Brother Aveneer EV1 Is Fully Loaded But...

[@Quilt4Joy]

I have the Janome M17 and love it! The motor is commercial grade and really makes the difference in sewing and embroidery. I have no regrets in my purchase.

[@sherrikoers1438]

The Disney feature is restricted. You cannot resize the loaded designs or transfer them to scan n cut because of their liscensing. It doesn’t remove hidden stitches as in combining embroidery designs. Digitizing on software still has to be done on software, not for me. You can really get a good deal on any Luminaire 3.

[@ThimbleBook]

Thanks for mentioning this.

[@oksanagrof7571]

Omg, you have given a most truthful comparison of both machines, and the similarities, especially since dealers don’t want to say they are the same (almost) Thanks again , they are really out of my spending zone. I have the first Solaris without the upgrades and I still LOVE her……

[@vrccim5930]

Thank you. Not a machine I would buy but all info on sewing machines is good.

[@sewntype]

Excellent review and helpful analysis. I feel the least liked part of quilting is the basting. The hoops take part of that away, but you'll have to change so often that you'll still end with wrinkles and gaps. So I will keep my existing set up - Longarm and Sewing Machine with embroidery. I think they missed on the regulator. Thank you, Sheree!!

[@ThimbleBook]

I totally agree!

[@barbarameehan113]

I have a Brother quattro which I bought new 15 yrs. ago. I paid around 6500.00 then. This was a stretch for me but I love this machine. I know how to use it and it is enough for me. I am 83 so it is great for my old brain. I also have a Juki 2010 and I do not like it. I use it because I feel guilty if I don't. I also have a Brother 1700e embroidery machine. It is ok but still not as good as my Quattro. Thank you for your indepth video. Not for me but others I am sure will love it. Happy sewing/embroidering friends❤.❤❤

[@fourthgenquilter9801]

I own a Babylock Solaris Vision along with several other modern and vintage machines. I traded my Destiny for the Solaris and will stop there. The Solaris is wonderful…but it is too heavy to make it a classroom/retreat option. It also did not fit in my Koala Studio. Luckily I have an Aria that is a perfect fit. My Dealer has tried to get me to upgrade, but I am quite content with my current sewing machine fleet. Thank you for such a thorough review.

[@marta77inf]

@@fourthgenquilter9801 Even the Destiny is big and heavy.

[@lidabard2121]

Thank you for your evaluation! Lots of good information.

[@harwoodc98]

Quite a machine, priced out of my market.

[@LeaPersons-r2b]

I think the aveneer is a remarkable machine I will be buying one in the next year. Thank you for all your comments.

[@sallyb7472]

Girl, you know if someone gave you this machine, you would take it!

[@ThimbleBook]

I sure would. LOL

[@deboramccadden5318]

I’m currently a Solaris owner, in the past always trading up and/or buying upgrades for years. The MSRP on the Radiance is way out of my price range since I am now retired. I doubt I’ll be buying this most recent machine. 😢

[@lindanedderman-eaton3826]

I am an older woman, who does not have money to blow, and no way would I ever ever spend $24,000.00 on a sewing machine. Not even $10,000. I traded in a much lesser machine for a mid-range Brother Innovis NQ3700D combination sewing and embroidery machine for $3000.00 total including tax at my local dealer, and even that price was a stretch for me. I put it on a credit card and made payments on it to pay it off. I did not really care about the Disney Designs but it was $200.00 cheaper at the time than the Babylock Vesta equivalent machine, and I wanted the features that both of these machines were offering: A 6 x 10 embroidery field, speed control, pivot, needle up/down, lots of accessories and more. This machine is it for me and I love it. I complemented it with a practically new Janome Airthread 2000D Serger that was a trade in for half price, and, a few years later got a Janome CoverPro 2000 demonstration model at my dealer for a deal as well. These machines do all I will ever need.

[@ThimbleBook]

You have some very nice machines. Thanks for watching and commenting.

[@monicajackson7266]

With the embroidery arm on both machines weight 60 lbs. These machines are nice but I would never use all the stitches. Plus they weigh too much for transport to retreats. As far a embroidery I love the idea of such a big hoop. It would be perfect for quilting, but at this price they could have included magnetic hoops; which are a game changer when it comes to embroidery. I truly enjoy your informational vlogs.

[@ThimbleBook]

Thanks for letting me know how much it weights altogether. Yes, it would have been better for them to include magnetic hoops. Thanks for watching.

[@terryp4492]

I’m still in love with my Luminaire. I can’t see that this machine offers me anything different, especially at $25,000.

[@eloisjohnson8547]

Thanks for the information! I been there and I don't want to do that anymore. Sellers don't tell you the truth about the machines!

[@annm3609]

Thanks for the info but I think I'll keep my Luminaire and buy a multi needle for embroidery, The Brother 6 needle goes on sale for less than half the price of the Aveneer. Saves me about $13,000 + tax

[@sallyb7472]

You still have to thread those 6 needles too unless you only want 6 colors on everything. I’m trading my upgraded Lumi 3 for the Baby Lock Radiance ( just saying no more to Disney) because I didn’t trade up before and now my old machine is worth less than 1/7 of the original price. The trade in values can be quite good depending on your dealer.

[@ThimbleBook]

Yes, trade in values are pretty good so long as you find the right dealer and upgrade frequently. Congrats on the Baby Lock Radiance. Its probably the one I would pick too if I were going to buy one of these machines.

[@ThimbleBook]

Yes!

[@pamelamonachello2091]

Just a footnote, the retail price does not appear to be what they are selling for. My local store offered a very steep cut off retail before the trade in.

[@MJquilter]

@@pamelamonachello2091 Good for you and your retailer. But if you lived in or near Linda Z’s sewing Center in Arlington Heights, Illinois they do not take nothing off the retail prices. They only make you think you are getting a good deal. They don’t give good deals at all. One buy because they want it, and or they live traveling distance away. I’m surprise she is still in business. They all about taking your money.

[@eloisjohnson8547]

It's a nice machine. It is too expensive to take the risks as with the Viking epic 3. I will watch and wait! Thanks again for sharing!

[@ThimbleBook]

I have seen machines for sale on trade in at a fraction of the costs. So, if you were interested in getting one of these machines, I think it would make more financial sense to buy a gently used one.

[@deniseg7340]

Super cool machine but not for me; it's too heavy and too expensive. We are on a fixed income and have a mortgage. I struggle to carry my 21 lb Brother Innovis NQ1300PRW and am looking for a sturdy sew it all machine under 18 lbs. After 8 years, I've only used about 30% of the available stitches and features on the Brother 1300 and it seemed expensive at $1,500.00 (the updated one is $1,999.00!).

[@ThimbleBook]

The Innovis is a nice machine. I like my machine light enough to carry around but heavy duty enough that it wont bounce around. Pfaff Passport 2.00 weights 14LBS. They are currenly on sale for $600 brand new. But, I've found them on marketplace in the $300 range. Only issue with that is that the throat space isn't very large. Thanks for watching.

[@19Celia57]

I can not imagine a scenario where I would want this machine. It's GINORMOUS, HEAVY and way too much money for what you get. The Picture Play sounds cool but with only ONE needle. I don't have enough patience or time to change out all those thread colors. Ugh Too many things to go wrong with it. While it does many things, it appears it does not do them well. YMMV

[@monicavandewalker6253]

The price is too expensive. It’s just a 1000 dollars shy of what I spent on my new car in 2021! I could never justify it. (Or afford it) also, much of the ‘bells and whistles’ are things I would ever use.

[@ThimbleBook]

Once you remove all those features, its just a darn sewing machine. Besides, you can use the car to buy more fabric :-)

[@pocketbear]

Awesome review! Very thoughtful and honest. As a business analyst I am going to analyze the cost of the machine compared to the upgrades from all the other top of the line machines, encouraged and influenced by your review points. Great job! ❤❤❤

[@pocketbear]

I ran the cost analysis and the recommendation is keep your top of the line machine as the added features to not add the appropriate $$$ value. I am surprised Brother is pricing this so high when it is clearly not worth the extra $$$$. And in this economy, a poor business decision by them. If you want the analysis, I can send as a PDF to anyone who asks. ;)

[@cyndykier7384]

I REALLY want the Aveneer. I have a Solaris and it’s a fabulous machine, but I am impressed by some of the new/improved features. I am a Scan N Cut user and only the Brother communicates with it. Otherwise, I’d be looking at the Radiance.

[@ThimbleBook]

Yes, its awesome that Brother communicates with a scan n cut.

[@reidsfabric]

Too expensive. Although I like the features I have a babylock Ellisimo that was a top of the line way back and its fantastic and I still don't use some of the features. For this price I can buy a nice used 2nd vehicle which would take me to all the fabric stores!

[@ThimbleBook]

Fair enough! I prefer fabric to machines too. LOL

[@angelabennett5689]

Thank you for the review. For me the major sticking point is that you are only gaining 1 inch of extra width. Had Brother extended the width by more then it may have been worth considering. 12 inches should have been the minimum. Also I would expect the design of the largest hoop and its long length v. short width will allow for fabric slippage despite pinning. It is certainly the case with the Luminaire largest hoop. Most of the other new features and not useful enough to warrant such a high price tag. Not into Disney (most of them are too small to do anything with).

[@ThimbleBook]

Hmm. I didn't think about fabric slippage using the long hoop. Thanks for mentioning because I'm going to look into it.

[@itzzbarb]

It will definitely be a challenge to keep fabric properly hooped in that largest hoop. My largest hoop is 8x12 and works for all I want to do. I can easily see it taking an hour to prepare a hoop and pin, tape, do all you would need to do to keep the project in place.

[@boredmollusca]

amazing comparative consumer research. thank you for sharing

[@ritacantrell738]

Thank you for the information🤩

[@leahwithheld783]

My Skyline S9 is a 9mm machine, and a 10th of the price. Yes, my hoop is only 6x10, but it was 90% cheaper! Also, how does a projected buttonhole help with vertical spacing if the screen is 6x8” ( I think you said)? You can’t project all the buttonholes all the way down the shirt at once to check spacing.

[@ThimbleBook]

You make an excellent point. I think the projector shows up 2inches behind the needle. So realistically, you would only be able to see 3 buttons at a time. To me, it still makes more sense to mark them out with chalk the old school way.

[@StitchPup]

Unless I hit the lottery I wouldn't pay this much for a machine. I'm considering getting a combo sewing/embroidery just to have the embroidery unit to test files for home users. I already have a commercial 15 needle embroidery machine. I got the commercial machine plus digitizing software and all of the supplies, over 350 colors of thread, magnetic hoops and more for under half of the cost of this machine. I appreciate your review!

[@ThimbleBook]

Sounds like you have a very nice setup. Thanks for watching.

[@GerriBauer]

Best overview I've seen. Thanks. Honestly, it's too much machine for me and costs more than my Saturn car did brand new (20 years ago). I'm not interested in embroidery, so I'm not the target market for these and other similar new machines. I went upscale when I hopped from a Singer HD (still have it) to a Brother PS575 PRW and then traded up to a BabyLock Soprano. I love my Soprano! And it only weighs about 21 lbs. A big thing for me nowadays is machine weight and it factors greatly into my decisions. I've even downsized my heavy vintages except for my Singer 15-30 treadle that was my grandmother's. Its harp space is almost as big as the Soprano's 8 1/2. Aside from my Soprano, the machine I use the most is an early 1970s Kenmore that weighs only 14 pounds and is a workhorse.

[@ThimbleBook]

Yes weight definatly is a big factor for many of us.

[@monicajackson7266]

I brought my most expensive sewing only machine a Babylock Soprano and that for me was a big buy. I haven’t used all the stitches and I’ve had it 2 years. I call my self a multi-purpose seamstress because I do it all ; from making my own clothes to alterations and home decor sewing. I did buy an embroidery only machine to add to my repertoire, but that being said I’m still under the $7000 range for my sewing and embroidery machines. At a $25,000 price I wouldn’t be able to buy supplies I need to sew! Good Sewing to you!

[@GerriBauer]

@@monicajackson7266 Good Sewing to you too! :) The Soprano was a big buy for me too. I've used it for garments, quilts, small bags and some pet pillows (stuffed with scraps from the other projects) and haven't even come close to using all the stitches yet.

[@Nicoya]

Nope, definitely not for me. I think the target market for these flagship machines forget that under all the novelties and gizmos, this is just a machine that puts thread through fabric.

[@sewntype]

Who IS the target market? The price is insane

[@Nicoya]

@@sewntype As far as I can tell it's older folks who have run out of things to spend their money on.

[@LindaHorn-ut2fh]

Nope. Not for me either. More impressed with the B990 from Bernina.

[@edithmonteith9557]

@@Nicoyanot this older person!

[@monicajackson7266]

@@sewntype This machine cost more than my first home!!!!! It’s absolutely to expensive. That’s why so many dealerships are going out of business. These companies are pricing out of normal consumers price range.

[@marta77inf]

I try Babylock and Brother. The difference among them is the Dysney design are the big difference. I try both and I truly prefer the Babylock.

[@sonjabowling3876]

I have paid for one and I’m hoping I don’t have buyers remorse. The main reason I paid for one this time I was going to wait until the second generation came out, but I never received adequate classes for my Lumineers as my sewing dealership discontinued carrying brother products and kthe brother store here does not have an educator therefore I would not get any guide classes, so I’m trading my luminaire in for radiance and getting detailed guide classes for it because I never learned how to use my luminaire but I’m having second thoughts and I’m sure I can’t get my money back I wanted to stay with brother due to the Disney designs, but I can’t afford to because I have no Guide classes for the brother at my dealership, so in essence I’m starting over regret that I won’t have Artspira as I see that it can be a great help and my scan n cut will no longer be tied in to my sewing machine as I am having to buy a baby lock. I love the baby locks as much as the brother I just think the brother has a lot of pros with extra capabilities like the scan and cut and the Artspira.

[@ThimbleBook]

Buyers remorse never feels good. So, it may be beneficial to travel long distance for the Brother version of this machine + the classes. You made an excellent point about the differences between Babylock and Brother. Brother really does seem more friendly to the home user due to the Artspira and scan n cut compatibility.

[@pamelamonachello2091]

The stitch regulator also cannot be used with rulers. The Bernina integrated stitch regulator can be used with rulers.

[@ThimbleBook]

The ability to use a ruler with BSR is a game changer. Thanks for bringing this up.

[@appydaysquilts]

I have an Altair-2 and, if I had an extra 25 grand, I'd LOVE to upgrade to this machine! I'll never have room for a long-arm, and having a stitch regulator would be fantastic. Another consideration though is that, as machines get bigger, the desks or tables we put them on also have to be bigger and sturdier. Also, I won't even travel with my Altair, so I still need to spend another 3000 to 4000 on a smaller, more portable machine that does embroidery, to be able to participate in the guild's embroidery club, retreats, etc. Realistically, my upgrade will probably be a traded-in Solaris.

[@ThimbleBook]

The need for a second travel machine and a new table makes the bigger machines out of price range for a lot of people. Thanks for watching.

[@itzzbarb]

And not PES format. That was the final straw for me. Not going to fool with it. Will use what I have. No way do I want to have to fool with every embroidery file.

[@AngelaWolf]

You can still use PES files, it just exports different. Same as the Luminaire :)

[@elizabethclaiborne6461]

For $25k, why do I even need to operate anything? It should be a complete robot. Self driving.

[@demimorest963]

The price tag did it for me. Not gonna happen over here.

[@marienaailes]

Interresting.

[@2230Pcvines]

Great explanation

[@karenhorvath8056]

It’s not different enough from the Luminere to make it worth the crazy cost.

[@wyorose5965]

I have a Stellair. Only thing I wish it had was a camera, but it’s a work horse. This is to rich for my blood.

[@Doctor_Al]

How about oiling it? Does it even have oiling points? I suppose when you have a 25K sewing machine you hire someone to service it once a year. 150 year old sewing machines still run today because people oiled them every time they used them

[@ThimbleBook]

The books recommend oiling after each use. But, my great grandmothers red eye sat in storage 40 years without an oil and sprang back into action without a problem. You are correct! Those machines were made to take a beating. Thanks so much for watching and commenting.

[@Doctor_Al]

@SewingandCaring Yeah, the cost in 1900 was what I was thinking about, actually. Very, very expensive and that's why people took care of them. Of all my machines, the 3 in my sewing space are a 201-2, 15-91 and an 80's vintage Kenmore in case I need those exotic zig-zag stitches. :)

[@marta77inf]

I thank very much for your reviews. My question is how come machines used to last for over 100 years. I have a Destiny and is a 10 years old machine. Its an old machine. And people say that there are no more parts available. So I think that is tottaly unfair. Just unethical.

[@ThimbleBook]

It's ideal to have a machine that lasts a lifetime because it saves the environment and our wallets. But, its not good for companies (Hence why 90% of the vintage machine companies are out of business).

[@sharondalynnewton7562]

It’s like that with everything nowadays. Nothing lasts as long as they used too.

[@carolynfrench3489]

Too big not only will you need a big table you will need a big room so your table can be way out from the wall when that big embroidery hoop is on to keep from hitting the wall. The weight is just too much for most gals. Price is way too much. And I don’t like designs as big as that biggest hoop. Thinks they are being cheap in only giving 4 hoops with that price machine.NOT a machine I would even consider.

[@ThimbleBook]

I have no idea how you would get this machine in for servicing. Its almost like an industrial where you need a tech to come out to your house.

[@margaretpate1785]

200% agree. My Solaris sits on an IKEA conference table. Table fills room. The Solaris embroidery arm extends over front edge of table, and is always in danger when I stand up from a swivel chair. Being short, and half elderly, I can barely lift machine using top handle. I’ve never used the largest hoop. My favorite hoop was included with Aventura II, 6.25” x 10.25”.

[@carolynfrench3489]

@@ThimbleBook in my area that sure ain’t going to happen

[@monicajackson7266]

@@margaretpate1785 I think they weren’t thinking about the people who really sew. As a person who sews a variety of different disciplines and in a lot different locations; I can’t imagine trying to tote this thing anywhere. Can you imagine taking it to a retreat? It would be dang near impossible. I agree they make it seem as though the huge hoop size is a selling point, but the reality is I’m hard press to find a design to fit my Pathfinder’s 8x12. It is good when my best friend ask me to use it for quilting her quilts, though. I do not move it from the desk I have it on. Good Sewing to you.

[@Judy-n1f]

Cool machine, but not for me. I wish I could have that large hoop, but not for $25K!

[@conner1354]

I doubt Brother makes 1,000 of the Aveneer. Way too expensive. I will keep my Stellaire XJ2. At least I got a good price on the Stellaire. Just not worth the $$. I kept getting emails from Brother on the Aveneer. They finally stopped sending the emails. If anything I hope this pushes down the price for all the other Brother sewing machines.

[@ThimbleBook]

There have only been a handful of viewers who say they are in the market for these expensive machines. So, I don't think they are for the masses.

[@itzzbarb]

@@ThimbleBook My dealer quoted me $17,000 for the machine, with no bundle. He is usually lower than most. Trade in and discount for cash brought it down to $15,500, but at age 73, I just can't justify that. My VE2200 does all I need, plus some. It is a good stand alone embroidery machine with the 8x12" hoop. Heck, I don't want to embroider something as huge and this new machine can. And please tell me, why did they not make some sort of clips to help hold the embroidery medium in that big hoop? You know it will be a constant headache trying to keep it taught and no wrinkles. Ok I will shut up. haha

[@someoneoutthere2159]

I like this machine but for me the Disney designs are a waste. I have the Dream Machine and I’ve never touched the Disney designs, also for the kind of money they are asking they should have included a magnetic hoop.

[@jacksonskyler69]

I don’t know if I should feel impressed with this brand new machine. Brother or the factory where this machines came and it used to design groundbreaking industrial technology, but this time feels different. It’s hard to shake the feeling that this is just an average machine, nothing special at all.

[@ThimbleBook]

It makes for good marketing to add a bunch of fun features that seem cool. But in the long term, those features never get used by the end consumer. Once you remove the fun factor, it is just a regular sewing machine.

[@Doctor_Al]

I wonder who the target customer is for this machine. Certainly not the average domestic sewist and it's not going to stand up to factory of industrial uses. I mean, after Trump and Elon Musk buy one, who's left?

[@ThimbleBook]

If you are a retired neurosurgeon, maybe.

[@prerecordedresponse9884]

Would you like to know what $25k buys you in the sewing world besides this monstrosity? A 6 needle brother embroidery machine w/stand and cap driver - $12,000 Brother PE Design software - $1000ish Bernina L 850 air threading serger - $2500 Brother Stellaire Innov-is XJ2 - $8000 Brother Scan and Cut - $750 All for less than this machine, and you can totally find deals on all of these. At least wait a year and buy a floor model for $12k instead of buying new.

[@ThimbleBook]

This was an awesome breakdown. Basically you could outfit your entire sewing room with top of the line things for the same price you would pay for the Aveneer. Thanks for watching.

[@prerecordedresponse9884]

@@ThimbleBook thanks! I don't like seeing our community being taken advantage of with these new, shiny machines.

[@drewk1514]

Some very impressive features, but how many sewists would use even a FRACTION of the function this machine offers. Also I would find it difficult to spend $25,000 this machine--in other words, would you really get ROI (Return On Investment). Finally this machine is computerized and will become obsolete in a few years. Definitely NOT a machine to be handed down. Even if i did have an extra $25,000 sitting around, I could NEVER justify this purchase.

[@ThimbleBook]

You make an excellent point. $25K is a lot of money! You could buy a used Toyota Camry with low mileage with that much cash.