Bronze Age Bow by HuntingDoor

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Link of this modern bow made by www.huntingdoor.com/products/54-laminated-triangular-recurve-bow

[@pewneosoby2108]

I'm afraid that this "International missing with guns" is just a myth. I cant send you a link but I'm sure you can find it.

[@robvillar191]

Do you know if this was the type of bow used by the indo-aryans before/during their migration into India and Iran? Does the angular bow represent the first type of horn bow?

[@HistoricalWeapons]

@@robvillar191 I’d have to do some research not sure but I’d assume bamboo d shape is common

[@robvillar191]

Yeah the evidence is pretty tantalizing but not concrete. The Dhanurveda written during the late bronze/early Iron Age described bows with horn bellies like the “eyebrows of a beautiful woman”, which at first indicates a “D” shape. But then I remembered that unibrows used to be a sign of beauty lol, so maybe like a strung double curve, or unstrung angular bow?

[@HistoricalWeapons]

@@robvillar191 u seem to be familiar with Indian bows. Any suggestion what topics to cover in archery of India

[@ainhoarnedo]

Gosh, archery has always been a frustrated dream for me. I also am a huge amateur fan of history. Your channel is basically everything I've ever looked for on KZbin! Thank you for doing what you do, your enthusiasm is really contagious:D

[@SparkleDonkey]

nice looking bow! Always enjoy your channel. I bought the AF Tartar bow after watching your vid and I'm really enjoying it. Very intuitive bow to shoot.

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Glad you enjoy it man

[@landsknecht8654]

Great video!!!!! This is interesting!

[@Timelesstere]

I think the Hyksos are generally regarded as having introduced the Egyptians to the design. I have many thousands of shots through my D shape Assyrian bow from top archery , its the same bow Armin reviewed . I painted mine white and don't leave it out in the sun, a very enjoyable bow to shoot.

[@busurbusur2381]

can i see where you find that info

[@Timelesstere]

Watch the documentary, The Dominant Rise And Total Collapse Of The Ancient Egyptians, its long but excellent .@@busurbusur2381

[@mrln247]

Nice to know some people have had good luck with the Top Archery Assyrian, it's on my maybe list.

[@busurbusur2381]

I found the Sumerian artwork depict similar bow s

[@legntt3488]

Where

[@nerhaci2074]

@@legntt3488saw it as well in Atarn

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Sumerian Archer showing a D shape bow with non-working recurve tips (string is not at the recurve portion) so not the same bow design. Similar non-working recurve tips have been seen in persian bow tips, likely for decoration. www.bridgemanimages.com/en/noartistknown/detail-of-the-stele-of-the-hunt-warka-uruk-period-iraq-c-3000-bc/nomedium/asset/3520030 Note that a 5000 year old art should be taken with a huge spoon of salt if we are taking it literally.

[@busurbusur2381]

wow thats the earliest depiction of a composite bow?@@HistoricalWeapons

[@phawang37]

@@busurbusur2381Chinese Bronze Age artwork show earlier bow of arguably composite m shape

[@xiaotian5863]

I think angular bow has the advantage of high brace height so much more compact for chariot

[@dsasd778]

thats not only reason. its easier to make for hornbows

[@busurbusur2381]

angular bows are also able to hold strung time longer

[@HistoricalWeapons]

www.flickr.com/photos/fotogezi/3124102819 anatolian chariot use clearly show how the shorter angular bow is being used, probably so you can shoot 360 degrees easily on the chariot. upgrade cost of the composite is neglible compared to the chariot

[@melyjaneliban4762]

I like the nerdy history dives instead of a boring commercial

[@fatboy8420]

Nice

[@MrRourk]

The design is kept alive by Shrew Bows.

[@WagesOfDestruction]

Bows can be used for multiple roles eg hunting, while swords need an extensive practice that is war-focused. Therefore, bronze-age military forces would have more archers than dedicated sword-wielding infantrymen.

[@langoloql]

same with spears and javalines

[@HistoricalWeapons]

That logic applies to all time periods. Though medieval swordsmen was not the most numerous infantry either. the lack of armor during the Bronze Age in the levant for the average soldier is the true reason why bows are relied and the sheer quantity of these peasant soldiers

[@WagesOfDestruction]

@@langoloql Yeah spears while not having the dual hunting role of bows, do not require the extensive practice that swords require. They are also all much cheaper. This would explain why the core weapons of bronze age armies generally were bows/arrows for range, along with spears and shields for close combat, supported by other weapons like axes, and swords for certain warriors for the elite with helmets.

[@WagesOfDestruction]

@@HistoricalWeapons Mmmm, peasant soldiers generally were not that good with bows. This is why I suspect that crossbows were commonly used in ancient China, especially by peasant soldiers, why not in Europe is a mystery to me, in Europe and Japan we see them used as spearman

[@hiimryan2388]

@@WagesOfDestructionspears kinda do have hunting use as many mideval painting show hunter’s with spears hunting boar

[@langoloql]

Hey jack,got a question in regards of the draw weight of the war bow from bronze age. It is possible that bows started from ~45lbs to a max of at least ~80lbs during those time? Given that armor was more of a high end expensive thing and most in an army would have only a shield for protection (wich we don't know how they were constructed) and that it takes not so much to pierce a human since we're soft animals. I always hear that a war bow stard at around 70~80lbs minimum, but I suspect that from a more medieval point of view

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Hi there, we don’t know for sure but I think that is reasonable, also strong bowstrings are harder to mass produce so I think that’s the biggest limitation of the time

[@langoloql]

@@HistoricalWeapons Oh right! never though about the string,good point there.

[@fatboy8420]

@@langoloql is there plant Egypt string? Animal sinew and gut would be hard to mass produce in the tens of thousands

[@langoloql]

​@@fatboy8420 I guess so,they had cordage for many thing so they could use some of those for their bowstring,although how much weight could they handle is up to debate.

[@TemujinKhan]

Yeah plant bowstrings is weak

[@zhangtony3372]

Archeology from tombs are for nobility. Commoners probably used d bows

[@dsasd778]

not all, plenty of depictions of non-nobles with composite bows

[@dsasd778]

nobles also used d bows

[@chrisruzsa2798]

Sometimes but nobles also had very expensive bows and or crossbows they would also have better arrows and bolts because they probably made their own too which is always better than masses produced.

[@markdennis254]

how people use bows back then

[@busurbusur2381]

lars anderson...just kidding

[@HistoricalWeapons]

from theban tomb of neferhoptep there is artwork depict the "lars anderson" technique, however that is a rare depiction for archery artwork. critics have argued it is merely the artist's imagination of what archery is like but i disagree because it clearly shows two fletch and arrows lined up like a magzine and held near the nocks. nonetheless, a rare technique for followup shots for hunting or entertainment en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomb_A.5

[@garygaither8263]

👍

[@aoe2_elo037]

What did the caanites used

[@nerhaci2074]

Your looking at it right there. Jews used those triangle bows as well as other bows like gullwing and d shape

[@langdavid6852]

they are not jews back then@@nerhaci2074

[@dsasd778]

For the Levant - Canaan region the archaeological representation begins in Natufian (9th Millennium B.C.) and is heavily represented beginning in the Chalcolithic (4th Millennium B.C.). The presence of archery remains is not uniform and some sites are distinctly without such, however, other areas, even within the same chronological timeframe, contain extensive finds. This lack of uniformity for many ages, particularly the Chalcolithic and Late Bronze Age argues for different levels of social acceptance and usages of archery which further points to the reality that the usage of archery extended beyond a mere tool and entered the social milieu. Textually, primary documents throughout the Near East testify to the central role that the bow and arrow played within the scope of warfare and society as well. Primary sources such as the Amarna Letters and literature from Sumer and Akkad bear this out.[1] Other societies such as Egypt also display abundant evidence of the centrality of this weapon as a means of war and as a means to display royal authority and dominance within the political and even spiritual realm. But, while the primary sources for archery is remarkably plentiful, the secondary literature base is not, or is not sufficient to cover the known facts beyond technical discussions that are wholly disconnected from historical impacts. they fail to connect this to anything with the military or social milieu guiding us towards understanding the importance of such studies.

[@phawang37]

jews are not caanites civilization @@nerhaci2074

[@17yearoldwarbowarcher]

hunting door is good for the price

[@dingdong4156]

Id rather buy one from Egypt or Palestine

[@17yearoldwarbowarcher]

@@dingdong4156 fair enough lol

[@vintagebowyer1692]

@@dingdong4156they only sell scams

[@RinoSukiyatiArchery]

👍

[@Lessonswithsenseimatt]

I love how you go into the mental aspect 🎯

[@mrln247]

I do quite like the look of that bow, it looks like quite a low stress design. Been wanting something to throw light arrows fairly fast and also looking at the Infamous Top Archery Assyrian that blew up on Armin they look pretty similar guess this has more handle deflex.

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Note that armin does thumb draw and pulls quite far away for these bows. If you intentionally only stick to 28” I think they last Much longer

[@phawang37]

anatolian bows depict short bows possibly composite and angular like yours, but the artwork is too abstract to be certain: from from the Palace of Kapara, King of Guzana, in Tell Halaf (Syria), 9th century BC (low relief on stone)

[@HistoricalWeapons]

here is artwork with similar bow depicted on chariot, angular or d shape www.flickr.com/photos/fotogezi/3124102819

[@BIG-DIPPER-56]

Excellent - Thanks !

[@baileymichael4326]

They're all beautiful bows like your videos Mikey Daytona Beach Florida

[@hatedofallnations7297]

Bro with as much bow content as you have you should consider calling yourself "Samurai Jack" not very many people understand or know that The War Bow was used as the primary weapon of the Samurai, and not the over Populized but not over rated Samurai Swords "Great Swords" by the way I personally think that you are doing very good reviews and the information is top quality. If I ever considered doing videos like this I would pick a person who understands and is as educated as you are to film with. Bottom line keep it up. And congrats on the success.

[@justin_isaac_rada44]

It is possible to make a crossbow made out of Ming light crossbow base with a double layered Penobscot bow while the bolts are +25% denser? Will it be able to fire and to penetrate light medieval metal armor?

[@HistoricalWeapons]

You can use a historical conventional crossbow instead and it would go through lots of light metal

[@necrodamus5481]

Question. Have you ever done a longbow vs recurve bow comparison and preferences video? ive heard people have that argument online and i want to know your take. Also, have you tried the Nubian Deflex bow design?

[@Alexa-j3w2e]

❤

[@stevenparsons4464]

It's to bad huntingdoor stiffed me two bow strings on my recent order. I'd be interested in one of these bows.

[@17yearoldwarbowarcher]

he looks like Genghis Khan

[@langdavid6852]

🎉🎉

[@TemujinKhan]

Looks good man 🎉🎉

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Appreciate it

[@DK_HAXX]

Well if you add sinew to the back of the bow.. then it will be heavier suddenly :D But okay... I seen you pull like 154lbs bow lol.. You prob wont feel it on this 40lbs bow yet ;)

[@JacTang-yg2kt]

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[@MrRourk]

you should review their Yellow Emperor Bow

[@notreallymyname3736]

That's the bow you keep in the chariot incase your boy Ilu-Shuma's messenger brings tidings that the Elamites built their civilization too close to your borders.

[@HistoricalWeapons]

lol true

[@oackman9250]

😮

[@nerhaci2074]

Unfortunately nobody cares about that era anymore not even total war fans

[@phawang37]

thats cuz TW FANS like Eurocentric gaming

[@HistoricalWeapons]

think it has more to do with the thrones of decay DLC and the timing of HYENNAS

[@georgegeorge3619]

i dont think a beginner can pull 40lb recurve bow

[@TemujinKhan]

There’s twenty pound

[@tomchen4020]

I just want to ask you, based on existing archaeological data and historical records, what could be the estimated draw weight and draw length of the triangular recurve bows used in warfare and hunting?

[@HistoricalWeapons]

We don’t know but similar to modern trad bows for hunting

[@tomchen4020]

@@HistoricalWeapons Alright, thanks, bro😀

[@dingdong4156]

🎉

[@desmass1]

The turks (hitties) hyskoes invaded egypt and they had superior military technology in the bow and arrow, wood supply, metals and horses , chariots So basically the levant region (hyskos) Modern day turkey invaded modern day northern egypt (lower egypt in ancient times) and brought the composite bow to egypt along with the chariot Egypt wasnt part of middle eastern culture historical until then, they were in African culture then invasions/trade happened But that isnt the original bow the egyptians used the indigneous african naqadan bow reflex deflex bow before the hysko (hitties) modern day turkey invaded them the acacia /sycamore / juniper thats why they use the bow they use the reflex deflexed bow before that i learnt the bow desgin by looking at texts and using your bow guide to cross referencing. Egyptian reed's and different woods like sycamore like sycamore etc can be used to make replicas

[@HistoricalWeapons]

I believe the ancient Africans already brought the composite bow to Egypt via the nubia route (the gullwing design also seen in ancient Arabia)

[@press-mitrevski]

Turkic steppe people are best at this, and the Comanche for your continent

[@beepboop204]

[@HistoricalWeapons]

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[@bugger6881]

🎉

[@cnawan]

TIL static and working tips exist

[@fatboy8420]

Examples plz

[@busurbusur2381]

ive only seen non-working static tips (decoration past the string grooves recurved)

[@Dnahwjjwjejnenex]

Wala

[@Notjustcar]

🎉

[@lichenggong1248]

❤😊

[@florianv102]

Had one with 50+ lbs. broke it.

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Oh darn these bows are not designed for that weight

[@vintagebowyer1692]

😂😊

[@AnkunFang]

😊

[@biggusdiccus6969]

The modern thumb draw style shooters in China favour this type of triangle shaped bow because it shoots like modern recurve from what I've heard.

[@TemujinKhan]

Interesting

[@dsasd778]

It’s historically not Chinese

[@HistoricalWeapons]

Chinese Bronze Age bows have similar shapes made of bamboo

[@VictorJavannn]

Nice