users just buy a computer and use it. All default settings. Most dont even change the wallpaper. And microsoft loves this. So the "you can turn it off" is a stupid excuse that microsoft knows that most won't do

[@GSBarlev]

Yep. And the people who know enough to disable the ads are the exact same people who would never click an ad for whatever sketchy product is paying for that placement in the first place, so from Microsol's POV, it's literally nothing lost.

[@lbgstzockt8493]

Okay, but are those people impacted? If someone genuinely just uses their computer for browsing the web and typing in Word they probably don’t even notice this.

[@MarcyMoonscar]

I also want to add that we all know that the ads will mysteriously be enabled again after an update, even if you previously disabled them. Windows rarely respects user settings. And it's also possible the option will be hidden somewhere else or eventually disabled altogether. Either way, even people that might not want ads could give up out of frustration.

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

wasnt true in win 7 age i think.

[@KanokYT]

@@lbgstzockt8493 They are. Think about it. Ads can have malicious software attached to them. Imagine an everyday user who clicks on said ad and unknowingly downloads and installs software that is malware and gets all their data and personal information stolen. And the Microsoft Store is like any other where malicious apps can be submitted and people will download them without a second thought if they think they need it. In this case, the store would recommend it and there you go. Millions of people are affected by this. So yes. They can be affected by ads in the OS.

[@walter_lesaulnier]

Enshitification is my new FAVORITE word.

[@musicalneptunian]

Yeah. It's even surpassed Californication.

[@electric26]

​@@musicalneptunianeh, they're pretty much synonyms

[@IsmailofeRegime]

@@electric26 While California has lots of tech companies, there's still plenty in other states like Washington (including Microsoft), Texas, etc.

[@kiwikemist]

Eh this kind of thing, it's inevitable part of doing business. If you disagree you're a commie

[@Milosz_Ostrow]

... thanks to Cory Doctorow for that addition to the dictionary.

[@Beryesa.]

Wait until windows 12: ads on boot (cloud connection)

[@qlx-i]

Oh yes, an unskippable 30-second on-boot ad! Give me three!

[@alexanderstreng4265]

The day that bios’ will include ads is the day when we are roally fucked: ”Hmm, I see you are using Linux on your computer would you like to try Windows instead?”

[@greatestcait]

Please don't give them any ideas

[@knotrocket4825]

@@alexanderstreng4265 It might be sooner than you think. Try searching "Roku HDMI ad patent".

[@MrAlanCristhian]

I have a better idea, ads on updates (⌐■_■) 📈

[@raviolimavioli]

That Microsoft Solitaire Premium Subscription is an absolute garbage

[@phrtao]

No! Advertising works! I want it !

[@syscruncher]

At what point do we give Microsoft the moniker of “Linux salesperson of the year”?

[@akeem2983]

The TPM 2.0 requirement is a great candidate for this moment

[@ArtificialDjDAGX]

For me, it was once they announced Windows 11.

[@guiorgy]

13:06 I literally had a case where I was trying to remotely help somebody plug the Ethernet cable into the back of a computer. After trying to get them to find the square looking port for like 20 minutes, they kept arguing that there was none, and finally sent me a picture of the "computer" as proof, which was the back of the monitor. After explaining to them that the box below is the computer, they asked me "isn't that box thing the proccessor?". I'm so glad that I don't work as customer support 😂

[@ACESContent]

jesus christ i'd have an aneurysm if I had to deal with people like this, my family is bad enough when it comes to tech support.

[@LRM12o8]

Was this in the eighties or were they high as a kyte? 🤣

[@guiorgy]

@@LRM12o8 Eighties?! WTF?! It was like 2 months ago 😂

[@bitwize]

Someone I know from college works tech support at Verizon. She has oodles of stories like this.

[@Gatrehs]

You get used to it. A lot of it is asking more questions before trying to guide them so you know what they have already.

[@foji-video]

now my parents can never tell when "a virus" is doing stuff or it's the literal operating system..

[@Man-xk9rz]

Ah yes. Adware is now considered to be a part of the user experience.

[@triffid0hunter]

It's pretty clear to me, the literal operating system is now being preloaded with malware by the upstream maintainers, iow a supply chain attack

[@shallex5744]

@@triffid0hunter windows has been malware by definition for a long time

[@ffwast]

"It's because you're on them damn games!" 🙄

[@morpheon_xyz]

😂😂😂 Glad I switched over a year ago, and what's funny is that what you're saying is legit what windows looks like nowadays when I see it. Will never go back to MS BS OS lol

[@matan-h]

its not that Linux Users Never Stop Winning, its that Windows Users Can Never Stop Losing

[@Megalomaniakaal]

true enough.

[@prime1337_]

NVIDIA proprietary drivers, lack of professional software, fragmentation.. Do you really still think Linux is winning?

[@matan-h]

@@prime1337_ nope. I also don't consider the split of our graphics engine from a "battery included" one to "do it your self" one a win.But we are only moving forward (e.g.kde6) and they are only going backwards (e.g.this.video)

[@callyral]

​@@prime1337_ what you call fragmentation is what i call having different things for different purposes

[@softwarelivre2389]

​@@prime1337_what you call fragmentation, I call having options

[@rafadardzinski7461]

For me, the "I've got enough of this shit" moment for Windows was when OneDrive automatically turned on documents backup after OS update. It just sent all my private files to the cloud, just like that, without even asking. How's that different from a malware?

[@soy_boy69]

And worst for me I couldn't stop it !!!! Only unlinking my account .... and then I read the terms and conditions and it say that when I am graduating from university . My data would be deleted WTF. What is that level of irresponsiblity

[@Dummigame]

it isn't, not at all

[@109Rage]

I suspect the reason for all the ads is to pay for the A.I. that Microsoft wants to Windows 11 to feature prominently, which would be uneconomical without the extra ad revenue.

[@mewhenthemewhenstheme]

If the year of the Linux desktop (tm) ever happens it won’t be because Linux got better, it’ll be because Windows got so shit it actually became unusable.

[@Eduar6996]

Yeah. The way I’m looking at it is that microsoft is doing the heavy lifting to make the year of Linux a reality.

[@ForeverZer0]

There are numerous reasons "why" Windows is popular for desktops, but the most dominant reason is simple: new computers come with it. There is a few niche manufactures that offer Linux. and of course System76, but this is generally true, and will ensure that they always stay on top. Linux users simply expect to reinstall their OS when purchasing a new machine, and everyone else expects Windows and isn't using Linux anyways, regardless of how terrible it is.

[@Roxor128]

There is no THE year of the Linux desktop, only YOUR year of the Linux desktop.

[@JacobP81]

@@Eduar6996 It has been the year of the Linux for a LONG TIME. Linux is one of the most popular operating systems, it runs most servers and supercomputers. I think what you actually meant was "The year of the Linux desktop" which is entirely different because although Linux is extremely popular it is not currently very popular on personal computers.

[@rtlau-mk4di]

The problem with Linux desktop becoming more popular is that hackers would start writing more malware for Linux. Then we'd start needing antivirus software for Linux. For this reason I hope that people stay on Windows.

[@logicalfundy]

That's not even the worst of it, Windows 10 users are getting full screen ads for Windows 11.

[@Mallchad]

More like mandatory product training sessions

[@CEOofGameDev]

@@Mallchad YES! Fucking jesus christ you just gave me a vietnam flashback right now. Every time I would fucking turn on my pc I would get that shit. GOD, I don't miss my windows days!

[@Mallchad]

@@CEOofGameDev Yeah I get the same. I get PTSD like symptoms when I use windows because I spend so much time fighting it to do basic tasks like copy a file instead of it just being a configuration issue

[@justinbuddy56]

And it’s on boot too. You deliberately have to say “no I don’t want to ‘upgrade’” to even begin to use your computer in the first place. It’s so annoying.

[@Hardcore_Remixer]

As a Windows 10 user, this is news to me because I've never got such an ad.

[@VolkerHett]

This might collide with EU cybersecurity regulations. It most probably violates german regulations for critical infrastructure - and this includes the dentist with a single computer - too.

[@merthyr1831]

Microsoft didn't care, they'll just release a separate EU version just like they do for China. the US will get the worst of it

[@wChris_]

Then its a good thing they are trying Linux instead!

[@gunt-her]

That's actually based if such nonsense is simply illegal.

[@gunt-her]

Sadly Americans care too much about the rights of corporations to pipe corporate coom™ directly into the gullet.

[@kuhluhOG]

​@@wChris_ A lot of doctor's office are not state run, but owned by the doctors themselves. They are also entrepreneurs. Yes, I am talking about Germany. They normally don't even have people hired to manage their IT, they just do it "themselves" (aka, calling customer support from whereever they bought it from).

[@lorduggae]

I'm fully Linux and so is my Boomer mom......my sister still uses Windows, and I am the family IT guy. My sister is switching to Linux as her potato PC won't be able to upgrade and she can't get a new PC for financial reasons.

[@MyouKyuubi]

Huh, imagine that... The lack of money is turning your sister into a winner! :D

[@lorduggae]

@@MyouKyuubi lol good point

[@1pcfred]

There's no more budget PCs available really. I remember when you could build a new PC for just a few hundred dollars. Today that'll barely get you a budget graphics card. Although I suppose you could run integrated graphics.

[@lorduggae]

@@1pcfred I've been looking to buy her a pc, either a refurb office machine, or sometimes I find older pc's on the side of the road and sell them. Might find a decent one for her. But, you are right about no budget pc's.

[@1pcfred]

@@lorduggae the whole PC market has changed over the years. The casual users gave up on PCs for mobile devices. They were the ones that bought low and middle end machines in huge quantities. With them gone manufacturers have no reason to keep producing that kind of hardware. There's no one to buy it today. There's still corporate but that's a different world.

[@candyczar]

Enabled by default and likely re-enabled on a regular basis...

[@gksudolol]

Re-enabled after every update, like they keep re-installing removed apps

[@tristen_grant]

Its only enabled by default because if it wasn't, no one would have it enabled.

[@fnr1r]

Finally someone said it.

[@marcvalade94]

It will be re-enabled at every upgrades or reboot.

[@Mario583a]

Or the reason is that practically no body ventures into the settings or the website account management portion to look up if they need to renew their thingies or not.

[@stephenhosking7384]

@@marcvalade94 That's one reason I rarely (almost never) change a Windows default setting. Two others are that 1. I don't trust that disabling it may cause other problems, and 2. The next version of Windows will enable it, use a different path to the setting, and also harder to find. I am just keep moving functionality from my Windows workstation to a Linux alternative (networked), with the intention of replacing Windows with Linux soon.

[@shadowflame5151]

I'm so happy that I switched to linux months ago

[@RobertCunningham]

good for you. I made my switch about 25 years ago and am still happy

[@PolarCheese]

Switching 5 months ago was definitely a great idea. I did not except Linux to be this awesome.

[@Man-xk9rz]

Definitely a good move on your part. How's it holding up for you?

[@cameronbosch1213]

I partially switched just before LTT made that video series. Once Windows 11 released, I left Windows behind. And my Framework Laptop 16 ONLY runs Linux (Arch btw 😂); no dual-booting at all.

[@callyral]

Yeah, I switched from Windows 10, 3 years ago. Awesome choice on my part.

I thought the winning part was sarcastic and Canonical was putting ads into Ubuntu. Gotta love undisclosed advertising, though!

[@no_name4796]

Canonical isn't shoving ads through our mouths because they are already too bisy trying to shove snaps into our mouths

[@Stay_away_from_my_swamp_water]

Lately I tried to run sudo apt install on ubuntu wsl (not my main pc, it's complicated, don't worry it's linux now) and I got snap not found.

[@lua-nya]

Every time I log into an Ubuntu server, short text ad.

[@GSBarlev]

Haha yeah, Ubuntu literally did exactly this in 2012. Which makes a lot of sense, because Windows 11 has always felt like the Unity DE to me.

[@fantasypvp]

​dreaper5813 arch works amazingly with KDE

[@breadmoth6443]

this reminds me of the video Louis Rossmann just made recently about roku filing a patent to display ads over your hdmi , so if you have a game paused, or paused a movie - an ad will show up......i hate the future.

[@ffwast]

The future sucks, I'm buying a CRT TV.

[@JacobP81]

@@ffwast LOL

[@ffwast]

@@JacobP81 One of the fancy 1080 ones with HDMI from 2005 that doesn't sound like tinnitus. I'll have to borrow the work truck with the lift but I'll do it!

[@3am246]

As long as someone’s patented it, other companies won’t be able to use it, so I guess this kind of works out for us?

[@breadmoth6443]

@@3am246 i guess... may as well avoid anything roku , but then again thats not difficult for me so, yea i guess im good.

[@pvc988]

Now I understand why MS is blocking mods that change Start menu completely. If their default Start menu is replaced, ads won't show and MS might get in troble for not displaying ads as many times as it is stated in the ad contract.

[@tobimai4843]

TBH I kinda doubt this will work in EU, having to disclose ads is pretty mandatory here.

[@no_name4796]

Meh. Apple got away with their monopoly on apps. I do still hope EU does more of this kinda stuff, but i am not too optimistic

[@abit_gray]

exactly the reason why they do it only in the US now :) too risky in other countries this early

[@thechroniclesofcriss942]

disclosing is not the same as banning.

[@dabrams84]

There's a reason Windows has an N edition of Windows when you make your installation media. The N edition is made so that it complies with European law. So, if ads do violate EU law then you are right, OP.

[@thingymcjig788]

All that "EU red tape" that the british politicians were complaining about was actually there to protect us? couldn't have guessed lol

[@LaughingOrange]

It's ironic how the OS you pay for has ads, and the one you can download for free doesn't have any.

[@GSBarlev]

The effect of *competition.* If your distro has ads, you're gonna hop to a different flavor.

[@The_Lawnmower_Man]

@@GSBarlev ...or, because it's FOSS, make a fork of the distro (or use one that someone else already made) in order to remove the ads.

[@mephitusincognito7918]

you don't pay for windows.. you pay for a license to use windows... just like all the other crappy closed source 'pay for me' crap out there..

[@LumemDH]

⁠@@mephitusincognito7918semantics. It doesn’t matter since it’s still ads in a paid OS.

[@mephitusincognito7918]

@@LumemDH granted, but when you click 'i agree' you get what you pay for... microsoft doesn't really make enough off of windows anymore for it to be profitable.. which is why so much commercial software is 'subscription based' .. ads in windows was a logical next step.. 'subscription windows' is the step after..

[@Dimkar3000]

windows been preinstalled is the real problem for linux adoption.

[@cameronbosch1213]

And the subpar hardware running Linux out of the box. Like, it's just System76 in the US, and only two of their laptops have 16 : 10 screens, where it's almost ubiquitous on Windows laptops.

[@steam-powereddolphin5449]

Is it possible to set up Windows/Linux dual-boot, set the main drive partition to give the most space possible to Linux and least possible to Windows, then just permanently boot in Linux and forget about Windows? Or, would it be reasonable to set Windows up as a backup, purely for the few(?) applications that seem to have no Linux support?

[@l4yon240]

@@steam-powereddolphin5449 for your 1st question: yes. 2nd question: have you try running that applications using wine ?

[@AnnoyingRains]

@@steam-powereddolphin5449yep

[@lbgstzockt8493]

@@steam-powereddolphin5449Few? Depending on your job none of the main tools are on Linux. Windows is still the only viable option for many people.

[@locatemarbles]

The ads and data collection are worrying. But personally what I would never ever accept is an online account to log into my computer.

[@masaufuku1735]

You can (non-trivially) still use a local account in Windows 10 and 11. I just did a Windows 10 install a few weeks ago because someone I know was selling a used computer and wanted help securely wiping the hard drive. The last time I did a Windows 10 install you could set up a local account during install with a few extra steps in the UI - now you've got to be disconnected from the internet. It looks like Windows 11 requires you to open a command prompt during install, run a command, and then disconnect from the internet. Even so, it's incredibly shitty that M$ tries to force you to use an online account rather than a local one.

[@slider799]

The way the world is going is if you see an advertisement for something its actually better to 100% avoid that product completely forever as it was unable to sell its own product to meet people requirements in an obvious and convent way. Only when adverts stop working will people stop shoving adverts down your throat in product. So turn them off, block them, avoid them and act against them in every way possible.

[@omerta3393]

It is not about opensource anymore, the damn thing is out of control now. I think everyone should consider switching...

[@1pcfred]

The software just isn't there for Linux. Commercialization can have beneficial effects on productivity. That's just reality. When companies charge money then they have financial resources and motivation that the open source community simply lacks.

[@rami-succar7356]

@@1pcfred 99.99999% of the software IS there. the problem with that is that it takes expertise to actually use all of it wine and proton are great, but you must understand them well enough to actually use them to their fullest. ofcourse there's the virtual machine argument too, which WILL solve your problems especially if you can give it a dedicated GPU, but i personally don't consider it a good enough solution. So far, linux has professional software for everything except high end professional music production and advanced Office suit alternatives, both of which can often be taken care of with Wine if you know what you are doing. I personally have managed to run pirated versions of microsoft office, adobe software and like 4 different DAWs (cubase, ableton, flstudio, logic pro) almost flawlessly. the only thing is that it has a lot of moving parts and takes a long time to actually set up. it IS there though

[@Dummigame]

@@1pcfred pff, your prime examples of this are Microsoft and Adobe. Not a good look...

[@1pcfred]

@@Dummigame talented people like to get paid for their hard work. Who knew?

[@Dummigame]

@@1pcfred As if the devs receive any of the profits

[@Holliswoud]

Very well said, and I agree with you in all points. I have often wondered, when using/seeing news about Windows, "why on Earth do people put up with this?". It's hard to remember that "most people" don't know or care how their computer works, only that it does. It helps a little to remember my attitude towards automobiles, which is pretty much the same as theirs towards PCs. Different strokes for different folks, sure, but that's no excuse for Microsoft blatantly taking advantage of their users' ignorance.

[@ForeverZer0]

As long as people continue to support it, even if only out of ignorance or lack of technical know-how to switch, there is little incentive for Microsoft to ever change their ways, if anything it only enforces these terrible practices. No one other than Microsoft have ever accused Microsoft of being an ethical company.

[@rizkyadiyanto7922]

no ads on car though.

[@masaufuku1735]

@@rizkyadiyanto7922 No ads on your car yet.

[@TheDeceptiveHero]

​@@rizkyadiyanto7922Enter BMW and their paywalled seat heaters.

[@michaelboyer82]

I use coreldraw and other programs on windows, I'm also a gamer and been using windows since 98se. It's not easy to switch to Linux when your so used to windows. Have to get to use a new OS is really hard and time consuming. That's why I am hoping a Linux build will be much easier for new beginners that use there pc for everything like me. Production, gaming etc.

[@pillmuncher67]

Monday last week (April 8th) I've been officially Windows-free for ten years. The day Windows XP Extended Support ended, I fully switched to Linux. I had been running Linux on some machines anyway since around 1996. Also, Windows XP had only been tolerable for so long due to Cygwin.

[@dingokidneys]

Yes! Cygwin, I used that for years at work on XP as I could get things done so much faster using things like Bash scripts, awk, Perl, curl, etc. Could even run an Xorg server and run graphical apps from my home machine over SSH. Almost made XP tolerable.

[@karmatraining]

Windows has become something I use "if I must", macOS is my daily driver now with some Linux mixed in for certain frameworks and tasks inside a VM.

[@anon_y_mousse]

I thought Windows was awful when I switched fulltime to Linux over 20 years ago. I can hardly believe how much worse it has gotten.

[@ohmygosh6176]

Absolutely no one in the world wants OS level ads.

[@isaacfooster]

wait until BIOS level ads make it

[@mk72v2oq]

I use Michaelsoft Binbows btw

[@cameronbosch1213]

I use Microshaft Winblows.

[@akeem2983]

With Macrohard Onfire 365 suit

[@quickgaming2466]

I run Mini-n-soft WierdOS, butt-cracked edition. Runs well, no ads, free of charge at Pi-rat-bayb web portal.

[@Psimbyosis02]

i use Dobien 12 wtf

[@knghtbrd]

Every single corporation is becoming like this now. Absolutely enshitified, even if it's NOT "free". There was a Canadian TV show called Continuum … "Future", "fiction".

[@basilcat3111]

Disney, Netflix, and others are now having the 'pay and still have ads' mentallity.

[@Dummigame]

The natural result of capitalism, this is not surprising at all

[@Ish216]

I actually think that Windows 10 dying will have a big effect on Linux market share, although in the big picture it will "only" be 1-2% maybe (still huge for linux)

[@1pcfred]

@@keithc2390 unfortunately the next PC I want will be Win 11 capable. Everything from 8th gen up is compatible.

[@Indrejue]

i moved my parents by force to linux. I only use windows at work now. as an accountant i don't have a choice because all the major vendors for work programs only work on windows. good thing they only work on windows 10 and not 11.

[@Visquint]

have you tried stuff like wine? they work very well for simple programs

[@kuhluhOG]

​@@Visquintaccounting software often isn't "simple" even today you can find accounting software which uses DCOM; something which was considered outdated 15 years ago, if not even earlier

[@philstephes]

Deceptive marketing is completely illegal, and that's exactly what this is.

[@Dummigame]

legal, illegal, big corporations are above the law, Boeing killing whistleblowers being a prime examples we need something else

[@carminator12]

That's looking hellish. I can't believe they accept that. I'm never going back to windows.

[@stingfiretube]

I quit Windows for Arch Linux about 9 months back. The best decision of my life.

[@stumminator]

Actually moved to Linux as my main driver about 1 month back after some fairly annoying OneDrive ads and me making the mistake of clicking on them once. Have been using Windows for many years before that with some occasional tinkering with some Linux operating systems until I finally landed on Mint. And while there where some growing pains, I was finally excited to actually use my computer again. Microsoft doesn't really care about OS market share anymore, at least it doesn't really have a huge growth potential for them (the numbers are pretty stagnant for their profit in that segment), and that is really obvious at that point.

[@ForeverZer0]

You will never regret your choice. I jumped to Linux during the Windows 7 era, and am affirmed in my decision with every new Windows "feature" that gets added. The initial growing pains and feeling foreign goes away, and eventually Windows will feel like the foreign system; you will wonder how you ever used something so clunky and unintuitive. Windows feels intuitive to Windows users only because it is the baseline that most first become familiar with, not because it actually is. I don't believe I have ever heard the story "long-term Linux user switching to Windows and loving it!"

[@morpheon_xyz]

One drive was why I jumped ship a year ago. Because I got 2 PCs, the one is my main huge machine, the other is a smaller limited one for small tasks I can work on when I'm out and about, so first I thought one drive was alright cuz if have some docs on both systems synced, until it bloated my small system with settings and apps from the main machine, so when I deleted it from the small system, it screwed up my installations on the main one, so it really messed things up for me, and I was pissed... So since I've tried Linux a few times before and kept messing around every so often, I decided to jump ship and install Linux Debian, refused to use the windows partition for a few months in case I wanted to get back to it and use it, but since Linux was such a massive upgrade, my work flow and everything improved tonnes, I had more fun with the OS etc, so I decided to do a fresh install, wiped my drive completely and officially killed windows off for good. Sure, not everything is perfect such as Nvidia drivers and compatibility, especially cuz if my 7 year old system, but at this point the sacrifice is thill worth it and I can still do everything else I want and need to. Best decision of my life, and I'm a full blown Linux advocate at this point, even got a colleague to switch after showing them how much faster my smaller system is running Linux compared to massive systems struggling to boot with 4x the power and speed of my small system. All the best with your journey, and may there be many more joyous moments using an OS that actually makes sense 😉✌️

[@Gatrehs]

Strong recommendation here, try to swap your desktop environment to KDE Plasma, you can give it a VERY windows feel which is nice, though you should definitely back up the computer before you do in case you bungle it.

[@marcvalade94]

Good. Like the joke Gates Junior was in the first place.

[@IIGrayfoxII]

Ads popping up be it either full screen popups or banner ads was common with adware and Adware is a type of MALWARE

[@musicalneptunian]

Bonzi Buddy was the past. Now Bonzi Buddy is the future on 🪟

[@paulwood2329]

Bill Gates doesn't pay for my bandwidth. I do. My internet is mine. If Bill Gates wants to put adverts on my PC he has to pay me for the use of my internet!

[@JeanRosa-qc3mb]

In the name of the linux community I would like to thank Microsoft for being the best Linux promoter out there. We simply could not do it without your continued efforts 🙋🏻‍♂️

[@MrSnivvel]

I found this video of Brodie from an ad in Windows 11 that was paid for by Big Wayland.

[@emanuellandeholm5657]

I found this video via a root kit service that was silently injected into my Arch Linux OS while my kernel was being decompressed. I love this timeline!

[@akeem2983]

I found this video through a secret user-tracking systemd service included in Fedora Workstation

[@JacobP81]

LMAO!

[@davidh.4944]

"...some users will see badging on their user profile..." Misspelled "badgering" there.

[@stephenreaves3205]

Windows keeps getting worse but my school still requires it for exams...

[@Skelterbane69]

Vm?

[@occultsupport]

dual boot

[@stephenreaves3205]

@@occultsupport nah, I've been burned too many times by windows update wiping grub

[@stephenreaves3205]

@@Skelterbane69 I might go this route, but I'd hate to fail an exam because of something like this

[@hypermiraclepositivegirl2415]

@@stephenreaves3205 Is it like some kiosk-like controlling application for a test? Unless it's like a standardized test, I didn't think exam softwares are getting invasive...

[@driftonAloft]

I've seriously have been tinkering with linux since 1998 and was in middle school, i finally switched over to linux about 8 years ago when an automatic update broke my networking stack and no matter what i did i couldn't keep the driver from being installing on my desktop, it was literally less painful for me to wire up an old imac as a wifi bridge and run linux as my primary os then deal with the window crashing and and tanking due to a networking driver

[@Saturate0806]

remember screen savers? I bet one day there will be screen saver ads in windows

[@BrodieRobertson]

Most people don't use them anymore so lock screen ads serve that purpose

[@VektrumSimulacrum]

My parents haven't used windows for years. They have lost the ability to use a regular PC since they are both on android and apple tablets 24/7. My sister is the only one in the house still using windows at home. At work she has to use MacOS.

[@m4rt_]

I miss Windows 7...

[@RubberGopher]

I miss Windows 2000 😶‍🌫️

[@MoolsDogTwoOfficial]

@@RubberGopherI miss XP.

[@Man-xk9rz]

I miss Windows XP and space cadet pinball.

[@mariolis]

Just fork it ! Oh wait...

[@catto-from-heaven]

@dreaper5813 It doesn't matter how customizable Plasma is, all of its themes look like sht

[@knotrocket4825]

I installed Windows 11 on an (unsupported) desktop without Bluetooth and got a desktop notification advertising their new Bluetooth XBox controllers.

[@knotrocket4825]

As for when I switched, it was 2 years ago ironically from the Windows 11 insider program to Ubuntu. Now I run Arch BTW.

[@appsaucetech]

Arch is amazing. I use hyprland on my dell chromebook 11 from 2013. It actually gets more battery life than the chromeos 96 install before they dropped support. Works like a charm and I don't need any other laptop.

[@JotaleaGG]

that means that they can't even put correct ads

[@ToumalRakesh]

I run a DCS server on a remote windows box. It's just insanity. Every other week the machine is down because it did an OS update (which you cannot decline) and is waiting on a fullscreen page to tell me all about whatever microsoft service they want me to use. An absolute joke.

[@skelebro9999]

MIUI (Xiaomi smartphone) users get a crap ton of ads. Its quite intrusive. Like you are browsing files through the official File Manager app and you see a banner ad. Which thankfully you can disable now.

[@dee23gaming]

You could always disable Xiaomi ads. I disabled mine on several different phones in the past. I only buy Xiaomi phones now, because it's much cheaper, but just as powerful, if not more powerful than the latest Samsung, and you still get a nice phone case, charging brick, cable and pre-installed screen protector. Something which Samsung and Apple lacks today.

[@Kalmaro4152]

Is the Xiaomi bootloader unlocked? You could probably install a different OS

[@merthyr1831]

Windows 11's minimum system changes made me move to Linux but because my system cannot handle it, but because I'm fed up of Microsoft creating piles of e-waste every time they needlessly push the system requirements arbitrarily

[@alexatkin]

It would actually make sense if Microsoft were making tangible performance optimisations that needed instructions on a newer CPU. I'm sure this will happen in the future, but why lock people out when they haven't even done it yet? Save that for Windows 12.

[@JacobP81]

EXACTLY! Yes so much e-wast!

[@glitchy_weasel]

Can't wait until a malicious ad gets psuhed to everyone's computer through the Start menu.

[@AkosiJeThro]

😂 The single Milfs in your area 😅

[@ZipplyZane]

Wait. Are they actually allowing ads running code? *That* would be new. The article suggested it was just the Windows 10 thing, where they show a "recommended app," (which you should always shut off). It's just a menu item, not an ad banner or widget.

[@chadmckean9026]

@@ZipplyZane you know the same attack vector that was used on Canonical's snap store, except it is a ad

[@teknixstuff]

@@ZipplyZane Yes, but clicking the ad will install and open a new app. Depending on the packaging format, there's all sorts of potential for malicious apps.

[@ZipplyZane]

@@teknixstuff Yeah, someone else said that (in a more roundabout way) and I agreed with them in a reply. I don't know what happened to our posts. Though I do believe these are all apps on the Microsoft Store. And they do a lot of checking there. Still, some malware has slipped into the Store before. Still better than trusting Ubuntu Snaps.

[@davidjeter5067]

So glad Microsoft helped me learn the Linux command line! Truly, thank you Microsoft. Before your BS that you have been pushing here lately, I wasn't motivated to switch to Linux let alone bother with the command line. Thank you Microsoft for motivating me to find out how amazingly useful scripting is, and thank you Lord GabeN for turning my gaming PC into a Linux gaming PC (in many cases the games are actually running better). Screw Microsoft!!! All hail the almighty penguin!

[@Amos_Huclkeberry]

Most people would rather watch ads than take a few minutes to research how to block them.

[@ffwast]

Whenever I do anything with someone's computer who isn't at all "tech savvy" I take maybe 30 seconds to install an ad blocker in their browser and they're always happy with it.

[@pvc988]

Well, you would be afraid to install obvious intake mod for your car if you had no idea which part of your car is the engine. It's the same with computers.

[@ffwast]

@@pvc988 If your car randomly stopped in the middle of the road for billboards all the time you'd at least ask a mechanic about it.

[@basilcat3111]

You underestimate mankind. People jhave lives and they will install adblockers if they loathe them.

[@stolenlaptop]

Linux user since 99.. you have no idea how much better it is now.

[@MyouKyuubi]

Oh i have some idea, heck even in the last year, linux has made HUGE strides in progress... It is ABSOLUTELY viable now, it's good to see! :) The only problem i have with Linux now, that's been an issue for linux for many years, is how it handles audio, and how it lacks the ability to set audio bit depth and sampling rate in a GUI. Currently, the only way to change those on Linux is to do a whole mess of investigative terminal commands, to find the location of files, and then open them to start editing them, etc... And you can't look up guides that are older than a year either, because apparently, terminal commands change, because audio drivers change, etc... So unless you're super tech savvy, you wont even know WHERE to look up a guide or even just the commands that works for your linux distro. xD I have googled myself in circles for weeks, trying to find how to change the bit depth and sampling rate on my little test-bench... ALL guides on this are over a decade old, and completely outdated and irrelevant now... Absolutely ZERO guides for 2024 versions of linux mint, lol!

[@phrtao]

I started using Linux servers for storage and networking about then. They were so much better than Windows 2000 server back then. The Windows server offering only got worse to the point where it was so ludicrous that it became effectively useless.

[@Vilvaran]

I remember playing around on a linux machine when I was a kid - I distinctly remember it being a KDE desktop as well... Grew up using windows, first 98 then spent most of my time on XP and 7. I tried Ubuntu in 2014, but it didn't work out as well as last year when I installed Manjaro; which brings me full circle as I'm on the Plasma desktop - which I can configure to behave almost exactly like windows and more, since I can add functionality that you could never get under windows. Two such features are being able to 'checkpoint' your computer by just building a live iso with all the packages and default settings you use, and the symbolic linking being so solid that even virtual machines follow it!

[@JEM_Tank]

I clicked so fast implicit sync would be too slow

[@Beryesa.]

Nice

[@hoardingapples7083]

So glad i left windows

[@thingsiplay]

Left4Win

[@gljames24]

I hate that my Samsung device started forcing adds from their store after the AI update. I can't disable the notifications.

[@18earendil]

And yet I will probably stay with Samsung for my next phone until Fairphones got better. (Or Linux Smartphones miraculously gain near purity and more importantly support for banking apps, banking 2FA included.) Because Android wise only Fairphone, Samsung and now Google promise 5 years or more of security update, Fairphone proved they were doing it, Samsung started promising it 4 years ago and so fair is keeping the promise while Google had still to prove they will follow through. And if I'm required to have my bank app with 2FA through it, I want it to be on a device which still receive security updates. (And I don't want to chance devices every two or three years.)

[@PolarCheese]

I switched from Windows to escape the OneDrive ads and then I began seeing OneDrive ads on my Samsung phone.

[@morpheon_xyz]

Android in general is becoming the same, cuz unfortunately a year or so ago they started adding ads into the base OS, although subtle there have been times when I got frustrated and annoyed because of it, so yes once I'm able to I'll be going back to old school feature phones, or phoneless, whichever option becomes available first

[@PolarCheese]

@@morpheon_xyz I see a OneDrive ad every time I go into the gallery app.

[@rollymaster16]

Try Nokia I have the 8.3 works great and its mostly a clean install of android. Very few bloatware apps and easy to root as well. The only change I would make is a better screen (needs oled)

[@timothyvandyke9511]

Copilot being announced for Win10 was the last straw for me and I switched to an Ubuntu based i3 distro and I’ve never been happier with my computer

[@ameunier41]

Windows is slowly pushing power users away. It's getting easier to game on Linux, and as more people makes the transition it makes it more interesting for game dev.

[@phrtao]

If it was not for some developers actively shutting out Linux the war over gaming users would just about be lost for Windows.

[@ameunier41]

@@phrtao most dev shut out Linux because the amount of work isn't rewarding. I read about a game dev who said they had the large majority of problems with Linux while it was only a small fraction of their users, so not worth it. There's 2 way of solving the problem: 1-linux gain popularity amongst gamers. 2- Linux backend is unified to makes it simpler to develop for.

[@elciervoparaguayo3756]

@@ameunier41 If I remember correctly the thing with the bug reports was that linux users are more likely to report any issue with their software, its part of the tech savvy culture to report and help curate software as much as possible

[@m4rt_]

I switched to Linux as my daily driver shortly after the Windows 11 leak. I had used Linux on and off before then, but I kept crawling back to Windows for various reasons, but I have now been using Linux every day for over 2 and a half years now, and I have no plans of going back. Though I am still forced to use Windows for work, and that just reminds me of all the awful stuff I am avoiding by using Linux, though there I am still on Windows 10, so I'm avoiding a lot of the Windows 11 stuff, but it's still awful.

[@BB-848-VAC]

whats the bad with windows 11?

[@DS6Prophet]

​@@BB-848-VAC A lot of things, if you don't debloat & customize your ISO prior & after the installation. By default it's bloated af & a very unpleasant experience.

[@m4rt_]

@@BB-848-VAC 1. the ads. 2. the performance being terrible. 3. the large amount of really annoying bugs, like the search bar in the start menu not always working. among many other issues, like privacy and security.

[@frankhuurman3955]

agree with@@m4rt_ just got a new laptop for my gf that had win 11 pre-installed, she had win 10 before this. It feels very buggy and unstable, obvious options like "pin to taskbar" are hidden behind an extra menu when you right-click on an item, the overall feel of the OS is a lot slower and more yanky even though the laptop itself is a massive performance step forward from a mid-range i5 from 8 years ago to a 13th gen i7, from 8GB ram to 32. Oh and don't forget about the forced Microsoft account requirement to even get into your desktop, she didn't have an account before. And indeed a lot of pushed ads with a fresh install, they really want to push OneDrive to haunt your dreams. After testing it for a week we decided to swap the SSD and now she's back on her old Win 10 SSD and performance is way better. Couldn't convince her to use Linux yet but perhaps with all the upcoming improvements and EOL of Win 10 I can finally get her into it.

[@BB-848-VAC]

@@m4rt_ fuckit im going to freebsd

[@andresgoens]

gosh, I'm so glad I stopped using windows 18 years ago... thanks for the reminder of what I'm (not) missing out on!

[@leastexpected3115]

First time i read that title as "Linux users can't stop whining". Which, as a fellow linux user, can tell, is NOT true

[@PolarCheese]

same

[@dolgorukysvyatoslav]

whining or winning?

[@Lampe2020]

Win7 was a nice-looking, very usable and AFAIK ad-free OS in the Micro$oft Window$ line. And it was the last one I'd be willing to use without someone else requiring it for being able to collaborate with me.

[@bertnijhof5413]

A change from Windows to Linux happened, when Windows Vista was released. I still use my favorite Windows XP daily to play the wma copies of my LPs and CDs with WoW and TrueBass effects. I installed and activated the Windows XP VM in March 2010 to replace dual booting between Ubuntu and Vista and the VM survived 2 VBox owners; 3 desktops and 4 CPUs. Other favorites were Windows for Workgroups 3.11 on my 486DX66 and Windows NT 4.0 at work :) Windows 7 is just service pack 3 of Windows Vista, but in the meantime the hardware had caught up.

[@ForeverZer0]

This was also during the era when Ubuntu was making huge strides in making Linux easily accessible, with simple GUI-installer, Unity desktop, live ISOs, etc, which are now pretty standard for every distro. I don't personally care for the modern Ubuntu, but they did make some advancements in making Linux more accessible to Windows and bringing the name "Linux" into the public consciousness. Prior to that, normies had never even heard of Linux.

[@ffwast]

The source code leaked in 2020 so apparently now you can just compile drivers and run XP directly on brand new hardware.

[@ShmuggumsMcGee]

I've been using Windows for decades. Never saw any ads. But then again I'm in the EU so maybe that has something to do with it.

[@tristen_grant]

Good for you.

[@JacobP81]

That's great. I guess they are not allowed to do it there.

[@cobaltsashu]

You can confirm if an app is an ad, or is actually installed. You just search for it in the start menu and if it doesnt come up, then it’s not installed. But I do agree that ads in the menu should clearly state that they are ads. (Or even better, not have ads in the start menu at all)

[@JohnDlugosz]

I don't use the Windows Start menu. I use a 3rd party replacement called _Classic Shell_ . It's free, open source, highly recommended.

[@JacobP81]

Me to!

[@Kalmaro4152]

Switch over to Open-Shell, as Classic Shell isn't maintained anymore

[@PaulaXism]

@@Kalmaro4152 Does Aston Desktop still exist? (shows how long it is since I ran windoesn't on anything in my house)

[@olivers.7821]

The question is, to which point modifing the Windows OS is preferable over switching to Linux?

[@marcusmeaney]

I was one of the people who got into linux a few years back after they announced 11, was sick of every release after 7. made me finally pull the trigger and never looked back

[@jeonghutamilim2259]

Many of my customers have told me that learning curve was way smaller when they tried switching from wxp - 10 to out of the box linux distro, than when they had to learn how to use never release of windows.

[@AndersHass]

Time to make a Linux distro filled with ads just so Windows isn’t one step “above” Linux there, lol.

[@dolgorukysvyatoslav]

One shitty distro is just that - one among hundreds. Unless it does something exceptional, no one will hype it and no one will even know about it

[@DS6Prophet]

As a Windows 11 user, my first move is to do a 2 stage debloating: before installation & right after my first boot. I manage to remove most crap, making my OS like the LTSC version of Windows, something that definitely makes my experience extremely stable & pleasant! I really feel bad for people not trch savvy enough to do this though. Windows by default is a bloody nightmare! Anyway, another good video, mate! GGs!

[@pwii]

I did a similar thing for my GPU VM, removing everything that is microsoft from windows makes it actually good and decent enough to use when there is literally nothing running in the background, it can even use as little as 1GB of RAM. It was a long process though, there are so many things to delete

[@DS6Prophet]

@@pwii Indeed! I also disabled Windows Update. It's honestly useless for the system. Just install the drivers, vc++ and dotnet on your system manually and you're golden. Everything else is completely unnecessary. No way am I letting M$ sneak some dumb update on my watch!

[@StaceyAyodele]

For me...the only two programs I install (aside from all my other programs that I use) are Open-Shell and RetroBar Open-Shell: github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu RetroBar: github.com/dremin/RetroBar Love these two programs a ton. Open-Shell gives me a Start Menu I CONTROL. RetroBar gives me the old Windows taskbars.

[@TetrisMaster512]

@@DS6Prophet I'll just stick to systems where I don't have to worry about updates pushing anti-features, instead of putting my computers at a higher risk of being pwned because I'm scared to install a set of updates that includes critical security fixes, especially with Windows already being a prime target due to its high market share. You do you though.

[@DS6Prophet]

​@@TetrisMaster512 With the appropriate tools, Windows becomes quite sandboxed. I use Wire Shark to verify my settings leave no net activity escape my system, without my permission. As for the updates, Group Policy combined with UWT5 & OSSU10 make it pretty solid & isolated, even completely blocking any Updates. We all optimize our OSs to our liking! I have no issue with any OS, we all use what serves us best!😊

[@JohnSmith-lc1ml]

Remember people paid Mircrosoft for this OS. If you havent already throw some money to the people managing your distro.

[@joshallen128]

zorin os i threw 48 usd at because their OS support is lovely

[@JohnSmith-lc1ml]

@@joshallen128 People like you make the linux world go round.

[@joshallen128]

@@JohnSmith-lc1ml idk if i should be flattered but gnu linux and its ilk make it difficult to choose because theres so many forks and splits and schisms constantly, people like one provider so they can complain to that single entity if something goes wrong and hold that big entity accountable. hardware makers cater to that big entity too because its centralized and well they know where they are.

[@Swineflu-jm7wx]

I fear I won't be able to start my PC without an internet connection

[@VileStorms]

My dad says hi, he also says he will never go back to windows. When i built his computer for him i asked him if hed be willing to give linux a chance. He said yes and that was 2 years ago. I set him up with mint and he has almost become more of a proud linux user than i am. (Hes 53, who says old dogs cant learn new tricks). The funny thing is hed always proudly say "im using linux!" To customer support people for various tools he uses. Ive just told him to not even mention it now, because of the idiocy in level 1. They are browser based programs... It could run on a potato if potatoes had browsers

[@antisemite4427]

Windows 7 was indeed the last true OS from MS

[@snowthearcticfox1]

Nothing like ads in a paid os 😂

[@gwgux]

I only use Windows at work. It's what the job says I have to use on company owned hardware, so that's that. That's the only justification to running Windows that I have. All my other needs at home are met by Linux so I'm free from Windows at home. Work is still that one exception where company decision is the company decision and it's based on their software/hardware needs. Not end user preference. At work, I absolutely HATE using Windows. So many of hours of my life in IT have been dedicated to fixing problem after problem on Windows for over 20 years now and that's even after I've moved on from desktop/server support to phone systems and networking. Meanwhile anything we run on Linux, "just works" after we get the system up and running and moved into production. Just saying...It's not all that good for work either, but the Microsoft monopoly over the work place is very real and far harder to break than for home computing needs. It's just my opinion ,but if more work places move to Mac, Chromebook, etc., instead of Windows, more home users would likely start looking at alternatives too.

[@some1and297]

We haven't even started talking about how you need to get the c++ / rust compiler working on windows 😭. The only was is to install visual studio and add the compiler as a dependency.

[@ChristopherJamesNeff]

Who else read the title as “Linux Users Can Never Stop “Whining”?”

[@joeschmoe7324]

Yeah I know as a linux user myself I feel cheated at not having ads stuffed in my face wash sniff sniff. I want an os that's trying to gouge money, do poltergeist ridden updates and herd me to the company store, life isn't fair.

[@jfolz]

Since I'm lazy and have an Nvidia GPU in my desktop, I was gonna wait for Windows 10 support to expire next year to finally fully de-Windows. Then, after an update two weeks ago, said Windows install decided to become a non-operating system. Clicking any of the many "make repair" buttons only made it worse. I'm not quite sure what distro will go on there. And no, it won't be Arch.

[@PolarCheese]

Same thing happened to me in 2023. Windows messed with my AMD drivers during an update and I wasn't able to fix them back. Had to use an unstable OS filled with ads that would randomly freeze at least once every day for about 9 months until I was able to backup all my files onto an external SSD and move to Linux. I did not use any VMs and did not try any alternatives to my windows exclusive programs, so I was pretty much clueless to how Linux would be. I chose Kubuntu because it is considered "user-friendly" and it has KDE Plasma which is better for Windows users coming to Linux. It has been 5 months and the system is very stable. I have an Nvidia GPU too, but I haven't experienced any noticable issues with the proprietary drivers.

[@PolarCheese]

I also tried Linux Mint on an older HDD laptop which was barely functional even with Windows 10 and now it is faster than it ever was. You should probably go for something Ubuntu-based.

[@jfolz]

@@PolarCheese hard no on anything Debian/Ubuntu based. Used it before for a couple of years and the software is just too old. I'm happy with Fedora on other machines, but also intrigued by Nix.

[@Gnabbist]

​@@jfolzI've had good luck with EndeavourOS on my main tower (Nvidia and Intel.) For my level of lazy Linux user, the EndeavourOS devs seem to have added just enough "convenience scripting" to make updates and maintenance easy, without monkeying with so much that extra breakage opportunities get introduced. It's been running fine for me for a year and a half - whereas other "easy for noobs user friendly Arch" respins would consistently choke on a routine update within a few weeks. Just FYI, in case Arch is still in the running for you.

[@m4rt_]

Ads have been there since Windows 10 btw

[@scheimong]

Not Windows, but MS Office's UI. After daily driving Linux for 3 years at this point, it's one of the few things I can think of immediately that I believe Microsoft did (and still does) really well. It's difficult to put into words, but MS Office's UI just feels... smoother and more intuitive than LibreOffice. Like the buttons are more findable, frequently used functions are closer to the top level, things like that. They're small things but they add up. Especially when compared side by side, you can really tell that MS Office has that kind of final polish that maybe only giant corporations can afford. Luckily I am a software developer so I don't have to use an Office suite that often. But the few times I do, man do I miss having MS Word.

[@disasterarea9341]

honestly the best competition for the ms office suite is online stuff from google, e.g. google sheets vs excel, google docs vs word. been really unimpressed with libreoffice. i dont need office suite stuff at home so im pretty happy daily driving linux at home but i use some of the office apps at work and windows still does that well and it would be painful to drive linux at work. i think microsoft strategy at the moment is for enterprise users to still try and make good products (+ sell hype with AI) and for home users to push adware and so on, because thats how they make the most revenue. it does look like linux is finally starting to improve its market share for home users but it wont significantly eat into windows to the point of hurting microsoft financially for a long long time so the enshitification will continue. also tbh in terms of desktop experience i find windows more stable (after some rudimentary debloat), linux's stability is incredible on the server side but the desktop environments still need some work (gnome is a mess with the extensions system and while i love kde i am experiencing crashes every few weeks while not doing anything that crazy, and some of the behaviour is clearly a bit buggy...) so even aside from compatability issues and gaming support i still see some real upside of windows as a home user. linux is awesome but it is rough around the edges, some things dont work well out of the box, can be unstable or need some tweaking. theres still quite a few areas where linux needs to improve and reduce friction for it to really start cracking the market share into the double digits or anything. seeing steam pushing the gaming capabilities of linux is a good sign in that regard tho...

[@ZipplyZane]

I would have expected someone to create a ribbon style interface for LibreOffice, or even make their own ribbon-based Office clone. That said, you can at least run the online version of Office, or get a version running in Wine, if you really want it.

[@antoniopala8135]

AFAIK Office and Windows are two separate divisions within Microsoft, and the Office division is the one that actually makes a constant stream of money from subscriptions. That's probably why the Windows division is desperately trying to "monetize" the OS itself, which otherwise would only get a one-time license income.

[@scheimong]

@@ZipplyZane LibreOffice does have a ribbon-style interface option (and it is what I prefer), but that's not a panacea. Seriously go try it out. Frankly, I'd say MS Office 2007 has a better UI than LibreOffice has today. And this is not an insult against LibreOffice. To make a quality UI, I genuinely believe you just have to bite the bullet, dedicated hours and hours of designers and testers time, iterate, iterate, and iterate (TLDR dump a crap ton of money into it), something that a FOSS project like LibreOffice can understandably ill-afford.

[@masaufuku1735]

I personally hate the MS Office UI. With that said - LibreOffice *does* have a tabbed ribbon menu. It's just not enabled by default. To enable it, you need to go to tools->options->advanced and check "enable experimental features", then click ok and restart. After restart, select view->user interface and it'll open up a dialog menu with different UI options including both the standard toolbar, a tabbed "ribbon" style toolbar, and a context based toolbar.

[@user-dz3ph7dl4m]

switched the parents (who were still using win7 and are in their 70s) to debian a few months ago they're loving it. also switched my brother's pc over to PopOs last week. it's an easier sell when their CPUs are not officially supported for win11.

[@oldsport]

Windows is a whole ad for ads

[@MisterZig0]

When I built my first computer a few years ago I set up a dual boot thinking linux might be fun for some dev work but didn't expect it to be good in the slightest. I was using Ubuntu and still thought it was so much better than Windows and was pretty much done moving to Linux as a daily driver in about a month. Even back then I was annoyed that TikTok and Spotify or something were just in the start menu and I had to remove them after each Windows update. I'm never switching back, installing simple things like python on Windows are enough to remind me why package managers are superior to downloading an installer from a website that may or may not be legitimate.

[@aerospherology2001]

I very much want to start a computer business which would include giving customers the choice of Windows or a few Linux distributions (e.g. Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Zorin OS, etc.) to be installed on newly built or refurbished PCs.

[@musicalneptunian]

You may want to look at an Australian company called Linux Now. About a year ago they made my Linux custom computer. They are exactly what you mention.

[@antoniopala8135]

Sadly it won't be competitive with other vendors, because AFAIK Microsoft only gives a bulk discount on Windows licenses if you agree to pre-install them on _every_ PC you sell. That's why only very big PC makers (such as HP) offer that option for their workstations.

[@JacobP81]

Do it!

[@escthedark3709]

It wouldn't work. Nobody who wants to have a computer that works out of the box for most anything they want to do would buy a Linux machine, meaning you'd be selling to a nonexistent market. The inconvenience of installing Linux on a new computer is minor compared to using Linux as a Mac or Windows user.

[@JacobP81]

@@escthedark3709 It all depends what the person's use case is. And you actually can use a Linux computer pretty much like a Windows or Mac. Some software like MS Office and Adobe suit you would have to use alternatives like LibreOffice and GIMP/Inkscape/DiVici Resolve but it's totally doable.

[@Felix-on9dr]

Linux: Wayland improvements, Nvidia Drivers finally fixed??, Linux adoption growing, Is 2024 the year of the Linux desktop? Windows: More ads, less features

[@pvc988]

I wouldn't be so happy about growing Linux adoption. More casual users also means more complete idiots in the community. IMO, it is a good thing that desktop Linux sits a little bit in the shadow.

[@RK-kn1ud]

​@@pvc988Most Linux adopters were once casual users.

[@Linuxdirk]

Canonical: [chuckles] "I'm in danger"

[@RazoBeckett.]

Can't believe it! . Thought my monitor was the computer! Seriously, what now? Do I just carry my monitor around like a fancy briefcase?