THE WORLD vs KING CRIMSON: A Theoretical Battle Analysis

[@crimsonshifter5338]

Diovolo basically exists outside of realitys influence during Time Erasure so it makes sense why Time stop wouldn’t affect him during TE’s activation. Personally, I think this explanation depends on if Time Stop effects is relative for dio only or if it’s absolute and affects the universe itself. If its relative to just dio then diovolo would be affected by TS even if he’s in time skip. If its absolute then that means the universe itself is stopping for 10 seconds. Meaning that anyone who can exist outside of the universes influence can escape time stop, which time erasure allows Diavolo to do. Man, this is actually messing with my head.

[@DR.Afterthought]

Finally someone who understands the conundrum

[@DebelakaPG3D]

All Time abilities are universal, i think.

[@reflex9238]

This is false, and he already refuted that in the video itself as time is still flowing in Time Erasure something which Diavolo is clearly bound to. It also seems like you don’t know what it means to exist outside of time, and it’s be a form of acausality which means that the future wouldn’t matter for him but it clearly does since he needs Epitaph to know when to use time erasure and if this was the case GER’s RTZ wouldn’t matter because his actions wouldn’t be bound by time and GER wouldn’t be able to reverse his actions which he did.

[@reflex9238]

We also do have confirmation that time stop affects the universe as a whole as Jotaro when he stopped Made in Heaven didn’t just stop time near him he stopped the time acceleration which was affecting the entire universe. Also the way you phrased on how you think Time Erasure works might want to rewrite it unless you’re actually trying to say that Diavolo destroys the entire universe and puts it together after time erasure ends.

[@OsDijider66]

who the heck is Diovolo (jk but seriously Diavolo, Fam.)

[@walterdriver22]

All this depends if Time stop is relative to Dio only or if its effecting the universe itself. If its Relative then Diavolo can’t-skip it. If it affects the universe then Time Erasure would allow Diavolo to escape it for a time.

[@SupremeKaiZamasu]

I’m pretty sure when he stops time it just makes him move extremely fast or accelerates his time

[@DebelakaPG3D]

I think every time manipulation effects the whole universe in jojo.

[@TheEmperorOfViltrum]

I think time is relative to DIO I think he said it right before he killed Joseph

[@josephrogers3666]

Made in heaven and jotaro confirmed this

[@ricktran4184]

Dio vs Diavolo is one of the most close fights ever in the whole jojo universe they are both extremely powerful but I would think the world is stronger

[@ricardomilos3872]

I think if diavolo activated TE first , while Dio activated TS during TE , diavolo would basically witness Dio following the flow of fate until he suddenly teleports into a different spot and then continues his following of fate , TE works on time , not the duration in which Dio has stopped it's flow , basically the 10s of timestop wouldn't count in diavolo's TE . In 0 real seconds , Dio has the duration of 10s to do whatever he wants while diavolo escapes fate for 10 real seconds while also erasing the perception of those 10 real seconds for Dio .

[@Ferrari03]

Just a reminder that the maximum duration of Dio’s time stop is 9 seconds, not 10

[@leandroandong7400]

Lucky for him Diavolo has a bonus epitaph

[@helpme2883]

@@Ferrari03could be 10🗿

[@ricardomilos3872]

@@leandroandong7400I don't think it would be that helpful given how he'll only see himself getting killed, so he wouldn't have a large frame of Deta on Dio's timestop , like even if epitaph was actually capable of fully revealing what would exactly happen during the next 10s and not just the outcome of that 10s , he would still be confused witnessing Dio randomly teleporting, I don't think diavolo can win against Dio cuz he can easily discover diavolo's TE the moment he activate it cuz it's way more noticeable than TS and we know Dio is one of the smartest characters in the series so he would easily find a way to counter it + he's a vampire and can heal himself which means he could take hits from KC

[@leandroandong7400]

@@ricardomilos3872 Diavolo will have a hard time killing Dio because of his vampiric abilities but with his deadly chop, he can give a good fight, he will just skip his death and phase to dio attack the moment he see it. the reason why Diavolo is the most potent in Jojo, is because his KC is not just time erasure, it also allows him to exemplify himself in fated action and avoid the 10 sec of unfavorable fate the same way he did with Rissoto and also use this as advantage to skip the process if what he see in epitaph is favorable towards him like impaling Narancia or getting Trish. And don't underestimate his Intellect, cause he is the first to figure out the weakness of Silver Chariot requiem which is mind boggling for me when it appeared. So the battle between who can win between Dio and Diavolo is a battle of who can activate first. like a battle between Meg and Mosasaurus(who can chomp first). and If the question is who has the best temporal stand ability, it will be King Crimson, this ability legit deny any attack you did to him by removing himself to causation/time/fate for a fraction of sec. Which is why the protagonist(Giorno) evolved his stand into not just an ability but a condition which is to revert any fated action even intent into Zero. If any protagonist has this KC ability, legit itcan solve 80% of their problems which revolve around fate.

[@johnbarlow862]

I think Dio being a vampire plays a major role in it as well. Even if Diavolo activated his ability first, Dio could just regenerate from any of KC's attacks.

[@BUR404]

Right. KC’s signature impale or slice move is useless.

[@johnbarlow862]

Well, most of his attacks anyway. Dio can reattach limbs if necessary.

[@fesmerosherkez5267]

Not if Dio gets decapitated.

[@johnbarlow862]

@@fesmerosherkez5267 Maybe. Diavolo can be very crafty. But he would have to think to completely destroy Dio's brain, and I don't think the fight would go on long enough for him to figure it out. But I could be wrong.

[@syrexlee2021]

True. That’s the only useful weapon for Dio against Diavolo. TE makes TS nearly useful. Dio will win ONLY if Diavolo makes a mistake and Dio rely on the combination of TS and Vampire abilities. And even in this case Diavolo still has a chance to erase time before Dio’s sequence.

[@AngryCrimson322]

time stop and time erasure interaction wasn't really explained properly. if Kc activated time erasure first and then Dio stopped time, for Diavolo, Dio would just teleport. he wouldn't be frozen, that doesn't make sense. like you've said, everything that Dio does in stopped time is outside of the flow of time, therefor Diavolo wouldn't be able to see inside of the time stop during time erasure so he would just see Dio teleport from one place to another and since Diavolo is intangible during time erasure it doesn't matter what Dio will do during stopped time, all the damage would be negated. yeah it's a bit confusing but I hope this makes sense.

[@susboi7013]

We have to remember that the reason why Diavolo is intangible and invincible to attacks in erased time is due to the events being erased. And just like the video and you have said, the events of stopped time won't be erased, so therefore Diavolo is no longer intangible during it, so DIO can just kill him

[@Leig5H0T]

no he literally said diavolo isn't actually deleting events. he's becoming intangible

[@susboi7013]

@@Leig5H0T It doesn't make sense for Diavolo to allow everyone's perception of time be erased, while also being intangible, without explaining that he's erasing those events literally. He can't just have an ability to make himself INTANGIBLE while also erasing everyone's consciousness for ten seconds, while it is literally stated in Araki's narrative, that his ability is to Erase literal time. Yes the ability is inconsistent throughout the series, but if the author intended the ability to be erasing literal time, then it is. Explanation: By continuously erasing segments of literal time, the events that occur within that erased time ceases to be physically tangible, which is why Diavolo is "intangible" during it. And because the entire reason why Diavolo can't be harmed by anything in erased time is because they are erased, that means what occurs inside an event like Stopped time, which literally occurs outside of time (while it is not flowing), there's is no way for King crimson to erase the TIME of it, therefore Diavolo is vulnerable in it.

[@Leig5H0T]

@@susboi7013 what happens in stopped time does not occur outside of time, it occurs in an instant(ce) of time and the actions would exist on a timeline, just in the same spot. there'd literally have to be an instance on a timeline where diavolo is harmed by the actions that occured in timestop, and it'd be erasable

[@susboi7013]

@@Leig5H0T If you assume that the events in frozen time would be erased along with the time paused, that would be assuming that the events in stopped time occured simultaneously with the paused time. But that is wrong because the timestopper stops time, then performs actions during it. It appears to be an instant to all others because time was paused for them, but in reality 1. Time pauses 2. The timestopper performs actions while time is not resuming 3.Time resumes They aren't actually one instant occurrence. Erasing time would only erase up to the time frame in which time stops, and the actions that occur while time is paused cimes after, and won't be erased, for the time erasing ability can't erase actions that don't occur along with the flow of time.

[@lewascan2676]

Taking these abilities at face value, whoever wins this matchup is merely whoever acts second for one simple reason: Cooldowns. They both have one, even if it’s only short. That means, for example, if Diavolo erases time, and DIO waits to stop time until the exact moment his foe disappears from sight, he will catch Diavolo in his cooldown period, and the latter won’t be able to do anything, no matter that he can see it coming with Epitaph. The inverse is also true, of course. Basically, it’s just a matter of whoever first considers the idea of letting the other “blink first” and subsequently make themselves vulnerable. Also worth noting: Epitaph is an active ability, not passive, so Diavolo is very much vulnerable to this strategy if he erroneously assumes his attack will be a kill without looking further forward, as evidenced by Polnareff being able to hit him in the moment after TE ends. In exactly that same way, DIO could catch him with TS. Honestly, also given his ability to survive kill shots via vamp durability, yeah, DIO is going to win most variants of this matchup unless Diavolo gets lucky.

[@kujoova]

Diavolo is significantly slower than DIO, his time erase would be ineffective. Simplification = Star Platinum (?) The World> Anubis Chariot > Diavolo >= Silver Chariot. Diavolo just barely avoided Silver Chariot's timed attack, which also brings into question Diavolo's speed. If he really was that much faster, Silver CHariot would have never hit him. Theres also Diavolo himself admitting that he would have been "Gravely Injured", interpret that as you will.

[@kingclampz6081]

Diavolo would have to doughnut dio in the head to win

[@arnigeir1597]

@@kujoova Silver chariot is close to as fast as SP, it's just not as strong or durable. Diavolo avoided an attack he wasn't expecting, but Polnareff didn't know where he would appear, hence the wide swing. Polnareff was able to catch Dio in a similar fashion, who wasn't able to dodge. The stands have the same listed speed after all.

[@CisnePelado]

Little reminder that the first time we saw KC's abilities (Elevator scene), we seen that Diavolo could activate it consecutively enough for him to break the ceiling, chop Trish's hand and get out of there without Bucciaratti even noticing. And take in mind he can't interact with people or objects while using Time Erasure, so it's proven he needed to deactivate it for those two "breaking" actions and activate it again in a few miliseconds between them to make Bucciaratti not realize what happened until he already took Trish

[@lewascan2676]

​@@CisnePelado OH the elevator scene is far more broken than it sounds, because it's right in that interaction that we get to one of the more busted uses of KC. All of those actions? Those were a _SINGLE_ time skip, not several. You may ask "how", but it's actually quite terrifyingly simple. It's the same way he killed Narancia without anyone having a single chance to react. The reality is that KC's fate power also accounts for any actions he would have committed to even if he never skipped time. What this means is that if KC skips a segment of time in which he would have punched a hole in your chest regardless, that fate _still happens_ even without him there to commit it. Because of this, he was able to steal Trish, clean the hotel room and kill Narancia unseen in all three cases, because the fate where he stayed to actually perform those actions personally still occurs, and Diavolo gets to watch the predetermined actions occur from outside them all the while, suffering none of the potential pitfalls of actually being there. It means he could preemptively commit to a future where he lethally injured someone at the cost of a similar injury, but he steps outside of the period of time and avoids the injury he would have taken. Meanwhile, his enemy is still donuted with no possible chance to alter course in the exchange. It's hilariously broken, because what this means is that KC actually _CAN_ attack you while in TS, just as long as the attack would have succeeded even if her didn't activate the ability. Worse still though, based on the elevator and Narancia death scenes, there may even be the implication that his skipped time can lock others into a future where he never acted at all, thus leaving them unmoved. Like with Bruno, who should reasonably have moved to defend in a future where Diavolo stepped into the elevator, chopped off Trish's hand and left, but Bruno wasn't even able to react until the TS ended. Similarly, Narancia's death is accompanied by all his allies not having moved to defend him in the erased time period. It's quite sinister. And honestly? In hindsight, having considered this long after my initial comment, I would say this additional x-factor gives Diavolo a much greater chance of victory in this theoretical DIO matchup. Because a factor like this means Diavolo doesn't actually labor under the disadvantage of not being able to simultaneously attack and defend the way DIO's Time Stop allows him to.

[@rosicroix]

Imagine time as a straight line constantly moving forward, different points in time are the events that take place. In the case of TE (Time Erasure), the flow of time does not stop, it continues moving. From everyone's POV, they spontaneously moved forward in the timeline. (Illusion, they simply were in a state of unconsciousness during TE) From Diavolo's POV, there is no change in the flow of time. In the case of TS (Time Stop), time moves forward normally, at a certain point however, a myriad of events took place in a very minuscule amount of time. Both TS and TE result in causality being warped for everyone else's POV. TE: Time Flow continues normally, everyone except for Diavolo however enters a trance-like state and cannot remember anything that occured. During this they're puppeteered by fate itself as well, resulting in a loss of causality from their perspective TS: Time flow continues normally, DIO however concludes a myriad of actions that exist outside of the time-flow. The effects of these actions however show after TS, resulting in a loss of causality for everyone else. In both cases the effects of DIO's actions (for TS) or Fate's actions (for TE) occur, the causes being only known by DIO or Diavolo respectively. If DIO stops time before TE, time will stop as usual, DIO will do whatever he wants and after TS has ended, Diavolo will be able to erase time. If Diavolo erases time before TS, time will be erased as usual, but a break in casuality will occur out of nowhere (a knife will pop up out of thin air, DIO will have teleported somewhere else, someone may have died) and then TE will continue before ending. From DIO's POV he never saw stopped time. Everything he would've done in stopped time happened in a fraction of a second as seen by Diavolo, but it was skipped by TE for everyone else (including DIO). Diavolo cannot get trapped in TS if he erased time prior, as TS would have started and ended before TE finished. In a battle between them. DIO would win easily if he stopped time prior to Diavolo erasing time, as he would've just killed him during TS. If Diavolo however erased time firstly, he would be confused as to why DIO suddenly teleported during TE, and TE ends he'd go for the hit. Assuming DIO still has his vampiric abilities, Diavolo's impale wouldn't do much so it might have to be followed up by more attacks. Diavolo has a winning chance if he knows how TS works, he can use epitaph to see any breaks in causality, and then erase time right before the break happens, rendering TS useless

[@noth1ng_2ornot34]

I agree with u 100%, diavolo definitely has the upper hand since he has got epitaph in his possession, seeing through any attack (after ts, or not) and skipping past it, while also gaining an advantageous position during that erased time

[@Tankirb]

Actually there is a slight problem with erasing time right before time is stopped. TE will also erase the recharge period of TS. Meaning that since right before TE Deo was intending to use TS, as soon as TE ends Deo would still use TS. From Deo's perspective it would appear as if he was teleported as soon as he used TS. Diavolo's best chance would be to use TE a few seconds before Deo uses TS. Deo wouldn't have intended to use TS yet so when TE is over Deo wouldn't insta pop TS. However Deo would still have the advantage even here. He has high durability and took several direct hits from star platinum and only head damage would kill him. So chances are Deo notices the sudden hole through his chest and stops time a second or 2 after he gets hurt. Diavolo since he just used TE would not have a way of evading Deo's TS attacks and would die.

[@asmallapple1509]

@@Tankirbdiavolo doesn’t have to skip for his maximum duration. He can spam multiple skips of smaller durations. He does this in the story

[@Leig5H0T]

so he'd kill jotaro but probably not dio

[@MCDEMON-OG]

​​@@Tankirb diavolo can spam as well he does not have to use maximum duration its like a 0.1 second time erase is enough if done precisely like how he did to Aerosmith bullets 0.1 seconds> 0 time passed

[@DebelakaPG3D]

In my opinion, Diavolo doesn't erase time, but he's erasing himself out of time and fate, making him invicible to almost anything, including time stop for 10 seconds. The real question is, after he countered time stop, how he's gonna attack Dio, since he's a vampire. I would say only if KC counters time stop and chops DIO's head completly, the he wins, if he fails to chop Dio's head, then it's gonna be really bad.

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

But DIO can easily survive as just a head

[@WarpingFist]

Interesting, its fun to see how people interpret how these two abilities would interact with each other. Would Time stop interrupt time skip? Would it make activating time erasure to a specific point impossible? Or would it simply make it so Diavolo can’t see dio’s future actions? Would time erasure letting diavolo escape fate mean he’s immune to time stop as long as it’s active? Like some other commenters said, it really depends on if time stop is relative to dio or if it affects the universe Only the author can really answer these questions tbh.

[@ricardomilos3872]

I think if diavolo activated TE first , while Dio activated TS during TE , diavolo would basically witness Dio following the flow of fate until he suddenly teleports into a different spot and then continues his follow of fate , TE works on time , not the duration in which Dio has stopped it's flow , basically the 10s of timestop wouldn't count in diavolo's TE . In 0 real seconds , Dio has the duration of 10s to do whatever he wants while diavolo escapes fate for 10 real seconds while also erasing the perception of those 10 real seconds for Dio .

[@cinnabarmanx4214]

I think this is a very good analysis of the battle. Diavolo has next to no chance to win thanks to the superiority of Time Stop and how it grows, plus how predictable he is. Also something important to mention is that Diavolo as a character is so cocky he literally tells his opponents how King Crimson works so DIO would have no trouble figuring out his power lol. At least DIO keeps his mouth shut about The World’s power lol.

[@Dronk.D.Scales]

Diavolo can win due to the crazy broken ability of time erase and how trippy and confusing it is and being a great defensive ability and also epitaph makes the combo more dangerous DIO wins 7/10 times due to being a vampire but human timestopper like Diego VS Diavolo is going to be 50:50

[@FriendlyDarkwraith]

There's no way for King Crimson to skip "into" The World's time stop, since a time stop of any "length" would automatically be skipped by King Crimson's ability. Whether or not DIO would appear to "freeze" in erased time, or simply "skip" around himself along with whatever objects he's interacted with during "stopped time", is anybody's guess. The World's time stop only takes place in a fraction of a moment in time, which King Crimson would easily skip over due to its ability to "erase" up to 10 seconds of time. Because of Epitaph's ability to predict up to 10 seconds in the future, King Crimson would always activate its ability before The World.

[@faishiro5009]

That was exactly what I was thinking like it that it would come down to the fact that when time stop activates, any actions taken within Time Stop happen instantly but Time Erasure happens within ten seconds of actual time. It does not matter how "long" it is unless Dio can set up a scenario in which Diavolo has no chance to escape (like somehow set up like a barrage of knives that hits all spots Diavolo can get to in 10 secs for over 10 seconds) then Diavolo just skips and does his attack. From a pure stand vs stand it seems to me like Diavolo cannot lose as opposed to what the video. Like the only reason Dio would/could win is that Dio is a vampire and has more experience and endurance so he'd be able to figure out how it works and be able to predict when it is going off and then attack. Though idk I am not an expert.

[@Человек-ь9т]

time stop 0 second.Dio winner

[@八雲藍-y2j]

How can diavolo skip time if time is completely stopped?

[@Wolf-ix9vv]

6:44 PING CRIMSON

[@jscordoba3]

LMAO! Great comment!

[@lightsofdeath5590]

mind you they both yell out their stand names when about to do one of those

[@babies1238]

This would only make sense if DIO's ability froze space *instead* of time. It would have essentially the same effect, but allow other time-based effects to interfere. Now, if DIO froze time instead, then Diavolo would see DIO teleport at some point during the time skip. In this scenario, Diavolo could win.

[@The_Comment_Section_and_chat]

If both of them activated their abilities at the same time Diavolo would see Dio teleport and then he'd go behind him and kill him, that's it.

[@KC-iv2fm]

I think you forgot to take epitaph into account for this battle. considering diavolo could simply just witness himself getting killed and just skip past it avoiding his fate while if dio was on the receiving end of fate he wouldnt be able to stop it from happening

[@RobloxPro09]

it wouldn't work on timestop, he could risk skipping into it if he does it too early. epitaph wont work on dio either, diavolo cant perceive timestop so its just dio teleporting around for seemingly no god damn reason other than he's a stand user

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

@@RobloxPro09maybe Diavolo would believe that DIO too has a timeskip.

[@AikaMonomon]

finally someone who tackled this debate where I can understand all of it

[@slesh_master]

So basically if Time skip is activated and Time stop after it. Diavolo seas Dio's fated frames like in a game and in between some of them aren't record since it was his action during time stop. From Dio's pov the Time skip effect stops during the Time Stop which leaves Dio confused but still allows him to willingly perform his Time Stop action, once it runs out he will be affected by Time Erase and Epitaph prediction. BOT you kind of forgot that Time Erase Time still passes on in real time and Time Stop time doesn't since not even a second passes of real time. But I agree with the conclusion of the video the explanation was kinda weird but interesting as an interpretation what would happen during both effects!

[@Nivvass]

time stop's events occur in 0 seconds, meaning they would be erased by diavolo's ability

[@nemanikodarko]

i said it before and ill say it again this man is underrated

[@popmrpopcornrell3215]

I agree with all of these except the stalemate example, the only reason this doesn’t work is because timestop I believe is a universal event therefore like what people comment, time erase would skip over dio’s timestop. The only reason I say it’s universal is because the fact in part 6 time stop got shortened because universe acceleration, which is tied to the universe resetting aka a universe phenomenon. But dio’s still wins because of regeneration. But finally in a case where which one would win in a fight stands alone no character hacks, king crimson would win

[@huntterra]

In the last part you said that king crimson would win if the battle didn’t use any stand abilities, but Dio has regeneration, super strength and speed, and all his other base abilities without his stand. Also, the world is likely way stronger and more precise than king crimson, seeing as we never saw king crimson be able to lift anything as heavy, or see anything as far. Finally, Dio is just way smarter and knows much more about fighting, so I think in every scenario with or without abilities Dio wins

[@Tankirb]

My take: if activated at the same time Deo would see himself and Diavolo teleport. While Diavolo would see Deo teleport while he was "erasing time" Explanation: Kingcrimson is not truly erasing time and he is not outside of time. he is simply entering an intagible state and can deviate from his fate for 10 seconds. And only he will have memory of those 10 seconds. We know he can't literally be outside of time because he still see's everybody else's actions move in real time. He can't stop moving through time and he can't go backwards in time. We know this because he see's time going in reverse when he encounters GER which he notes as irregular. Erasing time and being outside of time is merely language which makes it easier to grasp how his powers work. From the outside perspective it would appear he erased a moment of time however from his perspective he still saw all that time pass. However Deo is actually stopping time. Since Diavolo is clearly subject to time since he keeps moving forward through time Deo's time stop would still work on him. So Diavolo would just see Deo suddenly teleport. Lets use an example to make this easier. Original fate: Deo stops time. He barrage punches Diavolo. Time resumes. Deo monologues over his dying body and walks away once he dies. Epitaph: Diavolo see's him and Deo standing. Then they both teleport and he's on the floor dying while Deo stands over him monologuing. Reality: Diavolo unaware of what happened but knowing that he is currently fated to die starts "erasing" time to escape that fate. They are both currently standing. Then Deo activates time stop and performs his fated action. Because Deo can't alter fate he does the barrage. Diavolo even when time is stopped is still intangible so even if Deo punched where Diavolo is during the "erased time" he couldn't hurt him. Deo finishes the barrage and time resumes. Diavolo now see's Deo seemingly teleport and then begin monologuing. Now as for the winner I'd have to say Deo. Deo has some pretty insane durability and pretty good regen. It took a lot of hits from star platinum to take him down and at best king crimson is equal in strength however his fighting style is much more based in assassination kills so even though he does the same damage per attack he naturally does much less attacks than Star platinum making for lower DPS. This is especially disadvantageous since Deo can regen so Diavolo has to deal lots of damage very quickly. In addition Deo can spam Time stop more than Diavolo can. Lets say they both have a 10 second cooldown on their abilities and they both activate at the same time. 0: they activate T1-10: the entirety of Deo's time stop actions take place E1-9: Deo's time stop is charging, and Diavolo sets himself up for a sneak attack. E10: time erasure is finished and has begun charging. Time stop has finished charging and is ready to be used. See what just happened here? The first time stop happened mid erasure. And then the recharging time is skipped by time erasure allowing it to be used immediately. In addition Time erasure erases the targets memory meaning whatever they were intending to do before the erasure is what try to do after the erasure. And now that Diavolo no longer has time skip he can't avoid being pummeled by Deo in time stop. So Diavolo literally can't escape Deo's time stop. Allow me to show you with an example. Fate: Deo stops time, barrage punches Diavolo, monolouges, walks away. Epitaph: Diavolo and Deo teleport leaving Diavolo dying on the floor Diavolo's perspective: Seeing he is fated to die and that fate can't be altered activates time "erasure" to escape this fate. He see's Deo teleport like in the vision and then begin monologuing. Diavolo not understanding what just happens looks at epitaph, he see's himself preparing to punch Deo from behind only for him and Deo to teleport again leaving him dying on the floor. Diavolo checks epitaph again with different strategies but they all leave him a red paste on the floor. He does this until time skip finishes. At which point he teleports and see's Deo standing over him as he bleeds out. Deo's perspective. Deo begins to stop time. He teleports and then time stops. He takes note that he's not where he was standing a second ago and looks around and see's king crimson about to punch him. He then punches Diavolo into the ground until time stop runs out. He then monologues over his dying body. Tldr: King crimson still follows the linear progression of time thus time stop would affect him and it would appear to him like Deo kust teleported. Time skip would then skip over time stops recharge time making it ready to use as soon as time skip is over while Diavolo still meeds to recharge. Deo has no memory of the time skip and thus since he began activating time stop prior to the skip he would activate time stop as soon as time skip ends. To him it would appear like he teleported as soon as he activated time stop. He would then pummel Diavolo which Diavolo can't do anything to stop since Time skip is still recharging.

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

Interesting. Cool explanation!

[@adamnoobmaster7490]

The World is obviously king and master of time

[@rune1220]

I think it's all highly dependant on how the period that gets skipped is determined by king crimson. 1) king crimson takes now and a set point 10 seconds into the future, and skips absolutely everything that occurs in between no matter how many seconds might be compressed into a single instant through time stop. So if the world's activated in that period of time the full time stop would be skipped as well, though from king crimson's perspective it dio would just instantly teleport mid time skip following whatever he was fated to do in his time stop, but he wouldn't remember any of it. And since diavolo was intangible at the start and end of time stop, he remains so during it. In this scenario, dio would remain a slave to fate, and thus diavolo would have the advantage, knowing everything that would happen still. 2) King crimson only skips the 10 seconds it can percieve. So if the world is used mid time skip, Dio would regain awareness for the full duration of time stop, since this is beyond king crimson's range. While diavolo should still be intangible due to king crimson, Dio should now be aware of king crimson's activation, and as a side effect of this his fate has now changed from what epitaph would have seen. This would mean that once time stop ends and time skip resumes, diavolo would now be confronted with dio acting in a way that was not predicted by epitaph. In this case, it's a very even matchup. Dio will be forced to adapt to a partial time skip first as he awakens mid time stop, and then adapt once more post time skip. Diavolo meanwhile will have to keep working around Dio's fate having changed for the latter half of time skip. 3) King crimson skips the next 10 seconds, regardless of whether they are during real time or frozen time. If this is the case it would somewhat like the following: Diavolo skips time, king crimson's timer starts running 6 seconds into skipped time, the world gets activated Diavolo stops moving but remains untouchable, meanwhile dio starts moving but is not aware of his actions. King crimson's timer keeps tickin. 4 seconds pass and king crimson's timer ends, time skip is stopped, diavolo becomes tangible once more, and dio becomes aware while already partially in time stop. Dio finishes his remaining seconds, and time stop ends. This would be the most interresting scenario imo because it heavily relies on how long dio is able to stop time. If it's the standard 5 seconds of part 3, then diavolo can easily remain intangible for the entirety of time stop, and still have time to spare to react to whatever dio might have done during time stop. Though it would still put a big limit on his abilities. Meanwhile if dio's time stop is at the 9 seconds of end of part 3 (or god forbid even beyond), then diavolo will be forced to choose between if he wants to be intangible and safe for the majority of stopped time, or if he wants to go on the offensive and lay a trap (blood in the eyes) before it even begins.

[@epicotakugamer4930]

The World has stronger stats and could bypass Time Erasure so King Crimson gets mopped.

[@gargamella69]

How Is he supposed to bypass time erease?

[@Aetheron.]

Wait this is more of a question. If Dio activiated time stop during Time erasure. Woudn't time stop start and end immediatly? Because King Crimson can't be conscious during time stop. Woudn't Dio just teleport to a random spot as if Diavolo coudn't see the stopped time? Personally I think the battle mostly comes down to if King Crimson and Diavolo are affected by time stop during the world's ability. So if King Crimson isn't affected by time stop and is not concious while the time stop is active I would argue that King Crimson would just Skip Over the entire time stop but if King crimson is concious during the ability, would diavolo's ability end after time stop and shorten the span of his time erasure to practically 0 seconds for the outside world or would it extend time stop to 20 seconds?

[@OurDarkGoldenHero]

People have to understand that Diovolo isn't actually messing with time, he's just stepping outside of it and affecting everyone's perception of time. Basically, Diovolo is a shark that can step outside of the ocean for 10 seconds. Dio is the killer whale that can freeze the entire ocean for 10 seconds. Diovolo would still be moving outside of the frozen time, yes. But the minute it ends he'll still return to the frozen time.

[@BUR404]

I like this analogy. Basically if Diavolo is a shark then time erasure basically allows him to jump out of the water for ten seconds but the minute he falls back in he’ll get frozen.

[@leandroandong7400]

​@@BUR404Lucky for Diavolo KC has epitaph ability which will allow him to select which frame of 10 sec he need to avoid.

[@Iengem]

Thats wrong, multiple statements from diavolo himself and stand statements prove that he actually erases time.

[@The-Beyonder]

​@@Iengem it's a nomenclature thing. He's not literally erasing time

[@kingclampz6081]

@@The-Beyonderno he is erasing time that’s his official ability and stayed by the author whatever else nonsense y’all come with is non canon and ignored

[@penknee9693]

Cool theory bro, heres a bit of my interpretation building off your points: I like the idea that KC would be able to see everyones fated movements right up until Dio activates The World which freezes everything in place. This would essentially make Diavolo completely blind to what will happen in the next few seconds. KC can still move to within time erasure (since he alone is free from the influence of fate) but he can no longer observe the fated movement’s of anything around him since Dio is the only one able to view what happens in stopped time. Time erasure then ends and KC is forced into time stop Its like bro is blindfolded. His worse nightmare. I guess TS could cancel and interrupt TE but I like this version more.

[@jtinfinite4434]

The thing is TS is instantaneous to others so he would just see a sudden jump in whatever premonition he got, he could still skip over the moment that was stopped because it doesn’t last 10 seconds for anyone but DIO but it’s just instant for Diavolo which means he would for sure be able to see something weird in his premonition especially if he got attacked during that instant, showing Diavolo what happened and allowing him to skip over that “instant” which is just TS

[@JtaroKujo]

if time stop , well basically stops time, then epitaph would be just useless, but time erasure will be ultimate counter, because stopped time takes 0 seconds and it will be included into erased segment, leading to king crimson taking the best position to attack. However, in my interpretation, dio doesn’t stop time, he just freezes whole world, but time still goes. In that case diavolo’s epitaph will work, but time erasure will be kinda useless. Because, yeah he won’t be affected while he is erased time, but after time erase he will be probably freezed as dio would >50% use it after te

[@JtaroKujo]

Tho, if we compare their prime versions, king crimson initially could erase 12 seconds, so king crimson need only predict and activate te right before dio’s ability. But nerfed kc will probably lose

[@xj_raykelmichaeltewu8962]

​@@JtaroKujoi think if dio ability is real time stop, then who ever activate their ability first is gonna win. cause if KC activate first (KC ability is skip time) and while during KC dio activate his TW ( time stop ) that means KC time skip is freeze and diavolo still invicible, after TW (time stop) KC is still going and diavolo would easy kill dio (but dio is vampire i think not that easy if he regenerate). And if dio TW (time stop) diavolo would be a donut

[@Petter_GM]

Very good video and compelling arguments

[@dragonmaster2486]

The world vs made in heaven next

[@sadeknight9112]

Epitaph cannot see into DIO’s frozen time. All Diavolo would know is that something would attack him during that instant. Say Diavolo knows he’s going to get killed by The World during the time stop and so activates King Crimson to dodge it and get behind DIO to counterattack. Unbeknownst to Diavolo, during stopped time, DIO attacked everything around him and not just where Diavolo was fated to be. Diavolo would be killed mid timeskip unless Epitaph updated mid timeskip.

[@CisnePelado]

Diavolo isn't tangible during time skip (f.e. when he skipped over 0,5 seconds for Aerosmith's bullets to pass through him) so even if Dio attacked everything around him, the attack occurred during stopped time, a lapse that takes 0 seconds, and during a moment where Diavolo couldn't be touched.

[@xingzhizhang]

This is an incredible theoretical interaction between the two time manipulating stands, this should be the JoJo community's main interpretation of the two's fight. It removes so much misconceptions and provides such a well thought perspective of the two fighters during this thereotical battle. The only thing I want to point out is that I don't think Diavolo is really untouchable in erased time because he is somehow "removed from all fate and effects of the universe", it's because him erasing events and actions makes them unable to touch Diavolo. But as you have explained, DIO's timestop still works in erased time and DIO can still act however he likes, Diavolo will no longer be invulnerable to DIO's attacks and would lose even more badly in this fight.

[@SlayerEndX13]

TS doesn’t put Dio outside of time, it just slows time relative to him. He’s still vulnerable to Epitaph, which would see the effects of Dio’s attack. From Diavolo’s perspective via TE, he would see Dio teleporting. But from Dio’s perspective, he’d be in the middle of TS’s cooldown, he & Diavolo have both teleported, and KC is right behind him. Diavolo loses because Dio’s vamp physiology lets Dio survive getting his chest blown out, but Epitaph is the dealbreaker that would put KC above Star Platinum.

[@noth1ng_2ornot34]

I dont think diavolo loses becuz of dios vampiric abilities, even if dio survives, first of all his regeneration isnt the best, and even if he goes for an attack at that time epitaph can see thru that

[@actpuzzled4441]

Its also worth taking into account that erase time more or less wastes the time stop cooldown, given any events during the timestop would be skipped (in my interpretation)

[@konodiavolo3498]

6:44 Dude why would you use thet lmaooo

[@jtinfinite4434]

People are acting like time stops lasts time, relative to the real world it lasts 10 seconds but to any outsider time stop is literally instant, so time skip would last longer, and during time stop diavolo pretty much doesn’t exist, so diavolos time skip overpowers time stop

[@Tom-jg9de]

Remeber makig a Theory? Skip time is Time stop but weird -Time still go's narmaly but but the place is Gone puff -olny diavlo (maybe other time Youser's?" Can move in it -it's base on luck or "faith" so it mean's if she can or can't Do some cool stuff Don't make sense? Yea i was making this theory before waching P5 so

[@11jouske11]

I have a feeling that dio would get his himself get impaled but since he is a vampire he wouldnt die from it then diavolo gets impaled from za warudo from behind

[@Leig5H0T]

time stop shouldn't count as any time spent in time erasure bc it's literally 0 seconds. dio wouldn't stop, he'd teleport. diavolo would experience timestop the same way any non ts user would witness it, only he'd be immune to any attacks during time erase

[@josephkingman9453]

even if diavalo lands a hit on dio, unless its very fatal, dio will just regenrate, hes a vampire, sure he is weakest cause jojo's body but he still is a vampire

[@gio.gionosakan]

The greatest question we have to answer is if Dio would be concious if he stopped time during a time erasure and if he would be able to interact with Diavolo at that time. I think the best non canon answer lies in the most recent Jojo game, Last Survivor. In this game, when Diavolo erases time, everyone else's environment becomes a space-like void and Diavolo becomes invisible, meaning they aren't supposed to be concious at that time. When Dio stops time during this sequence, his environment is still a void (meaning he's not conscious) but if he happens to hit invisible Diavolo by chance, once the time stop ends, Diavolo does take damage. This all means that (at least for the standards of Last Survivors' makers), DIO would not be able to perceive anything during Time Erasure, but if it's fated for him to stop time and try to donut Diavolo during the 10 second time skip, and he actually lands the hit during his Time stop, Diavolo is dead. Diavolo's best choice would be to skip time and move as far away as possible to dogde Dio's potential time stop attacks.

[@noth1ng_2ornot34]

Well the only reason he can damage diavolo is because instead of intangible he is invisible as you said, i believe that while he stopped time in the skipped time he wouldnt even be able to hit diavolo

[@Pharos-j4g]

I approach this eith a diffirent persfective. I originally made a more complex comment but showing it with numbers will be better than explane it only with words. In your persfective the interact is. Time erase:1, 2, 3,5, time stop 1-time erase 6, time stop 2, time erase 7... My persfective: time erase: 1, 2, 3, 4, (time stop:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10) 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. See. I mean while the "time" in the stoped time is passing its not count as a passed time in the universe. Its betwen the seconds in the real seconds. Like the files with in the files. Thats why I belive when diavolo erase time, the stoped time betwen the seconds the diavolo erased is also gonna be erased. And also there is also the another reason. The bubble appeares to stop time is probally not a space time distortion. It woukd make more sense if its "gravity" and we now in the erased time gravity dont effect diavolo. So even if everything stops somehow diavolo wouldnt be stoped by gravity. And also I dont think diavolo can see the stoped time in the epithep but he can see its counsquences. Or at least he can see when its started. So in my theory diavolo will see in the future dios time stops ending and what thinks changed after he did that. And when dio activates time stop in erased time eather dio will just gonna teleport while still in the eraed time or diavolo will not be stoped by gravity and gonna watch what happend in the stoped time and when the gravity that effects time is gone universe time will keep passing. And diavolo will gonna keep erasing them. And there is no way dio can stop time before diavolo becof the epithap

[@raresscortanu2757]

I believe this is how king crimson works: epitaph shows ones fate which one can change by doing different things. However, king crimson allows diavolo to lock in a negative trait using his time skip

[@ivannatinkle4787]

I like how you actually understand king crimson

[@Lazar-TS]

It's sad to see, but this video is just wrong. DIO's time-stop ends as soon as it starts. IT DOES NOT RUN PARALLEL to time-erase, and thus is doesn't matter when during time-erase it was activated, as it would be skipped anyway. This is because no time passes between the start of time-stop and end of time-stop. DIO would just teleport during Diavolo's time-erasure and would continue moving as fated (still unaware, not even knowing he had used his ability). Because time would be skipped, from DIO's perspective, his time stop would've happened and been over without him even realising. TL;DR: Diavolo would be hoping DIO *does* activate his ability during time-erase, and his chances of winning are much higher than what the video proposes.

[@kingclampz6081]

Correct

[@bruhmongerer5060]

There's a 1 second difference right? So it only fucks DIO up if he activates it immediately. But if Dio doesn't immediately activate it, KC will run out mid-timestop.

[@Lazar-TS]

@@bruhmongerer5060 if DIO activates it immediately, time is stopped and KC can't do anything. KC's Time Erase won't run out during time stop because... the flow of time is stopped, so Time Erase's 10 seconds will also stop ticking down until time resumes again. But this will be predicted and skipped either way, so stopping time during Time Erase accomplishes nothing for DIO.

[@八雲藍-y2j]

How the hell can diavolo skip time if time is completely stopped

[@Lazar-TS]

@@八雲藍-y2j He can't skip time, he's screwed. I assume you mean if Time STOP activates before King Crimson's ability and not during.

[@patpat5672]

If we’re looking at this fight as DIO and the world vs Diavolo and king crimson DIO will win since Diavolo has no sure fire way to inflict permanent damage on DIO. But if it’s just The World vs King Crimson then it once again falls to which ability triggers first, if time stop triggers first than The World wins but if time erase triggers first it depends on how time stop works. If all actions in time stop happens in an instant then in time erase it’ll look like the world just teleported to another spot, giving King Crimson a chance to attack, or if fated, The World taking damage or being killed in time skip. If time stop just stops everything from moving for 10 seconds then it’ll probably play out like this video mentioned. So in the end The World is still more likely to win

[@anjansharma8631]

Stando powah

[@Carbun4732]

Using PewDiePie's bridge incident as an example is hilarious

[@turzilla]

once dio notices something is strange wouldnt he simply use time stop and win?

[@nicoruppert4207]

Diavolo sees the future so he'll predict that

[@omariwashington2570]

​@@nicoruppert4207Dio would just attack him in stop time, mentally diavolo Would die before KC activates.

[@GM_Neo]

If I had to imagine what would hallen if they interacted with each other, if the duration is the same, the moment they activate nothing would happen. During time stop Diavolo can't perceive, and during time skip Dio can't perceive, so when both timers count down both would think nothing happened

[@QQ熊貓]

DIO would emerge victorious by setting up a deadly stalemate, causing uninterrupted killings for an entire night and intermittently using time stops to exhaust Diavolo until he succumbs.

[@AdawaShiwani]

As much as i love Diavolo and kc. Dio just dogs on Diavolo even with TE. As timestop affects the whole universe so diavolo would just be frozen in his time erasure, still unable to be hurt, but once both abilities end dio most likely wouldn't stop hitting him or just throw knifes at him resulting hin diavolo getting bodied.

[@Super_Elio_Rose1310]

Make a video about what power system Imagine Breaker can negate,cancel or destroy.

[@BUR404]

Well, I definitely have another video in the works that involves Imagine Breaker

[@Super_Elio_Rose1310]

You can make it as a part series since there is alot of power systems in anime,games and cartoons to cover.

[@Han_dert]

I didn't watch the video yet but if they both activate their power at the same time then I think they will work simultaneously but stop time will activate making diavolo stopped but because erase time is active too dio can't damage diavolo, also because dio's 9 sec is happening in a single fraction of time, after it ends king Crimson will regain control and the 10 sec will resume

[@Aiden-wg4pu]

Personally, I fee that this is a poor interpretation of what might happen if they both activated at the same time. Due to the fact that Dio’s time stop takes up no actual time, it would occur within time skip and end within time skip. Diavolo would simply see Dio teleport along with everything he manipulated in his time stop, as that time doesn’t actually exist, so epitaph would not be able to see it. This means King Crimson and The World are on an equal playing field, Diavolo would use his time skip, but it would be useless when Dio suddenly teleports away. Dio’s time stop would be pointless as it would not be able to harm Diavolo with time skip active. Diavolo would be able to predict himself being harmed as a result of Dio’s time stop and skip over it. Their powers are about equal, if time skip isn’t above time stop, meaning this would be a battle of stats. Those E’s on King Crimson are really gonna be a burden to Diavolo.

[@gabbycal]

Wait wouldn’t fate of still allow Diavolo to “move” and avoid time stop?Also wouldn’t epitaph allow him to see Dio’s actions in time stop due to time stop still happening?

[@gabbycal]

Because fate still happens in time stop?

[@gabbycal]

From how I see epitaph it is a stand that allows it’s user to perceive and outside view in the future?

[@gabbycal]

Wouldn’t Dio not use his Vampire as he sees opponents as to weak to use it?

[@slesh_master]

@@gabbycal Yes and no. Epitaph would allow Diavolo to see all the frame that Dio does in the 10 seconds prediction but the action of Dio in time stop will not be show since they accord without time passing. So Diavolo would just see Dio skipping frames in his movement in real time. TLD; nothing he does in time stop will be show in Epitaph

[@xselinisx]

@@slesh_master Time does still flow. If time didn't Dio wouldn't be able to move himself while time is stopped. With this in mind. Dio's actions viewed from Epitaph would be seen as a huge blur line.

[@Kingnothing642]

Oh so this might be a relative or relativity type of thing? Both can observe the events but they happen within different time? For dio time was stopped but for diovolo time still moved but they both were unable to affect each other Since Time skip makes Diovolo immune to outside influence then he can avoid time stop, but only if time stop is universal and affects everything. So if you have a power that can places you away from natural laws then you can avoid it for a brief timing. But time stop might be a thing that only affects dio and not world. That may cause problems.

[@demi-femme4821]

Here's what would happen from the two abilities interacting. Epitaph would see all of the results of DIO's actions in Timestop simulataneously. This could potentially obscure the results of DIO's actions, but it would give Diavolo an indiaction that something fucked was going to happen, letting him timeskip to avoid it. Overall, I think Diavolo has the advantage, but DIO could easily get the win if he's able to surprise Diavolo. Considering how Bruno was able to surpise Diavolo repeatedly in their first fight, it's easy to see how DIO could get off a timestop without Diavolo skipping it. Overall, I say Diavolo wins but with high difficulty.

[@omariwashington2570]

More accurately I would say Epitaph wouldn't see anything in time stop only the 10 seconds of real time, which would mean dio would have the advantage because his attacks in time stop wouldn't be seen so diavolo's wouldn't even notice to erase time.

[@odd-eyes6363]

All Diavolo needs to see is the aftermath of Time Stop in order to prevent it. Epitath would be the game changer for Diavolo, as Dio's actions would be hindered useless in the frozen time. Should both abilities activate at once, Diavolo would be at the advantage as he would perceive the outcome of Dio's ability immediately and be able to resposition himself to wherever Dio "teleported" in order to inflict a powerful blow. Dio's regeneration isn't gonna do much for him, considering that after Jotaro's gut punch, he had to absorb blood in order to get back on his feet and the head blow completely messed him up. Diavolo's winning condition would be for either both abilities to be activated at once or for him to get Dio to his range while remaining hidden so he can activate his ability and punch Dio's brains out in the next second. Dio could stop time for an hour, if KC is activated, Diavolo would remain invulnerable, and once the time freeze is done KC would still be on and Dio would remain a slave to fate. Even though it is the inferior stand for combat, King Crimson is the perfect counter to The World

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

Yes, but time stop would recharge in skipped time and DIO has a major reaction time advantage. Diavolo had to use a mix of King Crimson and Epitaph to avoid Aerosmith’s bullets, The World can react to bullets being fired.

[@omariwashington2570]

I would disagree King Crimson skip ability only works in conjunction with his future sight, and if that's true then should make dio immune to it until time stop end, or make diavolo's ability end early, because time stopped diavolo's ability wouldn't affect Dio anymore because only those 10 seconds in the real world are fated by epitaph, meaning Dio could do whatever he wants while in time stop, epitaph would only be able to see the 10 second after the fact of time stop, because it only looks at the future from diavolo's stand point, meaning deal would be able to kill diavolo in time stop Before Time Stop ended, because Dio can actually do stuff in time stop like attack people.

[@odd-eyes6363]

@@omariwashington2570 Dio does not remove himself from time by freezing it. He is still subject to fate. He is operating within time as he freezes it, so he is subject to time erasure like anyone else Even if somehow he was able to remain conscious during the instant of frozen time that was erased by KC, fate would still force Dio into performing the actions predetermined for him.

[@omariwashington2570]

@odd-eyes6363 no his not, dio has shown many times that stopping time truly ends all that moves in it, like in part 6 Jotaro stops time accelerating despite the fact that it's happening for the entire universe.

[@omariwashington2570]

@odd-eyes6363 also epitaphs ability only works during time and it actually forces things to happen as its seen in epitaph, that's why golden experience Requiem reset to zero works it reverses time to before diavolo uses epitaph meaning of the future is no longer set in stone.

[@pietrolollo1233]

Time Skip also doesn't seem to exhaust the user like time stop does for Jotaro. Dio doesn't share this problem since vampires have pretty much unlimited stamina.

[@gojosukuna6403]

More interesting question, what would happen if Kira will activate bite the dust and Diavolo will erase time, where Diavolo appear, in present or in past, will Kira's ability include Diavolo?

[@Luxia-f1e]

i always had the interpretation that diavolo could see the actions of time stop as a single image, he sees fate more than time, and i think it would generate a more interesting fight

[@Alone-SF]

But wait, wouldn't DIO's time stop go through it's full duration within Time Erasure, since actually no time is passing once it's active? Meaning, DIO couldn't just notice he used Time Stop once the Time Erasure timer ends - meaning he might just use Time Stop multiple times during one Time Erasure

[@xj_raykelmichaeltewu8962]

yeah

[@xj_raykelmichaeltewu8962]

the time erasure would be freeze and dio might have spamed his time stop

[@omariwashington2570]

If this is true then that means Dio wouldn't be a part of time Erasure meaning that time stopped would be outside of it so Dio would know exactly what he's doing while time is stopped, Epitaph forces fate to happen in diavolo's favor if hepatitis can't see time stopped because time is not passing then King Crimson skip ability wouldn't work on time stop either, meaning Dio would just see Diavolo standing their and not be able to touch him, while Diavolo Wouldn't see Dio's fate until he's out of time stop.

[@000-v7j]

video was cool but it can really only stalemate as diavolo cant use Hamon and Dio isn't stupid enough to walk outside during the day (unless he is ripped apart to the point of not being able to move and left to die)

[@houston3103]

I think the most likely interaction if their ability activated at the same time is that dio would immediately go unconscious due to skipped time, and he would of course act out his fated actions. These fated actions include stopping time. From diavolos perspective he would start the time skip and then he would witness the unconscious dio teleport while acting out his fated actions.

[@zini568]

From what we know from jojo. Time is a straight line that keeps going right. When dio stops time, he creates a sort of pocket dimension within time itself that is set to absolute zero. Anybody within in the dimension, or rather anybody within the worlds range will be frozen in time. Anybody from the outside, will simply have no effect at all. As for Diavolo, king crimson gives him the ability to simple step outside of time itself( the straight line). Hence why whenever king crimson activates, reality shatters and all we see is the universe. So when it comes who would win. It would simply be who activated their ability first. If diavolo uses his time skip, he would simply skip over time stop. But if dio used the world first, he could freeze diavolo before he gets the chance to leap.

[@DanilegoPlays]

The thing is Diavolo's power is less about messing with time and more about changing fate itself. Anything that DIO does in the 10 seconds is fated to happen and Diavolo can change it to his benefit. Dio wins because he's a vampire and wouldn't die, but in my opinion changing fate > stopping time

[@axillaryclinical]

That’s not how it works

[@omariwashington2570]

Time stop is the strongest ability at least until GER, KC can only change diavolo's fate while time stop stops everything, even stand ability, so I would say that time stop > time skip, hell, it's kinda like at the end of part 6 puchie had control over his fate while everyone else had their fates predetermined, epitaph is like that but only for 10 seconds at a time, meaning he would lose still seeing as puchie lost.

[@KurosakiNexus]

So Diavolo just has good wifi?

[@zael7848]

Lmao

[@aAaa-gj1lh]

DIO takes the victory, simple as that, people dont seem to consider that although they have similar stats, there is a magnitude even within them, Silver chariot cant Contend with Star platinum in speed, and it was defeated by the fact King crimson uses his time erase to minimize their enemie's reaction time. The world is f king busted, goes toe to toe with starplatinum on its PRIME, in the OVA it is shown that every punch, unles protected against, is a ONE HIT KO by the way Dio was surprised that jotaro survived his strike... Also, Dio is a VAMPIRE, he took a BARRAGE OF PUNCHES from something that explodes walls of minerals as tough as diamonds with relative ease, plust the dipshit can stop time even when injured, i can image Diavolo going for a fatal blow, get time stopped, and brutally killed.

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

That’s not really its prime, just that he got worse in P4 due to a lack of time stopping, but yes

[@aAaa-gj1lh]

@@Aaa-vp6ug In part 3, His time stop is even shorter, at 2 seconds, as Jotaro got older, star platinum became weaker due to Jotaro's diminishing fighting spirit, fast but nowhere near as fast as part 3

[@dripg0djv280]

People don’t understand how fate works in jojos. All events including time erase, time stop and even time acceleration is already destined to occur due to fate. Diavolo changing his fate was already fated to happen so he isn’t actually changing fate. People would always argue that since time stop halts time, it would all occur during less than a second of KCs time erase, however, because KC steps outside of the universe, time stop actually occurs during the same time interval as time erase so he can’t skip over it and the length of each respective ability actually matters.

[@ThefrenziedMercury]

What? Bro if Diavolo skips the time by putting himself out of the frozen and static time of DIO he IS going to survive, it is just pure logic and stopping time is not equal to go into another dimension, it is literally just frozing time and space as DIO can still interact with objects.

[@omariwashington2570]

​@ThefrenziedMercury both you and the original comment are wrong, Dio's time stop works by stopping everything that happens, meaning both epitaph and KC's ability wouldn't affect Dio at all while time stop happens, and also time eraser doesn't actually erase time but skips time for everyone except diavolo, so Dio would most likely just stop time and punch him while in time stop meaning diavolo Wouldn't have time to "erase" time

[@pierocolombo2643]

Good video as usual

[@joeheljulva5948]

7:14 not the bridge insident😭😭

[@CDeeMondays]

Its -NOT- very simple. The one who gets to use their ability first, lands the first hit. If TS goes first = immediate effect of Dio's attack on Diavolo. So even if TE is activated after TS, Diavolo wouldnt avoid the damage. Result: Diavolo dies. If TE goes first = whatever may happen within 10s into the future, including TS and its effects which are immediate, would be negated by Diavolo. So if KC attacks, Dio cant escape. Only if he moves very far away in the TS period, Dio would be out of range for Diavolo in those 10s of TE. (I am not sure if TW is fast to react to KC's attacks in/after TE.) Now, even if they both activate exactly at the same point in time, KC will still be the first to hit as the effects of TS will take place the instant both the abilities are activated (bcz TS period is not accounted in real time) and in the same time TE will also be active. So, the effects of TS will be negated by TE. In my opinion. In a real JOJO-world scenario, if Dio and Diavolo decide to fight without prior knowledge of each other's stands/powers. Both will first taunt each other. Then Dio would be the first to activate his stand. If Dio uses it to intimidate and not attack. Diavolo would sense danger and might use his stand to attack Dio. However, if Dio goes first and uses his stand to TS and attack, Diavolo is dead. But owing to Dio's vampire physiology, in any case Dio will most probably come out as the winner. You can think how the fight, in which they both are aware of each other's stands and their powers, would go yourself. Finally. Concluding my yapping. I will just say that KC is objectively better than TW. The only disadvantage KC has is probably its autonomous nature. And, I think manipulating your own personal fate puts you at a deficit of goodluck/good destiny, as KC was not able to use the stand arrow even after acquiring it. And, TW is better in the sense you can increase the duration of TS by training. And its definitely stronger, more durable, and has better accuracy. Thanks for reading so far. 😭 Edit: pardon any mistakes please!

[@omariwashington2570]

I think the problem for this is that you think that time stopped and time skip are equal in power but actually time stop is stronger, so if dio activated time stop epitaph and time eraser would stop, meaning deal would be completely free to act as he wishes all Epitaph does is allow you to set fate in stone and see that fate happen if Epitaph can't see a fate then it can't set it in Stone, that's exactly how ger is able to overpower the actual future because it's simply reverse time to before epitaph and time eraser activated meaning the future wasn't set in stone, similarly except it wouldn't reverse it would just stop it while time stop is happening meaning Dio should be able to do whatever he wants while time eraser is happening, maybe even hit diavolo, probably not though.

[@ZAWUARDOTOKIYOTOMATA]

he knew what he was doing with that pewdiepie clip

[@LiquidTeapot]

This fight HEAVILY favors Diavolo in any scenario that isn't DIO ganking him before Diavolo knows he's even there. Fundamentally, Time-Stop is an ability that allows the user to take (X) seconds worth of actions in a single instant, with (X) being whatever length of "time" DIO can stop. But regardless of that length, even if DIO advances to a point of being able to stop time for what he perceives to be literal years, all of these actions ultimately occur in a *single* instant. Not even a picosecond. A functionally worthless amount of time that we don't have a word to describe, EASILY skippable by King Crimson. Diavolo is shown to be effectively intangible during Time-Skip, with bullets outright phasing through him on multiple occasions. Evidence suggests he simply can't be harmed during erasure. From his perspective, Epitaph shows DIO monologuing, teleporting forward, and suddenly Diavolos guts are on the ground and The Worlds fist is coming out his back. He doesn't need to know that he stops time or anything, even if he's frozen during his own erasure, he just sees this and says "Oh, that's dangerous and going to kill me. I should skip it," which erases any effect the actions taken during Time-Stop might have on him. The question is, entirely, whether or not King Crimson can be compared to The World (Or DIO's physical body) in terms of raw strength and speed. If he can crush the Stand, he wins. If he can't, he doesn't have much of a chance at beating his regeneration.

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

Not really, King Crimson hasn’t been shown to have any exceptional feats of strength, let alone being able to match Star Platinum. Also, Epitaph doesn’t account for KC’s time erase/skip

[@omariwashington2570]

Dios timestop has also been shown to stop all stand abilities meaning that time eraser wouldn't even be active while time stopped is happening so most likely dio would just be able to move freely in time stop.

[@igee1605]

The world and star platinum arent the same stand but they are similar

[@KnightRider5001]

The heavily depends on TS, and if the "8/10 seconds" are actually 8/10 seconds. This either results in dio using TS midway through TE and being free with X amount of seconds left to attack Diavolo or the second possibility of TS taking place as is perceived by normal people during TE and teleporting Dio midway through, allowing diavolo X amount of seconds to attack him. I feel the second scenario is more likely, so assuming the second interaction, the winner would come down to if Dio can survive a full force hit from King Crimson.

[@TombrandyTombrandydaIII-lk6rr]

Time stop would leave an empty gap in the future sight and diavolo would just see himself go flying and would not be able to change the cause

[@leacim_onam]

Dio(God) > Diavolo(Devil) 😎

[@pinhomaster8261]

All dio has to do is to figure out time erase, then use the blood technique to see when time is erased and when time is finally erased he just has to insta timestop

[@fesmerosherkez5267]

You forgot another king of time though... Made In Heaven.

[@Petter_GM]

The explenation example for time skip 💀

[@hypenoir6982]

DIO wins. Maybe not easily but he does. He’s nearly impossible to kill especially if you can’t land a hit on him. You can’t skip time if time isn’t moving, if DIO senses Diavolo’s powerful aura (which it seems most users can) he would probably just stop time and deal with him. He has no reason to gloat against Diavolo because he isn’t a Joestar and nobody knows him, not enough fame to be worth a second glance. King crimson is slow, both in attacks and in cooldown on Time Erase. I love Diavolo as much as the next guy but I mean c’mon, The World and its time stop ability are called the “ultimate stand” in their part and beyond it, even Araki still considers it to be the best. Time stop was the only thing that stood a chance against Pucci, and it wasn’t even DIO that time. Time Erase would be too slow, in both a fight against made in heaven but also against time stop.

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

Given. The fact that the next best stand (Star Platinum) was still considered the best stand at the beginning of Part 5, Yep. Though I think that it would appear to Diavolo that DIO teleports and impales Diavolo with his fist in the same instant, but Time stop recharges and DIO wouldn’t be aware of the previous use of timestop. Also, Diavolo’s Epitaph doesn’t account for King Crimson’s time erasure/skip, so he has no reason to believe that he has any reason to attack the world instead.

[@OsDijider66]

Your are a goddamn God because i never really figured out how can Diavolo erase 10 seconds Edit: (and during that time erasure) the others still sees the remains.. (it was messy the first theory but now im sure that im able to code a TS/Time Erasure clash.)

[@rayshoe4472]

Okay, I like you but please stop saying that king crimson only erases people perception of time because that’s contradictory because if he only erases people perception of time then diavolo wait until time erase ends to attack why doesn’t he attack during time erase

[@BUR404]

He can’t attack people during time erase because he can’t mess with others predetermined fate during it. Only Diavolo is free from the influence of fate during time erasure while everyone else has to follow it. Meaning, their actions cant be changed which also means they can’t be harmed unless fate deemed it so.

[@544pde3]

The way I understand is that diavolo removes himself from the flow of time and fate whilst dio pauses it, so I would assume that say diavolo skips time and 5s through the TE dio actives TS diavolo would watch dio moving around as usual and once the TE 10s is over he would end up in the last 5 seconds of time stop, I'm saying that diavolo comes out the flow of time and observes what is happening during it and as diavolo is outside the flow of time he wouldnt be effected by the time stop but once his ability runs out he placed back into the time flow and is therefore frozen in time for the remainder of the time stop duration, my example would be say that I paused a video king crimson activates TE before I do so he would be able to move around in the paused video until his ability wears off and when he does he returns to being paused till till I press play, so what we need to understand is that diavolo TE skips 10s of time but removes himself from the flow of time so he himself isn't affected by the skip but in accuracy the 10s of skipped time isn't based on the flow of our time but 10s relative to diavolo and whilst he is outside of the flow of time observing he is not affected by TS and therefore would observe for the rest of his ability dio in stopped time till diavolo returns to the flow of time frozen in dios world. ZA WARUDO!

[@omariwashington2570]

Diavolo's ability doesn't work like that, is simply makes people lose memory of 10 seconds while doing the thing they are fated to do, time stop actually stops time and everything in the universe needs time to happen even fate, that's why the only reason Dio lost wasn't because he was fated to lose but because jotaro had a stand that can also stop time, meaning that time stopped would probably end time eraser while time stop is happening, and dio would be able to act freely

[@muckyesyesindisguise3854]

To put it simply, you can’t stop time that doesn’t exist.

[@omariwashington2570]

You can't erase time if there is no time to erase

[@Moe_leh_star]

FINALLY! SOMEONE WHO REALISES DIO IS THE COUNTER TO DIAVOLO AND IS ALSO STRONGER

[@NINJASAZUKI]

I'm pretty sure Time stop has a range like all other stands. So, my theory is that if Diavolo somehow through "Epitaph" saw himself beat in the next 10 seconds and activated time erasure in time, he might just be able to avoid being caught by the time stop simply by "skipping" the 10 coming seconds, he would essentially just be on the run at all times to get out of The world activation reach, while Dio is left standing trying to figure out why he constantly keeps teleporting. In this case, if The World were to be seen during the "intagible" time period, then it's probably over already, because then it would mean regardless of what Diavolo tries from that point on, he would only be able to predict his death, since Dio would probably activate The world the moment he sees King Crimson is in range. After all Dio only has about 10 seconds himself while "the world" is stopped, if King Crimson is far away then he is always using his 10 seconds just to catch up. The only scenario king crimson could stand a chance is if Dio for some reason was caught by its ability and never bothered to activate his after being "skipped" 10 seconds ahead in time, because let's be honest, even if king crimson managed to hurt Dio, he still a vampire, chances are with his wits and regen, he would figure out Crimson's ability relatively fast and counter it. Now, King Crimson vs Star Platinum could be more interesting as King crimson would be able to deal some damage (which can't be regenerated) to Jojo if he was to be caught off-guard by Time erasure.

[@omariwashington2570]

Part 6 confirms that it doesn't have a range the reason we know this is that time accelerating what's happening to the entire universe and jotaro was still able to stop time everywhere.

[@babu_youtube]

unless DIO makes a blunder, or Diovalo figures out how to feed DIO's ego the chances are DIO will win, however diovalo's epitaph can tell him an immense amount, if he uses time erase perfectly then it will just be based on pure fightining, in pure fighting it seems dio has an advantage but not really, epitaph allows diovalo to supersayan dio, therefore i would say diovalo has a good chance of winning.

[@AlonLemishov]

But stand user that have time stand can move in the time stop. We saw this with Jotaro and Pucchi

[@Aurelius1239]

People really don't have a solid understanding of how Time Stop works Dio himself said that 5 seconds aren't actually passing It just feels like 5 seconds to him In actuality 0 seconds are passing because time stopped If Diavolo were to skip time It would appear to Diavolo as if he just teleported to a different place It would not take any time Diavolo would then reposition himself to behead Dio Time Stop really just isn't the most effective ability against King Crimson

[@torrentarrow9097]

Old video but just wanted to say that The World just counters King Crimson too hard bc King Crimson attacks have to be in real time and not time erasure meaning that as soon as time erasure is up and Diavolo/King Crimson goes for the surprise attack from behind Dio/The World just instantly activates time stop and wins as The World doesn't have a cooldown just requires an amount of stamina to use so the fight wouldn't last very long. Scenario plays out like this: Diavolo looks into the future and accurately guesses Dio/The World's ability to stop time by seeing a hole random just appear into his chest, Diavolo then attacks while looking into the future to see when Dio activates time stop and right before he activates it Diavolo/King Crimson uses time erasure to erase those 10 seconds (this is theorizing time erasure erases time stop rather than time stop cutting into time erasure, like how Made in Heaven/Time Speed Up counters time stop) then Diavolo exits time erasure attacks from behind and then Dio just immediately activates The World time stop again and one shots Diavolo. There is literally nothing Diavolo can do that can counter The World stopping time as King Crimson has to normally attack someone in real time to deal damage. Diavolo can look into the future all he wants and see every time Dio would activate time stop but that doesn't matter as Diavolo has no real way too counter this as Dio can just keep spamming it. Would not really say this fight is debatable or hard to figure out there is really only one true answer and that is Dio. Also if anyone responds to this saying Dio can't use Time Stop that quickly after using it just look at the time Dio used The World on the Senator in the car in Part 3. He can spam time stop when he wants to.

[@B4ightn3ss]

clearly the true winner here is Ringo Roadagain with Mandom

[@samuraixronin4630]

So they can see when he screams out the world

[@aquinotub]

Polnareff was able to survive diavolo with the trick of the drops of blood and could tell when time had been erased in order to counterattack or dodge what was coming. Dio or Jotaro can do this and stop time just when the erasure is over so they kill diavolo But if they attacked diavolo first he could use epitaph and know when they are going to stop time to use the erasure and win because the erasure lasts 10 seconds and the stopped time only 5 Diavolo could use his remaining 5 seconds of erasure and beat Dio or Jotaro depends on who attacks first to win.

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

But DIO’s lasts 9 seconds. And stopped time would effectively be instant. Think of a lag spike allowing DIO to mash a whole bunch of inputs and do all of them at once. Diavolo’s epitaph would see DIO either just killing Diavolo normally or (since DIO knows he would be powerful), blasting a whole bunch of efficient attacks instantly while teleporting. (DIO has no reason to gloat, since Diavolo isn’t a Joestar and could pose a serious threat) Also, DIO wouldn’t know Diavolo’s stand ability so the blood thing wouldn’t occur to DIO

[@Iengem]

It depends on who activates his power first tbh, if dio stops time before diavolo erases it dio wins, if diavolo sees a future where he is somehow damaged, he will erase time. And to clear up a misconception created by headcanon, diavolo's ability is to literally erase time, its not to remove himself from fate, stand statements in jojoveller and diavolo's statements further support this fact, if diavolo erases time, dio wouldnt be able to stop time simply because there is no time to stop. Feel free to debate me on this topic.

[@omariwashington2570]

Diavolo's ability does not erase time, it erases time for everybody except for him, for 10 seconds people will do what they will do but not be conscious of it while diavolo is conscious of the 10 seconds but can't interact with anything.

[@meemmahn2856]

The seconds that Dio stops time for don’t actually happen. If he stops time during a time erasure then he would instantly teleport from diavolo’s perspective, not freeze then teleport. Also, time erasure creates two versions of diavolo. One that’s still interacting with the world and one that’s skipping time. Dio would see and try to attack the real-time diavolo while erasure diavolo is watching him. To Dio, his time stop would end, real-time diavolo would be flung off in some bloody heap, the body would disappear, and erasure diavolo would appear.

[@dr.mubesherqais2998]

I think the winner is the who is determined more , in dio's case he probably will not be serious dio 's arrogant , while diavolo most likely to run away if fate isnt his side by erasing time (if dio is fated to punch diavolo during time stop, diavolo will see the aftermath of punch but since he could'nt know how dio suddently moved and punched him he probabbbly get scared and leave) , but if fate is with diavolo dio loses

[@GrapoTheRatKing]

Star platinum and the world will not have the same feats, star platinum has better stand stats and was shown to be more precise and faster and stronger than the world, they are relative to s certain degree, but dio literally didnt want to get close to jotaro because of the differences