Bulk Storage for performance reasons : Tutorial nuggets : Oxygen not included

How to store all your stuff in one spot, efficient use of space and cuts down on game calculations. Should help with performance as well. With all those benefits everyone should be doing it.

[@esaedromicroflora1247]

I play on a laptop and I always had lagging, this REALLY helped, thank you

[@Soul-Burn]

One recommendation is placing a pneumatic door over your pile. Reason being that if for some reason a vole eats it, they will reduce 50% of your dirt, iron ore, and regolith, and if I recall correctly, create a huge pillar of material - not fun! Having that door would completely limit their access.

[@ZielAmerak]

I use that from the early game, I place a tile of water so I can store Bleach Stone and build a natural reserve around it, so the dup will gain the room bonus every time they want to take or leave materials. but soon I will need to modified it so I could use Auto-Sweeper without loosing the room bonus.

[@XanCanth]

Love the videos, I find listening to your explanations so much more conducive to actually learning the game than some others I've watched. These tutorial nuggets are one of the best things for learning this game I've seen yet. If you are taking recommendations I would love to see one on a cooling setup. I've tried replicating your cooling system from your old industrial brick video and I just can't wrap my head around it works. I try to make it a rule not to just blindly build something without understanding how it fundamentally works but I just can't figure it out on this one. I get that the heat is being pushed into the petro going to the generators but I don't understand how the water in the right tank gets so cold. Do aquatuners just expel heat until the liquid inside is at 0K? Anyway great videos, I love that you provide saves because it can be hard to see layouts of set ups. A recommendation I always have is to provide a time stamped section where you show the blueprint and cycle through the various overlays. Also thanks for helping me get to cycle 500!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Glad the video's helped out. I'll have to do up the cooling tutorial in the near future just not sure I want to touch the ice machines they just feel so awkward.

[@drakcoreoriginal]

Take it to the next step. sweep all those items into a vacuum room with no access (restricted or no door at all) depending on what you want. Then you can either only allow a certain dupes in or automate it by having a few sweepers in that room distributing items to accessible bins outside the room or another vacuum area. No heat calculations or excessive dupe trail calculations.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

That sounds hard, well it sounds like it might be a bit tricky to setup. Tutorial was more brute force and simplicity. There are some systems out there when you have two types of dupe, those who provide building material and thoose who sweep up loose material. With door restrictions this results in everything being swept up.

[@Lazaruseifer]

Thank fuck for Ireland. Only video on this matter under 30 minutes longs. I'm not sure, I get the impression some folk like to over-complicate stuff and talk about crap? Good vid sir.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I just want the info when I watch a video, I think that mentality carries over to the one's I make. Glad it helped.

[@MrPraxxi]

ive found a very reliable way to have centralised storage without having the dupes go back and forth, all you need is door blocking the item dumpers and only allow access to each side for certain dupes, i have 4 dupes whos sole purpose is to go around the map and collect everything to dump in the centralised storage but because they're not allowed to access the storage they dont loop it around. its a very easy way to get everything without having to use sweep commands constantly, you can also have some storage bins on a low priority that everyone can access which your storage dupes will then take from and dump into the centralised one. its a perfect system as long as you can afford to lose a few dupes to it as they wont have access to any materials except whats laying on the map

[@AQJ_DK]

Couldn't you put a tile of liquid at the bottom of your storage pit and then not worry about off-gassing?

[@astrobat1342]

temperature will be a problem

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Temp can be a problem, but strangely a little water has fallen into mine and for some reason it has not evaporated. I think avoiding dumping regolith and boiling volcanic rock in has saved me on that front. So maybe a little liquid can be done if you want to give it a try.

[@gp6763]

You could have a little cooling loop to avoid any problem

[@justgame5508]

Or just add oil/petroleum to it

[@TrustyFishOdor]

I remember trying a storage solution like this ages ago and was told that the game would start deleting/not saving material if there is too much debris on one tile. Was I misinformed or did this change in a patch?

[@jaccobbell1157]

did you ever find an answer to this?

[@TrustyFishOdor]

@@jaccobbell1157 No, I believe I heard it originally in a Grind this Game video a year or two ago

[@jaccobbell1157]

@@TrustyFishOdor cool thanks for responding.

[@AnotherSpaceCowBoy]

I pay close attention at my ressources level, like a maniac. So far 300 cycles last save, did this thing asap, very early. No issues at all. If anything disappear I would have noticed

[@21CenturyBreakdownX]

damn you got your base running hot as hell

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Their is something great about not having to care about heat.

[@21CenturyBreakdownX]

@@FrancisJohnYT does oxygen into the suits not bring its temp with it? If so my next goal is all suits all the time

[@abaddon75]

Wouldn't this work very well with sweepies as the collectors sweeping it unto the conveyor rail and then using the ultra storage tile as your central storage, surround it with auto loaders and auto sweepers for automated retrieval ? Who cares about decor if no dupe is going to have to look at it ?

[@Marcallaus]

Thanks for the video answer to my old question!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Sorry it took a while, could have got it out faster if I cut back on the whiskey and chocolate but no way that is going to happen. Can't let your hobbies get in the way of your life.

[@GamingStepByStep]

This is an amazing concept and I thank you for all the work you have done and shared with this game, I am facing a bug I think though with this method. I am ending up with multiple stacks of the same material, lets say sand for example, there are 4+ stacks of this at varying temperatures, they all came from bins (I was using a massive storage area, but have been noticing the game slowing down a bit) and I wonder if this is the problem. They stack and normalize temps in regular bins, but storing it this way doesnt seem to work well for me for some reason

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Debris piles only go up to 25 tons, after that they start forming additional debris piles. It's not easy to even the temps between them all, it's a good idea not to store stuff their that can melt easily. But if you want to even out the temp you could drop in some Oil to help conduct the heat.

[@GamingStepByStep]

@@FrancisJohnYT Ah that makes a lot more sense now thank you, for some reason I thought it would all combine lol, I moved algae and phosphorus elsewhere, don't think there's anything else to worry about

[@eggtime27]

What is the benefit of powering them?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I think that it slows down the drop animation if they are unpowered so I assume you would need a few more to hit capacity if they are unpowered, it's only 60 watts a piece so I have not bothered testing to be sure. Also I really hate that unpowered icon.

[@eggtime27]

@@FrancisJohnYT Hmm good point. I haven't been powering mine but I think I will start doing it.

[@rav2561]

does this really save performance though? it still has to calculate everything but just in one tile or not? Would storing everything in a hundred boxes still be better performance wise?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I had great improvements doing this in the previous versions, don't know if the patches have made a change. The reasons it should help is you only have to calculate gas heat exchange with the gas in the tiles it's in not dozens if not hundreds of tiles it's scattered across. When a dupe goes to collect rock to build a tile the game calculates the closest piece, if it's all in one space that's a lot less calculations.

[@rav2561]

@@FrancisJohnYT thanks that makes sense

[@eanna3781]

I have an arm thingy with the resources in reach that can load them into storage bin for retrieval and conveyor loaders for shipping.

[@jammeranimated2627]

Since most materials/metals and such are solids would it be better to store/make this build in somewhere cold or place some storage bins with ice besides the main hole to cool them?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Your dealing with thousands of tons of material, it would take a enormous cooling solution to make a dent in the averaged temp.

[@jammeranimated2627]

@@FrancisJohnYT Hmmm that would be a challenge. So guess to say that using this near one's base would have a certain temperature range of materials to be allowed to be stored here via sweep only. What would be that safe range of temperature of materials, maybe 25°-35°C or 20°-50°C if cooled with ice storage/dripping cold water? And of course extremely high temp items will never be stored here. Sorry new to the game and still learning the mechanics.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@@jammeranimated2627 My preferred plan is to have a core base with an Exo Suit exit. Bulk storage would be done outside of the core area. That way I only have to worry about the small core base area, everything outside that can be pretty much any temp and my dupes will not care because of exo suits.

[@jammeranimated2627]

@@FrancisJohnYT ohhhhhh that's good solution, I'll do that, I do have exosuit docks at both sides of my core base. Ｏ(≧▽≦)Ｏ < Thanks for the ideas and tip

[@pronkel]

as always thank for the video :)

[@fritt_wastaken]

You forgot about liquifiables. They shouldn't end up here either

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Good point, ice or anything else like that would be a bad idea.

[@czabinator]

Thx.

[@richard2mitchell]

how do you feed 75 dups?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

A 10 kg petroleum boiler will net enough CO2 to support 75 slicksters, throw in about 150 wild sleet wheat and about 51 wild lettuces and you should be good to feed them all burgers.

[@richard2mitchell]

@@FrancisJohnYT you make it sound so easy lol

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@@richard2mitchell I may be planning on feeding 50 dupes that exact way and could remember the numbers off the top of my head :)

[@richard2mitchell]

@@FrancisJohnYT will that last forever? i know nothing about lettuce or sleet wheat...i am newish

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@@richard2mitchell Wild food does not require any work/resources to grow. If you can plant enough wild food with pips you could have free food forever.

[@user-anon]

Why can’t u use regolith

[@Uzwel]

Because regolith swept from meteor shower are very hot

[@CefasHeliSathler]

dude, thw world is watching you dont speak so fast... lol

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I can't help it, it's how I was raised.

[@CefasHeliSathler]

@@FrancisJohnYT haha nice!

[@GrindThisGame]

That final base is.... impressive!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

It's an old lets play base where I tried to get to 100 dupes, managed to get to 80 before the FPS slow down made it unplayable.

[@chrisrodriguez2275]

Would be very interesting to send an enormous amount of heat through the that storage area, when it all started to melt would there be an explosion of material everywhere?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

There was a suggestion I freeze the subsurface ocean into debris chunks and do something similar.

[@Bad_Moon_Rising]

Im going to try this only im going to dump everything from top to bottom down my main stairs then transport it all back ut to the middle of the map . see how that works :)

[@thomas15vv]

I usually drop everything in a pool of water

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Be careful not to drop in a few tons of 1400C obsidian from a volcano :)

[@KW42ON]

I use to have Oil in that tile i store those things but that is a lot more heat transfer and i recommend not to store Liquefiables in such a place or you might end up in a mess. Does it really have to be 3 tiles deep... cuz i thought 2 is enough... ?

[@emadkhatri]

With 2 the duplicants might step into it and get the decor debuff, 3 ensures nothing like that happens

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@Emad Sees the method in the madness.

[@Quayleman80]

You just saved my current base from the dustbin.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Only temporarily, I have a strange feeling you will be putting more strain on it almost immediately :)

[@jensjensen7504]

Any suggestions as to a similar setup but with food in mind? i can trick a sweeper to drop food on the ground in a sterile environment, but i ain't sure its the most optimal solution.

[@cortholiopezorama8879]

I have an “auto kitchen.” sterile atmo behind a water lock. Dupes access two conveyor loaders from outside, one for the stove one for the oven. Ingredients drop to the floor inside a locked room where they are loaded onto individual ingredient rails. From there they pass to receivers that auto load the cooks. Note: food will rot inside solid tiles so use mesh/ airflow inside the kitchen area on any line that might backlog into a floor/wall tile.

[@kelmor11]

Is there more/less performance gain if you keep each resource separate I wonder?

[@happytraveler6933]

I'd assume it wouldnt truly matter except youd have to make alot of pits and that means the dups would travel further

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I'm not sure is the short answer. Long answer is even if it did improve performance it should be a tiny gain. Additionally if you place every thing on an insulated tile made of insulation and keep them in a vacuum then they are to all intensive purposes unable to interact with each other anyway.

[@ShadoryKaine]

ok yes definitely need this, also can't we just drop it into a pool of liquid so nothing will off gas? might get into the problem where the liquid might evaporate tho :/ but definitely need this, 1.8k cycles n my game running at 15 fps right now its chugging >

[@kingjames4886]

oni: the game that requires you to play it a certain way for it to function.

[@dominic.h.3363]

Didn't you make the argument some months ago that centralized storage is bad, because you sweep all the building materials to one location which makes dupes travel a lot more, and instead it's much more efficient to just have everything laying around and to use biome-specific building materials that are laying around close by to build things?

[@blubbber]

yes and no :D Leaving stuff laying around helps if you are building at the moment there. Otherwise a dupe has to calculate the closest route to every ressource of the material in case he wants to deliver something.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Early game leave it lying around it's faster for dupes to pick stuff up from nearby. Late game it becomes an FPS liability, sweeping up almost doubled my FPS first time I did it. Though in that instance I had let it go on for way to long. In game time your dupes will have to do a bit more walking to pick up materials, but in real time you will get way more done. Also later in the game your dupes will all have high athletics and the goofer ability.

[@dominic.h.3363]

@@FrancisJohnYT Makes perfect sense when you explain it that way, but this paradigm shift every dozen cycles in every single one of the dozen+ aspects of the game is quite tiresome. Do this at cycle 10, do that at cycle 18, then that at 27.... and then do the complete polar opposite at cycle 400. Meh... Anyway, don't let my personal gripe with the game stop you from doing all these tutorial tidbits, they are insanely useful for everyone who is enthused about the game more than I am, and you are a pretty good communicator. Sometimes I can't decide what's killing the fun more, being casual to the point of being inefficient, or being organized, to the point of repeating the same steps on every single map in every playthrough. This game completely burns me out, and this is coming from someone who's involved in the management of cross-border business-oriented projects for a living.

[@TheMule71]

@@dominic.h.3363 I don't know how long you've been playing for... but there are mods that allow you to choose the starting traits of the map, so everytime the challenge is different. Of course if you're reached endgame in 100+ plays already you can claim you've done everything many times over and over and nothing is new to you...

[@dominic.h.3363]

@@TheMule71 2017. Yea, I get a few volcanoes, a little more ore, a little less oil, and either very hot, or very cold maps. Exactly how does this change how I set up my outhouses, how I set up my flush toilets, how I... get it? It's always the same crap, and you improve on these systems the very same way as you progress through the cycles on every single map. But this wasn't the point I was trying to make, so let's not sidetrack this discussion in a direction I don't want it to go. The main argument was that it simply bothers me to hell that you do the same thing twice in perfectly opposite ways, depending on how far you've progressed in the game.

[@cybinnaturaldomaincnd3955]

Thanks!

[@darkfangulas]

so i can build natural farms by running hot piping over algae dropped on the floor ???

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Natural is a tricky word when it comes to "wild" planting. But as far as the game is concerned, yes.

[@darkfangulas]

@@FrancisJohnYT thank you ill probably use that for a nature reserve

[@larrylindgren9484]

So I take it once piled all the different temp items will slowly start to even out. The hot gets colder. The colder gets hotter until everything is the same temp?

[@gdaxlemos2]

you should have to power em either

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I think that slows down the drop animation so you need a few more for capacity, but have not tested to be sure.

[@Valendr0s]

I have two areas... 1. Dropoff (not sweep only) - with everybody other than builders & suppliers with access, but builders & suppliers have NO access 2. Supply (with more droppers that are sweep only) - with only builders & suppliers with access, and nobody else. Now non build/supply will randomly clean stuff up. And build/supply will help if I set things to sweep. It slows down build a bit since only suppliers can supply. But it keeps a cleaner base since you'll still clean stuff up even if the dupes just drop it randomly Also, you have to watch out with random containers. If you make a sand bin for sand near a water siv, supply dupes will supply sand to the bin. Non-supply will take the sand out of the bin and move it to the storage again. In an infinite loop. So any bin you'll need to limit access to only suppliers just like your large supply storage area.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

This gives me an idea, what if I limit the pickup area so everyone but 2 dupes can access it. Then have those two dupes be the only ones able to access a top level drop of. Thoose two will constantly be scouring the map for loose debris and collecting it up. Meanwhile every other dupe can use the pile as normal and help out with big sweeps if necessary.

[@supercables251]

@@FrancisJohnYT I tried this. It worked quite well.

[@Arkaon666]

I always put 2 of those, one whit the food of the hatches, very close to then and auyomated like the ranchs, so no worry for temperature, and the other one for everything else, i been doing it since you did it in your old base and works line a charm for the lag

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Ah i still remember how much faster my map ran after I did a big clean up, felt like a new day.

[@Delt4_Cr4wfish]

I haven't seen anyone talk about this. I use dabree as a massive heat sink.