Buddy Rich vs. Matched Grip

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[@blargimded]

Traditional grip: the drum way

[@DeBoltDrummingShorts]

Bro you know that interview by heart 😩😂

[@stephensmith6790]

If you're playing a strapped on snare only...

[@jordanposnik6663]

@@stephensmith6790nope!

[@mlspro6234]

I was not aware there were Buddy Rich memes, good to know.

[@NympoGaming]

His grip is unmatched to this day.

[@salt3613]

LMAOOoOOoOoOOOOOOOOooOOooo a current medium of exchange in the form of coins and banknotes; coins and banknotes collectively: I counted the money before putting it in my wallet | he borrowed money to modernize the shop. • (moneys or monies) formal sums of money: a statement of all moneys paid into and out of the account. • the assets, property, and resources owned by someone or something; wealth: the college is very short of money. • financial gain: the main aim of a commercial organization is to make money. • payment for work; wages: she accepted the job at the bank since the money was better.

[@cube_control]

​@@salt3613 agreed

[@darkknightenberg]

​@@salt3613mhm

[@paulrichmond9720]

😂

[@vincentquattrocchi7924]

No one has surpassed his left hand technique ,Speed,Finesse to this day 5/28/22

[@lucacutillidrums]

Mike Mangini would argue on that

[@JC-zt6qv]

Greyson Nekrutman has

[@babyaveryplays4days777]

@@JC-zt6qv no but he’s close

[@alexjackson8841]

They absolutely have. In his day his skill and influence made him stand out so hard compared to everyone else but in the modern era he’d be just another great drummer, not the absolute pinnacle of drumming ability. It’s the same with a lot of things people like the nostalgia and influence that their heroes have, no one likes to admit that there’s guys sitting in front of a camera on KZbin at the same level as their old heroes

[@vincentquattrocchi7924]

Ok Alex, name some drummers that have a better left hand as in speed,finesse, dynamics, accuracy etc. Among many other aptitudes , That Buddy had.

[@mikekelly9851]

Buddy Rich is on video as a young man and older man and at times he also played matched grip.

[@janjg489]

LET ME HEAR THE DROP IF YOU TEASE ME THAT WAY

[@ManOfThePeople75]

Buddy Rich is the Chuck Norris of drummers.

[@jimo3173]

I'd say the Bruce Lee of drumming.

[@darkknightenberg]

​@@jimo3173nah.. bruce lee is the buddy rich of movies

[@owen8002]

Buddy rich was dead wrong about trad being better. It’s all up to preference both can essentially achieve the same results

[@liamdempsey7072]

There’s a couple reasons why for buddy’s playing style, it was arguably better. Buddy often played large kits with big floor toms, having the stick at that 35* ish angle to the wrist, gives you greater access to parts of the kit to your right side. Buddy’s signature single stroke roll was also heavily contributed to his ability to play traditional grip. I’d also argue holding the stick from beneath the shaft allows to for a more open tone as there is less tension on the wood. These are all signature elements of what made buddy so great.

[@travisjohnson7065]

@@liamdempsey7072 Nobody plays traditional because it's "better". They only play that way because it was how they were taught, and they got used to it. The only reason it was invented was because it used to be necessary, not for any practical reasons with regard to playing. It used to be tradition to write on papyrus with carved reeds. Just because there are people who did it well doesn't mean it was better or makes any sense today.

[@liamdempsey7072]

@@travisjohnson7065 I’ve just listed multiple reasons why it’s different. And for those reasons it is subjectively better. I was taught match but learned trad because it makes me approach the kit differently. There is different language that comes to mind whilst holding the stick differently. What I’m saying is it ends up sounding different. And buddy wouldn’t be who he was without it.

[@travisjohnson7065]

@@liamdempsey7072There are all sorts of ways you can approach the kit differently. You could mount the drums above you, tilt them down, and play them from below. That would be a different approach with a different feel and sound, but that doesn't make it better or change the fact that it's nonsensical. By the same logic, someone who got used to playing that way would say it is subjectively better, because it's what they are used to. Or they would say it is better because it sounds different, which it may or may not, but it's still just adapting your playing to something unnatural. With traditional, it's unnatural because of the reason it exists in the first place, out of necessity when playing a drum off to the side. Otherwise, nobody would have ever thought to play that way. If it was better, it would have come about on its own, not out of necessity.

[@liamdempsey7072]

@@travisjohnson7065 yeah well I’m not sure the argument was if it is better or worse. Clearly both of capable. I just believe personally that the traditional grip is more applicable then you’d think. Actually in the same way that it was for marching snare. I believe the first iterations of the drum set seen in the early 1900s suit the style of traditional grip better then match. It was more important to have a strong right hand and a soft left. Comping on the snare you certainly are able to play more colourful notes with the left and a strong ride pulse on the right. Like I said in my other comment you have greater reach to the right of the kit also. Do I think you should play math metal traditional grip? Hell no.

[@adam.august]

Can we just agree that they each have different purposes and applications and they're equal? Like traditional is perfect for jazz and bop if you wanna do snare comping, but match grip is better for funk and getting rim shots.

[@buddyrich3875]

Drummers are like cars these days, they all sound the same

[@eddielally2045]

You're just wrong. Listen to more music

[@MattMcGunn30]

Buddy is the Zeus of drumming...

[@ronnyjohnston6039]

Buddy played matched grip as well, videos are out there

[@brandoncaudill6864]

He talks about playing matched grip (on the timpani) during the infamous rant, as well. Many old school jazz drummers used match grip often, traditional was just their primary grip on the kit.

[@U812-]

Buddy also used matched grip..view his early drumming days..he preferred traditional grip tho 🥁 ✌️

[@marttram2183]

I mean, if buddy rich tells a drummer how to do something, it would be best if that drummer listened

[@Wyrdangus]

No lol. He was objectively wrong about matched grip

[@marttram2183]

@@Wyrdangus I primarily use match grip, so I don't disagree. Still, I'm no buddy rich on my kit

[@jasonn668]

The fuck are you talking about? A lot if not all the jazz drummers were still playing traditional, as were a lot of rock drummers during that time period like Ginger Baker, Mitch Mitchell, and Charlie Watts. Besides that, how a drummer prefers to grip his sticks does not make him a better or worse drummer. Duh

[@uneditedlife2208]

It’s a video, calm down

[@它自己可怜的爸爸]

@@uneditedlife2208 drumming is faith and belief for pros...all I can say is that you're a beginner

[@uneditedlife2208]

@@它自己可怜的爸爸 no you’re just paranoid for no reason

[@它自己可怜的爸爸]

@@uneditedlife2208 nothing important on your mind, do you？ live a life like wooden stick

[@uneditedlife2208]

@@它自己可怜的爸爸 calm down lol it’s drumming

[@АртёмГаманов-м5ф]

Buddy Rich=Lord Voldemort

[@williambates-minou]

Hey I’m wondering about that flip you used to transition from traditional to matched grip. Could you break that down?

[@o_Hetti]

I know it’s doom, but which song? I’m srsly asking cuz I forgot the name…Rip and Tear maybe? Man idk someone just tell me pls😂

[@user-bokac]

Whats the riff on this???

[@CoolManDes]

I do both

[@briandriver3915]

There are dummers...and then there's Buddy

[@mikep8182]

I agree!

[@ГлебВасильев-м5з]

Think about Philly Joe Jones

[@publicaccessradio4354]

Lmao!

[@christophermatthews3977]

I like traditional more because I can flip off more easily.

[@420we]

That's so true thoe

[@stonedassassin4229]

so true i’m *ucking dying 😂😂😂😂😂😂⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️⚰️

[@julienpillonca6686]

Buddy also played matchgrip

[@liamdempsey7072]

So I spent first 2 years of my time drumming playing matched as most do, picked up trad after seeking to learn from some of my hero’s. Never looked back. The benefits to having the hand below the stick are enormous. Playing from the snare to the floor Tom i was no longer having to rotate my core. Having a more flexible fulcrum in the left hand has allowed for greater dynamic use of the stick. It’s not always better. But it mostly is.

[@doomentrnal5625]

Ok first thing first they used traditional grip because they had a strap around there shoulder and the drum ended on the left side which was really uncomfortable for drummers so they used traditional to hold the stick better and later in the years the drum is in the center normally and they use a modern grip but people still use it because it just looks good. It doesn’t really matter which grip u chose

[@peteywheatstraws4909]

It's called "traditional grip", and I'm glad i was taught that and rudiments. Matched grip is what a gorilla does when he wants to eat a gazelle out on the Serengeti plains or play drums for "Blink 182".

[@sleeper12207]

Wait, are you saying that anyone playing matches is just basically a gorilla? Yikes man

[@SkiRedMtn]

What a totally stupid comment. Sounds like a dried up, crusty, very insecure person. Plus gorillas are mainly vegetarian, and some also eat insects. Not gazelles. But I’ve heard they do get upset when someone suggests holding their sticks a different way… 🤔

[@travisjohnson7065]

Right, it's called traditional because that's the only reason it exists: tradition. The only reason it was invented was because it used to be necessary. Now it is unnecessary and nonsensical, and the only reason you or anyone else plays it is because you got used to the way you were taught. And the only reason your teachers taught you that way is because it was how they were taught. A long line of people who can't think for themselves.

[@o_Hetti]

Nevermind, found it :D

[@patjean8038]

cool .... continue to encourage the quick learning and to be closed mind to the history of the drum. Do you listen your laziness ? Go to see and learn from Todd Sucherman . he show you what is the real educated drummer . :)

[@dmitriyzhurba7958]

What is track playing?

[@tdias04]

Buddy Djent in the 60s

[@Nightwalker_457]

Buddy rich is the best drummer THE DRUM WAY RULES

[@mattdamico1526]

Lol, even Buddy used matched grip from time to time. Traditional grip was used because it originated from military marching drums as there was no way one could hit the drum cleanly without changing the grip. Other than that there is no reason why a “marching” grip is needed.

[@cherrypepsi2815]

It's literally just comfort and technique. If your snare is positioned and mounted a certain way, traditional grip might make more sense.

[@mattdamico1526]

@@cherrypepsi2815 yes, but it’s not just about the snare position, toms particularly multiple toms also play a factor. I taught myself match after I purchased a 6pc double mounted tom kit in ‘73. It was easier with match.

[@cherrypepsi2815]

@@mattdamico1526 that's true

[@hartwellheisenberg1179]

Ginger Baker

[@stephensmith6790]

He at times played match grip.

[@tbone8358]

Buddy Rich was right. Goated. Good video. Doom Eternal. Goated.

[@musicisthecure6934]

I control the push pull technique with traditional grip

[@edellis515]

traditional!!!!!!!!!!

[@aceroct4025]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@jackiee777]

Let’s be honest, I use traditional grip bcuz it is very easy and not rlly comfortable to use but still use it anyway. Matched grip is just like using timpani and probably for toms and cymbals, but when it is for the whole drumset, yeah you gotta use traditional grip. *The drum way.*

[@SkiRedMtn]

Reread your first sentence. AND! Most of your drum kit is toms and cymbals, genius.

[@roberthaizlip4057]

I don't get it

[@badwave]

**hhhhhhhhhhhh**

[@marc2397]

Traditional

[@francinaldonogueira7813]

Você quer ser meu irmão?

[@melvinwafula2219]

What song is that?

[@pedrocanicas5291]

This

[@raynorsun9849]

Doom theme ik

[@La_sagne]

"buddy rich traditional grip theme" by the Buddy Rich Big Djent

[@gusgerasis]

Doom Eternal- The Only Thing They Fear Is You

[@karllager2214]

Learn both. Play both. Different techniques for different thangs

[@SkiRedMtn]

Wrong. Unless you’re walking with a snare drum on your hip, traditional grip is pointless. No modern drum kit player has any reason to use traditional. Full stop

[@carlbergevin8376]

A good drummer - maybe even great - but he sucked at drum history. The so-called traditional grip comes from field/military drumming where the drum is slung over a shoulder and tilted to one side. This made it almost impossible to use a matched grip with any facility. Buddy Rich thought everything he did was the right way - he was a pain in the ass to work with.

[@brandoncaudill6864]

While it's true traditional grip came from marching drums (which I'm sure Buddy knew) the inverse is true for the drum kit. The classic kit setup was designed around using traditional grip. So it's fair to think using traditional grip on the kit is the "right" way to do it, because that's what the kit was designed to accommodate. All that said, just use whichever grip you prefer (or reconfigure your kit so the snare is in the middle, which plenty of modern players do).

[@justindimaria6867]

Traditional grip has no real value and only worsens your wrist movement 🤨

[@iknowthatsrite6009]

***Mr. Buddy Rich, The GOD of Drumming***

[@OneDrumOfficial1]

He hated matched 😂 low key why I never really liked him. Huge ego and refused to acknowledge the benefits of matched lol this is a funny video tho!

[@marttram2183]

Buddy was as pro at drums as it gets

[@iknowthatsrite6009]

He is the Best of All Time.

[@aaronstehle9403]

Clearly he knew what he was talking about and disliked it for a reason

[@cherrypepsi2815]

Notice how all three of these people have clearly never played the drums, yet they're trying to lecture others on why "buddy rich is better!!! owo!!!" Guys. Traditional grip and matched grip have absolutely no benefits over each other. If your snare is mounted a certain way, it's just easier to play trad. For every other orientation, it's easier to play matched. It's COMFORT and PREFERENCE. Buddy Rich was a huge hypocrite. Most of his solos were played in matched grip. You all are idiots.

[@flowerlandofjohn]

However: In 1948 he played matched grip! 😳😂 kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6fTk35jhMuesNksi=PtEUmdEG5-_qRv5y

[@nexdrums]

Both depending on what you need to play

[@woodydrum]

I’m gonna say something controversial and it may start a public backlash/outrage… TRADITIONAL GRIP SUCKS (for me personally). IT’S GOOFY. I’m not saying it’s bad i’m saying i think it’s uncomfortable

[@DeBoltDrummingShorts]

valid

[@woodydrum]

@@DeBoltDrummingShorts +1 sub for you

[@zackstump5425]

I don’t care who you are, if you play your drums on the floor or stack your drums on top of one another to store them, you must hate drums

[@MadCritter]

I mean, nothing wrong with stacking them. Heads are durable and designed to be stretched and it’s the most efficient way to store a kit you’re not using.

[@owen8002]

Nothing wrong with stacking drums

[@TanMann23]

it’s almost like heads are replaceable. how else would you store them?

[@isopropyltoxicity]

They literally do that at music stores. Not everyone can afford cases

[@JackNJazz_]

Whats the name of the red robe?

[@domodomon]

バディリッチに関してはグリップがどうこうではなくバディリッチが凄すぎたってだけの話。 バディ自身たまにマッチドグリップで叩くし。

[@Snavels]

This seems to imply traditional grip fell out of favor until Rich came along, which just really isn't true. The traditional grip was still well in fashion among jazz drummers, drummers like Gene Krupa and Chick Webb in all likelihood very much influenced his style and techniques.

[@coyotegraysr]

Ginger Baker 😊

[@jongallardo8006]

I see no reason to handicap yourself using traditional grip for todays modern drummer . Everything that’s supposedly better using traditional (fitness , ghost notes etc. ) I can do just fine with matched .

[@cherrypepsi2815]

Lets be real, buddy rich is not the god of drumming, his ego was just massive There are so many better drummers. Bill Bruford, Akira Jimbo, I would even say Neal Peart was better

[@Eleutherarch]

As nice a man as he was, Peart wasn't close to the other drummers you mentioned.

[@Robin_loves_metal.]

Were you rushing or were you dragging

[@DanielStaufferDrums]

what's the song?

[@JackNJazz_]

The doom eternal theme

[@realitykicksin8755]

Dafnis Prieto

[@Knome-Ansland]

He invented Djent too? I thought he just played drums

[@mydixienormous5746]

Traditional grip on my penis just doesn’t work but I’m sticking to it

[@mookyyzed2216]

There's no contest. Buddy vs anyone, with any grip, no contest.

[@ledhed5717]

all the marching tenors enter the chat……uh wait a minute Buddy.

[@aytonkaleb]

Digital sparkle.

[@orlandojunior7835]

GOAT

[@kkupsky6321]

I. Fucking love. It. I love it.

[@FLdrums]

😂😂hey debolt its fred👋

[@DeBoltDrummingShorts]

Hey Fred 😂

[@ianrose6514]

Match grip is ok if you are playing timpani

[@brudzool]

buddy rich is overrated.