Brown vs Dun (Pigeon genetics)

Listed below is a series of Pigeon standards describing brown, dun and khaki.
(click 'Show more') Yes these are different breeds but it is all the same color.
Domestic show flights
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"• Dun - Clear and unblemished, and like that of a shell of chestnut
• Brown - A warm pure cocoa brown, clear and unblemished. (Note that brown is judged with black and dun)."
THE BRITISH NUN CLUB
ENGLISH NUN STANDARD OF PERFECTION
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DUN -- Dilute black self
An even shade of dun throughout, darker and distinct from brown, with a bright green sheen to the bib feathers. Beak, ceres and toenails dark horn.
BROWN -- Self
A chocolate brown colour with a bright green sheen to the bib feathers. Evenness of colour throughout preferred. Sun bleaching of the flights is undesirable but not a serious fault. Beak, ceres and toenails dark horn.
KHAKI -- Dilute brown self
An even shade of khaki tan with a yellowish tinge. Sun bleaching of the flights is undesirable but not a serious fault. Beak, ceres and toenails light horn.
English carrier
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"Brown (Formerly shown as dun): Should be an even shade of dark brown throughout, with birds coming in various shades from light to dark chocolate brown. The darker varieties being preferred. The overall color is not as important as having a bird that is one uniform shade throughout. Remember, these birds are not dun."
Indian fantail
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"Khaki (Dilute brown spread): The head, neck, wings, body, and tail to be an even shade of Khaki."
Komorner tumbler
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"Khaki: A very light khaki, very pale having a somewhat yellowish tinge. Should be even throughout."
Chinese owl
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"KHAKI SELF: (Spread Khaki): An even shade of light brownish-gray throughout. Beak and toenails light horn color."
Modena
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"Khaki: (Brown pigment - Dilute - Spread factor) The head, neck, wing and body and tail should be an even shade of khaki."

[@bluebell872]

Hi stevie from the uk realy enjoy your videos on colour genetics.I fly pakistani high flyers i would love to see some one like yourself put some .nice colour into a pigeon that has not change for century.I would love to see a yellow mottle pak highflyer with a pearl eye

[@FlyingTipplers]

I don't mix breeds. There are so many out there and I fly a tumbler variety from Iraq called Iraqi Basrawi. This breed is pretty new and they have several flying styles. Once I get mine all flying the same I will then breed my stock for the colors I want. I also have two genes I have to breed out. Which is easy since their both dominate, so its just a matter of not breeding them. Other birds can't hide it. I know a guy down here in the valley with red print PHF's, so if they have duns you get yellows from them.

[@Goodtimes348]

hi. just continue doing what you are doing people are so ignorant teach me i miss flying pigeon it's 24 years since

[@TheChessmaster09]

So true, i have seen and heard alot of noob folks call the chocolates a dun color and its so annoying. Thanks for describing the true meaning of a dun and brown.

[@bluelagoontipplerloft6130]

Good stuff 🕊🕊🕊

[@louie7911lc]

Nice work

[@mayantribe]

Very helpful information as always.

[@shezwood1]

Suppose i have a brown male or female with me. What kind of crossing shall be done to create khaki

[@pigeonmumbler]

yeah your correct when you say, Many NY flyers just call them Duns,,, Light or dark Duns,,, Kaki dun, sliver dun,,, ETC ETC,,, Many mumblers, know about the Genetic terms and many simply don't care,,, Same go's when you hear NY Mumblers say Tipplets instead of Tipplers,,, Say Tipplers in a Brooklyn Petshop and they'll all turn around and say " Hey Who or what are you,,, some Fancy Fly Boy " LOL,,, but your Correct... ;)

[@aodikhalid3170]

What is the result of dun with yellow

[@nathanimalable]

man i wish you got into rollers

[@pigeonmumbler]

Bottle nose Dolphin,,, where the top and bottom beck where the same size,,, Long like a "Dolphin",porpoise in shape,,, the English obtained these birds and created & breed them in the same Colors but with much smaller beaks,,, basically the Bronzy we see today... !

[@RedEyeLoft]

Great job! "C"

[@stephanmcclain1365]

I would love to meet you guys I live in Phoenix also just getting into pigeons

[@FlyingTipplers]

Very nice, have you got birds yet? Maybe I could help you with some Tipplers. Give me a call if you're interested 623 225 6343. -Corbin

[@IvanIvanov-vy7pt]

Is there a diference in eye color, as a rule, between dun and brown?

[@pigeonmumbler]

these Fanciers in the old country where having Pigeon wars in the air with these breeds why before the Americas where coming into existence... I think I have some real good info that maybe you can use to help you research or come to your on conclusion in a another Article I wrote "The Cumulet" well at least a stepping stone, if you will???...

[@preciouskelly4300]

nicee

[@ptlofts]

Hi. I have some Dun hens and cockbirds. I also have a Black cockbird from a Recessive Yellow cock x Black hen cross. Is it possible to get Yellows from that Black cockbird x Dun hen? Is the Dun a dilute factor? Thanks.

[@ptlofts]

***** Got it. But the Black cock's(wich carries dilute from the Recessive yellow dad side) mom is Black. Would that work if I mate that black cock to one of my Ash Red hens or they have to be also Recessive Red hens? Thanks for the info. I know that I could find out by myself but having the info from people that tried it before gets the task easier.

[@afgcop]

Breed from Afghanistan and am trying to get the yellows and the reds out of my one pair. Kinda like saving an extinct species out of one pair. Any tips?

[@FlyingTipplers]

Two years isn't too late to respond!? No tips needed though. 1 pair you either have it or you don't. It's a recessive gene so I don't know what your pair is to begin with. You can get reds out of two blacks (and all but everything). Along with yellows.

[@horaciorodriguez9736]

how come you did not include blue ? thanks for your videos

[@FlyingTipplers]

Because these two are often confused. Honestly my brothers corrected me before with them in the loft. These are his. What we should have included and I don't think we had one at the time is a khaki. To make it even more confusing: along with the dilute gene, Flights also have the pale gene which is essentially half dilute. This is what produces the golden yellows you often see in Show Flights. They aren't just good yellows. They are fully separate gene. And on that: pale blacks aren't good looking IMO. They look like bad blacks. They don't stand out like Duns do. On the Browns, Pale is okay I think but can be easily confused with brown since browns fade so easy in the sun. We don't have blues or ash reds so I don't know how those are. It's best on recessive reds.

[@horaciorodriguez9736]

flights are amazing bird i just got a white pair how do you think that happens ? is that just motle put together

[@pigeonmumbler]

O'yeah "The Bronzy" They where first breed in Germany & Holland, in the Family of "Dutch High Flyers Bottle nose Dolphin" ,,, they where and still to this time are called "Chimney Sweeps" an English Phrase! , I guess because of the Dark Black & brown Bronze color & pattern throughout the bird,,, I forget what the Germans & Dutch called them,,, But I know I have it some where in my Files,,, any Hoot,,, The Germans & Dutch version of the bird had a much longer beak "Bottle nose Dolphin"

[@tonygraham7114]

Here in New York we call that brown coffee dun new York city flying flight

[@afgcop]

Awesome. Thank you very much. Now one more question. I have many fancy breeds and am looking for a nice flight breed. What do you recommend ? I have a bunch of rollers I've recently been flying but they don't group up like on your videos. Every bird for himself. What needs to be done?

[@terrywilliams3741]

Have u tried flying them close to evening hours? They seem to stay tighter when they're ready to go in for the night. Or letting them out and not "chase", just letting them go up on their own?

[@pigeonmumbler]

Hey Logan, did you ever read the Article I wrote on the NY Danish Tippler? Here's the link,,, Here you will also find afew other Articles I wrote,,, I'm no writer,, so forgive my lack of writing skills... and some of the info is based on facts and some are my theory's, or Just,,, well just my brain farts that spill over... Enjoy...Louie ,,, just go to my KZbin profile and youll see it in my links...

[@jermainelindo6944]

brown 🕊 doves

[@afgcop]

Hey bro you said that the dilute gene is sex linked. I have a pair of red pigeons I bred and one baby is red the other is yellow. Would that make the dilute (yellow) a hen? And what happens if its a hen and I re breed it to the sire? The reason I ask is because I have only one pair of these birds, which are a very very rare

[@bj20091000]

***** Only 50% of the males bred will carry the dilute gene as both parents are non dilutes.

[@FlyingTipplers]

bj20091000 For the original pair yes. He was asking about breeding the yellow hen back to it's het dilute father. So 50% of the cocks will be yellow and the latter 50 will all carry dilute. The hens from this mating will be 50/50 (red/yellow) as well but of course not carrying dilute as they cant.

[@bj20091000]

***** Ahh yes sorry I thought it was just in reference to the 2 red birds.