The Systemic Abuse of Celebrities

[@BroeyDeschanel]

Hello! My friend Hannah and I started a podcast :) it's called Rehash, and it's all about social media phenomenons that once took the world by storm, only to be quickly forgotten! We're releasing episodes weekly, which you can find here (and wherever you get your podcasts): anchor.fm/rehashpodcast

[@oh_riley7104]

I'd like your take on the new developments with Meghan and Harry on your podcast! Loved the Lindsay Ellis episode!

[@EightWitTha24]

Selena Gomez needs more moments like her smoking weed on camera with Kid Cudi.

[@celinelia8127]

Broey Deschanel ummm,accchually... 36:40 it is acceptable in other context. For example - doctors, treat your patients with kindness. without them, you wouldn't have a job. Restaurant owners - make sure your customers are treated well. without them your business will coIIapse.

[@saphireblue3563]

Broey, this SO needed to be said!! We love them to make them famous, then eat and destroy them. I feel sorry for most famous people. The best thing is to be rich and NOT famous. The next is to be rich and famous. The worst is to be famous and not rich. You are just rat food.

[@karlc2869]

@@saphireblue3563 Not all child stars mess up. Look at Corbin Bleu and Ashley Tisdale.

[@Shanspeare]

How sick is hollywood to portray a real person's mental health and personal life as a mere prop on a game show. Like that really disgusted me. Britney deserved better.

[@emmy8526]

Or the jokes that Monica Lewinsky or Tonya Harding were the subjects of on late night for about a decade. At that point both were holed up in their homes with no income. Meanwhile Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein were on a crime spree around NY or LA with no comment from Leno or Letterman.

[@ruaoneill9050]

@@emmy8526 I wonder what the difference is? Hmmm I wonder what it could be? What makes Tanya and Monica a target but lets Harvey and Jefrey off the hook? It's a mystery I guess 😂😂😂😭😭😭

[@doperagu8471]

@@ruaoneill9050 hmmmmmm 🤔

[@theknd]

Hollywood is the epitome of evil.

[@ashwhyy]

this is exactly what I was thinking, very well put. the dehumanization that requires is appalling to say the least

[@dianthus__]

The way that Freddie Mercury was treated by the press throughout his career, but especially during the last years of his life, is absolutely horrifying. There was a throng of journalists camped outside his home 24/7, essentially waiting for him to die. Fame can be its own kind of hell.

[@shadows4419]

For all the fame and riches these celebrities make , there is an equal or even bigger price they pay. People shouting obscenities at them , camping outside their homes , they take away all their privacy and insult and ridicule them , Freddie went through a lot of pain both physical and mental in his last days. We only look at what these celebrities have in a materialistic way but they are rarely allowed to enjoy what they have. It’s almost like they are no longer human but aliens from another planet.

[@kaireid525]

Don't forget mj

[@rydermoran5042]

😂 They are NOT journalists, they are leech paperazzi

[@dianthus__]

@Sightless Sniper Freddie wasn’t clueless, he knew that media attention would come with fame. What I’m saying- what should be obvious- is that the yellow press went so far beyond decency, even by their own subterranean standards. These people knowingly shamed and harassed a dying man BECAUSE he was dying of a highly stigmatized disease, all for their own selfish gain. That is an unfairly upsetting experience that no one should have to accept, at any level of fame. Here are a few instances of him talking about fame, which he did rather extensively: “I think it would be a very stupid person who is in this position to think that nothing derogatory is ever going to come out about them. That would be very silly. I always knew there were going to be exposés. It just depends how horrible they are, of course. I think most of us know that is always on the sideline. You always know. It’s something we live with.” “I think I’ve learned to live with it after all these years. I’d be a liar to say I’m not hurt by criticism because everybody is. Of course I want everybody to say I’m wonderful and that they like my songs, and I don’t mind genuine well thought out criticism, but of course you’re going to get people who review our albums without even listening to them, and things like that. That’s the way of the world. I used to get really mad and start tearing my hair out, but I don’t have sleepless nights any more. I learned to live with it. It needs a strong-willed person to survive in this industry. You have to be astute and strong. You have to be a hard-faced bitch.” “My private life is private, and okay little bits of it sneak out, and I can come up with outrageous quotes, and that’s as far as I go. There are always going to be people in the press after you - all out to get you.”

[@carolgeorgeson9632]

Yep it was evil the way freddie was treated by the press

[@Currrby]

that family feud thing was sickening

[@haute03]

@IntrepidFinch Yeah, that was awful. I didn't know he said that.

[@appletree6898]

ghoulish

[@ashdog236]

@IntrepidFinch shocking how cruel we all were back in the day

[@xrrgr]

and the VMA host chick...

[@camrieniyana1116]

that was tv programming for real

[@lauraguthoff9692]

We all say "If Britney survived 2007 i can survive xyz", but i would not have survived what shes gone through. This woman has gone through pure hell and shes still getting up every morning to gain her freedom back. She deserves respect just for that. It breaks my heart.

[@erossinema8797]

Most people have no idea of what it takes to be a sought after entertainer and how difficult it is. They just think it's glamour and riches, so everything's fine. Pffft!

[@annnee6818]

I agree. A lot of people would not have survived 13 years of literal slave imprisonment!!!

[@karlc2869]

@@annnee6818 IKR.

[@karlc2869]

@@annnee6818 BTW get lost nuisance KZbinr. Thanks, girl.

[@karlc2869]

Let's forget her dark past. Thanks, girl.

[@santootie]

I think this is why the Gorillaz are so interesting to me. By using fictional character they are completely detaching themselves from the celebrity culture while still being able to make their art and having it broadcasted to millions of people.

[@HitovsMoustache]

Same with Daft Punk.

[@Charlied4rling]

especially cuz one of the founders damon albarn was rlly in the british press n media w his previous band blur in the 90s !!

[@gabiocampos]

I mean there are so some obsessed Damon Albarn fans out there, me lol 😂

[@santootie]

@@gabiocampos yeah not saying there aren't my boyfriend's one of them lol. But it has made it easier for him to have a personal life out of the spotlight

[@jeremyud]

I always thought Lady Gaga was so thoroughly costumed in the early stages of her career for the same reason. In 2009-10 she still probably could have just walked about her normal life as Stefani. Nobody really knew what she actually looked like.

[@wintersolsticewitch5377]

This part where Miley says that she's not 12 anymore because people decide things for her makes me realize why the entertainment industry loves child stars...

[@areolagrandespoop7269]

@Yummy Luv ???

[@areolagrandespoop7269]

Ikr I love her. I’m so glad she’s so authentic with herself now. She’s such a daddy ✋

[@bighustle1939]

thats certainly one of the reasons

[@aboriginalson]

spirit cooking...

[@hollyk7052]

Miley was the BIGGEST child star at the time, her familial support is honestly what I think saved her from a complete breakdown. I don’t know how I would handle that sort of attention/criticism, while my brain is still forming, by millions of people.

[@dynadem3156]

Jesus, Britney being called fat when she looked completely normal was so heartbreaking

[@athenajaxon2397]

that legit grossed me out Joel whatever his last name is needs to GTFO

[@thedanespeaks]

She wouldn't deserve abuse if she was fat. That is disgusting. Try to examine your fatphobia.

[@yolo6334]

Nobody was being fatphobic- yeah she wouldnt deserve the abuse even if she was fat but she isnt fat either way- its still mean to call someone something theyre not, especially when it can drag them down- being called something you dont wanna be called is an insult as it is. Some ppl wanna be called skinny and others see it as an insult, some ppl like to be called short and some dont- but nobody here was being fatphobic- no matter what her body looks like or what she herself looks like, she doesnt deserve the abuse- period

[@GiacomoJimmi]

The few clips I’ve seen make me suspect that Joel McHale actually IS the character he plays in “Ted”.

[@loverrlee]

I know I now hate Joel for saying that. He’s canceled.

[@alaanaahh]

That whole “fame is abuse” line got me because just yesterday I saw a video of Miley Cyrus on Facebook where she was going out to greet & take pics with a big crowd of fans behind a metal gate, and one of the fans kept like touching/brushing her hair as if she’s a horse or something. Miley didn’t even react, but it struck me as odd. So I commented on the video saying how weird that was to me and someone responded back saying “it’s not weird it’s admiration.” So your line “fame is abuse” really reminded me of that. It just made me so uncomfortable but Miley didn’t even flinch which made me believe she’s probably used to be treated like that :/

[@voluntarism335]

You do not touch someone without their explicit permission, Miley Cyrus does not have to tolerate that at all.

[@zephfyre5167]

@@voluntarism335 Yeah, but it must have happened a lot to a point that she got tired of even fighting it off.

[@DiscoTimelordASD]

The fact that someone has been conditioned to accept strangers violating their personal space without so much as batting an eye is just heartbreaking.

[@alim.9801]

Touching people without their consent isn't admiration, wtf?? It's rude boundary crossing, and super entitled. That's so gross

[@alaanaahh]

@@alim.9801 yes I agree that’s what I said in my comment..

[@graygarland]

Our culture has an *entitlement* problem. We treat customer service people the same way, demanding they be beholden to whatever we ask because we spend money on the company they represent or the service they offer. We need to treat all people like humans, especially in a business context-not chattel, not merchandise, not our therapists, not our friends.

[@Anakim416]

This is it. Entitlement.

[@graygarland]

@Wise Acres 'Hello Fence Post' those CSRs are still humans with boundaries. Just because they represent another entity doesn’t mean that they are relinquishing their humanity by entering into that agreement. Functionally, we have the same entitlement towards public figures because we say that they’ve signed away their right to privacy, to boundaries, to their own humanity in choosing to become a public figure. Our expectations of people in the service industry is a reflection of entrenched entitlement. Perhaps your expectations are influenced by the normalization of violating boundaries and projecting our emotions onto others rather than taking responsibility for our own emotions and problems. We all suffer from that. And eventually, we will all have to deal with the personal manifestations of these internalized cultural norms. Unfortunately, it won’t be comfortable.

[@copiumforthepeople]

entitlement and dehumanization enabled and encouraged by a capitalist society

[@graygarland]

@@copiumforthepeople for sure. :/

[@kitgoolsby]

i blame technology. technology gives us everything instantly and if when the wifi goes out or instagram goes down, people freak out as if their lives don’t exist without their phone or technology. just a theory, but i agree about entitlement completely, there is zero patience.

[@coryl3943]

A good example of "manufactured authenticity" are these vogue 73 questions interviews imo.

[@cocteautwin]

100%

[@Flocherryblossom]

Yes I hate those!! They're so obviously fake

[@quester09]

the parodies as well

[@amberrj.]

The ASAP Rocky/Rihanna Vogue interview was so cringe worthy & corny, contrived to me. Smh didn't even watch it all

[@QuidamByMoonlight]

LOL. Yeah. Taylor Swift did a decent and playfully highlighted the fact that it was meticulously scripted, “Oh look. Here’s my MTV award.”

[@dtoudassous]

A lot of the people who have embraced the Britney redemption will engage in exactly the same behaviours online that she was subjected to.

[@texaspoontappa2088]

This! I've literally seen people bully Gabby Hanna (or whatever her name is) for no reason besides her music being mediocre (not even valid criticism about her actions) while we're all supposed to be questioning how we treat people in the public eye after seeing the way we treated Britney. Hypocrisy.

[@lotus_dream]

@@texaspoontappa2088 she did more than just nothing... She shouldn't be bully (as in names call, madr fun of, etc.) bc of it but scamming her fans and not apologizing properly is a big no no for me.

[@shameonyou1681]

ppl already do. There are so many ppl who support the free britney movement who treat her instagram posts as either conspiracies, a tragedy unfolding in front of them or just as a freakshow. I feel like so many ppl are supporting her under the guise that she's "normal" and thus doesn't "deserve" to be treated badly and ignore that she obvious does have serious mental health issues which she has said herself!! Like it's really not about championing for ppl with disabilities not being exploited or even caring for how celebs are treated just how she specifically was treated bc ppl have a soft spot for nostalgia. I'm scared that if she does get help with her conservatorship and gets more freedom if she acts in a way that ppl deem unfavourable or wierd they'll turn on her and say she deserves to be in it bc again.....

[@MCArt25]

a lot of them are literally engaging in these same behaviors right in the yt comment section

[@autumn7809]

🌚

[@SparkleNeely]

Nothing like what happened to Britney has ever happened to anyone else. The girl was hounded mercilessly and driven to a mental breakdown. It was like a stoning in public. For her to still even have love for humanity and a love of life shows just how strong she is.

[@goldenrain87]

Yes apart from her male counter part MJ 😪

[@karlc2869]

Whitney Houston and Robert Downey Jr. too.

[@mcqueen5588]

Agree with you, is sick how they all behaved and then had and still have the audacity to blame it all on her as if she ever had control. I think that the only next target after her has been Justin Bieber. Damn if that kid wasn't attacked, stalked and degraded since his day one. Only difference is that he's a boy and came to the industry barely before the streaming/tech era started. Like right after they broke Britney in 2007, by 2009 JB was already media's new target: fresh naive flesh to tear down also at a young age. And they also broke him by the time he hit 20yrs. Public and media are mf sick when it comes about children who worked their ass off to make their dreams come true and without even intendingnit, became the "American dream". They'll hate no matter what 😒💔

[@karlc2869]

@@mcqueen5588 Lindsay Lohan and Amanda Bynes too. BTW not all young stars mess up. Thanks, dude.

[@karlc2869]

Britney is OK now, Harley Quinn. Let's move on from her dark past, girl.

[@loliwinxedits6095]

what i despise is how people will probably just go "Ahh yes the media is horrible." and ignore all the time they spend being evil to celebrities too

[@e.nataliareyeshdez.3557]

Preach

[@thequeenofcringe1585]

@@TheSoberCapricorn I would’ve gone with the Epstein scandal and the fact that the media is completely ignoring the fact that the 1% is hoarding money and not paying taxes, but you do you, I guess.

[@paigelovette8156]

THIS. Even in the comments people are blaming everything on Justin Timberlake the hell? They will never see their the true villains.

[@devonmunn5728]

While i see your point i don't think that calling out people when they do horrible things isn't bad either. Yes people shouldn't mistreat and do horrible shit to celebs all the time but it shouldn't also be used as an excuse for "oh don't criticize me the media is horrible so i can have a get-out-of-being-held-accountable-for-my-racist-behavior card". Plus it isn't all because of the public common people (only partially) but also bigoted systems they cause these structures to begin with. Yes people should be called out for taking part in them but we should also remind ourselves why these systems exist to begin with

[@gildanonofyabiznez6430]

This

[@xrrgr]

I once remember Beyoncé talking about how singers used to just be singers and nothing more. Voices and lyrics to enjoy but now everyone feels entitled to a singer’s personal lives like they’re a reality tv star. So it makes me grimace when ppl complain about her not showing her life more or calling her boring for not showcasing her private life.

[@guitarherops31]

I remember when Beyonce gave birth to her daughter Blue, the Internet went wild and many were saying mean things about her newborn. That must’ve taken a toll on her, I’m not surprised she chooses to be more private. Even now we barely hear about her twins, which is a good thing.

[@agnesdenie132]

I've often thought that a side effect of that is the pressure to be conventionally attractive, especially (again) for women.

[@xrrgr]

@@guitarherops31 right

[@NotJoegoldberg]

it started changing with elvis I think. And became worse w the Beatles and MJ, madonna and then Britney.

[@estefanymurillo22]

Or asumming she is "dumb" and that is the reason that "her team" "hides her from the public"

[@sophiemakesvideos8799]

It doesn’t sit well with me that Brittney was so scrutinized for sleeping with Justin and he got off scot free. I understand she said she would practice abstinence but still, people change there minds, I just hope people can be more understanding.

[@mattpierce1011]

And he got off scot free for nipplegate too!!!

[@haute03]

The fact that her virginity was even a topic of public discourse was a problem in itself.

[@emmy8526]

According to patriarchal sexist dictates, it made him a player; she went straight from virginity to promiscuity apparently.

[@JeantheSecond]

The whole abstinence thing was probably pushed on her by her management to maintain her image.

[@franchescazamora1726]

He’s a culture vulture who needs to be banned by the black community

[@DeadlyLazer]

People: "money doesn't buy you happiness" Also people: "these celebrities are so rich. How can they be depressed?"

[@Wendy_Cedeno]

@walspurgisnacht Tell that to Robin Williams, oh wait.... you can't :(

[@derekwall200]

well i think the answer is pretty fucking obvious. and keep in mind this papparazi bullshit all started becoming a trend with princess diana just before she wound up wearing a mercedes to the cemetary

[@opinionsonstories]

People don't know what to believe. They'll say one thing, but their actions will say the opposite. They use celebrities being rich as an excuse to not acknowledge how badly they treat and talk about them.

[@cantthinkofaname5046]

@@opinionsonstoriesI agree, but that empathy goes away when a celeb uses their influence to do something that is blatantly awful.

[@imonit1177]

If it's so horrible they should give up their cash and get real jobs. Bet you they won't 😂

[@hollyk7052]

Something ironic that I noticed: you included a clip of Selena backstage and right next to her (her friend) was an OG KZbinr Christina Grimmie, who was actually murdered at a meet and greet. She died as a result of a para-social relationship, at the peak transition and overlap of mainstream and internet media. Celebrity culture surrounding young women is terrifying.

[@thequeenofcringe1585]

As if life as a woman isn’t already terrifying.

[@StefanConstantinDumitrache]

@@NoOne-wn9ju what?

[@naomitenorio2852]

@@StefanConstantinDumitrache I think they're referring to Selena Quintanilla

[@rickardkaufman3988]

@@naomitenorio2852 Didn't JLo play her in a biopic?

[@Evilushka]

@@rickardkaufman3988 Yes

[@maevemonroe]

“I just really can’t wait for people to forget about me.” I never knew Selena Gomez said that. The sadness in that statement says so much about everything unhealthy in celebrity culture. The research that went into this video is really stellar all over but that quote especially is going to stick with me.

[@pinek8564]

@Mrseasy143 why would she lose money

[@momoz1]

@Mrseasy143 she probably has enough money now to live comfortable for the rest of her life so....

[@Thesilentvoice...]

If she wants people to forget about her there's always an option of exiting the spotlight. If she doesn't want to be remembered she should do less to be in the news maybe?

[@lindapark6955]

@@Thesilentvoice... she’s bipolar and is really up and down with her emotions, one moment she would overtly plan something for her career and the next she doesn’t want one

[@GotoMaki4Micah]

yet they stan her like they are in a real relationship with her. if they where true fans they would let her fade into obscurity. they dont even know what their own idol is saying.

[@PaulClipMaster]

Society likes to build up the underdog. Then once you get to the top they want to drag you down. Then once you're down, you are back to being the underdog again and they want to build you back up. Humanity is sick.

[@moctit5174]

This.

[@wakkaseta8351]

They don't want to build you back up after they drag you down, they want to toss you aside as "old news" and "a cautionary tale" in favor of the new underdog of the week.

[@DARTHMOBIUS]

Society does nothing but consume what ever they’re told to consume, Media does the building, and when the system has its fill, then it’s the tear-down in accordance with ‘..all Empires crumble to ruin..’ all but their own...

[@NeonLambFilms]

Like the ole’ Don Henley song “Dirty Laundry” - for a song that came out in the late 70s it was ahead of its time 😏 “Kick em when they’re up, kick em when they’re down”- very accurate and seems to be worse today.

[@BigBossStatusAintMadeForRunts]

Brought to u by The Tavistock Institute...

[@laurenbenton7274]

My jaw dropped when that lady said what she said about Britney & her kids. I can’t believe that was viewed as ‘okay’

[@stretchmonster]

That was Sarah Silverman. She's made a career out of being insufferably crass and 'edgy.'

[@karlc2869]

@@stretchmonster She at least apologized in '21.

[@bjorx88]

She got a lot of shit for it even back then.

[@TheCoco7802]

The fact that some people justify the insanity of celebrity culture by the fact that they are rich or that "It's the price to pay." is bugging me so much. No, it's not the price to pay. You don't get to stalk, insult, harass people just because they have a better financial situation than you...

[@manifestdreams5157]

Best comment

[@sharkofjoy]

Well. I mean billionaires should have this happen to them. Not celebrities, but the ones doing the abusing of the celebrities are often the high execs, moreso than the fans.....the fans are bad but .....

[@loverrlee]

The tragic part is people are doing this abuse to KZbinrs and Twitch streamers and a lot of times those people barely make median income like Sarah Z said. So they get all the hate but zero financial reward. It’s heartbreaking. 💔

[@fredicashannon5552]

Its about how you git your status. If it was created for you ... yiu have ni control. Your a puppet

[@gcdfhvf5491]

@@loverrlee I've seen this shit happen to children who accumulated an following in niche fandoms. They don't even make money off the stuff they do yet they still get the downsides of fame.

[@MitchiiNeonz]

This is why there are so many faceless youtubers AND virtual reality youtubers, so that they will not be subjected to the public eye and yet still live a quiet and private life

[@anyone1111]

Exactly. I don’t think if I started a YT channel, that I would ever show my face.

[@lukelim5094]

Ohhh

[@katara2021]

Japan has a lot of musicians like that too that just do most of the stuff anonymously.

[@DDRWakaLaka]

Until their camera messes up and it briefly shows their faces, that is :(

[@graveraider1029]

What about their voices tho? Just look at what happened to Corpse.

[@dianthus__]

This phenomenon was distilled by Nora Ephron in her essay on Pat Loud: “The public has an almost insatiable need to feel superior to people who appear to have everything.”

[@sloanefrances1881]

so true !!!!!

[@adt4025]

Yep. They're just jealous.

[@sloanefrances1881]

@@adt4025 not to dismiss your free-form comment whatsoever! But i have to argue that the nature of this concept as a whole is…it transcends mundane jealousy as we know and experience it in our lives…its really conducive to a kind of shadow-fascism that we have yet to identify completely and eliminate. Nonetheless, your comment and input is valid and welcomed fellow human!

[@Omnihilo]

@@sloanefrances1881 What do you mean by “shadow fascism”?

[@sloanefrances1881]

@@Omnihilo fascism that lurks in the shadows-unseen fascism

[@littlemariecat]

It's also important to note that Selena Gomez and Miley Cyrus come from different backgrounds, Miley's family background offers her a bit of security so she can take risks while Selena's does not . Selena has to maintain a certain image to continue to work and remain in the same circles therefore everything has to go through a filter.

[@mooooooodyy]

I think as well with the images they have created, miley can now afford to take risks as taking risks is part of her brand. Even if something ‘flops’ or creates backlash, it won’t really be shocking. Whereas, Selena’s whole brand is pretty ‘safe’ so doing something majorly different/ edgy would be so much more risky and shocking.

[@veesaos8316]

imo it can also be seen in their music. miley is really experimental with her music trying lots of genres, and her highs are high and critically acclaimed. her lows are LOW and considered flops. selena's music... well i know she has her fans but critically speaking, it's pretty eh.

[@user-gq6km1ku1h]

Moral of the story : Justin Timberlake is the villain in everyone’s story.

[@Imyourcherryybomb]

He just keeps getting worse....

[@JC-jd1us]

For real though.

[@lalaishappyyy]

agreed

[@adilabadri1608]

I truly despise him

[@jiyama]

i liked a few of his solo songs but damn he always had a punchable face since i saw him as a kid when hes still part of n'sync.. bsb 4 life lmao

[@thephilguy1]

I really did not appreciate the gravity of "leave Britney alone" as a teenager in 2007 the way I do now. Thank you for this video.

[@StefanConstantinDumitrache]

There was no gravity, it was made as a joke.

[@TimeLady018]

@@StefanConstantinDumitrache I thought Chris Crocker was serious...

[@StefanConstantinDumitrache]

@@TimeLady018 oh, you silly goose

[@loverrlee]

Oh my gosh I constantly quote that girl! She was right. Britney didn’t deserve it. 💔💔💔

[@caitlynortega1829]

I was in middle school when she shaved her head and something just never sat well with my mom, sister, and I. We always felt there was so much more to it than we were led to believe. Defending her was almost a lost cause back then because people would bully you for liking her! Even now her reputation the media painted haunts her... I called her princess of pop once and someone got so disgusted with me, I was shocked.

[@Ashley-kp6ob]

I wish you had brought up Monica Lewinsky. I know she’s not a celebrity in the way we think of it but she’s a great example of the way moral standards(and the accompanying abuse) are always thrown on public figures.

[@justinchoy476]

Always felt bad for her. She didn't deserve the shit storm she got.

[@alphabettical1]

I'm 23 recently, and I can't get over how y o u n g she was. But also like, every time I learn more about cases like this, it makes me think: how could media never learn?? Like, even Diana - didn't they learn from Marilyn Monroe? Jackie Kennedy? I mean I know why/how they didn't, it just seems incredible in the way that Monica's age seems incredible.

[@EvaHoHoHo]

i get what you mean, but i think Monica's story is is a different sort of thing; i think that story is more about America's/the world's weird sexist double standards about sex and sexuality. because unlike the other women in this video, Monica wasn't a public figure before her """""Downfall"""""".

[@MyChannel773]

check out the last week tonight episode about her! (it’s called “public shaming”)

[@eddiehampson5601]

The podcast You’re Wrong About, referenced in the opening of this video, has a great series about how Lewinsky was maligned by the public

[@zippydeedoda]

i can’t help but cry when i delve too deep into Britney Spears and her media treatment. the fact that she never ended her own life is kind of insane to me but I’ve very glad she’s still here

[@karlc2869]

Lindsay Lohan too. I mean, the media's greediness and misogyny habit is the main reason they fell from grace.

[@jaxpaula]

[@Pauliex33]

@pyropulseIXXI yeah, as britney said, celebrities are still people just like you and i, that's the point.. what exactly were you trying to say? some celebrities end their lives, and some common folk do as well..?

[@karlc2869]

@@Pauliex33 Mental health is now being taken seriously.

[@shadows4419]

The game show was disgusting , they should all be ashamed of themselves.

[@agiksf.8998]

And the last clip of that woman on the award show? What gives these people the right to attack Britney to this degree? USA, the great country...

[@tidefanyankee2428]

@@agiksf.8998 You're going to blame the country over the actions of a few? LOL, that's absurd. The USA is a country of +330 Million people of many colors and coming from many cultures.

[@susanrobertson984]

@@agiksf.8998 Sarah Silverman? She is super famous too.

[@julianikolich8400]

@@agiksf.8998 looks over at the korean and japanese idol industry with some... notes

[@carolgeorgeson9632]

Karma to that game show host..what an asshole...but karma sure got him

[@lexg5317]

As a kid i loved the idea of being famous bcs i would have attention and adoring fans. Now as an adult, the thought of being famous and having complete strangers know me, project on me, judge me and overanalyse my every move is one of my biggest fears. People really do treat anyone with any sort of platform or fame like an animal in a zoo or a spokesperson/rolemodel.

[@ambarcastaneda4763]

Same! Being famous went from being one of my biggest dreams to one of my biggest fears. I really don’t know how people can cope with it. I’m already super sensitive about anything anybody says to me, can’t imagine how I’d feel if I got that X100,000

[@anyone1111]

Exactly. When tbh. Being peoples role models all because they have a platform that they wanted to make and enjoy, is not (not to be mean sorry if it comes off this was I truly mean no harm or anything it’s just how I feel and anyone of course can completely disagree with me) their job. They didn’t sign up to do that particular task of a spokes person/ role model. But yeah. Also whoever is reading this, have a beautiful day🥰

[@tonyb7615]

welcome

[@mazzy713]

God, its so disgusting how everyone was just absolutely laying into Britney, especially about her comeback performance and her "weight". Shes not overweight! Just unbelievable, and so sad. She deserves better.

[@TheVerosyv]

people dont get this: most women you see in media are underweight or lower normalweight. no one is ever middle normalweight or higher normalweight. which is a fairly common weight range!!!

[@jenynz5334]

It has always been practically a crime to be fat. In the public and private sector.

[@chaimomma9198]

She’s perfect and has curves and muscles.

[@margea2400]

@Holly Hooligan exactly, I couldn't believe it was him and was highly disgusted! That was beyond just casually poking fun at someone, that was terrifying levels of cruel and damaging!

[@thedanespeaks]

This really is a good way too see how fat shaming works. No she is not " overweight" but your comment implies that if she was she would deserve abuse. That is tragic and scary.

[@relaxationstation7634]

at 15:50, Britney sobbing about the paparazzi never leaving her alone is heartbreaking. she always deserved better and was never able to just live her life.

[@karlc2869]

IKR but Britney ain't the only one. I mean, Michael Jackson also cried on television during his 1993 Neverland Ranch statement in which he told the media and the paps to leave him alone by saying the words "Don't treat like a criminal 'cause I'm innocent." Plus, Princess Diana said in an interview (with the now disgraced Martin Bashir of course) in 1995 that she wanted to be the "People's Princess" instead of being pursued by the paps and being painted in the public for her personal life. In other words, MJ, Britney and Princess Diana were kicked by the press. The only difference is that Britney's still alive while MJ and Diana are both no longer with us sadly. The media needs to atone for their sins and apologize to the celebs - alive or deceased - for what they did to them. What the media did back then will not fly now. Do ya agree?

[@sonyxa1957]

There's a lot of strange behavior in celebrity culture. But one of the worst, in my opinion, is how hard it is to differentiate haters from fans.

[@rustyshackleford3160]

As soon as you are a fan, you will hate anything your celebrity does that doesn't live up to your fan image.

[@aramis5301]

Totally agree... I recently entered the Tom Hiddleston fandom and I'm discovering retrospectively some of the messages left on fan forums back in 2015-2016 (with the whole Hiddleswift debacle). And I'm just mystified when I see how some people who can only be called "haters" (because all they post is ironic/cynical/negative) seem to spend SO MUCH TIME following him and posting mean things about him. I mean... I can get it when you're a fan, you'll obsess over everything and spend way too many hours on forums, etc, but to do that with someone you *hate*? I just don't get it. It seems almost as if that was a sort of perverse way to be a fan.

[@aramis5301]

@@rustyshackleford3160 Ha! I think this is actually very true, in relation to the other message I've just posted here. The way the Internet turned on Tom Hiddleston the minute he started dating Taylor Swift is probably a textbook example of that. I mean... He had a great reputation and she had a terrible one, and I'm just puzzled by the fact that people who claimed to be "fans" of his would mistrust his judgment so much. I mean... if someone I admire and respect, and who seems to be a nice and intelligent person, starts dating a celeb I don't like, my first reaction would be: "Well, maybe I need to reconsider my opinion of her?" or simply... * gasp *... "He is allowed to date whoever he wants". But no, that's not how it works today on the Internet.

[@B88-h6n]

that's because haters are your biggest fans!

[@florencerichardson6352]

I think there’s a whole pandemic of more narcissistic personalities I was reading a comment that was saying how Beyoncé was saying how it used to just be about a person making music and then people enjoying the sound and voice I think aswell now there are billions and billions of people for every 10 weirdos there used to be there’s now 50

[@ashwhyy]

the joel mchale interview is so disgusting. no male artist is ever, ever talked about in such demeaning and cruel ways. and the video of Britney saying "I'm human just like you" and paparazzi following her wherever she goes, I can't BEGIN to imagine the mental health tolls that takes on a person.

[@PlantBasedBride]

I was thinking the same thing. Just horrendously cruel behaviour.

[@HeyRae]

I was shocked and disgusted

[@ashwhyy]

@rose petal I see where you’re coming from, but it’s really not comparable. Britney was picked apart and unjustly criticized for her looks, weight, music, and behavior at an unprecedented rate exclusively because she is a woman that stopped fitting what the public expected from her. Unlike michael jackson, she did not have criminal allegations or any other problematic claims against her. She was abused in mass by the public without any remorse because she is a successful, outspoken, and confident woman, plain and simple.

[@HeyRae]

@@ashwhyy Well, even before the allegations people still made fun of the way he looked because of his skin condition and his plastic surgery. It’s actually very comparable. Both had controlling, abusive fathers, and were unjustly scrutinized for things that didn’t matter or weren’t our business (aka looks, weight, etc). I heard the black to white jokes all the time and how he looked like a woman. This happened before the allegations and just because he allegedly did bad things, doesn’t mean he deserved the hate for his skin and looks. It’s more justifiable to hate him for the actual bad things he did and to make fun of his looks just because he’s problematic is problematic within itself. I’m not defending him as a person or trying to diminish what he did, but victims aren’t all perfect or good and he clearly was a victim of many things.

[@ashwhyy]

@rose petal absolutely not going to deny the abuse he faced because of his fame & race. it's horrendous and wrong. it's just how rampant, normalized, and flippant hate is against not only britney but all women celebrities that is different to me. So rampant that it appears candidly on a family feud segment, that men in the media can casually laugh over sexist rapid fire jokes, and awards hosts can attack her kids to a giddy audience. Men RARELY experience such demeaning media treatment. They both experience abuse, undoubtedly, but the abuse is different because Britney is a woman.

[@ErynnSchwellinger]

I'm pretty sure no one actually expects celebrities to 'make it through'. People seem gleeful when celebrities fall apart - or better, they get to pull them down.

[@SavedByGrace_CitizenEmperorユウ]

Exactly. Most of them won't even last that long. Celebrities are like a train accident waiting to happen. Since there are many people behind a celebrity popstar pulling the strings, they don't seem to worry much about negative effects to their product as long as their is enough media attention and enough money coming in.

[@ErynnSchwellinger]

@person person I suspect you are correct.

[@roboky101]

I feel like most people both admire and envy celebs at the same time. That envy is them wanting a celeb to fail. B/c no matter how human their struggles are, most people see celebrities as so rich that they'll be ok regardless of the situation. That's one reason of why people can be so merciless to them.

[@Sleipnirseight]

It's absolutely unhinged to think you have a connection with a celebrity, or that they owe you absolutely anything. So many entertainers and media are destroyed by their own fandoms. It's absurd

[@wintermonroe2894]

💯💯

[@713smilie]

That's what's going on right now with Britney. Fans supporting new music and not the woman who wants to escape the music industry

[@karlc2869]

@@713smilie If I were Britney, I would be moving abroad like Tina Turner and LiLo did.

[@kennedycallaway8516]

Something I noticed is how all of the people you talked about were women. I think fans and critics alike are naturally inclined to expect more from them and they face a higher level of scrutiny

[@unhoely7925]

Women are held to a higher standard even if they aren't a celebrity. Women in general are expected to be kind, sweet, delicate and should always put their needs before others. If you just voice your opinion once, you are a bitch and that's why it's so hard for some women to voice when they are uncomfortable or even to say no in fear of being a buzz kill

[@lainiwakura1776]

@@unhoely7925 Not necessarily. If you voice your opinion in a certain way, that happens to everyone. Women are inherently more social and are less likely to try to offend people and are more likely to pick up on social cues.

[@unhoely7925]

@@lainiwakura1776 but think about it. Why do we try so hard not to offend? Yes it's okay to be respectful and a decent human being but when a situation arises where we are uncomfortable or in danger having that mindset of being mindful of other people's feelings is toxic. It's something that's been instilled in us since birth and that can be used against us. Being too kind can lead to one being walked all over. Have you noticed, especially in the dating realm, if a women says, "I want to date a guy with a car who makes just as much as me" suddenly you are a gold digger, you have high standards. In the black community black men dating outside of their race is okay but when black women do it you get so much hate, you're called ugly, a traitor and so many other misogynistic terms. Just look at how people treat Serena William's VS any other black NBA player married to someone who isn't. Being a woman puts you under a microscopic lens no matter what you do. Another example is if a women is being catcalled and just walks past the person cat calling her, that man will then start saying rude things like "you weren't even that pretty, you are such a bitch" and in some situations if that man goes too far and assaults that woman you will get a myriad of comments saying that "she should've greeted him", "she was also being rude". By labelling women as more kind and less mindful it then gives some evil people the right to cross the line and use this kindness and mindfulness against us.

[@unhoely7925]

@@lainiwakura1776 basically what I'm saying is that by saying "women are inherently this" one can already have this expectation of a women without even realising it and once a women strays away from that expectation it then becomes a problem because "that's not how women are". This same idea has stopped women from voicing their valid concerns and opinions in fear of being labelled a Karen.

[@unhoely7925]

@Robby Dey I'm a bit confused 😅 how does this connect to how people expect kindness from women? I'm not bashing you or anything, I'm just asking. If it's expecting kindness in a marriage then isn't that completely different? You are supposed to marry a best friend. Someone you can connect to.

[@s.g.7572]

All that "concern" that people had for Ashley just sounded like some random man in a park who tells you to smile more.

[@AlicedeTerre]

same energy

[@os2841]

Actually had an old man say that to me at a grocery store once. Like wtf. I exist just so that you can look at me smile? boomers are so dumb

[@aa-ot3cg]

That reminds me of a Russian proverb I like, it goes something like "smiling for no reason is the sign of an empty head"

[@richardvilla2303]

@@aa-ot3cg It's interesting that that isn't a relatable aphorism in the US. Instead smiling for no reason usually means either you are happy for undisclosed reasons or you are pretending to be happy for politeness or to sell people on something. It's a double edged sword, one in conflict with authenticity or honesty, but the other association supports our cultural desire of privacy

[@notwerkinginthishouse8634]

@@os2841 once when i worked for a day at the bakery , there was one man who said " how beautiful workers u have there" which i find it incredibly strange

[@CraftyArts]

There's nothing like a bunch of strangers who likely have their own hidden skeletons try to moral grandstand against you because you shaved your head.

[@loverrlee]

I never understood it. So she changed her hairstyle? So what? I’ve changed my hair more times than I can count. If anything people should have been concerned, “Are you okay? Do you need someone to talk to?” Or say “Hey if you like your hair this way then I’m happy if you’re happy.” But the way people vilified her for daring to defy their expectations of who she is has always baffled me. Leave Britney alone.

[@BratzRockAngels]

@@loverrlee Like literally, the way people react to celebrities having breakdowns is ridiculous, they ridicule them, they don't give the time to understand that they could be going through something since they are also human. Then when celebrities come out with how they were abused, then suddenly it's "Oh I'm so sorry that happened to you, we are here for you and love you so much" as if they weren't mocking them before.

[@karlc2869]

@@BratzRockAngels Not all celebs mess up in Hollywood, PrincessPonyLover. There are some who stayed okay, like Hilary Duff. BTW I do agree that the media should tone down their bullying of celebs in crisis. I mean, drug/booze addiction and mental illness are no joke. Period. Thanks, girl.

[@michaeladkins6]

That point for me was made when Britney was interviewed by Matt Lauer.

[@CraftyArts]

@@karlc2869 when one person follows a celebrity around, it's stalking. When a crowd follows them around, its paparazzi.

[@ellisnow4007]

"condescending animosity disguised as concern" The world has this to such an intolerable degree right now. something to do with internet culture, accessibility to people while being allowed a disassociation from the ability to humanise them Loved this video, itll defintely stick around on my mind for a bit with its various themes. I'm a huge fan of the general production of this video as well as its nuanced exploration of this topic, I'll be looking for more

[@karlc2869]

Yep.

[@JB-bq2qj]

Plumber: Ok, we're all set. Pipes are fixed. Customer: You would be nothing without me

[@OpqHMg]

😂😂😂

[@daniela8282]

This !! The entitlement is ABSURD

[@StanleyDo]

The “What did Britney lose?” question on Family Feud is just cringe.

[@ElizabethRegal1]

I’ve been an actress, singer, and award winning producer in Hollywood for 20 years now and I can say so much about this. I cannot elaborate how much mind control, abuse, and ego this industry possesses. Even acting classes can be highly abusive as we are inherently taught to disassociate from our true self to become someone else. Being taught to cry on demand, laugh on demand has a certain destructive dichotomy as we are going through a type of “dog obedience.” Not to mention the scams and many services extracting money from poor starving actors. This golden Monarch has ruled for generations as the movie Coming to America eludes to this. McDowells in that movie symbolizes the golden arch, the golden of control coming upon America as it always has. Anyway… I managed to overcome a great deal of this over years and have been interviewed over and over about these issues. There is multiple reasons why some make it I will not reveal on here. Thank you for this video. Let the truth me told! 🙏

[@karlc2869]

Yep. I mean, Debbie Gibson said that Hollywood will work you to death. However, you should realize that not all celebs mess up and get abused. Some stayed successful, like Kate Winslet. BTW I also like retro music. Thanks, girl. #NOTALLCELEBSMESSUP

[@Rahnstahp]

Fibs

[@princesswhippet]

But yet you stay in the biz, what does that say about your character?

[@PrettyPennyTV]

I call bullshit. If you were really who you say, you wouldn't posting anonymously here. You'd either be on your own platform, or offline to protect yourself.

[@DLF-xq9lq]

Spears was never fat. No, she wasn't cut like she had been as a teenager but she still looked good. The number of people who made fun of her weight like she'd become obese is disgusting. By the way, she wouldn't have deserved mockery even if she had been obese but the fact is, she was still an average weight. For some weird reason, the media seemed to enjoy her crying just like they seemed to enjoy her breakdown.

[@MySkinnydip]

I think the outfit was wrong. She was thin and fit. Tone legs and abs,nice butt her hair looked good.

[@ruchikasamudrala6489]

media thrives on celebs breaking down

[@baby-rb3tw]

@The last Resort no ppl were also mad bc thats how eating disorders and body dysmorphia starts

[@_gremlinboy]

@The last Resort u should be mad about the people who are fat shaming people while children die; I don't understand why you're criticizing the people who are saying that this is wrong.

[@michellemontas5756]

@The last Resort okay let’s not. body shaming is still a big issue, regardless of whether or not people are dying. people are fighting for justice in both cases. a broken thumb and a broken back both hurt, even if one is “worse”

[@MeningitisAAA]

Remember: Hollywood is the villian in everyone's story, even its own.

[@fredshols1856]

Because of the demons who run it.

[@MeningitisAAA]

@@fredshols1856 You know I actually feel sad for the all actors and the actresses in Hollywood. Their only job, their one and only contribution to our society are to look pretty on the camera and smile and that's a pretty sad life. Forget the money, forget the awards. At least we, as second-class citizens have the right(mostly) to express our opinions. When actors even attempt to give their political opinions, they get slammed for it. Now, I know celebs may try to slam their agendas down our throats, but they are only doing that cause the media moguls pressure them to do it. And pressure from the fans. I always say that the two biggest villains are Hollywood and Society as a whole. We choose who we find as attractive or worthy of living(or just attractive in certain aspects), and those who don't and that is shameful on our part!

[@sonicthehedgegod]

good, now expand that. what’s the “hollywood” of the rest of the world?

[@chaimomma9198]

Yep ☄️

[@vivvy_0]

@@fredshols1856 and people who buy shit mindlessly

[@RoXxIE2244]

The part where they where ripping Britney to shreds on the game show really reminded me how everyone used to refer to her so freely as a mess and use her as the butt of their jokes. So sad how normalized that was and we grew up on it, I'm glad our generation is questioning this culture, cause the adults that raised us didn't.

[@brittanydumoulinful]

Glad to say not all of us were that way..lots of us thought it was disgusting. And had conversations abt mental health and the issue of her conservatership.. even then was not cool!! Unfortunately media has led everyone to believe many of us thought this way then. I can honestly tell you many many people were concerned disgusted with media and paparazzi even then. Lots of us younger adults then were anti establishment "alternative" Media representation of celebs..child celebs.. parents taking their famous kids money..it was all talked abt in the 90's. the phenomenon of people thinking the celebrity as owing us something. It wasn't something my gen thought was cool!!

[@brittanydumoulinful]

@Yummy Luvyes!..still needs improvement.. so true!! Thanks for the comment

And look at the guy saying these things as if he should talk

[@diannagardner7212]

rc As an older adult I can say that I never heard a conversation from adults about Brittney one way or the other. Weve got bills and shit to worry about. It is your generation who personalize themselves with celebrities. Who follow these people and their lives like they know them. your generation should question this culture because it is yours.

[@jadevt1939]

I mean cancel culture is a new problem though that people weren't questioning

[@elishagreymusic5006]

It's interesting to see Ashley's fan's "critique" of her work... especially since I know now that Ashley is a film student. Something you learn in critiques in art school is to critique someone's work for what it IS not rather what you wish the work would be, which is just a projection. If the fan doesn't like the new style of Ashley they could simply just go back and watch the old videos of what they did like, but expecting her (as a person) or her work (separate from her a person entirely) not to change or evolve is really unrealistic. Luckily something else she (Ashley) hopefully learned in art school is you can take and leave critique at your own discretion. It is impossible to implement every single critique of you and is not necessarily the best thing for the work.

[@enfleuri]

It's interesting how fame becomes abuse usually for women celebrities, while the society makes it a lot easier for men not to be held up to such a high standard. Even the examples that you showed about how fame can be used as a power tool, were men, while the "trainwreck" examples are mostly women. I also think that male celebrities are not expected to show the same level of intimacy as women, but I may be wrong.

[@Lazamattaz]

I think you're right, it's no coincidence that all mentioned in the video have been women - and I'm sure there must be a similar example with a male celebrity somewhere, but I can't think of one on the level of Britney at all

[@11Hand1e11]

@@Lazamattaz I know this is a spicy take but honestly I feel like a part of this stems from the fact that femmes are more often than not the ones doing the antagonizing, or (for eg in Britneys case) the ones paying for the media that perpetuates this kind of behaviour

[@apal4u]

I was just thinking this! In early 00s pap saturated era, I don’t remember there being so much interest or opinion about a male celebrity’s whereabouts / actions

[@LemonCoutureBunny]

@@11Hand1e11 Are they though? If we really look at the media outlets that covered and continue to cover female celebrities in this manner, it seems like a lot of them are geared more towards the general public, not necessarily femme specific parts of media. Spicy countertake, but I think the stereotype of "women competing with each other"/"women feeling threatened by each other" influences your opinion that it's femmes that mainly perpetuate this focus on other femmes. I think that it has more to do with our society weaponizing celebrity culture to further solidify patriarchal beliefs vs women oppressing other women, but that's just my personal opinion. I would love to hear more of your thoughts on this though

[@emilycaballero6052]

I remember a while back, Brian David Gilbert had to straight up tell his fans to stop trying to control what he does with his appearance. I think this sort of thing is more common with female celebrities, but it can happen with males too.

[@TheLeah2344]

When Britney had a mental breakdown in 2007, I thought she was crazy because I was only a kid then but now I understand why especially since I had my own mental breakdown as an adult from past trauma. Unfortunately we failed Britney Spears, Lindsey Lohan, Amanda Bynes, and every single child actor.

[@cattykno2000]

That's the problem had some of us not went through the stigma mental health or heard about the conservatorship we would be making shitty jokes and laughing at poor britney . Whose to blame. We have failed every female in the industry remarkably we mustn't let racial gender bias misogyny and sexism control our minds and the society.

[@karlc2869]

The media should tone down it's bullying of celebs, girl.

[@page8301]

I am pretty sure that Hollywood and the likes of Harvey Weinstein have a far bigger impact overall. Though public attitide and behaviour towards these entertainers and other public figures certainly increase the toxicity and the resulting dreadful consequences.

[@karlc2869]

@@page8301 Dan Schneider too. BTW some child stars of yesteryear stayed clean, like Jason Bateman.

[@satee7678]

@@karlc2869 the general public bullies celebs way more than the media does

[@gremlita]

that intro!! 👏 👏 👏 can't wait to go IN on this video

[@octopusmime]

well done!!!! this is cutting edge content.

[@notwerkinginthishouse8634]

I adore your yt channel!

[@wgebbia]

I've heard that one of the reasons Brittany shaved her head was that people messing with her hair was a significant indignity for her. In other words, it wasn't random that she chose to seize control by taking that hair away.

[@karlc2869]

She is telling the press to leave her alone. BTW Woods, it's time to move on from Britney's dark past. As Norm Van Lier once said: You keep living in the past, you're not gonna go forward. Thanks, dude. Britney 4 life, dude.

[@silvergust]

She actually said something related to it in her "For The Record" documentary (which WAS filmed when her cship first started, but I still trust her word on it). She highlighted in one of the clips that people shave their heads all the time, and it's not automatically related to being "off their rocker."

[@karlc2869]

I subbed, Woods.

[@karlc2869]

@@silvergust IKR. I mean, look at Sinead O'Connor and Persis Khambatta (of Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979)), they shaved their heads and are praised for it. BTW the media should say sorry to Britney, LiLo, Paris, Amanda Bynes, Nicole Richie, the Olsen twins, Megan Fox, Winona Ryder, Shannen Doherty, Courtney Love, Jodie Sweetin, Mischa Barton, Tonya Harding, Monica Lewinsky, etc. right now. What the press did to them back then will never fly today.

[@lkf8799]

There were several theories. One was that they could use her hair to track drug use (weed was illegal at the time) and she was in a custody battle so she might have been removing evidence. Her hair was probably heavily damaged from bleaching - but a pixie cut would've probably sufficed if that's the case. I've always wanted to cut/change my hair after emotional trauma. It's like I want the inner change to be reflected on the outside.

[@DoraWinifred]

Its not a coincidence that 3 out of the 4 examples have DISNEY roots

[@SavedByGrace_CitizenEmperorユウ]

Other companies are doing that as well. They take a talented, good looking and naive person, create a public image for it including the style of music and the videos and then they push this person out for fans and publicity to devour. Simply for mindless entertainment they will endanger the mental health of that person who doesn't have much of a clue what being in the public will do to your life and health. Because fame is fun and money and fans and stuff. LOL. Since there is no possible way to control how much fame is too much to handle, this poor soul will have to deal with way too much attention sooner or later and will eventually have a break down. But don't worry: Those in control will make a lot of money while working in the shadows far away from all the noise and public terror.

[@maineman5757]

Disney is evil.

[@raam726]

WELCOME TO THESE KNEE!!!!

[@tallybarnie5453]

I mean it’s not necessarily a Disney thing but it’s a “being forced to please the public as a child before your brain is able to handle it” kinda way

[@graveraider1029]

Disney is also run by p3dos and Walt Disney supported Nazis

[@Ayesha-ps5ze]

The way her "fans" treated Best dressed was fucked up but it really got me thinking about how we view celebrities "mistakes." They aren't even human anymore. If half the "mistakes" celebrities made were done by an acquaintance you would make a simple comment, even support them or help them understand, yet the public just loves to rip these ppl apart so incongruously to the supposed problem. Do you guys realize this is someone's mental health you're destroying?!?!

[@lexipeun593]

i know right some people forget that its not a show where they can just nitpick the plot and writing.

[@Ayesha-ps5ze]

And the way they thought they were helping her smh all she did is give her honest feelings (no matter if you think they are "wrong" or she did the wrong thing) and y'all tore her apart for it. Imagine her ever opening up on her platform again

[@Ayesha-ps5ze]

@@nala3055 a few months ago, Ashley posted a video basically talking about her feelings about quarantine. It's best you watch it yourself, but basically she said she wasn't feeling satisfied in NYC and she felt frustrated (W masks and quarantine) to the point of wanting to take her mask off and cough on someone. Those are the main points. Overwhelming amount of ppl basically said she needed psychological help or that they were longtime fans, but thought she was not funny/trying too hard, basically acting as if because they watched her videos that they can psychoanalyize and stage an intervention and rip her apart for an insensitive comment. Again I urge you to watch the video and read the comments yourself. It's been awhile since I've watched it, but the way ppl were talking in the comments has stuck with me. Edit: she said she wanted a stranger to cough on HER. Sorry for misquoting her!

[@Ayesha-ps5ze]

@@user-jy9rq8nj7q not surprised. I was disappointed in her too. It was a stupid insensitive comment. I just don't think it warrented the kind of hate she got in the comments. It went beyond genuine criticism and just felt like hate. That's just how I saw it. Ig I always want ppl to remember (and remind myself) there is a person there who reads your comments.

[@Andreabay90]

lol? you want to begin thinking rationally and treating celebrities well? Why? the whole point of being a celebrity is so morons can hate and love them. where do you think their money comes from?

[@OtherBlueFae]

“Fame is abuse” has been rattling around in my brain since Sarah said it on that episode of YWA. So happy to hear I’m not the only one!

[@SaraSmilesandCreates]

This is so true. Fame is a form of trauma. It freezes that person at that age.

[@coren8440]

it blows my mind how countless celebrities and artists will always talk about how corrupt and terrifying the music industry is, yet thousands of people are always trying to enter it still

[@pratikshayadav9279]

@G R so true

[@maverickbull1909]

They’re rich. What’s not to understand. Better to be rich and miserable than poor and miserable.

[@MeHoyMinoy-cv3ps]

Yeah and these same celebs choose to stay in the industry and spotlight

[@carlaijahlee5006]

H P true But You can’t just leave the spotlight.That’s why celebs use the term “it’s this or nothing”because you don’t get Not famous completely in most cases.They will never be able to do anything normal ever.

[@carlaijahlee5006]

Because unfortunately if you have a strong passion to be a actor or model or musician,you have to.Some people actually love the art and refuse to do anything else/don’t want to do anything else.So,it’s either suck it up and do what you love or be miserable because you felt like you missed your opportunity and passion

[@pattytracey3131]

The worst part about all of this is that her father has used her and her sister like ATM’s. He is a truly evil man.

[@jasmineparker6960]

Very evil

[@lainiwakura1776]

Omg, don't even get into Jamie Lynn, there are rumors that Dan Schneider is the father of her first kid.

[@Ashley-kp6ob]

Also, I think Cardi B and Whitney Houston are two different sides of the same coin when it comes to authenticity and intimacy. The freedom that Cardi B is allowed by her fans to make mistakes is something 80s Whitney could have only dreamed of. Still, both of them face/faced huge invasions of privacy(pun intended) in their lives by fans and media.

[@axeslinger94]

Antiblackness and misogynoir play a hand in that difference of perception between them IMO. Also, the standards in what Millennials and Gen Zs allow to be shared on social media in an internet age where every gaffe, mental breakdown, sexy photo, and tweet are easily accessible has changed things greatly, especially when compared to The Boomers and Gen Xs who only knew what was told to them through a controlled, puritanical lens through the grapevine. There has been an almost complete 180 made since Whitney's time in this way. It's not a battle of generations per se but while times have changed, antiblackness and misogynoir in the contexts I just mentioned have pretty much stayed the same. Just my onion, don't come for me!

[@osmanyousif7849]

Mistakes? Cardi literally brags about drugging and robbing men. And she was so confident when she spoke about it.

[@notwerkinginthishouse8634]

@@axeslinger94 what about Nicki Minaj and Amy Whinehouse? Ik Amy wasnt black but she had a drug problem, idk much but it makes me so sad

[@wamaitha6022]

What happened to Britney is the true definition of evil.

[@karlc2869]

And also Lindsay Lohan, Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, the Olsen twins, Amanda Bynes, Paris Hilton, Robert Downey Jr., etc.

[@aerietheeromantic]

It’s insane to me that because these people have money and fame, it then becomes okay to bully and publicly humiliate them. Abuse towards celebrities is acceptable because the added financial and social benefits of celebrity is believed to make up for the abuse. Sometimes even warrant it. It’s sick. I hate how cruel we are to each other. I hate how quick we are to dehumanize. Anyway, excellent video! It was so well done and thoughtful!

[@felixoupopote]

I think their relative lack of talent (compared to the actual artists I know, the good ones anyway) makes them a perfect sounding board for the extreme wealth inequality in the us--especially when so much wealth gets shoveled toward people most of us consider useless and merely fortunate, like "bankers" (whom exactly does that mean? So vague).

[@notwerkinginthishouse8634]

@@felixoupopote wait what

[@zakai-kaz]

Blame capitalism

[@sierra3302]

Or: “well it’s what they signed for when they became famous!!!” Like that shit is so stupid

[@monkiram]

I just passed a comment with 5 likes saying "my thing is, is that these celebrities have no problem reaping all the rewards from fame and money yet only vocalize the hardships of it. These people live their lives drowned in the privilege their fame gets them and have no problem showing it to the world on social media, yet when things are tough, there is no mention of how that privilege gives them the advantage to cope and deal with said issues." Like I don't understand. People think they deserve abuse because have success? Do we think that we are the arbiters of fairness in society and have to make sure that nobody gets too many good things so we have to abuse them to compensate for the other privileges in their life? Why does somebody's success bother people so much? And why do we think that money solves mental health issues? Like sure, it'll help them pay for a therapist but as anybody with a mental illness knows, therapy, like money, isn't a perfect magical fix for all of life's problems.

[@_letstartariot]

After watching this, I am gonna go out of my way to not fuel this type of invasion of privacy for anyone. It’s not ok, I feel bad for that fashion influencer. That toxic crap on her sub made my jaw drop.

[@duasyed6116]

Exactly.

[@powerpufffan]

And people still constantly demand of her to come back to KZbin. I don’t understand how they can feel so entitled to her life.

[@jaY-zs4jk]

I know

[@msi8311]

It is part of the deal people make to obtain fame, unfortunately. Being rich is one thing, being well known is another. The more people know you, the more people can stick their noses in your life. This is why some people would never choose to put their lives out for the public to consume; because privacy is priceless and the cost of fame is typically lack of privacy, due to the definition of fame which is people knowing you.

[@nataliaalvarado5997]

also the instagram comment saying "can you please make clear if you are coming on youtube again or not?" they really seem to think they own her

[@zucchinigreen]

"Because she's on a public platform, they want her to own up to every mistake she's ever made in her life". Boy, does Lindsay Ellis have a video for you!

[@urmisharma8360]

Ooh wait she uploaded a video ?

[@slm613]

@@urmisharma8360 yeah apparently she got canceled on twitter. the video is incredible. it's so fucking sad, but it's so good and makes a lot of good points

[@urmisharma8360]

@@slm613 ooh thanks :) I honestly feel so lucky finding you tubers like this I feel super smart after watching their videos haha

[@zucchinigreen]

@@urmisharma8360 Yup, it's a long one that had me sad that she had to resurrect her trauma to explain herself. I'm glad she's given up on pleasing the masses and is just focusing on her high quality work. As much as I love it especially black Twitter, Twitter is really a toxic platform.

[@lethe.archive]

to anyone who is going to watch it based off this comment please note it is an incredibly taxing video to watch. I recommend it but I know i personally can’t watch it more than once. contrapoints also made a great video along the same lines that i find wasn’t as emotionally difficult to sit through. they’re both great videos by great creators!

[@loverrlee]

Wow that Family Feud round was hard to watch. That’s such a sad cruel thing to put on National TV. Imagine if that was about you. Nobody should be shamed like that, especially when her only “crimes” were shopping at Walmart, kissing her husband and shaving her head, and other innocent things. I always thought everyone was way too hard on Britney. I have always loved her and her music and I’m the girl still quoting, “Leave Britney alone! She’s doesn’t deserve it!” Thanks for making this video. 💗

[@karlc2869]

Don't forget when she got placed in conservatorship from 2008 to 2021. BTW women now shaved their heads and are praised for it. Take Demi Lovato and Doja Cat for example. However, women shaved their heads before, like the late Persis Khambatta, who played Ilia in 1979's Star Trek: The Motion Picture. P.S. Kristin Bjorklund, the producer of Family Feud who was behind that Britney question, died last year and is now rotting in hell. Talk about karma. John O'Hurley should say sorry to Britney now. Period.

[@silence3030]

the thing about ashley was so scary and obsessive. i felt suffocated for her.

[@sarayu9244]

i see myself so much in her and the sort of nitpicking is the thing i do to myself. i can't imagine if on top of me other people were saying the same things

[@fionaapplestan6983]

Literally who the hell thought that was okay

[@tunabarrett7384]

I'd argue that there is probably a personality difference between Miley and Selena anyway, and being more reserved and private doesn't inherently mean that Selena isn't as "authentic/relatable" as Miley to her audience. I understand and agree with the overall point but it seems like comparing an introvert to an extrovert.

[@JJ-me3oj]

Yessss

[@mcguffers]

Exactly. Selena is more relatable to me bc that's how I am. Like when they showed Hilary Duff and Dakota Johnson doing their Architectural Digest tour, I related to both of their sense of serenity and peace. Some of us just feel more comfortable when we have a private side that only our close friends see.

[@DarkCelestialConsciousness]

@@mcguffers yea I'm more relating to Miley except people from when I was little would pretend I'm like Serena, shy.

[@faIIenfruit]

that really bothered me. their analysis could be right but there's a possibility Selena is just like that and not faking it for any reason

[@SeanMichaelNorris]

Yeah, that section was a little off putting... implying that someone with bipolar disorder manufactures restraint, or somehow calculates not being on Instagram when it is most clearly a mental health issue. Also, after watching this channel's video on Method Acting, its a bit surprising there is nothing mentioned about Selena being a person of color, mixed/passing or not, who likely can't afford to take certain chances that someone white, second generation industry, and well off with a lot of connections can...although maybe that is moving beyond the scope of the subject matter. Really appreciate the videos, including this one, a really great framing on treatment none of these people deserve/d, but I have to say that section was kind of irksome at times.

[@not_them]

Seeing how Britney has been treated makes me feel sick. That kind of pressure must be an absolute nightmare

[@shronazam276]

Now imagine what Michael Jackson felt Being that famous from very young age

[@animatale384]

"The celebrities need their audience to survive. So the justification quickly becomes, That sounds exactly like how a parent validates their ownership over their child because they bring them to the world. It also reminds me of a manipulator who threaten their victim by saying they're nothing without the manipulator, or how nobody will love them except the manipulator. Any attempt to stand up for yourself will be seen as insolence, arrogance, and defiance. They feel entitled because they have 'ownership'. It goes along with how fans will attempt to ruin the celebrity lives when they do try to stand up for themselves. "I brought you to this world, I can take you out"Manipulators attempt to isolate you, makes you suffer, so you'll come back to them.

[@vis8259]

Literally every single person who listens to You're Wrong About is hot

[@TheHaloguy12100]

I would take a bullet for that gd show

[@lemonandsugarcrepes6952]

simply the best podcast

[@giocarrilo3259]

I live for sarah’s “mmm”’s

[@cultucreadora5970]

@@giocarrilo3259 i live for her random comments - they are always the best

[@CorrieHill]

I squealed like a school girl when I heard Mike and Sarah.

[@reubenli1234]

Britney grew up and took one for the team. She was used badly by the entertainment industry and nowadays child stars are more aware of the danger of fame and public criticism. We love and appreciate her for her beautiful soul.

[@karlc2869]

Agreed. However, not all child stars crash. Get your facts straight. BTW no offense but Britney OWNS Lana Del Rey. Thanks, dude. Britney 4 life, dude. #BRITNEY4LIFE

[@karlc2869]

@abbied What I mean is that Britney is still better than LDR. LDR is also talented.

[@satine2342]

I hate it so much when people say celebrities are “privileged” so we don’t have to care about them. Yes, they have money and influence, but they also can have really bad mental health and they’re not in a position to be able to handle it because of privacy reasons. I literally had an online discussion and someone LITERALLY said, “Well celebrities can learn to handle their own mental health. It’s called going to an island.” Like how stupid do you have to be? Edit: And even if we mean well, it’s best not to overly talk about celebrities’ issues. As long as they’re too far in the spotlight, they can’t heal, even if the majority of the talk about them is supportive.

[@monkiram]

This is pretty much the only comment section that isn't collectively agreeing that we don't need to care about celebrity mental health. I feel like anytime I address a KZbin comment on any other video that is abusive towards a celebrity and try to remind the commenter that they are humans too who can be hurt by what we say, I always get responses saying "well they shouldn't have put themselves in this situation if they didn't want the scrutiny" or something along the lines of "they're so rich and famous, do you think they even care about what I say?" I hope that this attitude changes over time. I feel like we have observed the public mental health decline of so many celebrities at the hands of the public and still so many people have trouble feeling empathy for them just because they are privileged in other ways.

[@satine2342]

@Millennial Leftist I totally get what you mean. For example, I definitely think there are some celebrities that start a scandal on purpose for attention and then blame it on the people saying they “fell into a depression.” That is definitely something that really pisses me off. Celebrities have a lot of privilege and money and influence, but no matter what, privacy and mental healthcare needs to be a foundation.

[@monkiram]

@Millennial Leftist You have an admirable level of self-awareness. I think a lot of people probably feel the same but wouldn't admit it

[@lainiwakura1776]

I think the feeling is that they have money, so they can get help or an assistant or whatever if they think it's too much.

[@JESUSLOVESYOU219]

@Millennial Leftist you are very honest to say that, most people wouldn’t. But remember how the heck does fame, money or attention define a person? Do you know that the most insecure people are actually the ones with the most attention? Jim Carey said it best “I wish everyone could become famous so they can truly see that fame doesn’t solve anything” You are who you are regardless of fame, money or attention. Think about how you would view them if they died, would you still hate them? Or no longer envy them because they aren’t here anymore? Do you believe in God?

[@AnastasiaCooper]

This reminds me of a common misconception I face when I tell people I would love to be an actress. I do not want to be famous. I want to work on stages large enough to pay for a one or two room apartment. I want to use my mind and body to tell stories. Acting is what I want to do as a profession. Not being famous.

[@Dancestar1981]

I’m Neurodiverse and in exactly the same position I want to do it for the satisfaction of the work and the work alone. Always wanted to do it I’m 41 and in Australia

[@tulipchic34]

Exactly. There are more not famous people then famous. People who earn a living doing what they live yet live normal lives

[@AD-eg9cw]

I'm a very, very new actor (only low-budget films so far) and this is very true and very annoying. I act because it's fun and possibly highly profitable, but I would literally pay money to be invisible and not be famous while doing so. Unfortunately, I think I may have no choice but to allow a little bit of fame until I get better roles. It will suck, but it will be worth it for the $$$, to be honest. Plus, it helps that I couldn't care less what people think of me, so I think I'll be fine.

[@fashionbyarpita9215]

I am disgusted at the fact that people were asked questions about britney's personal life in a TV show

[@karlc2869]

Agreed. I mean, Ryan Murphy, the Family Feud creators, Joel McHale, Matt Lauer, Diane Sawyer and Harvey Levin owe Britney an apology.

[@karlc2869]

@abbied Sarah Silverman apologized to Britney last year. kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4icamaeiZJ8jZI

[@karlc2869]

@abbied BTW the media should also apologize to Lindsay Lohan, Nicole Richie, Amanda Bynes, Demi Lovato, Miley Cyrus, Kesha, Mischa Barton, Paris Hilton, Tonya Harding, Monica Lewinsky and the Olsen twins.

[@karlc2869]

@abbied The media still kicked them tho.

[@karlc2869]

@abbied Gee thanks.

[@myettechase]

I am once again quoting Brian David Gilbert, in his most succinct refutation of parasocial ownership: “I’m not your friend, and you have no say over what I do with my body.”

[@Fromtheforgottengardens]

Never treat anyone more than or less than a human. Personal motto.

[@sierra750]

I remember just how big of a deal Britney shaving her head was. Even I, as a little kid, repeated jokes about it I heard from adults and honestly it's so strange how many people cared SO much about one woman's hair...

[@GotoMaki4Micah]

its not the hair. people need someone to look down a upon. they love to see someone in pain if they are in pain. those people telling those jokes, where they happy people, or miserable, looked down upon by others and maybe lacked opportunities in their own life?

[@1282louise]

Shaving your head is common for victims of sexual abuse. Subconciously try to get rid of trauma with shaving their head.

[@bloodorangemoon]

I always though South Park really nailed it with their Britney human sacrifice episode. Pretty much what happens.

[@humwishdom]

They did the same thing to Ann Nichole. I think that especially for women it's like glorified stalking on a nation and global level. I noticed that actors in other countries are not as publicised. Thier actors, not role models in every aspect of life. I feel so bad for Brittany Spears and Ann Nichole Smith. I think this was cruel patriarchy thinking that sexualized women is an excuse for men and stalkers to torment and socially murder women. Since they can't have her physically they socially murder women. Interogating women's sexuality, who they have sex with or if they are a virgin is just a form of disempowering them. Brittany Spears is a female empowered matriarchy the supported her family, parents, and husband. Because the roles were reversed in patriarchy, she was socially murdered and it's a miracle that she is alive. Extreme patriarchy is toxic to women who carry sexual and social power.

[@lainiwakura1776]

@@humwishdom What the hell? Women are part of the industry too and were just as guilty in tearing her down as the men. Stop making this a gendered thing. Anna Nicole Smith was a target because she was in Playboy and married an old man who everyone assumed she married for the money, especially his kids. They thought she was a conniving sl*t, ready to swoop in take her husband's money as soon as he croaked. Who knows if it was true or not, I remember her well enough, but I wasn't even an adult or a very young adult when she died.

[@bloodorangemoon]

@@humwishdom Right on the money. Anyone who doesn't want to see that is either not from the US or BLIND

[@Feefa99]

The Greater good 🧟‍♂️

[@smurfylee]

@@humwishdom That is completely wrong... It's not about males men patriarchy, it's about evil and sick people in charge, women too are a part of the sick evil twisted social programming on the rest of us... Once you are a celebrity, you are turned into a puppet, used and abused to influence the masses. Yeah you get rich but you pay a price..

[@MrTwentington]

Looking back on the footage of Britney in 2007 I have no idea how she survived. I don’t think I could have.

[@Scinasari]

Internet celebrity fan culture is terrifying. I would love to be a video essayist, but I have anxiety about perfectly normal everyday occurrences - and seeing how KZbinrs are treated because they have a large online following is enough to scare me out of it for life. Especially with recent stuff surrounding Contrapoints, Lindsay Ellis, and Sarah Z. Even if you magically manage to say and do everything right, people will just make things up and nobody will fact check before the threats come in. I don't know how you have the courage, but your videos are great, and this is especially brilliant and timely.

[@aramis5301]

I'm the same... I'm considering starting a channel, but this is probably the number 1 reason I still haven't done it. I don't really think my channel would ever get big enough for me to become a target, but... I just don't know how people like Lindsay find the strength to deal with all that vitriol. Honestly, I am constantly blown away by the quality of her content, and at first, I felt like her community was quite healthy and thought "here's a great example of a woman on the Internet who seems to be doing well, maybe simply because her work is so good!" Well... Little did I know! I then discovered that she had been repeatedly subjected to harassment and all sorts of horrible behaviour, and the reason her comment section was healthy was that it was moderated (if I remember correctly). One of the most demoralizing moments in my life....

[@Scinasari]

@@aramis5301 yeah, sometimes it feels like the best case would be having a channel with a small reach. Or having someone take care of ALL of your social media for you... I hope things get better for creators somehow :(

[@AlicedeTerre]

@@Scinasari This really is the doubled edged sword of internet communication isn't it? On one hand we have far more access to creators and can communicate with them directly! On the other hand we have far more access to creators and can communicate with them directly....

[@crowe3627]

Literally what can you expect when you make money out of speaking about your personal life for two hours? The target audience are the lonely people who see those vlogers as their virtual friends and come back to their videos every single week. Obviously, at some point they will delulu themselves into thinking that person owns them. The channels dedicated to bringing something on the table will never get THAT type of abuse from public.

[@Scinasari]

@@crowe3627 I disagree, it doesn't matter how personal or impersonal you are, when you get popular, people hate you. Essayists like Lindsay Ellis, Jenny Nicholson, and Sarah Z barely ever discuss their own lives in videos, but the amount of violent hate and threats they get is unbelievable. They spend dozens of hours researching, writing, filming, and editing each video, and it can all be derailed by people literally faking tweets or accusations that are easily debunked, but no one bothers fact-checking. It's not just lonely people thinking that these creators are their friends. It's angry people thinking these creators are their enemies, and that they have a righteous mission to take them down. Whether it's people who think they go too far, or don't go far enough, or who just don't like their personality, people will find reasons to hate creators and use it to justify any horrible actions we would never excuse between 2 strangers normally. I've always been a super private person, but I love social and media analysis, and I love video. But seeing how the successful people who make video essays doing that professionally are treated, I'd rather stick to my soul-sucking 9-5 job out of pure fear.

[@thomasb.smithjr.8401]

To love someone who cannot love you back is the essence of celebrity worship. ❤

[@thomasb.smithjr.8401]

My first encounter with the para-relationship phenomenon was Nancy Allen's character in the cult film 'I Want To Hold Your Hand' (1978?), a fictional account of The Beatles iconic 1964 Ed Sullivan Show performance. In part to combat a rough family life - and teenage girl hormones - Nancy develops a heavy crush on Paul McCartney. She lucks out and obtains tickets to the show, but by film's end, even though she's just mere feet from The Fab Four's bass player, it gradually dawns on her - in heartbreaking, tear-drenched, pubescent fashion - that she'll never get any closer to him. It's a priceless scene, undoubtedly repeated by countless millions (?) of unrequited souls in similar circumstances too numerous to mention. I suppose, in context, this could be construed as a natural, even innocent form of early celebrity infatuation - as compared to what we have now.

[@fernandao.5001]

I think Ashely's case is very interesting, and the fact that she had to move from her apartment because a dude identified where she lived and started stalking her at her home, further makes the case for your point on how are people with mid size celebrity supposed to cope with the dangers/side effects of celebrity. Excellent video as per ususal

[@spiceupyourafterlife]

People have a hard time accepting that celebrities-whether they’re famous pop stars or internet influencers-are human beings.

[@jambononi]

Super interesting! I never understand how you can get a restraining order on someone for stalking you but, for some reason, ‘freedom of the press’ covers a dozen men with cameras literally harassing you professionally 12 hours a day. It must feel like hell.

[@PoptartParasol]

Huh, good point

[@joejones9520]

it's a tough call because if all paparazzi disappeared from their lives then some of them would not have a career but how does one regulate the amount of pap'zi one needs?

[@XLindsLuvsPinkX]

I really feel bad for Britney. Being an adult now, I can definitely see that this is/was a girl, then woman, who desperately needed help. After everything she’s been through, how, in all honesty, can you figure out who you can ACTUALLY trust? I wouldn’t even be able to trust a psychiatrist. How do you really know if your information won’t be leaked or eavesdropped on? When you’re down SO far, and don’t see anything changing or getting better, why try?

[@karlc2869]

Not only her. Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton, Amanda Bynes, Nicole Richie, Mischa Barton, Tonya Harding, Monica Lewinsky, Demi Lovato and the Olsen twins too.

[@PlantBasedBride]

It’s so interesting to see, from a youtuber’s perspective, how people’s perception of you changes at a disproportionate rate to how your “fame” actually impacts your life.The dichotomy can be hard to resolve. I can’t imagine how much more confusing it is for bigger youtubers and more traditional celebrities! Viewers associate creators with more power and privilege than we actually have based on subscriber count and it can be a bit of a mindf*ck when those expectations intersect. This was an thought-provoking watch!

[@brendaleelydon]

I know, right? See: Lindsay Ellis, for practically a case study in this. This woman has been relentlessly hounded & harassed online for nearly 15 years, treated like she has ANY "real world" power, pull, or prestige, when the reality is that she's just another woman who grew up with (and ON) the internet and then had the AUDACITY to show her face publicly in the course of her work. It's mind boggling the amount of vitriol people have for some woman just trying to exist while talking film theory on KZbin. 😯😮😦😐😶

[@Tyann464]

Since looking into parasocial relationships, I'm telling you that I can never look at Fandoms or fan/celeb relationships the same ever again.😂 It reminds me of basically most of Bo Burnham's comedy. He's been very clear about fandoms, even mentioning to his own fan that they only love the idea of him, not him as a person. People "loving" him is simply a creation of the Bo Burnham they created on their own terms.

[@SavedByGrace_CitizenEmperorユウ]

True. I admit that I like musicians the best as long as they produce the stuff I enjoy. If they stop doing that, I will stop being interested in them and move on. There are exceptions of course and it's not entirely black and white, but that is basically what I feel like it is. True, we love the public image of a person. And they sell themselves to us, so we become addicted to them and buy or watch the stuff they will put out in the future. Thinking about it, it's mind blowing why this is working at all? I'm also looking into celebrity culture and parasocial relationships. Helps me to put a huge distance between me and even my favourite celebrities.

[@WreathStorm]

@@SavedByGrace_CitizenEmperorユウ Same! With every video or article, I've added an additional inch of distance to my already distant relationship with the popular strangers we call celebrities.

[@AJ-cq5pw]

I think Demi Lovato could've been a great addition to this conversation. How she initially built a platform on being vulnerable and open with her fans about her issues after she first went to rehab in 2011 and how that seems to have backfired onto her years later in some ways

[@YPM498]

Truee I don’t think her latest documentary really helped her image as much as she hoped for.

[@thatgirl4652]

Also, she needs to stop beefing with the yogurt shops. I like some of demi's music and I feel sorry for everything she has to go through but it just seems like she can be an asshole to anyone just because she had mental health issues. She has even stopped taking accountability for her actions and she just blames everything on her anxiety while making other people frustrated of her. She needs to educate herself and know better. I know I might upset some people because of this but she always gets away with everything and I think if people don't talk about it she'll keep making the same mistakes.

But she brings a lot of that on herself. Britneys "bad behavior" only included her being herself. She never came after other people or was nasty to anyone

[@hollyk7052]

Eh Demi may have been good to include for an addiction or ED topic (although so could Paris H) but I don’t think her experience is much different than what is already presented in the video. Tbh Miley and Brittany are on extremely similar levels of paparazzi to internet, or child to adult media vitriol. Like these icons dealt w insane public pressure and harassment, beyond just Twitter hate responses to out-of-touch yogurt shop tweets. The last example of bestdressed demonstrates how the para-social power of YT/TikTok/social media is actually stronger than traditional celebs or musicians these days, because criticism comes directly from audiences rather than journalists. P interesting and sad all around.

[@AJ-cq5pw]

@@thatgirl4652 I agree that Demi can be impulsive and often misses the mark on stuff but the yogurt shop situation was highly blown out of proportion. Yes it was dumb, but it wasn't that serious to garner that level of backlash. Demi always takes responsibilities for her actions, I'm not sure what people mean when they say that

[@TheNopeDude]

Let’s not forget that Miley Cyrus was born into a family that is wealthy and is comfortably adjusted into “music royalty” status. She was lucky to create a fan base as a child, which grew up with her and supports her still. However, she hasn’t had to heavily rely on her personal fame/wealth/career to pay bills or support a comfortable lifestyle.There’s gives a great deal of freedom in the enterprise of branching out or taking risks in one’s career.

[@katharineeavan9705]

I will say that she seems very aware of this and has always seemed massively supportive of other people in her position who don't have her privilege or her support network

[@michaelrecycle9838]

I'm old enough to remember the frenzy of the last couple of years of Diana's life. There wasn't a magazine she wasn't on the cover of. She led (legitimate) news broadcasts daily, just by going to the gym or walking across the street. It was madness. There was an escalation to her fame and it reached a level I don't think is ever replicable. And then when she died I felt at least partially some of the grief (which was also an unmatched frenzy) stemmed from guilt - because "we" did this to her. She was a drug and we abused it. I don't think many people who lived through the fame of Diana can look at modern celebrities and A) wish to be them or B) romanticize their position.

[@CamJames]

the only one who comes close is MJ.

[@Dancestar1981]

Princess Diana was the start of the whole problem I was in my second last year of high school when she died

[@elisabetta611]

@@CamJames Maria Callas has them both beaten. As did Marilyn Monroe.

[@SkilletTRO]

@@Dancestar1981 I guess Audrey Hepburn and Marylin Monroe weren't legitimate examples because you weren't high school when it happened? Why do you the problem began in your lifetime?

[@DiscoTimelordASD]

My mother was OBSESSED with Princess Diana and looking back, it was definately unhealthy.

[@theknd]

Jesus, I was a little kid when everything had happened to Britney and now looking back at it while being a young adult I can only say that those people attacking her where either psychopaths or inhumane beings. #FreeBritney

[@pczb2692]

I remember being super confused as a kid, why she wasn't getting some sort of help from others, what with being rich and all. Celebrity culture is batshit insane.

[@Marewig]

A single human can be intelligent. A mass of people pointed towards a target is a mob. It's something we have to keep in mind all the time about any mob, even fans.

[@boopdoop8701]

I don't get the obsession with trying to find "perfect" people. Then throwing your money at them and trying to get to know every detail of their life. Then stalking and harassing them until you can find a flaw. Then trying to wreck their life because they "lied" to you. Maybe they see someone attractive and talented and wish they could have some of that too. Then they try to figure out more about this person so that they can better imagine what it would be like to be that person. But then eventually become overwhelmed with envy. And they need to try to bring that person back down to their level to make their ego feel better. I dunno. It's weird though.

[@indigofeilds]

Insightful

[@crimsonskiss]

Jealousy is a disease of the heart

[@annnaaabel]

What I find interesting is all of these examples - and indeed where the abuse is most acute - are with famous women. It is so frustrating to me how powerful the patriarchy is in applying this pressure to women, yet male celebrities appear to be less scrutinised, or less affected by the scrutiny. While that could also be caused by masculine expectations meaning that they are unable to express their discontent or publicise breakdowns, I also think that the blatant lack of identity crises or breakdowns among famous men indicate the gendered power imbalance.

[@FelisImpurrator]

When it does happen it's often subjected to undue skepticism or swept under the rug, though. How many people rushed to *assume* that Johnny Depp was the abuser without a shred of proof? It's more than likely that such pressures on male celebrities are often - not always, but often - simply present but overlooked or deliberately hidden because "men can't cry" or some nonsense like that. Or because some people confuse statistics for reality and assume they're always the perpetrators and never the victims.

[@jamesmccarthy4777]

Believe me it's more common than you might think. Like when Jim Carrey expressed a few of his views throughout the years both the public and the press slammed him so hard that it's a miracle he even gets have starring roles in the Sonic movies. You can criticize him for his views on vaccines or politics but keep it sober and remember he is still a human and has a right to enjoy what he has and establish his own boundaries. And the same goes for all celebrities.

[@katharineeavan9705]

There are exceptions to the gender divide on this, usually male child stars or black male stars, but I think the difference is largely in the control the people in female stars' immediate circle can/do exert. Britney was driven to breakdown by the public, yes, but she was groomed and pressured into stardom, wasn't allowed to step back when she needed to, wasn't allowed any agency over her own life regardless of public opinion or pressures, exemplified by the conservatorship. Diana was literally groomed to be the 'people's princess' and all but ordered to marry a man she barely knew (even if most accounts have her as head over heels, it's important to bear in mind she was seventeen when it all started), and though towards the later years she did exert some agency, she had to work extremely hard to pull back as much control as she did from the royal family and their various handlers. Meanwhile, we see Miley who has a supportive and experienced support network who have never (to our knowledge) pressured her to perform, to be public, or to conform to a standard of presentation decided by others, and while she's had her rough patches, she overall seems much happier and healthier than most of the people we've seen on the other end of that kind of public scrutiny. The gendered issue, while also lying with the public, I'd say is more down to the systemic power of the wealthy men who run the media, the performing arts industries and even the families these women are born into. If would have to be a very different world for it to have been Robert Downey Jr. who was forced into a conservatorship as a young adult and kept in it for over a decade, or princess Margaret's hypothetical child-groom who was hounded quite literally to death by the press that the royal family has a tacit businiess relationship with.

[@morighani]

men get away with literally everything while women get publicly executed for going to the gym wearing the wrong pants. it’s ridiculous

[@fantasyfiction101]

I just want to hug Britney, just give her a nice long hug and give her good food. I think she really just needs a real friend that won't use her.

[@julienne152]

This video is so important. With Lindsey Ellis's video on a similar topic coming out today, I'm really hopeful that more people will start becoming aware of how out of line it is to harass people just because they're a public figure, and maybe we can finally start deconstructing toxic celebrity culture.

[@starpasta]

Omg, i literally just watched Lindsey's video today before watching this one. Such good timing!

[@sonorasgirl]

Seriously, hers and Contrapoints both made me think pretty hard about this stuff 🤔

[@dtoudassous]

Unfortunately the point's entirely lost on some people who think having a platform makes you fair game. A lot of people won't care until they're subjected to the same abuse.

[@metasequoiaglyptostroboides]

I watched Lindesy Ellis's Video yesterday and immediately had to think about the whole story again when Broey spoke about "best dressed". Holding people accountable is one thing but I feel like often enough it morphs into something equivalent to an medieval mob with forks and torches in their hands out to burn the person they're after...

[@ambarcastaneda4763]

I literally just watched Lindsey’s video!

[@vivienne1904]

11:30 The game show about Britney was way too brutal to handle

[@toastEDmrshmello09]

It was so nasty. Smh

[@okaywhynot4728]

Oh my god we were fucking assholes back in the day. Just trash fucking people Edit; I’m gonna change the word choice because I’m not happy with the original k bye x

[@jas_bataille]

The guy who did a "critique" of her show was also a fucking trash

[@samcaraballo6218]

Assholes being assholes!!!

[@cinemaocd1752]

It's 2023 and Britney is still being "framed" as crazy by the media.

[@itsmeharperjacksons6633]

I was seriously not aware of how badly Britney was treated, my goodness.

[@RPowell1980]

Kurt Cobain's first lyrics on the last Nirvana album come to mind: "teenage angst paid off well, now I'm bored and old, the self appointed judges judge, more than they have sold, if she floats then she is not, a witch like we thought, a downpayment on another, one at Salem's lot"

[@Veldtian1]

My God Kurt was talented.

[@bass9351]

U idiots they were scripted he was sacrificed. U ppl r trapped. No artist writes 100% of lyrics prob 10%. This is mad mind control 4 the world n c how it tricked blind fools like u fanboys

[@dahuajohnson6918]

@@bass9351 you should seek help.

[@bass9351]

@@dahuajohnson6918 did i giv u the truth n u still in wonderland

[@lainiwakura1776]

@@bass9351 wtf Courtney killing him is the theory, not whatever schizophrenic ramblings you're going on.

[@KhadijaMbowe]

Just you started with You're wrong about made me subscribe❤️.

[@BroeyDeschanel]

omg :') Khadija!!

[@Crazy_Diamond_75]

KZbin is such a small world. I watch your videos with my girlfriend all the time.

[@RedRoseSeptember22]

Go away.

[@sarasaeed6349]

@@RedRoseSeptember22 shut up you pasty goblin

[@dragonlord1225]

What does this mean?

[@websurfer5772]

Envy is at the root of the issues celebrities face. It's the reason people turn on them and start nitpicking every little thing. At first the celebrity serves as inspiration but when people's lives don't match up or catch up to the celeb's they try to emulate, they can turn on them in vicious, sometimes even violent ways. This actually happens in every kind of human grouping from what I've been able to glean in my years here on planet earth - it's not just happening to famous people.