Light vs Salem - Ultimate Singles: Top 64 Losers Round 3 - Genesis 7 | Fox vs Shulk, Hero

[@oliverbrookeirl]

I love how during this intense gameplay, KK is just singing “peepepopopopeeeepopepopoopeeee” in the background 😂😂😂 it never gets old on this stage

[@MrGokufan100]

light literally learned the matchup midset LMAOO

[@diegoquinones6079]

every top 20 player if not more can do that

[@sharsasuke01]

Thats top player adaptation.

[@sorinnoctis652]

@diego rip darkwizzy lol.

[@kayden2119]

Russel Asuncion yeah that’s kinda how the game works

[@lightspeedbeast]

Yeah it’s so cool to see, MkLeo’s adaptations especially

[@germanazurin1501]

Yo that Kaboom and Snooze on Light was crazy. Hero was all like Fox, you gotta take a rest

[@joshua_krieger]

I've never seen Salem smile so much. Look at him between matches 10:45

[@fep1023]

That Snooze on the Fox Illusion was one of the funniest interactions I've ever seen in this game.

[@jimniexperience3591]

most slept on set of the tourney

[@funstorm1789]

still sleeping

[@Rhy2412TitanGamer]

Salem is really showing what Hero is capable of. Props to Light for learning the MU so fast.

[@tylertanner5853]

I just love watching Light play. Win or lose, his reads, parries and tech chases are the best out there.

[@nible8055]

Not gonna lie Salems hero is very entertaining to watch

[@zn6632u]

Nible thank you i appreciate your honesty

[@slippy318]

Are you the Nible from Smash Flash?

[@nible8055]

@@slippy318 yes why you ask

[@slippy318]

@@nible8055 I watched 1 of your sets on stream the other day you're sick dude.

[@nible8055]

@@slippy318 thx dude

[@deuce219]

Bro that was one of the best hero play I ever seen. Good on Salem even with the L

[@MrBankaikenshin]

Light was like Hit from Super when improving in a battle lmao

[@thekingbradable]

I'm willing to forgive Salem for his bs only because his Hero is so nice lol. Really fun to watch.

[@alextl10]

yeah tbh lol im such a hater of Salem attitude but his Hero is so creative and efficient sometimes

[@RH-zc2sl]

Alessandro Torres fr hahah hes really toxic and a lot of it is uncalled for but you gotta respect him as a player 🤟🏻

[@jessiem.8301]

What the hell? Leffen is more toxic than him. Seems more like everyone jumped on the "salem is toxic" train just because they didnt do the research to see what all transpired. Salem is actually a pretty nice guy. Sure he looks goofy as fuck, lol, but sorry that bullshit was started by leffen. And then when he attacked the melee community, they got all in their feelings. Like it's just words and opinions get over it. Lol.. "I'm willing to forgive him because his game play".. ppl can be so ridiculous. 😂😂

[@Intothemind]

Yeah his hero is pretty hype not gonna lie, he did some crazy cool stuff here. But as Coney said, problem with Hero is it's so hard being consistent a whole set with him given the RNG factor, no wonder Light had time to adapt and win last game convincingly.

[@davidp6925]

@@jessiem.8301 I thought all Leffen did to 'start' the beef was that he said Snake was bad while making a tier list early on the meta and Salem jumped on Leffen and the entire Melee community? I see why people dislike Leffen but as far as why Salem is hated I think he brought it all on himself with no one else to blame 100%

[@FabulousJejmaze]

One of the most entertaining sets of the year! Salem’s Hero is so hype!

[@Arnankhan]

8:32 It's dirty how he put Fox to sleep so he couldn't recover.

[@voltingmaster5458]

This is why Salem is the only real competitive Hero.

[@mvick4198]

Salem's trash

[@mvick4198]

@@eexey4676 hes so bad

[@pokzer2804]

Andy S lmao ok

[@beebster_v1]

I have seen Parappa doing some serious work with hero, but idk how recent that was

[@obamaorb7426]

@@mvick4198 You're not just wrong, you're stupid

[@grantmnelson]

“hero doesn’t have vertical kill options” buffed utilt and uthrow would like a word

[@luckymanx2978]

Ik Up tilt is strong, but how strong is up throw with only one buff

[@gilbertguerrero2916]

Lucky Man X I think that with both psyche up and oomph combined without pummeling, it kills from like 100 against the majority of the cast.

[@alfonshedstrom9859]

Pizza throw upthrow

[@jessetucker3997]

@@gilbertguerrero2916 150 with only psych up. Around 130 with both buffs. You might be able to kill a Pichu or Jigglypuff at 100, though.

[@gilbertguerrero2916]

Jesse Tucker yessir.

[@pendalink]

the shine landing cancel to bait an approach and finish the set godammmmnnnn light!!

[@thegoat-sg5hg]

Bruh this ain’t melee he just jumped after landing 😂😂😂😂

[@mmurd]

tf did he cancel man just jumped

[@powerpc127]

20:45 "I'm smart enough to drop out" is probably the wisest thing I wish I heard when I was in high school.

[@PurpleFreezerPage]

The parries are insane. What kinds of practice get him that good?

[@marche800]

Setting Ken or Ryu to Nuetral B in training mode is a good way to get down the timing especially if you run towards them

[@Aresftfun]

wait is dave's rule not in genesis ultimate or something? can Salem go back to town and city like that?

[@PurpleFreezerPage]

I think the commentators are minimizing the hero player’s skill a little. Before any angry replies, I really do mean a little.

[@phoebeaurum7113]

Seems like Hero's strength is in managing downtime and choosing the best spell for the job. When he's out of mana and is forced to use normal attacks he's really weak against fast characters ran by players who don't rush face.

[@mrmwm5446]

Salem is the best Hero, but I feel like the Acceleratle use is shaky. It's a safe move but there's definitely some untapped potential there.

[@AB-sw4kb]

Acceleratle is great to chase down opponents, especially offstage, but Fox's small body and quick movement makes it hard to get it to work properly.

[@drunkpanda_1]

salem was trolling in that last game lmao

[@bradleypeterson3126]

Is the dair into upsmash true for fox?

[@stealthyshadow567]

I think it is but it may be inconsistent

[@jdrmanmusiqking]

Salem's Shulk is painful to watch. His snake was a thing of beauty idk why he dropped Michael Bay the character

[@manligi9701]

Snake fox is horrendous. He also just may not like the character much

[@wintermute6729]

Laughed out loud at 8:32

[@JB_CY]

Salem hero vs rushdown is so inspiring

[@dissonancetlrm]

I look on my dokkan battle screen for 5 seconds, and suddenly light is at 80!

[@douglasdiggins8296]

Im not a fan of Hero, but god damn thats some interesting gameplay. I notice that he never uses the higher levels of neutral b, side b and up b (if it can be avoided), very interesting playstyle.

[@rtiq270]

They take too long to charge against such an aggressive character.

[@douglasdiggins8296]

@@rtiq270 yeah but he didnt even charge fireball at distance to use later... I honestly think he did this to conserve mana more than anything.

[@rtiq270]

@@douglasdiggins8296 Full neutral B is also way too risky against a character with a reflector, since it comes out slow. There's also better things he could be doing at a distance, like searching for Oomph or Psyche up.

[@marche800]

The fully charged Nuetral and Side B are too committal and cost too much to go for unless you absolutely know they are going to hit. Uncharged those moves are still extremely useful so 9/10 you'd go for the first two variants. Up B is a little different, you only go for fully charged if you're trying to hit someone below you or you are super far below stage as it's not really necessary to spend all that time and mp every time you recouver. Also the second level of Up B actually has the best horizontal movement so if you are recovering laterally you'd usually got for that. The weakest variant is for speed or escape options

[@willycheez7218]

@@marche800 That's actually a myth. He moves faster horizontally with the second charge but he goes less distance. It's just worse overall compared to the highest charge

[@JB_CY]

This is inspirational as a hero player

[@Riversofash]

da Salem Hero?!

[@FabulousJejmaze]

yeeeeeees 🤤

[@thelordoftheweebs9501]

Not enough research

[@theomarcot4164]

Damn what a funny and original joke that I never saw before !

[@seansolo3583]

T guess you didn’t research enough if you haven’t seen it before

[@theomarcot4164]

@@seansolo3583 guess you need to research sarcasm

[@seansolo3583]

T the irony, it hurts me, I’m dying

[@seansolo3583]

T in case you don’t understand, I was being sarcastic, it’s very obvious you’re just one of those people that doesn’t enjoy the research joke and likes to make snide comments instead of just going about your day

[@QuiteDan]

Salem: *I NEED A HERO*

[@venomyami9197]

i havent followed the smash scene that much recently so im sort of curious. isnt hero banned from competetive tournaments?

[@herooTakezo]

only in a few regions, but in most of them is playable

[@meterothecrow6270]

The most valid reason is the language barrier however you can use the mp cost

[@kevinnguyen8631]

Mictlan MP cost doesn’t help when you can’t read the other options or react to what move comes out

[@meterothecrow6270]

@@kevinnguyen8631 So these competitive players can't be asked to do some research

[@kevinnguyen8631]

Mictlan Even if they do their reaction would still be slower than someone who could read English, but it really doesn’t matter at the end of the day. If they want to ban then ban. If they don’t then don’t. It doesn’t affect us

[@QuiteDan]

Why does everyone always play that hero skin?

[@neonkyojin5620]

Trunks

[@willycheez7218]

@@neonkyojin5620 Who?

[@bardw.1542]

Coney's analogies!

[@krazyzyko]

Should have switched to snake or Link after Light adapted to the gimmicks.

[@ericdragoification]

Fox stage control was so much better than hero stage control

[@cheers9430]

Yes because fox is a better character.

[@sergioajbs1840]

Hero loses = Happiness +

[@EdeYOlorDSZs]

S C H L E E P

[@LComplexOw]

Salem rng vs Light skills

[@sharsasuke01]

The overlay for the melee matches are better.

[@jessiem.8301]

Come on salem...smh

[@djnewbwrecka8462]

bruh im pretty sure he has a snake haha but i havent seen it and i dont think its warmed up hahahaha

[@weilzudope]

why cant this game have proper dashdancing

[@thelegendarycaboose9193]

The second match reminded me of when protobanham beat light

[@NinjaPickups]

I did my research Salem was gonna lose

[@DKMRFCBrlz]

Salems bayo in game 5 would have gotten the win

[@RamzaBeoulves]

Holy sh*t his Hero is leagues above the others Just making that character look viable takes mad skill.

[@JoshT4life]

All hero mains deserve an L

[@deoxxys]

Wheressss My Boi TEAAA

[@TheSquirrelbeast]

He probably was playing at Evo Japan

[@Erik-ny1uz]

Laifus in the chat what’s good love love love

[@edgarl1837]

Bam looks slaty af lmaooo

[@nofatchxplzthx]

its clear salem was carried by bayonetta so much

[@DGSnowolf]

salem was the best brawl player on random or all chars. Everyone was certainly carried by Bayo but its not like salem isnt a top 15 player

[@melo7038]

Salem has no answer to rushdown especially fox, who is complete bs. Hero fox is a horrible MU and same with Shulk. Only snake has a salvageable mu against fox, but Salem's snake isn't at a high enough level for it to work

[@pmarley9519]

Literally just stopped watching after 6:39

[@iMrAsono]

P Marley that’s that quick play Taco Bell WiFi setup play

[@MAlru005]

??

[@moonsys]

dont care. didnt ask.

[@kayden2119]

P Marley Because Light just let himself be hit by it?

[@sergioajbs1840]

Don't worry Hero suck.

[@lil-tater]

Hero is so whack

[@emissarygw2264]

In the words of leffen... "if you're playing mkleo and you know you're worse, you can just pick hero and hope you get lucky" LOL

[@zerimas_]

EmissaryGW2 Did you watch Salems hero ? The guy was not playing with luck.

[@emissarygw2264]

@@zerimas_ lol ya, just thought it was funny cause leffen said that in a video like the day before and we all know they got beef. Although at 8:07 he did get a lucky crit from center stage and 8:30 was 'lucky' that he got a snooze (though takes some skill to recognize and take advantage)

[@Tartiris1]

Salem sucks with shulk ngl

[@stealthyshadow567]

This is the first time I’ve seen him play him, he probably just started picking up the character but yeah, that first game hurt to watch

[@NaughtyPigMario]

he beat dabuz with shulk before

[@jinyboi]

Ultimate had more views than melee

[@RamzaBeoulves]

Point being?

[@kadenmaguglin392]

bro why is every single match on that one same stage with the moving platforms? that seems like dogshit for competetive

[@smely9082]

The loser of the match gets to pick the stage if i’m not mistaken. And there is no rng to the moving platforms; they always happen at certain times on the timer. Players can do creative stuff with them.

[@kadenmaguglin392]

smely gocha.. just weird cause i almost only saw this stage and Pokémon stadium during the tournament today. The music is insufferable lol

[@smely9082]

Kaden Maguglin lol yeah there’s only a few legal stages and certain characters shine on specific ones

[@karatejohny1253]

They played on PS2 Smashville and T&C

[@ssbmgameri5iti]

honestly, i think they should say jesus christ more

[@Reapehify]

How about you calm it down with the "JESUS CHRIST!" No need to swear, man. Keep it professional.

[@esbluetheprototype]

when did jesus christ become a swear phrase? you know that wasnt even his name lol

[@Reapehify]

@@esbluetheprototype simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profanity The more you know. Just because you live in a secular society, doesn't make it any less profane to do.

[@ssbmgameri5iti]

ok boomer

[@chumbud]

@@Reapehify we live in a society

[@Reapehify]

@@chumbud "ok boomer"