Building the Wall vs Pressure & Release...and Answers to Questions

[@Floppy-Ears]

Pat & Deb, Great video, thanks for taking the time to create it, and NO, he’s not the only horse out there like that!

[@kathleenkayk]

What a pleasure to learn the right way to back from @ real trainer! I shudder to think of all the horses "trained" by force. So glad this handsome boy could be helped by you.

[@saltysailor1441]

My dad is a Vietnam veteran bronze star recipient I'm a navy veteran and would be an honor to ride with you sir. I'm in Ellensburg wa. Keep the videos coming sir God bless you and your wife. Thanks for your service 🙏

[@jameslyons1661]

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[@PatnDebPuckett]

@@blaydeshearer5610 I apologize for not seeing your comment sooner. It was hidden under another comment. Have you watched our video about roping a horse if you don’t know how to rope? This would be a good place to start. Please email us direct if you have any questions: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4XQlX16a6uartU

[@racenail9086]

The best explanation of a teaching process I have ever seen on the internet! Thank you very much.

[@dfehr3762]

Thank you Pat. I am a working cowboy. Really really appreciate your instruction on bloat and practical ranching. A game changer for me. Not only are you contributing to the betterment of horses but Cattle as well. Thank you for sharing your experience. You are helping a bunch of us young guys.

[@WesternWandererJM]

Where Poloxalene works best is breaking down the foam in legume (alfalfa) bloat. While i've never had to trocar one, I've used a 5/8" hose (plus Pat's Bloat stick (r) as a Speculum and deflated a bloaty heifer like a balloon. The Chronic bloaters often has respiratory infections that damaged the Vagal nerve so they couldn't belch effectively anymore.

[@CSMOtime]

This man is as real as real can get. Appreciate you man.

[@boughtbybloodhxc]

I just wanted to say thank you for taking the time to make these videos and do what you do. My horsemanship has changed drastically in the last year from your videos and books.

[@davidgregg2778]

I second that . Mine has too . Thank you Pat and Deb .

[@PatnDebPuckett]

That is awesome! Thank you for commenting.

[@emilyburress7375]

I would like to say thank y’all as well. After having a double hip replacement in 2019 I had to find a safe way to start riding again. By luck I found u guys and realized how much I did not know. Pats Philosophy on horse training is priceless. He is truly changing the lives of riders and especially the lives of so many horses with his shared knowledge. God bless

[@guillaumevalat8061]

Some horses - Phil and chinaco maybe, had some good fun behind you! Great video - lots of humor and saavy👍

[@johnhead9148]

@@guillaumevalat8061 I agree the horses in the background put some further training on display. Gray never tried to whirl, paw, nicker, check out to buddy up to the horse activity around him.

[@mariealder4827]

Thank you for explaining the temporary use of your noseband and and also referring to the “dark side” of the dressage world, i.e., flash and dropped nosebands.

[@archeanna1425]

Great camera work. It made it so easy to watch this lesson. It was a joy to watch Gray sort out the message. Thank you so much.

[@philliphosking6729]

Whilst watching this clip my ears pricked up when you produced A Fortunate Life. The author of this great read married my great aunt Evelyn Gibson from Bunbury Western Australia.Its fantastic to see this story has travelled world wide. The family are rapt

[@BillZaspel]

Your skill as a horseman is only surpassed by your skill as a teacher and instructor; both for horses and people. I especially like technique employed in this lesson as basic and really appreciate your patience in the application of the "think-about-it" part of the lesson. Thank you for all that you do to make us all better horse people.

[@marylamb56]

Thank you Pat and Deb 🤔👍🏻😎👌. So much history and purposeful teaching for folks that truly want to learn.

[@tonyaturner7053]

“When captain obvious lands.” ! Another fantastic phrase.. thanks Pat Na Deb. This video is just what was needed. (Hawkesbury Australia )

[@rhythmandblues_alibi]

I am so pleased you have read A Fortunate Life by A B Facey. My dad read that book to me and my brother before bed when we were kids, except the war chapters. I've read it many many times over the years since. It is a true classic and celebrated here in Australia. It is particularly special to me as much of his life was spent in Western Australia where I live. Imagining all the familiar places as they would have been back then is really mind blowing.

[@gaylef3477]

It’s always a pleasure to see your videos, both for the ‘training tips’ and the wonderful stories. You have made the process of understanding horsemanship easier by showing and explaining all the steps. And getting a bit of Dear Abby is a nice extra. Blessings to you both.

[@liamrooney5314]

That was a funny wisecrack Deb made about the bloat stick at the end there. Exellent video. There's a lot of horsemanship in that one task of building the wall. I'll need to watch it more than once.

[@queenB1963]

I read 'A Fortunate Life' out loud to my newly 'blended' family 24 years ago. We spent 6 months exploring Australia & NZ, each with our own story of suffering (my husband's 1st wife had died suddenly, leaving his 2 sons motherless and hollow) Holy cow I stopped feeling sorry for myself after reading A. B. Facey's perspective on life's adventures! Thanks for sharing that tidbit. (and thanks to the anonymous Aussie who sent the book to you!)

[@hershellinnenbringer4058]

Great video l have a horse like Grag. Hello from Missouri. Thanks for everything!

[@valeriehudson7276]

Thank you for showing the "Time-In" and your comment about you "knew at breakfast" the horse would walk backwards That is the best mind set to remember, that your takes will happen and not get impatient/worry about how long it takes . . . please keep doing your videos

[@rcprice8832]

I am in Pahrump Nevada and have been applying your techniques in training my new 11 year old horse that has had no previous training. He is coming along beautifully thanks to you. I hope to meet you sometime and ride. Thank you. RC at the Broken Anvil Ranch

[@homeedconnect]

So great to watch the whole process of getting a horse past a sticky place. Thank you for your helpful explanations and demonstrations. Blessings.

[@dirksimmang]

Another word for what you are doing is "Finesse"... And you are an Expert at it .. Fantastic explanation ... incredible insight... Not sure if "Finesse" can be taught...

[@flenzy]

I remember when my dad used that word in teaching me at age 13 (yep) to drive a standard VW bug. He talked about working the clutch so nicely that no one else even can tell it's not an automatic.

[@kidstuff44555]

Very common problem if you ever get an Off The Track Thoroughbred and try to turn him into a riding horse. In fact, its rare for them not to do this. Nice to see it addressed

[@davidpenn7709]

Hi Pat and Deb.Thank you Pat for your service. My father was a Vietnam veteran US Army,who crossed the divide in 2020.I greatly appreciate the concise way you present the knowledge on stockmanship and true bridle horsemanship for us to digest.Looking forward to seeing the progress with Chinaco as well as the work with older horses. Thanks again for helping men like myself keep true horseman ship alive from Terry, MS.

[@epona9166]

Yes Pat we're absolutely taught to reward the slightest try. And with most horses, esp young ones, I believe that's the way to go. But here's a horse that's not bothered, and has learned the opposite of what he should have. The wall makes so much sense here. It's like cutting to the chase on a horse that can handle it, and it's so interesting to watch him try to figure it out. What a sweet boy! I'm curious what you would have done if he had fought you and gotten visibly upset by the wall approach. Would you have reverted to pressure and release to allow him the space to calm down? You've prob encountered that situation before.

[@Duben-ym5vi]

You are sharing priceless knowledge and I love the dry humor.

[@sarahposey7166]

I enjoy your videos, your humor, stories, wisdom and ranching info, of which I haven't any exposure. Thanks for another great video.

[@Karen-px9wh]

Excellent teaching!! Heartfelt thanks!!

[@ironhorsefarmwi]

Absolutely LOVE this video! I really loved the Wisconsin comment. So often I see milking the reins here. I always learn so much from you.

[@bhagmeister]

I’ve been watching you and your videos for a little while now. You are a great teacher. Thank you. PS: great Ralph Kramden homage.

[@comesahorseman]

Food for thought. Thanks folks. 👍

[@michaelc2509]

Always enjoy listening to you. Easy and clear.

[@nancyallen641]

I started this video and will continue it later. So, far, very helpful. I have a beautiful rescue horse who could be this horse. Thanks so much.

[@RisingSun0203]

He uses such nice style that it reflects in the learning of the horse.

[@mitchellengelhardt3450]

What an absolute gold mine for information in this video. So many fantastic nuggets! Well done!

[@CarvellFenton]

That was a great one! Seeing that transformation in the horse was very cool to watch. And you made me laugh several times too so that works! Thanks again!

[@thecrazzyalle141]

What I wouldn't give to have pat start my mare, this information is great 👍

[@jpthrift9210]

Pat and Deb, thank you for the great video content that y’all post. You are truly helping so many people like me to better their horsemanship, probably more than you’ll ever realize. Your videos are so packed with information and helps immensely. Also, thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience on cattle and ranching as well. Have a nice day.

[@redmare-lyfe]

Thanks a ton for this video. Really helped me bridge some gaps with my mare.

[@kirstenwoods3527]

I love the way you put things into perspective.

[@avarogers4556]

My trainer is Scoot Curtis, he trained under you as a kid and assigned me to watch some of your videos 👋

[@nicolerose708]

I Love Your Wisdom On All These Subjects!! Im Going To See If I Can Find The Book! Thank You!

[@rooirand100]

Thanks Pat & Deb for the videos. There is so much good information in these videos. Solely a trail rider but, have access to an arena in the long winters where i work on the things i find in your videos. It truly has made a big difference in the way i work and the way the horses respond to me. Thank you for everything!! Oh yeah, from Wisconsin!

[@alisonevans7403]

Bwaaaahaha! I want to go to one of your cocktail parties if you all talk about such entertaining things as bloat. Thanks for another great video

[@sherronpaul37]

Love your book list. So interesting. Will be adding to my library. Learning so much from the horses so thank you so very much. You are a man of wisdom and knowledge. Enjoy your channel. 🇨🇦❤️

[@dellefairclough5309]

Wow! So much information - about the cattle - bloat, etc. incredibly valuable to the people who are still working the cattle - and the cocktail parties! Horse learned to back up too:) Always so aware of safety for the horses and cattle:)

[@MrSanteeclaus]

The book sounds interesting. Flat hats normally in the arid country. Unlike the mountains in Montana. Where the snow and rain causes the slope. This is the story I was always told.

[@gallipolo]

Yes flat hats give better sun protection

[@dennislarranaga1992]

Awesome video iam working 2 colts 3 1/2 and 4 yr old you work has helped big time thank you Pat!

[@woogaboogawiththegreenteet8436]

thank you for another great schoolin lesson sir

[@sharoneverall9419]

I love your videos….so informative

[@marjoriephillips7440]

I am fascinated with the videos and stories. I would love to ride with you Pat but I suppose not enough to make it happen. I would likely frustrate you out of your mind, but as you say about the horses you are schooling, you would live. Thank you for the training and the history and the ins and out of working with livestock. M

[@erikavohman1051]

what bit are you using? thanks. love your videos and your charming personality and humor.

[@PatnDebPuckett]

It’s our Missing Link Snaffle: www.thedisciplinedride.com/store

[@pathtopassiveprosperity4433]

Just a question. Why would you not teach the concept of backing on the ground first? Thank you for the lesson, always good to see good horsemen working.

[@PatnDebPuckett]

With this particular horse, it would be a waste of time. He had already been ridden many miles poorly and had learned to lean on the bit and gap his mouth. It isn’t that he didn’t understand how to back up. He just wasn’t connecting riding off of the rider’s body instead of being pulled backwards by force.

[@jonathanberrong8522]

Awesome that is exactly what I have been having to work through with my horse

[@jeffd1919]

Born & raised on a sheep outfit. A Basque man is the strongest, toughest sob I've ever seen!

[@jsmith2287]

Well done my friend. ( Depends on if you like him) classic but so true lol. God bless you and yours

[@nancyallen641]

Hello, sir! Would you consider doing short videos with your insight? Some of these are just too danged long for me to be able to watch in the time I have and I would suspect others have this same problem. You’re awesome in your knowledge and understanding. I appreciate you.

[@jackkrag]

Thanks

[@barbgunness6598]

I am DEFINITELY going to bring up common sense bloat solutions at our Christmas cocktail party!

[@RockinBarBRanch]

Thanks for the practical tips!

[@crystalchavez4576]

I love these videos ❤️

[@skipper9400]

VERY nicely done Hoss !.....I really like the way you can explain what you are doing to the un-edumacated horse folks .....and about roping one or two of the cows hinds...."course it depends on if you like him" HAHAHAHHAAAAAWWWWWWW !! .......OnWard......

[@danfields3341]

Muy Bueno

[@joelhamilton6720]

Are you all at home this winter , we'd love to come meet you some day

[@lyndiepanitz4431]

I love what you do but if I'm honest I watch just as much for the one liners. Coincidentally I have the exact same dressage mirror as u

[@thomasstephens3224]

Hi Pat and Deb. I have a follow-up question regarding the Costal Reins. If the rein portion is 27" how long is the braided part of the romal? Thanks Tom from Joseph Ut.

[@kirkneff2247]

Are you wearing an Akubra “Territory” hat, and if so, how do you like it? I have been wearing Akubras since 1974 and prefer them to Stetsons and Resistols. I need to get a new Akubra soon and am trying to decide which model to get. Thanks

[@PatnDebPuckett]

No. It’s just a Stetson. I wore an Akubra when we were in Australia…Deb

[@fixxpertsemergencyservices4402]

HI UNCLE PAT - A QUESTION WILL THE KRIEKET QUARTER HORSE WORK THE SAME AS YOUR CRICKET SHANK BIT -(THEY LOOK THE SAME

[@fixxpertsemergencyservices4402]

Solid shank quarter horses shank - will appreciate your experience - GERRIE

[@fixxpertsemergencyservices4402]

THEY BOTH GOT THE TONGUE ROLLER - SAME LOCATION ( BUT DIFFERENT) FORM

[@PatnDebPuckett]

@@fixxpertsemergencyservices4402 I would have to see a photo of the bit you’re asking about.

[@sirronmitt]

Pat, I can't see the detail of your noseband. Is it a standard noseband for a tie down? I have a horse that gapes his mouth for bit evasion regardless of the lightness of the pressure (or type of bit). The noseband may work for me.

[@PatnDebPuckett]

It’s an English noseband. We don’t use tie downs. If you haven’t done so already, check the horse’s teeth before you do anything else.

[@sirronmitt]

@@PatnDebPuckett Thank you. I have had his teeth floated a couple of months ago.

[@caponeros]

Hello Im hoping you can help me with something: I recently bought a horse he is a stallion, esay going to saddle and everything but once I get on him he doesnt walk forward, I just dont know how to make him walk, can you reccomend something that I can do to ride him, he just wont walk forward!

[@epona9166]

1. Lots of ground work, so he's used to moving with you. 2. In a round pen or fairly small space, get on him when you have plenty of time and take it real slow. Loose rein. Get a step or two and then let him stop. Don't keep bugging him, but don't give up either. 3. Take him away from the barn or wherever he wants to be and then get on and ride him back. Again, he'll get used to going with you and you want to make it pleasant. I don't mean a beeline for the barn or his friends. Do turns, zig zag etc. That said, a horse that won't move may have issues.-- mental or physical -- and at some point his response to your prodding may be to explode on you. A good trainer could help you rule that out,. So could a vet if you haven't had him thoroughly checked over. Now I'll defer to the experts.

[@kidstuff44555]

Also, get him gelded. You shouldn't be riding a stallion unless you're experienced

[@epona9166]

@@kidstuff44555 Yes! That should be first.

[@kidstuff44555]

@@epona9166 Yep :) Then all your suggestions were good too

[@ddrjjrfam]

I’ve seen harness horses with the twisted bits, can they be trained without that type of bit?

[@PatnDebPuckett]

Yes. A good harness horse works off of voice commands.

[@nicolevasquez5615]

I have an almost 4 year old very green mustang I have been training since May - he came to me unhandled. We are riding and have issues with him backing on the ground and in saddle. Would this training work for this younger green horse? Ive been doing pressure and release and not making much progress.

[@PatnDebPuckett]

Yes, this can be applicable to a younger horse if you are failing with pressure and release.

[@aaroncanady7380]

Curious, after you have a good session with your horse, is it a good idea to tie them up, hang them for an hour or so and let them think about what they’ve learned? Do you give them a treat when you turn them back out in the pen?

[@PatnDebPuckett]

We hang our horses after we ride them so they won’t associate getting home with being immediately put away. It also gives them time to dry off so they won’t get so dirty when they roll. We never feed our horses treats.

[@aaroncanady7380]

@@PatnDebPuckett thank you for your response. Merry Christmas to y’all.

[@thatgirlherfam7823]

I have a horse that looks just like this boy 😍

[@markcumbie8186]

Trying to teach a young horse how to side pass on poles but it tries to back off the poles any suggestions?

[@PatnDebPuckett]

Put the poles parallel with a fence and put the horse's hind end agains the fence. When the horse is comfortable with that, roll the poles further and further away from the fence.

[@stevenfoulger6066]

What is the total length of the cow hobbles?

[@user-pk1yo3dp1y]

Do you take on interns? Thanks

[@lisabadger3399]

Hard backward pulling hands don't produce a supple jaw, poll, neck that eventually connects the rein aids to the feet. This is a primitive, unclassical way to approach this problem. But it is still practiced by many... especially people who refer to dressage as 'the dark side'... please. LOL

[@PatnDebPuckett]

I don’t know your background but on this channel we encourage positive discourse and honest questions. That type of dialogue encourages open discussion and the ability to dive deeper with explanations. We don’t appreciate “drive by” comments by people who probably haven’t taken the time to watch our other content. We work many different horses. They are not all the same. The people who like our channel appreciate the fact that we are willing to show the good, the bad, and the ugly unlike many people who post videos of finished horses only and not the way that the finished horse was trained. Not all of our subscribers approve of all of our methods but we all are respectful of each other. I look forward to you asking a direct question about the part of the video which you don’t approve of or understand. Regarding the dark side of dressage, I hope we can agree that much of main stream dressage depends on horses with their mouths cranked shut with roller buckles and their heads behind the vertical with overflexed necks that do not allow the horse to move in a way that will ensure long term soundness, both physically and mentally.

[@PatnDebPuckett]

One more thing that comes to mind that you might not understand. Many of the horses we have did not benefit from a classical foundation. They were ridden poorly for much of their lives. Helping them to understand that they don’t have to brace their entire body against the rider is not always a pretty process. I encourage you to watch our playlist on Pat’s personal horse, Chinaco. He’s a 3 year old Iberian that is going really well in the bosal. kzbin.info/aero/PLqolZu7D-bMMdARnpbtdDvrpdyc932e4y

[@adibarr8996]

I just don't understand WHY you wouldn't reward him each time he DID walk backwards by releasing? But amazing work. And yes I know that he knows that I know he knows!

[@PatnDebPuckett]

Because he wasn’t making any progress and continued to be very heavy as a result of poor riding in his past. So he needed to learn to find his own release.

[@davidkozelsky]

Lmao at “all you people in Wisconsin”

[@Paradisecountryinc]

What state do you live in?

[@PatnDebPuckett]

California

[@Paradisecountryinc]

@@PatnDebPuckett nice! What region? I like the terrain there. I had assumed Nevada or Arizona.

[@PatnDebPuckett]

@@Paradisecountryinc Lake Isabella

[@andrewcastillo9558]

Stuck a couple with knives in field. A couple survive, the others died from bloating up again not long after..

[@andrewcastillo9558]

Vet Also said garden hose down the throat but I havent had luck with it. We also tried bloat blocks.

[@PatnDebPuckett]

A heater hose works better because it’s more rigid. You bevel the end that goes down the throat.

[@shelleydunnigan]

I'm curious why you used no legs to queue the horse to back. Legs mean motion, hands tell back, forth, right, left. Ask him to go with legs. Tell him "back" with hands by not letting him go forward. You're making it too complicated. Just teach him to listen to legs, you don't need a nose band!

[@PatnDebPuckett]

First, there is more than one way to teach a horse to back up. We don’t use our legs to initiate the back up because our goal is to have the horse back up off of our seat. We use our legs to correct the horse if he starts to get crooked. In a finished horse, we pick the horse up in our hand, lean back, and the horse walks backwards. The noseband is a temporary fix for a horse that has learned, through poor riding, to gap at the mouth. So in this case, it was needed for about a week.

[@sheeptrix66]

Shelley. It sounds that you related legs and backing to english riding. In westernriding you dont use legs in backing, only correcting them in the right way.

[@shelleydunnigan]

@@sheeptrix66 There is no difference. You use your legs when you want him to go forward.. why wouldn't you use legs while asking him to back up? Legs.. release with hands, go forward. Legs, hands hold, he moves back. Simple. English or Western. ( I ride Western) It's logical, no riding style.

[@gilliandarling9239]

you missed so many opportunities to reward the horse in the beginning that you slowed that learning process down

[@cowboymusicstudio4911]

too much detail and time to move to the correct motion to get some results

[@johnhead9148]

Kinda like when you and your car are on ice spinning out of control and all you want to know “should I turn my wheels to the left or to the right?”

[@lynnehuff9659]

Any form of horse training takes time. Sometimes a lot of time It depends on the results, and how long it takes for a horse to learn the lesson.

[@Piydarija]

Chinaco looking to 😂

[@kennewman3716]

kenxqed🤠

[@123sette]

Never seen such a vague explanation, and that poor horse should understand this?? No wonder it's taking so long :-( .

[@cowboymusicstudio4911]

not releasing pressure for extended time is taking forever to get some results, horses are not animals that go backwards, there is no reason to pull on his head is not comfortable for any horse means get a new trainer that don't drive your horse crazy as hell,and show him what to do but back up is not natural direction for any horse. Give the horse a lot of break from being so called pressure and training.