Hesco 4800, NIJ Level IV / NIJ 07 RF3

[@Halal_Dan]

The madman actually did it

[@BuffRANGE]

Stacking PE and ceramic over here :)

[@StriderCZ]

It seems like plates that push the 5lb threshold are more susceptible to velocity variances. It's interesting to see that the Hesco 4800 rumors are true. If that weight makes more difference, I'd say that the 4601 plate is arguably better for the weight to protection. I do have to speculate if the rear-facing foam being reduced slightly in favor of more PE or ceramic material would make a difference with the ammo spec variances.

[@JoeyOutlaw]

Matt you deserve so many more subscribers it’s insane. I cannot figure out why you dont have more other than KZbin is shadow banning you

[@BuffRANGE]

Maybe I’m too data and not enough flash? Or maybe it’s the name ? Maybe I should just change to “The Range”

[@Nach0s187]

@@BuffRANGEdon’t change it people will notice soon

[@Nach0s187]

@@BuffRANGEMany have complained that most KZbinrs are losing the “data” and being too goofy and “flash.” Your channel fits that need once people get tired of not learning the facts, which many KZbinrs have strayed away from. Not that it’s terrible, but it’s certainly not as educational but please keep up the quality. It's great for us younger generation gun owners just learning

[@embpilot]

Unrelated to the plates, it's nice to see the whole family involved on the channel!

[@BuffRANGE]

Indeed. I try to spend as much time with them as possible. :D

[@yzhou05]

A little disappointing that one of the M2AP rounds went through, I suppose confirms that Hesco plates are built to meet spec with very little “overpressure” tolerance. For the weight savings I think it’s still worth it for me, but some others obviously don’t agree.

[@BuffRANGE]

Spot on. If you look at their M2AP spec on the plate it's 2,900 fps. That's technically 10 fps BELOW the actual variance for M2AP, and it would appear they mean it. But if you wanted the lightest LVL IV possible with edge to edge, this might be it for now..

[@Supercereal4]

I live in Texas, I commonly get velocities greatly over published velocities just due to the temperature. This has gotta be a no go for me

[@BuffRANGE]

@@Supercereal4but the thing to remember is no one’s 1903 or m1G is going to hit 2880 with a surplus load ;) 😊

[@blackberet9997]

I can't imagine they'll be the only ones making edge to edge lightweight level 4 for terribly long, seeing what ADEPT has been up to

[@nsf001-3]

It's probably something to do with the curve affecting the integrity of the plate. I think flatter plates are safer even if they're maybe not as comfortable

[@SH-vi8iw]

I run the LVC version of these plates and they are super super thin. I mean like .8 inches thick or even less. It is pretty unreal. Slightly more than a BZ plate i.e. 6450. I think the reg 4800 just has more foam and this plate is meant to be an upgrade to the SOCOM SPEAR series. Your other video with the gen 5 showed that m2AP BTFOs that thing but this plate "should stop it" but sometimes might not if the velocity is fast enough to get past that V50 mark. So if you think of it as a special threat plate that can stop M2AP at contact "non CQB" distances with low caliber tungsten "m995"esque coverage it makes sense. Not gonna lie these things are way more comfy when running around as in 8k sprints compared to the super thick swiss-pap adept plates. I personally own all the plates mentioned above and that is my opinion after living with them for some time.

[@BuffRANGE]

The 4800LV is next week :)

[@yzhou05]

Yo man, you sprint 8km? :p

[@SH-vi8iw]

I exaggerate a bit sometimes :( a smedium speed run is probably more accurate.@@yzhou05

[@ntxtwenty6]

Rumor mil was that Hesco designed the 4800 for the ESAPI Rev G contract, which would explain it stopping M995 but not M993. Additionally, ESAPI speqs for M2AP are 2880, if I recall correctly, which would also fall in line with these results, as well as the fact that the 4800 is one of a few commercially available plates that meets ESAPI weight reqs. Given that modern ESAPI's are standalone low end, ICW high end plates, i'd be willing to bet that the M2AP core that penetrated plate #1 might have been stopped in a IIIA backer, which would also align with DoD testing procedures.

[@BuffRANGE]

IIRC for the ESAPI, M2AP first shot only is 3,000 fps then subsequent shots at 2,850 +- 50. I could see this plate conforming to those standards with ICW backer..

[@wagnerfamily4229]

Great review and nice plate construction.

[@BuffRANGE]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@surgetsann]

I'd really like to see the low vis version of this plate drop tested in a carrier like the jpc/spc/LV119 starting with a full placard/admin pouch, empty placard/admin pouch, and then slick. Obviously it would fail a NIJ drop with no foam, but i really want to see how it would hold up in a more realistic fall.

[@triggerbarPhD]

This is awesome testing

[@derekmayette8352]

Could you try out gs armor or Gillian technical armor. For the price and what I’ve seen they are a no brained to buy other than the weight of them. I’ll even buy a set and send to you.

[@Nach0s187]

Got these for myself, thanks for this video, now I know they are good quality and I can trust them

[@BuffRANGE]

No problem 👍

[@saucywings]

That’s not exactly true. I personally own hescos but they have had recalls, NIJ failures, and tons of quality control issues with m80 pass through within 2 hits due to the heat treating process. I’d look into that.

[@BuffRANGE]

@@saucywings What model failed after 2 hits of M80?

[@Nach0s187]

@@saucywingsany link to this, I would appreciate being able to look into this

[@Nach0s187]

@@BuffRANGEexcellent question, I haven’t heard of this with Hesco before

[@ketononeill8898]

Holy crap these are expensive 😳 great video as always, brother!

[@ketononeill8898]

How come there's just a large gap between say AT ARMOR and Trex Arms? There's a 1k difference in price.

[@TacoTory556]

​@@ketononeill8898 i think AT price is per plate which as Trex arms is a a pair, could be wrong but i assume that's why

[@BlakeJoy]

​@@ketononeill8898yeah trex arms is for the pair

[@ShastaBean]

Saw the price and without even pausing for a moment, my reaction was "RUH ROH RAGGY!"

[@BuffRANGE]

Very!

[@sw_tower8530]

On the API rounds, have you done any study or noticed any of the plates seeming to delaminate faster? It seems on the plates that you hit with the T14's first, will typically fail on a 2nd round impact. just a super subjective observation but something I found intresting enough to share. Awesome content as always.

[@KOBRAHEADSPORTS]

If you had to personally choose, RMA IV or HESCO 4601? Thanks

[@BuffRANGE]

Which RmA level Iv? 1192 > 4601 ~ 1165 > 1155

[@KOBRAHEADSPORTS]

​@@BuffRANGEThank you. I just subscribed as well.

[@BuffRANGE]

@@KOBRAHEADSPORTS Thank you. That means a lot to me.

[@Jonatantarkov]

One piece theme at 5:53?

[@BuffRANGE]

;) Yes sir

[@jamfd3s788]

Any chance of doing the 4600s? Would be nice to compare the heavier but more affordable option especially against the similarly priced adept lvl 4 offering.

[@BuffRANGE]

I tested the 4601 a few weeks ago.

[@jamfd3s788]

@@BuffRANGE i apologize I completely missed it

[@CesarGonzalez-pd2ov]

You should test the hesco 4400 lvl 4 plates and compare them with the 4800 series hescos

[@BuffRANGE]

If a vendor or Hesco will send me some then by means I will.

[@CesarGonzalez-pd2ov]

@@BuffRANGE rma has clips of you on their ads in. Their website. I’m surprised they haven’t got in touch with you . Especially since they came out with their 1165 light weight level4 plate

[@BuffRANGE]

@@CesarGonzalez-pd2ov I ask them every time for new product and I am shunned :(

[@blykoger]

Adept for half the price, higher protection and only a pound heavier. Hesco has left me with the opinion of overpriced and unimpressed once again.

[@jay.d.8906]

Yeah, adept/diamond age came almost years and years after this plate, thats like comparing an M4 Sherman to an Abrams. M210 is cheaper and similar to the Mantis plate. Engage thy brain before you take your keyboard off safe.

[@adanpiumpium2613]

​@@jay.d.8906 That does not matter if they are still offering this old overpriced plate without adjusting for new, better market offers If this Hesco plate was no longer being made or sold then your comment would make sense

[@jay.d.8906]

Yeah, you do know hesco has to cover this thing called "Overhead" (pay for the employees and Healthcare insurance and retirement contributions) and people (and organizations) still buy this plate, as tungsten is not common enough to justify a thicker and heavier plate. (Maybe thats why FBI HRT picked it up) And speaking of newer plates, the M210 is nearly 200$ cheaper than the Mantis (Freedomtraders).

[@jay.d.8906]

(As compared to Jake of Adept, who can drive prices lower by being a near 1 person show)

[@chuckfinley3152]

overpriced is overpriced

[@airair862]

Buffman -R.A.N.G.E=❤👏. M - 933 =💪!

[@pewpewTN]

How bad you think the new SS201 is going to be? Probably the same projectile as the Fiocchi 150 round boxes & loaded the same speed as SS197SR.

[@BuffRANGE]

I’d say you win the lottery with that assessment.

[@vasterasjonas1]

JOJOJO Sweden here. Any progres on the NC4-09???

[@BuffRANGE]

They're coming from Poland. I'm not sure how to read the tracking, but they were sent to me on 9/20..

[@vasterasjonas1]

@@BuffRANGE ok i think 4 weeks shipping.

[@derrickkolba]

hesco the governments favorite plate to waste my tax dollars on.

[@yzhou05]

Yeah actually (lol) Hesco plates (even 4800s) are bargain priced compared to other government contract armor ($2-3k per plate for certain Ceradyne /LTC plates).

[@jay.d.8906]

You ever see LTC prices?

[@nsf001-3]

Would expect anything less from those criminals?

[@jay.d.8906]

Uhm, unless you mean the US Govt endless tax and spending, none of the companies in question are actually doing anything malicious. I have products from all of them, they have their own niche markets. The only crime in view is the violation of rhetoric and logic by other dudes in the thread lol.

[@Riname-K]

@@yzhou05 It's actually a bit cheaper for mil contracts because it's purchased in bulk. The high price to commercial/civilian sales isn't without a reason. These plates made for military contracts are made of high end, proprietary materials and especially for bulk purchases with MOQs. It would be a waste to make a single pair of plates at a small profit margin and so the price needs to be high for sales to private individuals. If you've bought anything in bulk before, you'd know that the price per unit in the bulk is cheaper than buying a single unit.

[@bradenjones2825]

Please test redemption tactical LVL 4 ceramic plates! I would love to watch that

[@BuffRANGE]

Redemptions plates are Chinese born, tile array. Performance wise, these are going to perform like LAPG or other imported plates or like the Tactical Xmen Level IV plates. They should be considered budget only.

[@chuckfinley3152]

Buffman > NIJ