Bruckner Symphony No 5 CODA

Concertgebouw Orchestra Nikolaus Harnoncourt

[@EdwardClinton]

Great performance.

[@shantihealer]

An apotheosis to end all apotheoses. Very well controlled and modulated but still emotional. Beautiful, brings me to tears.

[@jimthorne304]

I've seen comments from people that really, after this, there was no need for Bruckner to have written any more symphonies.

[@peace-now]

Note at 1:04! Wow!

[@ibizaking]

LOL Perry cracked a good one there :)

[@vaughanosgan2623]

Magnifico...

[@fvoutsakis1582]

Brilliant

[@annakimborahpa]

You can't go wrong with brass instruments in the key of Bb Major.

[@MrBulky992]

Just out of interest, does anyone here like the Schalk version? I know it's an academic point because it's not Bruckner's work. If you take its features in isolation, are any of them redeeming? I think I could make a case for the timpani parts of the finale coda as they give more energy to the ostinato (cf the recapitulation in the first movement of Bruckner 6). Also, if one thought it was in good taste to have cymbals and triangle in at the end, I think Schalk did a pretty fine job: he found the chords where they ought to go. The extra brass avoid the horns being drowned out and take some of the pressure off the regular brass. The cuts and recomposed passages are awful, as are some of his reorchestrations elsewhere which remove the characteristic "primary colours" of Bruckner's scoring.

[@ricardonascimento6020]

Gostaria de ver a coda com Celibidache e Abbado também.

[@ibizaking]

what was Harnoncourt thinking, putting those pianopassages in the choral? Bruckner wrote: Choral bis zum Ende FFF.

[@henrykaspar3634]

At loss at what you mean. There is no piano in the choral.

[@ibizaking]

thats what I'm saying, but Harnoncourt takes dynamics back several times.@@henrykaspar3634

[@henrykaspar3634]

@@aiyazmostofa1501 Thanks for the explanation. :-) There is no piano in Harnocourt's performance.

[@MrBulky992]

Is it a problem of balance between the horns and everyone else? They do tend to get swamped in some recordings. Some conductors (e.g. Abbado) reduce everything to piano just after the end of the chorale to let through a phrase in the flutes, one which never strikes me as being important enough to need this emphasis. Harnpncourt does not do so here.

[@ibizaking]

@@MrBulky992 yes, that flute thing, I would care less about it, brass choral till the end!

[@handavid6421]

Um...

[@joseg.matamoros2847]

I wonder if that’s a good “Um” or a bad “Um”

[@handavid6421]

​@@joseg.matamoros2847 eh as much as I like Hanoncourt, the dynamic and articulation choices aren't to my preferences (but that doens't mean it's not necessarily a bad performence, I guess... ) I'm biased for Celibidache's version though.

[@joseg.matamoros2847]

@@handavid6421 I’m more surprised that you answered a 2 year old comment hahahaha, yea ur definitely right tho

[@philipkay8116]

He's as slow as Barenboim - and that's slow...

[@Awesomenes37]

This symphony is rarely played because it was reportedly Hitler’s favorite. Let’s just say we can be glad Bruckner 4 and 8 weren’t his favorite. I’m cool giving this one up

[@hael_elha]

Are you sure that this symphony was Hitler s favorite?

[@PINGLUNALANLAW]

please specify the source thanks

[@MrBulky992]

It was also a favourite of Sibelius who wrote effusively about in a letter, I think. Of course, he only heard it in the Schalk version.

[@mr-wx3lv]

So often in Bruckner, you can't hear the strings whilst the brass roar away..

[@firzaakbarpanjaitan]

And what a magnificent roar that is.

[@keithbulley2587]

And I can hear the strings.

[@henrykaspar3634]

Ostinato. Without strings this would sound very harsh.

[@davidhadaway1171]

You must be kidding. The brass in full cry makes the finale. If you want to hear the strings you can go to many recording where they are as loud as the brass due to spot miking and multi-band compression

[@torosdepamplona]

He’s murdering the symphony! My God!!!! Too slow!!!

[@himmerod9117]

he was a quacksalver!

[@mr-wx3lv]

Yeah weird interpretation. Just keep it simple. Keep it how Bruckner wrote it..

[@himmerod9117]

@@mr-wx3lv that were Günter Wand's words in a rehearsal with the Berlin Philharmonic: "Bruckner has to be played very simple"

[@markhughes7927]

The fifth does not settle down for me - at times i can sympathise with the idea of Brahms laughing away - one great movement in it - I think of it as transitional to the larger forms but without their centre of gravity.

[@pian1sticpeng_in]

If you dont like Bruckner, there is always mahler, and vice versa. I like both, but overwhelmingly, I listen to Bruckner a lot more, his music's unique focus on rhythm and fluid harmony are a treat for my ears personally speaking. Happy listening!

[@markhughes7927]

@@pian1sticpeng_in I couldn’t live without Bruckner! Who goes through the ‘star-gate’ like him and Beethoven of the late quartets? One of the extraordinary alchemies of cultural history was the transformation of Bruckner from a limited choral writer to an ‘astral’ symphonist on encountering Wagner’s music when he had already turned 40!

[@pian1sticpeng_in]

@@markhughes7927 ye, what a huge transformation, if bruckner never knew wagner, he would have remained simply as a footnote in musical history as some obscure sacred music composer, and we would have lacked so much in the classical repertoire today!

[@minka866]

Excuse, Brahms don't laughing him at all. They have many in common than we can realize. Brahms is a quite cosmopolitan , urbam, Bruckner is a pio countyman who fit in a large cathedral.

[@barrybernstein9049]

Mark- The Fifth is one of the few Bruckner's Finale symphonies. And what a final movement this is. The fugue is on the same level as Bach. In fact this movement may well be one the finest in the whole of the symphonic repertory , For the fist time Bruckner lets himself to get really carried away with his finale coda. It is absolutely glorious . And gives me goose pimples. HOWEVER I find the chorale first movement coda of the sixth symphony with its over thirty modulations ,even better!