Is The BMA Really That Terrible? (Bloons TD 6)

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[@BTDIsab]

Considering we won in spite of it, I'd say yeah. Also in case you saw this video out earlier, this was reuploaded due to issues on YT's end. Check out how these runs are picked out/recreated here, with the most recent addition being the set cash mod: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aomynayOicedbs0

[@BotvsBots]

ISAB army my parents said if I hit 35k they’d buy me a professional camera begging you guys please🎉

[@MrDino606]

BMA so bad he had to reupload the video

[@benro6564]

This might be the strangest upgrade in the game. The tier 5 of the money path loses you money. Its okay because BMA is drippy as heck. Fashion > function

[@lucasw_basketball]

Isn’t that only cuz it’s chimps tho or does it always lose you money

[@longpants108]

It seems like a cool concept until you see it in practice and realize its flaws quickly

[@hoatrinh3256]

​@@longpants108 probably if you still get the amount you would pop until it has 1 red left then it would be great, but the blimp income can't be increased by rubber to gold by it self or other sources or xx3 villages

[@LlM0]

I think it has its chance to shine if you're doing freeplay and you already have a bunch of farms/income

[@longpants108]

@@LlM0 That's the ideal situation where it's good, but in Chimps, losing money is terrible, to say the least

[@Slaking_]

BMA in Chimps: 👶 BMA in Ultra Lategame: _I am become death, destroyer of worlds_

[@joohoo2053]

nah its bad in lategame too it just steals pops only thing that matters is BAD damage

[@mr_pigman1013]

@@LegoGeneralGrievousiscoolioslo atack

[@TheMirksta]

​@@LegoGeneralGrievousiscoolioSometimes but it attacks fairly slow so they can easily slip through. Better to rely on stall or just raw DPS

[@JFang-jh8ie]

​@@LegoGeneralGrievousiscoolioi have never, EVER seen a competent freeplay setup die to a DDT? for BMA to function at all, it needs stalls to halt them in place, or else BMA would whiff. And if you have stalls, well... they don't exit anyways. Good freeplay setups always either end from a fBAD or game crash. Very rarely is it anything else, and if it was, maybe it wasn't that good.

[@aron8929]

@@joohoo2053not necessarily; while yes, bad dps is the limiting factor in late game runs, BMA is still decreasing the density of bloons which in turn allows the other dps towers to solely focus on bads. Its purpose is basically being a cleanup tower. In other words, is it not still better to “insta kill” as many bloons as possible? Literally just chuck him in the corner, it won’t hurt just having him on screen unless you’re farming for Sapper.

[@eatingyoshi4403]

It's a good thing that BMA run had quincy, afterall, nothing gets past his bow.

[@oddowl9878]

I don’t understand how BMA has never gotten a buff where the red bloons created by it is worth as much/maybe slightly more than the original moab. I feel like turning moabs into ultra valuable platinum red bloons would be a local 5th tier for the earlier upgrades making bloons generate more cash.

[@THE_Dr_Nguyen]

BMA is an easy s tier. He is a god at reducing lag.

[@notme8232]

Game can't lag if you never make it far enough for the lag to hit

[@CoconutOrNot_]

💀 do you even know how the ganebworks?

[@togeluga_the_cat]

​@@CoconutOrNot_ i mean, he is not wrong, if theres less bloons on the screen thats less math to do

[@khoiduong8783]

​@@CoconutOrNot_ it's a joke

[@THE_Dr_Nguyen]

@@CoconutOrNot_ I’m no tech guru, but I’d like to believe I have an ok understanding. Anyways, BMA’s one shot capabilities for anything under a BAD allows it to bypass damage scaling. Since I don’t have to brute force zomgs, bfbs, and moabs, this also means that the game doesn’t have to do as many damage calculations. This hopefully means that lag is reduced.

[@Minib31]

Thank you isab for reuploading the video so you can pop 2x the bloons

[@cw83.]

♻️

[@Streetcleanergaming]

​@@cw83. 🍌

[@lostconsciousness]

bot comment material

[@margaret233]

Idea: Gears now has a button in the center which allows you to shift the gear by one for 1k. |1k (X+1)| X being the number of times bought.

[@margaret233]

I really could have said that it increases by 1k with every use 💀

[@daymar3]

Nah, I like the equation better. Also, I think the button might demote it to an intermediate map, though a new map with a similar idea would be neat. Similar for covered garden.

[@usernametaken017]

​@@margaret233but where's the fun in that? We need more equations on our lives

[@OMGoobero]

@@usernametaken017okay 7th grade math teacher

[@magicball3201]

​@@daymar3generally complex mechanics increase the difficulty. High finance is a good example, being a relatively simple 2 lane map with lots of land you need to buy to get more space. Same with the field map I forget the name of of the top of my head

[@ParallaxJack]

Notice how crazy Psi goes in some of these salvage runs! (The new sleepy skin is a little cute too)

[@agarscramble]

Now i don't know if its possible, probably not cause you'd lose too many pops saving for it, but a 2mp challenge on a village would be wild. Or if not possible, maybe see how much it misses and what modifications you'd have to do to make it possible

[@notDemiurgo]

its possible, chom chom has a video doing a 2mp with pexertise on moon landing

[@CoconutOrNot_]

​@@notDemiurgogerry carry 😊

[@pietertje1176]

@@agarscramble a 2TC on the other hand..... i cant even start with the Alch :(

[@zawake]

​@@pietertje1176 you can start with alch easily on resort, while on logs it's more difficult, still possible though

[@agarscramble]

@@notDemiurgo okay, i didn't see that, guess im going to watch that now, thanks!

[@cyberfish6507]

Sporm is a wonderful abbreviation for Spike Storm and everyone should start using it

[@beaneater6923]

SPikE stoRM sperm.

[@OMGoobero]

Same with sexpert

[@JetLimao]

those are so funny lmao

[@kaboomer]

Only real isab lovers know this is a reupload

[@Tybek1]

True

[@themegacactus]

Haven't watched this yet hope it's a diff vid cause bma is op

[@RonZhang]

real comment

[@jonahbrown5669]

*this video is private*

[@BiggySpamtonG1997]

other one says awful instead of terrible

[@RainMarrlen]

I wonder if it'd be a reasonable buff to make BMA not lose money and instead just give you all the cash from the bloons that were eaten

[@BeDatAPickle]

They'd probably up its price by 100k at that point 😂

[@circumplex9552]

youd have to either increase the price drastically or slow down the attack speed drastically for that to be reasonable

[@ley_0304]

wait till we get alch paragon.

[@destroything]

They did just buff pirate lord to have 6 hooks

[@didntaskplusratio3509]

Alchemist paragon

[@Pikachu-kb8tr]

Me when I watch ISAB’s videos: 12:27

[@staotheduck4853]

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@BloverCraneIsBadAtBTD6]

6:21 that’s what she said

[@Alifraipye]

don’t lie to us, blover

[@daymar3]

12:27

[@josiahswanson1]

Wow what’s the odds I just watched the transforming tonic chimps video!

[@johnschmidt4310]

Bma should follow the target, so you can make it target moab/ceramic on first, and then put it on strong for zomg/bfb

[@GeshemJR]

I'm impressed you actually managed to salvage that, very cool!

[@alpacaattacka]

It's crazy that the BMA is so bad. The XXXL trap arguably does its job better and gives bonus cash instead of taking it away

[@leemeyer9395]

The XXXL trap doesn't give bonus cash in chimps, but it does give the equivalent amount so it does do the job better

[@LoominousShroominous]

you arent a late game player are you

[@m4rcyonstation93]

​@@LoominousShroominous bma is inconsequential in lategame

[@LoominousShroominous]

@@m4rcyonstation93 you don’t play ultra late game either do you

[@flashjamer6075]

⁠@@LoominousShroominousYou’re new to this game if you think BMA does anything useful in ultra late game. I bet you’re going to pull out the old “Oh but it reduces clutter so your other towers can focus on the bads”. That doesn’t matter. Most late game dps towers have wide ranging attacks that hit massive areas of the map at all times. Coupled with infinite stall means that fbads are the only real threat. BMA doesn’t stall, and doesn’t do any bad damage. Therefore, inconsequential.

[@JoelTheParrot]

16:45 thought he said beast solver

[@sUpErBaNaNa12]

Legend has it is that the BMA got so rich off the money he steals from you...

[@TsczhabyCC]

Thank you ISAB for sporming all over the bloons

[@its_xen0nn]

"Sporm" is truly one of ISAB's inventions ever

[@Meverynoob]

Thanks isab for spraying the sporm all over the map

[@SHHDADDYSWORKN]

Just considering the recent update, I don't think 10k is enough anymore to buy a 1-4-0 spike storm under double discount.

[@imabeastperson]

Isab watched the setup when you realsed it but ive gotta say this is by far my favorite series or videos to watch from you so thank you for taking the time to do so

[@OskarsBestD]

Night 31 of watching isab every night before bed

[@MurMurBS]

Isab you should abuse the Geraldo glitch with rejuv it makes inf money 😂

[@Oswarlan]

11:50 twice now (in recent videos), you've said that the alch buff boosts the solver damage. Ive tested this in sandbox a few times... it does not unless there is some bug interaction. 502 vs 500 def increases the damage, but no amount of alch buffing changes the outcome. Maybe someone else here knows what you are talking about?

[@CoconutOrNot_]

Yeah it's an old bug I think, on another note 502 does not increase damage?

[@Oswarlan]

@@CoconutOrNot_ with just a 500 on a test bloon I was getting 109 damage from a single shot, with 502 I was getting 239~ not sure what's up with that tbh

[@CoconutOrNot_]

@@Oswarlan oh what happened was that the crosspath 502 increase the glues duration, not the actual damage, so the glue ends up sticking on to and damaging the bloon for longer

[@Oswarlan]

@@CoconutOrNot_ thanks, that makes sense, yeah. increases the overall damage, but not the per tick or anything

[@GeshemJR]

It's not a bug, but it only works on moabs, there won't be a difference on test bloon

[@suursuits7637]

Idea for a bma change: the potion always removes exactly one layer (bad to zomg, zomg to bfb, so on) but has more pierce and radius, fires a bit faster, and costs less. Also gets all the pops and cash from lost rbe.

[@glamrockfreddyfazbear2035]

Idea for a salvage run on chimps, use only 2 towers, 1 being really good against MOABs and one really good against normal bloons then just buy support towers (ice, cripple moab, glue, unstable concoction, etc, you can also use the hero).

[@neliaironwood7573]

Imagine if the Alchemist Paragon was able to one shot fortified DDTs via its shrink lasers with high speed and is basically Magic Navarch of the Seas.

[@user-fd3jd7gb1x]

Not the asap as possible

[@DETHTWUKTAUR]

my instincts say 030 bomb spam would have been better than than 140 spikes. but only because you could get 4 or 5 for the price of 1 and they help with ceramics more.

[@davudlinteanu8947]

As soon as possible as possible is one sentence I thought I'd never hear

[@mrwaffles7384]

Thank you isab for mastering the alchemist

[@EbroGame64]

I thought BMA was insane because it had negative pops in my runs

[@Weezer7]

The goat of tsb uploaded again!!

[@RonZhang]

Awesome BTD6 player indeed

[@star14604]

It would be interesting for you to do your own BMA challenge, but you should do it in challenge editor and start with enough money to get the bma on round 1 so you have to deal with it all game

[@qwertyqwertsalot]

Is BMA really that terrible? Yup, understandable

[@raonmiruww6860]

very nice BMA run 😂

[@Greed...]

BMA is my best buddy, BMA helped me when i was at the lowest of lows

[@fluffyonly3802]

I'm not sure but when I was testing in the past I'm pretty sure brittle helped with solver fps

[@SHHDADDYSWORKN]

Also ive never seen someone alc buff a moab assassin! "EVER!"

[@sneezywheezyboy1652]

Woah

[@GeshemJR]

I added both the alch buff and the assassin last minute so he doesn't have as much money to work with while also not really adding much damage at all

[@loganthomas4025]

the one time the bma does him well was when he just one shotted the 2 zomgs 😭

[@ThePatrix04]

ISAB try CHIMPS round 140 on ABR

[@Crumbling_Vortex]

Could you possibly use mods to manually set or change cash/hero levels/etc. to make the setup more consistent?

[@Lon3Ghost]

9:33 am I the only one that has no clue what he said here? My brain cannot understand words that quick Eminem.

[@lancearmada]

Hmm i wonder if you could train an AI to do btd6 micro. Mainly to show if a run is possible from a certain point.

[@LegoGeneralGrievousiscoolio]

BMA is really bad but if you like free play then BMA is your best friend

[@CoconutOrNot_]

It's ass

[@SaxDogga]

RAHHHHH I LOVE SALVAGE VIDEOS

[@Hello_World_not_taken]

I’d say it’s fantastic for late-game But AWFUL for the economy if you forgo boats and farms

[@thespanishinquisition475]

People really dont know how good late late game ultraboost bma is It helps u focus on the BAD's then the small fodder at late game

[@Zerba4]

isab but again

[@_ikako_]

If it just gave the money for the pops it would be goated

[@Fangzzzz]

Put every tier five on a map for 250 rounds the BMA does the most damage 😭

[@shiestymunch6767]

I wonder how long before the answer to one of these save the runs is the mermonkey

[@wazdoom]

run this back

[@chryst4l926]

Hey, gal from the first run here. I actually did manage to randomly beat 95 with just a sabo, 300 spac and 200 alch. Ended up finishing with a relentless glue, 240 spike storm for ddts and bloon impact. Really wacky run

[@saifwael810]

I just found a new glitch in the new updated and it is pretty broken. when you get geraldo, his rujv potion resets everything in his inventory which includes totems and rujv potion so you can spam so with enough money you can get loads of paragon totems + pls give me a shout out

[@NoamBenshahar]

add frick it counter please

[@zkiller1236]

10:12 asap as possible

[@rickthestarboy]

bro literally said ASAPAP 10:10

[@JustsomeKid93]

BMA losing such huge amounts of money is hilarious, why did ninja kiwi do that are they stupid?

[@Fera-gr5mm]

BMA loses too much gold to be bought early, and costs too much to be bought at 90+. However, since the tiers 3 and 4 are not good for much except for making money, its badness in chimps does not mind much.

[@TheCurrentRacerReal]

I though bma was undisputed best tower path?

[@sade5239]

S.P.O.R.M

[@LoominousShroominous]

looks like isab hasn't played anything past round 200 before

[@Jasmine-yw8pl]

@@LoominousShroominous Lmao you probably haven't looked anywhere but the pop count when judging a tower. BMA sucks late game too

[@LoominousShroominous]

@@Jasmine-yw8pl LMFAO

[@orangebear8317]

Sup pimps

[@BlissBee]

Do they just hate bma and thats why they refuse to make to better

[@averagedreamhater1836]

Ok I found something whiles playing ultra late game. For some reason random towers get the middle path sniper buff. INCLUDING PARAGAONS?!? Somehow my engineer paragon and wizard paragon have the buff logo above them. Idk if it’s a visual glitch or not. Weirder is that i can’t re create it in sandbox. Could someone test it?

[@julymorris6367]

Theres an entire meme on the subreddit because of this bug and its literally just people posting things like "why does my cat have elite sniper buff" or anything else funny

[@fonknerdinkerbootle8987]

Is it me or does ISAB sound a little like NileRed

[@bigbadundeaddaddy]

I think a final harmonic would be crazy in the BMA run, with the glue its so crazy

[@SkrubsTheNeko]

Why wont they buff BMA?

[@Ianthegreatest]

Nice

[@popy922]

only real people knows this video was once privated before

[@evanharris2902]

Fr

[@seductive_fishstick8961]

Sporm is NOT a good acronym 💀

[@ogoemtojestesmuem7708]

In S P O R M we trust

[@existentialGrassGrazer11111]

Only ogs will know that he uploaded the vid twice 😂🎉

[@Bontrixxx]

Sporm is crazy 💀

[@HopefulOyster-xr8ws]

Why he not playing on update 44.0

[@cqnrad]

anyone ever tell you you sound like nilered?

[@lcpowell-ih6is]

Challenge idea: You pick 2 letters from the alphabet, and choose 1 tower that corresponds to each of those letters. Try to do a 2TC while using both of the monkey towers that you chose.

[@jojotv9383]

Super strange, this BMA. Tier 3 and 4 make you money, and Tier 5 loses your money. What a downgrade.

[@Everest111]

Sporm

[@olie567]

running low on ideas?

[@Koamoments]

Aint no way this man called the tower that got more pops than my tier 100 navarch which had a 120 wave head-start a terrible tower

[@m4rcyonstation93]

Okay, what is the bma actually contributing? It's not helping bad damage, obviously. It helps with zomgs, but any decent lategame setup does not care about zomgs (cuz of stall, and pierce is basically a non issue). Only thing it really does is qol lag. It's not going to make a difference in any lategame setup

[@ghostly2.3]

Isab again

[@LeDani1301]

only OG's will remember "Is The BMA Really That Awful?"

[@circumplex9552]

7:18 WYSI

[@LoominousShroominous]

get a better joke

[@circumplex9552]

@@LoominousShroominous no

[@G384Gaming]

I think that the mermonkey would've actually been a really good tower for the BMA thing Edit: sorry forgot to specify that I meant in the context of if this was post mermonkey

[@munchlacks2900]

Yeah bottom path would’ve let the solver shred

[@G384Gaming]

@@munchlacks2900 not only the solver but alch too a little bit

[@bubbleeater7192]

This is a reupload before update 44

[@G384Gaming]

@@bubbleeater7192 yeah I figured with no unlocked mermonkey in sight and with the comments talking about it

[@CoconutOrNot_]

Nope it sucks with alck, purely because alch damage sucks

[@lanewolf6012]

Could you beat chimps if you started with a bma?

[@evanharris2902]

Reupload go brrrr

[@owentheking04]

Hello

[@toddmet1221]

Wait till you get BMA in a super late game fr it has more pops than my buccaneer Paragon and Ace paragon put together and they're both paragons 100 its bad with money but it's great for late game damage since it's infinitely scaling

[@CoconutOrNot_]

@@toddmet1221 it's sucks lategame

[@MasterlyRex8789]

No that doesn’t make it good. The objectively best late game towers are those that deal with BADs. Everything else can be infinitely slow stalled to the point of being non issue.

[@toddmet1221]

@@CoconutOrNot_ how it has the most pops out of everything it takes all the small things down so your Towers that do better Dps to bads can do their job and as soon as the bad is popped it pops everything inside immediately

[@toddmet1221]

@@MasterlyRex8789 exactly that's why you should have the balloon Master alchemist to destroy everything else so your towers can focus on the bads my BMA has the most pops out of everything and that's because it does the most work out of everything of course alone it would be useless but when you're ultra late game you're not going to have that alone

[@CoconutOrNot_]

@@toddmet1221 @toddmet1221 first of all, bma does NOT deal with everything other than bads, as it completely whiffs ddts, making it useless against the 2nd greatest threat. The issue with bma is the fact that you don't NEED something to instakill zomgs because stuns and stalls exist. Bloon crush superstorm and impale do an infinitely better job at destroying non bads than bma, since they are perfectly consistent and also have perfect ddt denial. Basically, anything that's not a bad will not move, meaning that you can set everything to first and you will be perfectly fine

[@n8moolenaar860]

why change the title? I got 2 notifications lol

[@thelawlessone666]

Man I feel like the minority cause I love that tier 5😂

[@nyonemura5708]

Do bma half cash

[@Stickmon_]

nice reupload

[@Starg4zin]

Who watched b4 the reupload?