BULLS Vs SAINTS | FULL TIME HOT TAKES | CHAMPIONS CUP ROUND 2

[@nicWarrington]

Congrats Northampton. Deserved win. The handling was very frustrating from the Bulls. Backline didn’t fire. If it wasn’t for Hanekom, they would have lost by much more. He was the best player on the park by far.

[@johanlamprecht5577]

The heat in Pretoria was absolutely suffocating today (we have been having a heat wave for weeks now) so yet another challenge the Saints overcame in Pretoria. Excellent win for them.

[@joshhunter1129]

Really good for the competition. A team taking it seriously, taking the full bhoona on the road to South Africa and get the full reward.

[@Zveebo]

Now I’d like to see one of the SA teams do the reverse.

[@benturner190]

Shame the SA teams show zero respect to the competition really isn’t it

[@sikhothomas4746]

Are they the only ones that send out weakend teams overseas?

[@garymorin4813]

Can we give Northampton Saints a bit more credit, it was away win with a try scorer bonus point. Bulls had a lot possession because they couldn't score, yes they made a lot mistake, but saints defended great and turned the ball over. When Saints got the ball they used it and scored.

[@markypug7689]

Cocker doing an awesome job presenting at Leicester. In a way I’m glad that the coverage went to Premier and Tim could get a look up! Top draw presenter, asks decent questions and is a an all round good egg(chaser).

[@rematador]

Great to see you on Premier sports!

[@brianmsahin]

The Saints were on top of the game. Very impressive. I had Bulls to win by 12, but if you can't win at home, forget about it. There is definitely a sizeable gap between top level Northern Hemisphere European championship teams and south African clubs. I also saw some 360 views of Loftus Road and there were very few fans there. Why the lack of support? They always use the "everybody is under the camera position" excuse but that's bs. South African rugby needs to market the game more. It must be soul destroying that a Championship game against a top European team can only attract a smattering of fans .

[@nevilleramodike7968]

As a Bulls fan I cried a little bit after watching that 😢😢 I couldn’t believe what happened

[@NS-nk9hf]

I agree, neville. Is it time to let Jake go? I would say yes and get Franco Smit in.

[@alexmunro8231]

Why don't you take the point on offer. And if Willie and goosen go out of sink. It is just a very long hard day to watch. Also don't think we understand these French refs. But bulls can only blame themselves. Saint had our number. Bulles thought they going tobsun saint off the pitch then they knocked themself out.

[@Eric-1924]

Agree, tired of all Jake's we give up speeches.

[@glentweedie602]

Hey Neville, only cried a little?? Weather service has sent out a level 6 flood warning in Pretoria due to a local phenomenon 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Tomorrow morning you will find that most of the lamp-Posts and traffic 🚦 have been buckled and flattened from today's piss-poor performance 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@neilcarpenter2669]

Why .

[@henrybullock4514]

Great interviews by the way both at half time with Chessum and also post-match with Handre, Youngs and Freddie. Much more natural and friendly style which seems to get better responses from players with a bit of humour.

[@Bpt8825]

Well done saints. Another English victory. Some great performances. The bulls team need to learn how to pass backwards

[@Jan-p4y]

That's 2 weeks in a row the Bulls were COMPLETE KAK! Need to start asking serious questions of Jake White. Thinking Johan Ackerman would be a better option now

[@ant208]

@Jan-p4y The coach didn't make them knock the ball. The Bulls need more talent in the backline.

[@WalterWhite-sm2dr]

The coach can’t teach u to catch …. Respect Jake for what he has done at the Bulls ..

[@Zeeshan-ep1og]

What did I say in your last video Saints by 10 but I'll take 9,I thought with all the players back they'd be firing on all cylinders.Brilliant

[@rorymkirk]

In your defence I wouldn’t have been complaining too much if they had chalked off Freeman’s first… a little dicey, but it stood. Just the Bulls butchering their chances today. But Hanekom’s first try was practically ref assisted, so it seems karma washes out. Game struggled for fluidity at times, but saints were clinical at the right moments. Huge, and hugely deserved, Saints win.

[@Straightdeal]

Bulls and Stormers two of the SA sides with butter on their fingers.

[@phillipsugwas]

I have never seen worse decisions and teamwork from the Bulls

[@MrNmitch17]

I loved the Saffa commentators on Premier Sports identifying every Saints tackler as Fraser Dingwall. Also can't believe that a couple of years ago I was worried when Saints subbed Cobus Reinach off 'cos there was only some kid called Mitchell to come on.

[@k1ngcab00se]

Northampton getting zero credit. Everyone talking about knock-ons and the Bulls giving away Penalties without mentioning the huge defensive set that was forcing both of them. Bulls only butchered 1 try, the knock on. The rest were tries that were only scored because of Bulls bending/breaking the laws. Also, Freeman didn't butcher anything, both of his tries were correctly given.

[@danieSt]

Northampton defended well but come on now. Bulls had 4 disallowed tries , how Northampton won that game is astounding. I’ve never seen a team physically battered in every aspect and go on to win the game. Willie Le roux and canan moodie one was unforgivable , bulls also should never have been down at half time. The officiating was actually horrendous against the bulls. If bulls first try was dis allowed for Willie Le roux crossing then why wasn’t George Hendy try disallowed for Fraser dingawall runnung in front. I think Northampton will be ranked number 1 seeded going into the knock outs as I think they will get maximum 20/20 points but it’s so bizzare because they should have lost that game by 40+ period.

[@k1ngcab00se]

@danieSt funny how you ignore the fact that the first try was also a massive forward pass. The other tries were correctly disallowed too, they literally would not have been scored (other than the knock on obviously) if the Bulls had played by the rules. So where's the horrendous refereeing? On the physicality, you should probably watch it back, Millar-Mills got destroyed in the scrum, but once he was off (start of the 2nd half) scrummaging was pretty even. It is a very South African thing to think that just because you won a few scrums (but couldn't do anything else well) that you should win by 40. Plus, 40+ points haha, there's only one team that should've won by 40 and that's when you sent your leftovers to get devoured at the Gardens, ah my bad, was just the 37 points. Anyway, good luck this season in the URC, would be nice to see the Irish humbled (though not sure the Bulls are the team to do it)

[@danieSt]

@@k1ngcab00seI’ve rewatched the match and i actually think you are right. I apologies for sounding like a sour loser I’m just a proud bulls supporter and that was a tough loss to take. I do think there was some harsh calls against the bulls , the Jan hendrick- wessels called for not rolling away but he had ripped the ball of Pearson but the ref couldn’t see . Also I think the Pearson clean out was actually ok. But this is probably just clutching straws. I think Northampton deserved to win simply because they let bulls punch themselves out , Bulls had so many try scoring opportunities which as you said were rightfully disallowed but I definetly feel bulls lost that more than saints won it(pls no disrespect intended to saints )Northampton subsequently scored. I do think Northampton deserve massive credit and I really hope they get all the way to the final. I think they’ll get 20/20 points as I think they’ll comfortably beat Stade Francais and Munster. Like you said they battered us in QF and should have beaten Leinster in croke park in semis but Caelen Doris is allowed to do whatever he wants at the breakdown and Leinster in general. For me either toulouse La Rochelle Northampton bordeaux and Leinster will win it.

[@nath4nt]

think saints deserve more credit. Many mistakes forced by some strong defence inside their own 22. If Millar-Mills can hold up the scrum then I reckon it's a completely different game.

[@bensimpson7678]

It was 5 points for Saints, Freeman got 2! That's 10/10 points from 2 matches 💪

[@adamwhittington4399]

I'm a saints fan. Was so glad when I saw the team sheet. I was worried we would be reserved in selection as the prem defence would be high priority. But I think saints at 7th(?) In the prem so maybe that top 4 spot is not reachable so doing well in Europe is more respectful? Maybe this sparks form for the prem. Fingers crossed. These matches have highlighted to me how short lived the prem is now at 10 teams

[@sakhiledlamini8867]

Good: Hanekom, what a superstar⭐️ Low: Defense is really bad, line-out errors, handling errors, missed opportunities. They’re just not playing well at the moment.

[@fatherchrismas1140]

They awarded the first freeman try, 4 tries, bonus point

[@okkertgreyvenstein5765]

The beauty of this comp you can still win it even though tlyou loose two games.

[@barrygormley]

Feel like the Bulls won't take this tournament seriously until they've secured a URC title. Its clearly the one they want and the couple of final defeats have probably focused their minds on it.

[@sweetfragment]

As a Bulls fan Jake White needs to take accountability, or the heads must roll. He has so many Springboks. We neee results. 2024 we had 3 home losses with teams from abroad.

[@PB-tk4uu]

South African sides implode this time of year. It's fokkol....it's festive.

[@davidwalker2402]

Wow I can understand why so few go to see them, Bulls were so bad. Northampton deserved their win and Fin Smith should be 10 for England 😮

[@HarrisonEnglish-w9r]

But we have Marcus smith man, can’t just count him out

[@davidwalker2402]

@ remind me how many games have England won when MS started 1 against Japan .

[@gluehuffer2869]

@@davidwalker2402Marcus ain’t the issue man

[@davidwalker2402]

@ no but he’s one of them, if he’s so great why are England always losing . There comes a point when you have to stop making excuses, he was responsible for defeat in France and defeat against Australia and 8 passes in a game by a 10 is not very comforting. Lots of flash but not much substance .

[@PhillipAlcock]

F Smith missed a couple of conversions didn’t he…?

[@driesdiamond5016]

Too be fair Tim, SA teams have to fly up and down and play in the same week six times a year. Northampton now had their only trip down for the year

[@fraserposford144]

Shocking attendance from the Bulls fans. I get that not many Northampton fans would travel for the game but it definitely looked like a low home turnout for a big game in the Champions Cup. Support your team no matter the competition.

[@NTL578]

What was the attendance?

[@fraserposford144]

@@NTL578 13,500 in a 52,000 capacity stadium.

[@NTL578]

@@fraserposford144 That's not amazing but I imagine the big stadium makes it look much worse. Edit * Just checked (First team I could think of.) It's the same as Exeter's attendance.

[@andrewharris1837]

Saints got a bit lucky.Bulls had 3 disallowed tries but hey well played Saints in the heat and noise😅

[@omgim0nfire425]

Tim I am watching your coverage on premier sports right now. Are you directed what questions to ask? If you are, are there any questions you'd like to ask coaches that you don't because of following direction?

[@Eric-1924]

Very good win for NHS, congrats. No surprise result, the Bulls coach already said his team not good enough for big rugby, and they believe it and plays accordingly, getting worse every match. Maybe Jake bulls must only play in Curriecup tournament?

[@zwet4269]

No Jake must go

[@Eric-1924]

I am in, start the campaign. 😬💪

[@brianodriscoll2725]

As a Leinster fan , Northampton are a fantastic team. I’ve no idea why so many people think they’re not a real threat to win the competition. They nearly and probably should have beaten us in croker in front of 80k fans and have a really strong core of young talent.

[@benjaminjooste6388]

They’re not a real threat because Toulouse exists. Do you really see Saints winning vs Toulouse in a final? That’s how I gauge if a team is a threat - if they seem like they could stand a chance vs them in a final.

[@brianodriscoll2725]

@@benjaminjooste6388Toulouse weee battered 2 years ago and three years ago by Leinster in the semis so Northampton might not need to play them ..

[@WORS06]

That's probably the worst performance I've seen from The Bulls. I have alot of respect for Jake, he has done alot for SA Rugby, but sadly I think it's time for him to go

[@Caledon1893]

The Moodie Le Roux mix up was truly awful.

[@ruan_709]

I really thought i was watching club Rugby last night.

[@omgim0nfire425]

Tim from eggchasers I am now watching your halftime content talking to ollie Chessum and you don't look tiny next to him. I didn't think you were so big

[@EdLo3]

Is there an argument for Hendy at 15 for England?? Furbank did not perform during the Autumn internationals and Hendy is more physical and pretty darn quick.

[@sikhothomas4746]

Augustus was the best player for Saints.

[@adamvanderriet9669]

Jake White is on thin ice 🤘

[@Eric-1924]

Think he melted with that bad loss in URC final.

[@ethanhaycock9162]

I was going to be at the leic game, but now I have a fever and had to stay at home

[@richardevans848]

Come guys, 657 watching and only 71 likes. Come on guys, press the like button as it helps Tim

[@Jjaaccoobb..]

Assuming you watched in a pub and missed that Freemans first try was not disallowed despite looking a little dubious

[@EggchasersRugby]

Just completely brain farted it in the blur of post game

[@Jjaaccoobb..]

@@EggchasersRugby it happens, good content as always though 👍

[@Nasklipa]

#MoreTimDuringTheHalf

[@Caledon1893]

Some of the worst handling i've seen in a professional game, but still a thriller to watch. Wonder how Bulls fans feel about turning down so many kickable pens in the first half.

[@soulrestoration5486]

Tim you have been going on about SA teams not prioritising the competition. but you defend france for sending B team to New Zealand. maybe we should say France must not play international rugby. on the other hand. Sharks and bulls have tried to improve their depth and still are pushing for more. that shows you that they are serious about the competition. They not yet there on depth as leinste and Toulose. give it time and once we there then the will be competitive teams for the competition from SA sides

[@tallshort1849]

Imagine how good English teams would be with a decent Union.

[@kentuckyfriedchicken4740]

No Kurt Lee Arendse🤠

[@sambale6276]

At this point the SA question really does have to asked. 2 x 50 away and a loss at home (in front of no fans...)... if they don't want it, why bother with the cost, unfairness, etc etc. of including them?

[@sikhothomas4746]

The bulls picked a good team, but played crap. I'm not sure where "not prioritizing the competition" fits in Tim.

[@markeasey469]

Don't quite understand how a player from a team that played below what is/was expected got "Player of the match" !!

[@kevinbermingham6186]

@@markeasey469 in fairness he was excellent and its a single award not a team award but i get its normally by default given to the winning team

[@Zveebo]

@@kevinbermingham6186 It’s just awkward for everyone when it goes to a player from the losing team. Honestly mostly of the time even the players hate it.

[@kevinbermingham6186]

@Zveebo fair enough i havent asked all the players like yourself but he was the best player on the park so i think its a grand shout

[@alexmunro8231]

We can't blame it on history. Can't be because bulls don't understand the competition or importance of it. Maybe they are just tyred. Willie and Goosen are great when they are on song. But when they are bad they are very bad. And if you get a day when they are both off there game it is going to be a long day a very long day. Saint had bulls number read there attach. Also think player starting to believe Jake that this competition is just a step to far.

[@okkertgreyvenstein5765]

The bulls are kor playing the same game like last season. Where thyw running at everything.

[@Zveebo]

“Altitude 1350m. It doesn’t matter” 👍 Bulls seem to be getting into a bit of a habit of being complacent at home. Glasgow and Saints just show that when northern teams take a full squad on the road to the Bulls, it’s plenty possible to win solidly there.

[@robertfridjhon550]

The Bulks beat themselves today!! Ive never seen them so sloppy! Hannekom is looking over-rated, and Willie is seeming "past itr"!

[@nevillecoleske6368]

Bulls been stuttering this whole season! Something is not right there….

[@NS-nk9hf]

Has Jake and coaching staff reached their sell-buy date?

[@Eric-1924]

Yes.

[@AC-hu3xk]

Jake needs to learn from Rassie

[@NS-nk9hf]

True AC. But it seems Jake is unable to learn and adopt. Chris Rossouw backline coach should be replaced.

[@AC-hu3xk]

@NS-nk9hf Yeah I don't c the Bulls a happy Camp under Jake....

[@EnnisSeymour]

Bulls 2 finals jake white sbd

[@okkertgreyvenstein5765]

Bulls never got out if 1st gear to many mistakes, didn't get the rsukt we want. Last season we were scoring tries, and now we have a defense coach and that's outr own fall, go play running rugby . Lessons learned

[@marshallbravestar031]

Blue bulls,😂ha,more like blue balls 💙

[@ritchiebirnie6124]

Very poor from Bulls....James jacket on a shoogly peg

[@Eric-1924]

The sad (laughable?) irony: next week the 4 sa teams going to play bok level rugby again and kill each other again. Nope, not kill overseas teams, but each other. 🤔🙄🥴

[@nath4nt]

classic saffas blaming the ref!

[@dn822]

Where?

[@paulmulryne8405]

I haven't seen any Bulls fans blaming the ref. Their backline and JW, yes, but not the ref!

[@KewKew-do3kq]

Disgraceful turn out by bulls fans. Glad they lost

[@ivanvanrooyen7605]

All the Saffa teams were horrible investec should revoke them from the comp

[@AndrewAW-w2l]

South African provincial rugby is badly coached across the board and a HUGE threat to Springbok rugby

[@imspinningfree]

Defence was monumental at times from Saints. Yes, Bulls butchered their chances but Saints put them under so much pressure and forced them into errors. Pick a player from Saints as PotM, all put their hands up. Was hoping for a BP in any capacity without expecting the win really. But a huge Away win when we have struggled away all season.

[@ant208]

The Bulls' forwards are probably the best in the comp. They dominated the game, but their backline woeful

[@JackFrench-v5c]

I wouldn’t say the bulls forwards are the best in the comp, compared with the likes of Toulouse or Leinster

[@michaelmoynihan9591]

Stay of the mushrooms kid .bulls😂😂😂 forwards best in competition .any more jokes kid.

[@kevinbermingham6186]

Ahh cmon man . They just got beaten at home and your saying they have the best pack . A good scrum doesnt mean the best pack

[@Zveebo]

This is someone who has never watched teams like Toulouse, LaRochelle or Leinster.

[@ant208]

@kevinbermingham6186 did you watch the game? Look at the stats. Their forwards absolutely dominated. Territory, possession, and tries while their backline barely had a line break

[@AndrewAW-w2l]

I suppose a certain bulls leader is still arrogant and making BS statements completely contradictory to the facts of the matter

[@davidpells4298]

I was at the match..Invested in my transport , some food and a beer ..plus ticket cost ..First 20 mi uses doubt we saw more than 8 minutes of rugby ..Rest was TMOS , players delaying ( ok it was warm conditions but cooling rapidly with overhead storms) ..But I walked out of the match before halftime sad I had spent so much cash on so little ...After a lifetime of playing , supporting...I realized that rugby is no longer a sport for me .. Incidentally their were some young kids being very soccer like in their verbal abuse of both teams right near me . Very aggressive. .So yeah ..Cheers all ..I am out.

[@dandreehlers9817]

Bulls were shoking and should have scored 5 more tries...not a fan of the ref but if i complain im wrong soooooo

[@chrisbossman1978]

The South African teams lack the quality of the big European clubs and need to just focus on playing lower tier teams in the URC where they can actually win

[@Eric-1924]

Coaching problem, not player's only problem.

[@hannesbornman1045]

People is SA don't care about this comp. Most don't even know what it is. I myself don't bother watching the games cause SA teams are poor in it and most of the time don't even bother picking proper teams for it.

[@Zveebo]

It’s the competition where you see how main countries and leagues compare at club level. That’s why everyone loves it. Unfortunately the Saffas are letting the URC down at the moment by being pretty terrible. And don’t pretend this wasn’t a proper team - it was at home, and there was zero excuse for not playing the best players.

[@hannesbornman1045]

@Zveebo I said SA teams are poor didn't I? And I was not talking about this game. I was talking about last year when the Bulls sent a weak team to the quarter final. Theres no reason to watch a game that the coach don't even take seriously

[@Zveebo]

@@hannesbornman1045 Well that’s true, but it’s a silly attitude by the coach. More experience against NH teams of all types is one of the big advantages of being in these contests, but you only get that if you really try your best.

[@seanofarrell8896]

My question is how bad the bulls have been the 1st 2 rds. This fuels the anti SA people on social media. It's more new, in my opinion, for SA. If a SA club wins the champions cup it would be different

[@davidwalker2402]

Why is it that SAs are afraid of criticism, you always believe any criticism is personal. It’s a game of rugby the bulls didn’t deserve to win and deserve the criticism they are going to get, but after that and the sky hasn’t fallen in and life goes on and it doesn’t revolve around SA teams. You lost tough 😂

[@seanofarrell8896]

I'm a leinster fan, not a Bulls fan lol

[@davidwalker2402]

@ then your post makes no sense, unless you just changed today 🤣

[@seanofarrell8896]

@davidwalker2402 lol

[@Dihedrals]

I think Northampton got the rub of the green on some calls however there isn’t much excuse for the opportunity’s the bulls butchered during that game. They had the raw materials to win that but execution was woeful. Cameron Hanacom is some player as well.

[@Jjaaccoobb..]

I think both teams were victims to a terrible reffing display equally tbh

[@Dihedrals]

@ I would not disagree with you. French……