Buildzoid VS Power limit on 2080Ti (Nvidia kinda wins)

[@y0rema]

"I can't remember which of the pins on these does what" - sounds like somebody needs a Gamers Nexus Modmat™

[@themillen6460]

Seriously! @GamersNexus, STEVE! Get this man a Modmat!

[@sirjake84]

my thoughts exactly. TechJesus save this man!

[@christianb.3283]

Oh no that's boring! He should make his own creation and make it available to us all;)

[@nimbydimby]

He's got one, but he doesn't use it. Apparently it is too big for his table.

[@Johannnes125]

@@themillen6460 I think he already get one, but refused to use it. Spacewise or somthing else.

[@vdochev]

Just remember: "The bigger the gob, the better the job" - Louis Rossmann

[@Creepus_Explodus]

_We're gonna use 1 Paul of flux_

[@claimedlizard3209]

see if he would just apply more Louis to his projects, he'd use up that sticky flux tube in a week

[@MicroageHD]

that guy is a douche.

[@verdorrterpunkt2846]

To the brave person sending this gpu - thank you.

[@C0manso]

No worries! And thank you :P

[@Airwave2k2]

1:06:11 That is so wired - "Like I thought that would blow the freaking f*** power limit to Antarktika."

[@sstkitm]

Jensen activated Powermod countermeasure created Long has he waited Buildzoid Jebaited

[@Omizuke]

"go full unlimited power" - insert Palpatine meme here -

[@vdochev]

EXECUTE ORDER 2080Ti!

[@bigcazza5260]

rx vega star wars palpatine eddition

[@SuperUnunquadium]

*The Senate

[@bigcazza5260]

radeon senate not seven

[@jesuschristislord77733]

"You're at full cock now"

[@SpecialKthx]

Use a postal bag as a mat, doesnt remember the pci-e layout, PLEASE STEVE GOD SEND HIM A MOD MAT :)

[@Zarcondeegrissom]

Like my desk, I don't think BZ's desk is large enough for the mat, nor do I think his flat has room for a larger workbench. Them GN mod mats are 'Huge'. It would be nice if BZ got a mod mat, I just don't think he could use it for anything other than a doormat. ... 'doormat', now I need to chat with Steve about another idea (grin).

[@shadowr2d2]

A (Gamers Nexus Doorman). If you buy two or them. Running them next to each other. Your voice interface - Goggles / Alexa. Can tell you where you have been. Yes. Run this by (Tech Jesus).. Tech community is awesome.

[@LaughingOrange]

@@Zarcondeegrissom On stream Steve said they are working on making two more sizes of modmat. the current one would be large, and they are thinking about medium and small.

[@noahbirdrevolution]

i think he has one, but it is somewhere else and if i recall correctly it has rust stains. lol

[@MAG82619]

Little do we all know.. there's a modmat under the postage bag 😂

[@C0manso]

An hour and 26 minutes? I'm in heaven.

[@adent6x7]

fitter. happier. more productive. wait, wrong video... i see a pcb and i sorta... ya kno

[@Motorman2112]

Don't delay...

[@Elias-ru5xk]

Motorman2112 Buy today!

[@cowpker4life333]

take a shot every time buildzoid says power?

[@Дмитрий-с3п4ы]

"I need more power...Show me your MOTIVATION!" Vergil (c)

[@alien_man1669]

Yo dawg we heard you like power. So we desoldered your power shunts to get more power from your power pins to send less power to your power sense line and all the power to where the power is supposed to go and stop nvidias power to stop the power limit from power throttling.....goddamn it that word looks like plow now. i gone and broke my brain again

[@ghfhgfuuu]

Instead of drinking I just took a screw out of my Founders Edition 2080ti, I got to the end of the video and still had screws..

[@MrJosh6889]

I choose to believe that "the guy" who gave Bildzoid the card is actually Steve, and this card will be featured in a future #RipJay.

[@natterman2037]

GN is having a live stream today with a special guest..Maybe its Buildzoid!!!

[@mileskosik472]

@@natterman2037 nah buildzoid doesn't really travel.

[@natterman2037]

@@mileskosik472 yea true! They both have talked about it in the past but yea probably won't happen anytime soon!

[@C0manso]

Sorry to disappoint, but it is my personal 2080ti not Steve's.

[@MrJosh6889]

@@C0manso Hope it gets back to you in 1 piece :D

[@SovietGrazz]

Someone send this absolute mad lad a bucket of Cryonaut.

[@TheCgOrion]

I'm not making fun here, I'll say first. I'm really good with impressions and identifying vocal tonal qualities. You could do an amazing Kermit the frog impression, with little practice. I realize it probably sounds like I am making a joke, but I'm not. It's no different than Seth Mcfarlan doing several voices that are very close to his natural voice. It's something I've noticed a bunch of times and wondered if anyone else ever said anything.

[@anthonysaponaro6318]

Nope , you hit the nail right on the head because I thought the EXACT same thing

[@anthonysaponaro6318]

Hi Ho there, Kermit THE Frog here . . .

[@Sleepy.Time.]

Gamer's Nexus Steve should loan you a Titan RTX to play with.

[@invalid8774]

he doesnt have any, the speculated white box is the Titan V

[@C0manso]

@@invalid8774 He does have them, he bought 2x Titans with his own money I'm pretty sure. Check his latest LN2 livestreams, he was using 2 of them in SLI. Or 3Dmark.

[@invalid8774]

Oh damn very true. Totally got that mixed up. Thanks for correction.

[@wickedbinary7108]

Awesome video. Please keep making them BZ!

[@the1truefluffy]

Best comedy video with hints of educational material and special guest victim GPU. Today's episode is named Moddin' in da ghetto.

[@wanderlost.productions]

That heat sink bracket just looks like it needs to be rotated 90degrees. Might fix the contact issue?

[@erickrodrigo40]

maybe u got that bug that steve showed about those cards...i saw that 1350 and thats what he had as the top limit the card could be pushed

[@Zarcondeegrissom]

wasn't that fixed by simply reflashing the firmware, hmmm. good idea, I forgot about that.

[@mattsmechanicalssi5833]

I just sliced my thumb 2 days ago. A 2 inch laceration, right to the bone. After a day off and a band-aid, I just finished pulling an engine. And going to try out my new 8 core XEON in my X79 DARK.

[@Corei14]

Weird flex but ok

[@sarwarjahan2903]

Uhhhh ok?

[@jacoblaster7406]

I'd love to get my hands on that GPU-z log file. It appears that the power jump from idle to load was roughly 50% for both voltage divider circuits. This may indicate that the card's TDP display might be an average of the power consumption from PSENS_high and PSENS_low (where PSENS_low is given by a power sensing shunt somewhere else on the PCB).

[@davidjenkins852]

Buildzoid, you remind me of myself when I'm working. My work area is always an organized mess! Organized in the respect that I know where everything is so I can work but a mess in the respect that my work space looks like a tornado went through it!

[@noahbirdrevolution]

I've torn apart dozens of PCs and laptops, but today was my first time tearing apart my 1060 (or any gpu in general) and applying thermal paste - I was nervous as shit. This would give me a heart attack.

[@jeffie8696]

Young man you are fun to watch bumble around

[@LightningManGTS]

its like I said a while ago, its the front shunt thats finicky. that back one you can stack shunts and it'll boost the power limit without caring. your probably right in that theres another shunt down the line but who knows

[@texasdeeslinglead2401]

I swear to goodness , you sound like Kermit the frog. But it's only at certain times.

[@SonGoku-97]

really? lmao when?

[@eliazarmarcano5616]

This guy is at university and look what he is capable of accomplished see Eli tech channel the guy is a freak in electronics and learned by himself reading books and searching. It is awesome see him repairing gpu and motherboard

[@rostyloco1]

2080 TI power limit override by Actually Hardcore Overclocking ... Louis Rossmann edition

[@cts006]

Not enough flux.

[@kommentator1157]

@@cts006 Buildzoid is actually Paul.

[@Ceremco]

I guess buildzoid needs a Gamers Nexus Modmat for a surface to work on and to have a 6+2 pin reference :P

[@edwardrios8865]

You're a brave soul Buildzoid!!!

[@nated4wgy]

"looks good to me, but it probably doesn't to someone who's good at this"..... What does a good one look like!? Love your voice man, could listen to it ramble about PCB's all day

[@luckystrike09468731]

Buildzoid. You can get a hot air gun for $40 US, one that includes a soldering iron/ stand/ and tips and nozzles. Look at the Zeny. It is not top quality and the iron isnt as hot as it says it is, but it works and the air gun will desolder anything you throw at it. Also i broke my iron’s heating element and they sent me a new entire iron, no charge. Seriously a great purchase. Its been going strong for 2+ years. I got it on amazon so it should be available across the pond by you.

[@zcomputerwiz]

The unexpectedly high overall TDP reading might be based on what is reported for draw from the PCIe slot and the logic balancing that draw in the BIOS. I experienced something similar on a GTX 970; even with lower resistance shunts on the 6 and 8 pin it would still power limit at a reported ~60% overall TDP in GPUz until the BIOS was modified such that the lower limit for PCIe was set to the same value as max limit. Not sure what would be required to actually bypass that now since BIOS mods are out of the question for Pascal and newer. I'd imagine a rather thick wire would be required to feed that 75 amp plane from one of the 8 pins?

[@bernhardscher686]

Replacing the 2 shunts desoldered in the video with 3 mOhm resistors raises the powerlimit to around 420 W according to the owners thread at ocnet. So at least this method seems to work by just modifying said 2 shunts.

[@StrugglingBeliever]

your content is so amazing, glad i found you, thanks to Steve

[@Ryxxi_makes]

Also I got the gaming X trio 2080Ti, it doesnt really throttle at max clocks and full load like you said it might. I am using 406w unofficial bios, it doesnt use more than 370W tho.

[@3ddan148]

ok so i did a straight up shunt short on my 2070 super and it worked just as it should but now im learning that shorting the shunts SHOULD trip some sort of safety mechanism, what gives? am i missing something here? or is my card defective in a very lucky way?

[@kiwi-on-a-bike660]

Its never a fail if you've learnt something.

[@dellrizlonian]

Are the GDDR6 chips okay to run with just the airflow through the cooler?

[@EmotionalTree]

My 2080super is doing this with a 0.008ohm added in parallel to the stock 0.005ohm, card had 0 power limit increase from gigabyte. Starts hitting power limit and down clocking and will do that to black screen if you keep pushing it. Could it be vrm issues? Getting too hot and thermally protecting. Highest power draw I saw was 350w @ 1.05v to the card. Card temp was 57c for extended usage like gaming.

[@A1Plooplord]

52:40 cpu at 104c??

[@sophiatheodores7985]

(higher is better)

[@xenoaltrax485]

Maybe Nvidia is now also looking at the current ratio draw between the PCIe slot rail and 8-pin rails so it's drawing current at a monitored ratio from the PCIe slot as well. So how about doing the same voltage divider mod on the PCIe slot shunt __and__ also wiring the 12V pad from that shunt to the 12V line on one of the 8-pin rails (that way the pad for the PCIe slot shunt is actually drawing current from the 8-pin rail rather than from the actual PCIe slot 12V rail). Or even wire that slot shunt pad directly to a 3rd 8-pin connector, so it can draw as much as it wants from it's own connector separate from the other 8-pin connectors plugged into the card.

[@josebonilla101]

If i were a GPU, i'd be scared to hell and back. However, as a puny human, i got soda and food.

[@texasdeeslinglead2401]

Exactly

[@chincemagnet]

Taco Bell and Lemonade

[@yukegaming8788]

So...you can just ignore the passive heatsinks that are included with the Morpheus?

[@dellrizlonian]

Holy fuck I am so glad to see that the Morpheus II doesn't fully covered the die before I bought one. Guess it's an Accelero 3/4 for me instead

[@Felix-ve9hs]

i have put a Raijintek Morpheus on a RX 470 and now its like 60°C with 450 RPM Fan Speed :^) Runs at 1300MHz without added Voltage

[@warriorwithing]

did you put heatsinks on the vrm ?

[@Felix-ve9hs]

@@warriorwithing yes, the ones from the Morpheus and the Backplate from the Arctic Accelero Xtreme 4, with the two Noiseblocker E-Loop B12-PS my RX 470 is 5 Slots Thiccc

[@tommihommi1]

you lucky bastard, my RX480 doesn't do above 1250, no matter the voltage

[@Felix-ve9hs]

@@tommihommi1 well i do habe to increase the Power Limit :)

[@tommihommi1]

@@Felix-ve9hs well duh, the card throttles at stock speed without that

[@shadow11171]

Wouldn't this work perfectly on the MSI Gaming X Trio which doesn't have such a sophisticated power balancing crap going on?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

maybe

[@pizzafrenzyman]

props for not setting it on fire.

[@Diavire]

I think I remember those plastic shipping things getting static as hell when moved about...

[@eliazarmarcano5616]

People Eli tech is a channel of a guy that learned how to diagnose and repairs gpus and motherboards. It's a freaking genius.

[@chadmckean9026]

Could it be hitting the PCIe power limit and bouncing off it, maybe the card has one sense per input plus a sense total?

[@gazj]

takes a shot every time buildzoid says power. 10 mins into video falls on the floor and doesnt remember anything buildzoid said

[@n0sl1w]

So could that mean because there is so many channels on the ncp's they monitor per/pin on those 8pin connectors?

[@Zarcondeegrissom]

A Failure I will say this is not, very far from. In fact, it looks like the results may be as useful as another "Successful failure", the Michelson Morley experiment. The discovery that those two shunts do Not provide all the power limit monitoring is very Profound for other Modders. Great vid BZ, and Thanks to the fella that donated the specimen for testing. B)

[@americanmuslimah1]

Can you make a video of how to tear down and diagnose gpus and what the gadgets and tools needed to get a faulty gpu active again

[@CuteLittleMiku]

I think the limit is about 3mOhm to not trigger safety mod on 2080 Ti. So you can replace it with a 3mOhm shunts or solder a 8 mOhm shunts on it...7mohm shunt probably will work too but not tested.

[@svenf5888]

Important: 50% of this content is sponsored by "How to find tools & stuff" :D

[@alien_man1669]

So ive been attempting to learn about the hardware few months ago put a kraken g12/x42 aio on my 1080 and i theorise it its either Vbios has some sort of shunt temperature monitoring (after finding out shunts are inaccurate under heat) after flashing my msi 1080 to the strix unlocked bios, msi seahawk ek Vbios, they reacted different and i started with armor Vbios bringing memory and choke/cap area of phases temps from 70C and i hit the same high clock but my thermoprobes now sit at 45c-50c after firestrike stresstest and ive stopped the throttling on mem and vrm area and im improving scores but gaming/VR is flawless. I wonder if there is alternate Vbios options set to monitor other temps, now more aggressive with RTX. Im slow with hardware i only got a 1080 less than a year ago so budget has always been an issue here too. But my card used to hit a similar "imaginary" limit but MSI AB said not voltage or power.

[@alien_man1669]

i hade to run a command for msi ab to change tdp, makes me think theres more ways it knows how many wats its pulling since i wasted time flashing different power limit same vendor, which i wonder if drivers know i put the same card in and it wouldnt change until i ran nvidia-smi -p1 291"my current tdp". or not using old driver install from geforce but used express install instead, since manual also.has had issues ... i havent tested enough to be sure. I hope i am understanding how this works and making sense

[@soppingclam]

Did you work out the trick to increase the the 1.068-1.093 max voltage? Found after doing the quick trick and rigging up a 16pin to 8pin adapter to each of the inputs having 600w+75w pcie on tap, gpu boost disabled but 88degree TDP still in place. with my water cooling it almost doubled the performance of the 2080ti. The vrms and supporting 'infrastructure' on the PCB for the 2080ti is overkill and the best of any card. Weird using it instead of my 3080 as a main, but +1500 mem and - 3000+ core it crushes anything still. Poor underclocked cards. Especially those ones with under a 300w power limit!

[@shunjingus]

Mounting hardware looks like being the other way around would solve it.

[@iXenox]

try getting it to fit over the io, avoid the motherboard and make the case closeable, it ain't happening...

[@nico_53]

With my rtx 2070, I overclocked it to 2 ghz and the max power I can draw is 70-75% of the tdp. I don’t know why I can’t go to 90-95% of the tdp

[@nico_53]

​@Malfunctioning Universe ai plugged all the power connectors, the video card does not have a vga output.

[@erickrodrigo40]

how much do u recomend the morpheus for replacing original coolers....i modded my first card an rx 470....given now that i have a bit more knowledge...know that the card i got was on the lower spec end for rx 470....sapphire if u know....but would it help more with temps?....i heard the morpheus is heavy....

[@axellno1759]

I'm ready for round two!

[@KillaBitz]

looking forward to part two.

[@Ryxxi_makes]

Actually hardcore rambling , How the hell is the GPU temp maxing out at 40c on a fanless heatsing ?!?!

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

I have fans leaning on it

[@Ryxxi_makes]

​@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Will you be making a PCB video for the lightning card ?

[@Thee_Sinner]

I’m familiar with flux in terms of forging, what is it and how does it work for soldering?

[@rsu87]

Components float in it on the board while soldering and always remember: The bigger the blob, the better the job!

[@G14N14RI12]

Similar I think. Removes corroded layer and allows the solder to bond properly with the metal.

[@johndoe-gw6tj]

I think you have to mod the 12V PCIE Shunt if you do the other 1's otherwise the Nvidia power balancing just goes fucky and still power throttles

[@fraizer2600]

hi man, what is the difference if i put 2 panasonic (same as orginal) resistor but at 3mo one in each side of the card (on an TITAN RTX) without any wire or bridge. it differ to what you did ? the 3mo is about an guy who post that on a forum the exact resistor model is that ERJ-M1WSF3M0U i found it on this link : www.arrow.com/en/products/erj-m1wsf3m0u/panasonic i am totaly newb never done that. but i am searching the best optimised solution. this card will be watercooled

[@TheSmileyTek]

The GN Mod Mat will help you remember the pin out lol

[@johnbeer4963]

Buildy, have you ever had hot air rework? been thinking about it for your last few mod videos

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

Yeah I've heard of it. I obviously don't have it as much as I wish I did.

[@johnbeer4963]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I see. Didn't know if you'd had a blower before and decided not good or what. I envy your soldering iron steady hands btw, mine shake too much for the really fine work.

[@BitterCynical]

@ Actually Hardcore Overclocking Get yourself a TS100 soldering iron if you want something with more power but cheap. Just get it with a TS-BC2 or TS-C4 tip, conical is always a worse shape to work with.

[@Mre942]

Culd it be that the card massures the power over all shunt and match them (all 3).

[@dendrir5541]

I put my Raijintek Morpheus on my r9 390 3 years ago with two noctua fans it runs at 60°C with a little oc (1070Mhz) and very silent. I hope to pull over my setup when i buy a new card. I am still waiting for a great card under 300€.

[@Ender_Wiggin03]

Possible PCI-E current limitation?

[@Dave-ct1jk]

were you really doing this at 5 in the morning or is your computer clock off?

[@BosnaVolimte]

Watching this 5 in the morning :P

[@angryxinch8812]

Man, i would hate to see what you could pull off with high end equipment if the current stuff is holding you back, wish i had that type of knowledge

[@SimplyNonsensicaI]

but thats Samsung GDDR6. is that micron spec applicable on samsung?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

the operating voltage range is JEDEC spec. I just pulled it from a micron datasheet since I couldn't get a Samsung one

[@mushroomsamba82]

hey uhh.. is that an esd safe padded envelope? 🤔😏

[@PainterVierax]

I think it's fine as long as his soldering irons are properly grounded.

[@protator]

@Actually Hardcore Overclocking Haven't watched the whole video yet and I'm kinda late to the party, but geee, Buildzoid. You put on the mounting brackets the wrong way! The have a ~2mm offset! Just flip them and the whole die is covered again!

[@user-nq3xi4wm2k]

My gtx 680 soc has a 208% power limit without modding anything. I was disappointed when I saw my 1080 only had a 108%

[@KillaBitz]

anyone else at 42.48 shouting "its there" and waving there mouse pointer over a resistor? (maybe it was there before like that capacitor)

[@surfingjojo7177]

i heard that Rtx cards are more senstiv to temperature than other gen. of nvidia cards. maybe thats why the clocks changed.

[@LimbaZero]

is there corevoltage current monitor etc?

[@ale-lp]

Damn, I wish I had 1.5hs to watch this... can you make a highlight reel or something? :P

[@theq4602]

Would it be worth it to do this with dual RX580s?

[@redclaw72666]

Why not buy a EVGA xc ultra and use a 380 watt bios like I did especially with Samsung memory

[@REDTech-wq8su]

i need some help with a 2070 super please i need help

[@uncivil_engineer8013]

"My flux tube is all sticky!" Well then...

[@tarfeef_4268]

If, say, an RTX 2060 has the same power monitoring setup, maybe try getting one of those to play with and see if you can't figure out Nvidia's new system?

[@erickrodrigo40]

whoever this brave soul was to send you a 2080 ti was probably on the edge of his chair while u removed the shunts...i know i was....specially at 1200 dls.....or whatever it is now.....but im sure u got this you are BUILDZOID

[@larsjrgensen5975]

Please use something other then clear bouble wrap, I can almost hear the small sparks in my head, maybe i am a chicken but i roll out a ESD mat before i do anything big with my pc.

[@Jaqq_Cavas]

Can you just short a shunt will a bit of wire instead of removing or instead of using liquid metal gallium stuff thats gonna eat your card alive? XD

[@rossq9432]

5:30 Why not ask GN for a mod matt? It helps you to remember the pinout on PCIE

[@mrlithium69]

you shouldnt really worry about running out of resistors. They're like 2 cents in bulk

[@BNHardwarereviews]

Try the 380v bios or Kingpin OCX, works on ref too.

[@xyz360400]

You should run Heaven instead of Firestrike that way it shows the clocks and temps (and FPS of course) without having to drop/tab out of the program. That's what I use to check my clock speeds when overclocking my GPU (mobile GTX 1060 6GB, OC'ed to 2037MHz Core [+136], 4532MHz [9064MHz effective] VRAM [+530]).

[@PaoloTrianni]

Anyone cringe when you think of the price of that RTX2080ti lol.

[@adnanadnan12337]

Black screen after installing driver on RTX cards, any idea why this happening? A defected card maybe?

[@claimedlizard3209]

this is a bad episode to ask you what soldering iron you use

[@infinitelyexplosive4131]

I'm already scared

[@xite45]

Hello, i want to do a SHUNT mod on my MSI 2070 Super Trio X, i bought 0.003Ohm SMD shunts for this purpose. (solder on top of original shunts) ftp.nluug.nl/pub/games/PC/guru3d/img-cache/pcb/2070S-MSI-GAMING-X-TRIO/1.jpg According to the pictures it should be the SHUNTS RS13 and RS14. RS15 I assign to the power supply via PCI-E. Unfortunately I find components with the label F1 to F3 near the shunts. Are these fuses ? Have you ever seen something similar on a Nvidia graphics card ? With which current do they blow ? So I think this mod is of no use to me if these are really fuses. Can you buy these fuses ? thanks for your answers love your videos