BURNED FURS?! - The Furry Fandom Iceberg Part 1

[@drunkenskunkproductionsdsp8094]

When an iceberg goes deep, it goes *DEEP.*

[@liammcallister726]

As if that is not enough it goes DEEPAH

[@cinfdef]

*DEEP?!?!* Ur so sussy

[@typicalfurry2747]

OwO

[@dietznutz9683]

I guess that's what she said 😅

[@Dhyr]

You should have done When the furry fandom iceberg, GOES DEEP DEEP

[@GrumpyWolfTech]

Top should also have "saberspark is a furry"

[@GrumpyWolfTech]

​@Dusk Raccoon The literal definition of furry "an enthusiast for animal characters with human characteristics"

[@GrumpyWolfTech]

@Dusk Raccoon Enjoying 1 or 2 movies or a tv show is different than 90% of the content you put out being about furries :/

[@uriolu8413]

@@GrumpyWolfTech I think that you aren't a furry if you don't identify yourself as one. They may have the same interests as a furry, but if they don't consider themselves as one forcing the title isn't a good idea, at least to me.

[@Woynich]

“Furry” is kind of a clique description term like “Weeb” or “Goth” that stems from back before Star Wars took off when “Trekkies” were a thing.

[@SilverWolfWorship]

I was really into the fandom, but had yet to go to a con when the Burned Furs thing came around. I stepped away from the fandom just because of all the negativity and have recently been getting back into it. Went to my local con’s online con this year. I really enjoyed meeting other furries.

[@randallkramm2726]

Welcome back, then. As with all things consisting of Humans, there are a lot of shitty people in furry, but the openness of the fandom as a whole does make it easier to find people of common interest.

[@sparkythedetroitdoggo8281]

Yes , I have a phi paw sticker on my car ! And yes , I am a grey muzzle !

[@foxdata]

Same here!

[@sparkythedetroitdoggo8281]

@@foxdata Wow ! And I'm Sparks Snowfall . Sparky for short . Coincidence ? or destiny ?

[@foxdata]

@@sparkythedetroitdoggo8281 LOL what a crazy coincidence

[@Barabel22]

I’ve been into the community mainly for the openness and the art/stories for almost 20 years(I’m 35), but don’t own a fur suit, nor have I been to any conventions...what does that make me?

[@Dinker27]

@@Barabel22 Still a furry. Fursuit isn't required at all.

[@faidou9954]

Let's see how deep the furry rabbit hole goes.

[@randallkramm2726]

Sounds like a good time to call 'phrasing' here.

[@ganvolofox823]

All interesting and informative...yes, on different levels...but major points for the mention of Steve Gallacci! His work, *and* the works he inspired, went a long way to feeding my interest in the fandom.

[@randallkramm2726]

Having met him and having had a number of common friends, he was a rather nice and interesting guy. He will be missed.

[@breadinpain1266]

you are definitely missing out on the zootopia fanfictions, someone made a 2 hour animated sequel to zootopia, its fully voiced and free on youtube

[@thisisbetterthanmyprevious6674]

Please link!

[@chickennuggetpaw]

I mean... if you think about it, other than the whole rule 34 stuff, it really makes sense that there’s nsfw furry stuff. Furries are anthro animals, which means they’re part human. And if they’re part human, there’s gonna be... inappropriate things... I mean it makes sense!

[@Gerwulf97]

And it's all about who do you feel/identify/have an affinity for in your deepest, most intimate sense, and being vulnerable and open about that. Kinda hard to avoid sexuality within that.

[@Cybermonkeys1]

When u go spying on furrys and u spy to much and u just cant turn back

[@radiantdream5523]

I don't know who you are, but I will be returning for Part 2.

[@cogboy3587]

Great vid, though I think you missed some topics listed on the iceburg; Otherkins and Fat Furs were all part of the 3rd tier and were not mentioned.

[@therakshasan8547]

FYI : Back in the early days of AOL [dial up] The 1st MMO game was started it was called "Ultima Online" [ UO ] , and guess what it is still running . It is the 1st and still running MMO. Actually really fun to play.

[@gggghhhheeee]

I feel like I shouldn't be here, but it has peaked my curiosity

[@justadragonnamemarcus1751]

Here's a creepypasta Our fursuits walk at night

[@salamanderavem3782]

The iceberg idea is Annoying but i feel its a wonderful way to dive deeper into something you enjoy. Learning the things you may not know

[@GothKatt]

If there's one thing here I can relate to, it's having a niche "cute" zone. The biggest one on my end would probably have to be rats. I know they're polarizing as fuck; but I can't help but have my heart melt when I see pics of real-life rats. I follow lots of rats on Instagram. Before lockdown, I would enjoy looking at rats at pet stores. Hell, I even met a rat in-person once when I was young and want to do so again, to the point of wishing I could own rats. If I ever get the chance to do so, I would prefer sourcing from a rattery, or local rat breeder. Honestly, I feel like they're one of those animals done dirty by cartoons as they seem much cuter and more personable irl.

[@TriangIe]

When I read “furry fandom” in the title, I immediately expected this iceberg to go deeper than the earth’s core.

[@Chococodile]

Frogsonas? Hey, I have a frog fursona!

[@Sushiwolves]

I like when seether uploads.

[@QueerKitsune]

I can't even go back to the $23k adoptable. I deal with the same problem during manic episodes, so it just breaks my heart too much.

[@aiaiaiimyourlittlebutterfl9233]

The odd 1s out follows Adler the eagle and other furry youtubers on Twitter

[@chumii5678]

Yeah, he's a furry, just not active in the community as much. We assume he only talks or hangs out with local furries rather than getting involved in the fandom in general and it is understandable.

[@gwenchapman5068]

7:30 Fun fact about ancient art. The three most common things seen in cave paintings are in order 1. regular animals 2. fat women 3. animal man hybrids. Furry art goes WAY WAY back.

[@arcfox5054]

A large part of the Burned Furs was them being against most adult expressions within the fandom not just the gay parts of it.

[@sheinaragners]

yes. im a strictly sfw furry

[@jgdsgh]

Nice to see someone else doing a Furry Iceberg :)

[@chrisbarone515]

Now you get to know what a sonic character's feet look like beneath! 8:51

[@sparta311]

12:00 you know that Shintoism... right?

[@By_the_gods]

If my child told me he was a furry I would disown him.

[@ThePeacePlant]

That's something a stoopid teenager would think. Grow up

[@carlmauser1515]

you need much more visuals and text. 3/4 of the stuff you talk about I dont know or cannot relate to because I dont know how its written (like these emojies made out of foreign language letters)

[@KhramChee]

We totally tried to make this video full of visuals, but Camtasia kept crashing because it couldn't handle the amount of editing. We are saving up from ad revenue and patreon to buy a new one by august ♥ Hopefully we can make videos with more complex editing by then ♥ ♥

[@carlmauser1515]

@@KhramChee you should give Black Magic DaVinci a try. Very powerful and great usability.

[@KhramChee]

@@carlmauser1515 I have heard about Da Vinci, great free software! But the problem is not the program itself but rather the computer that can't handle too much editing. ♥

[@jaysonthurgood946]

I cant wait for the next one in this lil series for real, hey seeth

[@CyberphobiaYT]

I expected kero to be on there somewhere

[@jakherbertson4778]

7:01 Something tells me you wrote it in on purpose Seethor. Lol just kidding :D. Made me chuckle not gonna lie.

[@ES_ETP]

“Dragons fucking cars”

[@Dhyr]

Can I just tell you I have been in and out of the fandom MULTIPLE times... Its been 6 years probably even more

[@KaneColin]

I’m surprised the PhiPaw is second level stuff. I’m getting a PhiPaw tattoo on my thigh.

[@KhramChee]

It is quite interesting that not that many young furries know about it. I've only found adults who have known about it, I guess it has to do with the fact that younger furs don't use the same websites as older ones so they don't get exposed to as much fandom history as we have.

[@KaneColin]

@@KhramChee Am I considered a young fur still? I’m seventeen. I miss the old websites.

[@KhramChee]

@@KaneColin You're a young fur still, I'm quite surprised you know about the phipaw!

[@KaneColin]

@@KhramChee I do my furry research 🧐

[@McSqueezy]

a new, bigger, chart was made on r/furry_irl subreddit few days ago

[@vitreyous5166]

Good video explaining the iceberg! I'm kinda new to the fandom and this helped a lot!

[@FireyTheAlienDragon]

11:20 I guess the species I'm making could be considered weres...but not sure

[@randallkramm2726]

As a survivor of the time of the Burned Furs (bowl) movement, and having had friends who fell prey to it, allow me to simply state that it is far deeper and more cringe-worthy than it has been made to sound in this video. From SqueeRat and the manifesto to their practices, if you think you want to know, there are videos on the whole thing on KZbin, but trust me, you don't really want to know.

[@Barabel22]

Damn, that furry symbol unintentionally looks like CP.....akward.😳

[@AnotherCoyote]

the Phi Paw? Pi Paw? was hoping to get a little more on that one.

[@KhramChee]

Phi Paw ♥

[@bomberfox5232]

im surprised you didnt mention volfurs as new species :P

[@Skeletty1710]

I am just a few millimetres below the surface. Really harmless.

[@DemifireFirestorm]

my fursona, Demifire Firestorm, is not affected by the hedgehog thing #originallity also demi = demi godess and fire = well fire breathing dragon. my fursona is a wolf dragon aka a Drolf

[@AlexFiliUK]

Thanks for the video, I thought that it was informative and factual!

[@electrofonickitty823]

Been on FA for my photography, I am still ElectroFonicKitty and hope everyone likes a Nature Photography Furry, lol

[@JAM_YT_FURRY]

5:53 ayo wait. I'm on the Internet. Oh god, oh god please no, no, no, nooooooooooooo!

[@camerondodge2070]

7:48 Wait, you mean the dude Whang did a video on? That Eozdniw? 11:50 Ah, so the Richard Matheson story "Mad House" then? 14:46 If you want to know more, John Oliver did some bits on the auctions, and even now owns of the pieces of art.

[@Brie-The-Raptor]

I needed to say this, therianthropy is not the same as lycanthropy. Therians believe that they were an animal in their past lives, and may experience phycological or spiritual "shifts"

[@foxbuns]

Why is it you briefly touched on FurAffinity but not at all on Dragoneer?

[@Bonked_YT]

I have such a bad time with animisim (I think that's how it's spelt) I know it's not alive but my brain like no it's alive don't get rid of it

[@rufenicxhc5714]

I liked the video :3

[@images9536]

I'm surprised that Changed isn't on the iceberg

[@soulinviiictus]

You forgot the clip of the auction

[@django3356]

When he got to animism I thought he was gonna be like, people actually believe furries have souls (they dont)

[@SMN9a]

12:20 I think they can contain soul but cannot have feeling of its own.

[@someusername6552]

"FA is down again? Somebody come pick it up" Me: No, this is the 4th time today. Somebody else do it.

[@FurryTrash]

I feel like, this iceberg needs some more topics. But i rlly liked a lot!

[@KyrosTheWolf]

"Steve Gallacci, RIP" Damn, didnt even know he died! ❤

[@UncleKage]

He didn't. Not yet, at least.

[@roul4842]

Frogs are adorable. What the heck?

[@ophois9265]

7:10 - 7:28 “We have a Russian word “волк” that sounds a little bit like Proto-indo-europian “*wĺ̥kʷos”. Which means that even though they didn’t use the term “Russian Language” as we know it nowadays, there were already some signs that we, the Russians, have being a part of society for longer than we expected”

[@toony2351]

370 likes. I’m saying it for one day you will have 1000

[@winters7505]

Now this is Interesting!

[@DomzieXL]

I have been a furry in denial for a long time but then Beastars came out. I love Beastars. Lol

[@SampleExperiment]

You got Therianthropy so wrong;;

[@trex171]

who else thought this was mr,beast in the thumbnail?

[@cinfdef]

16:05 *KER-CHOWO*

[@CHNLDiVR]

Where are the liNks

[@vythorya._.7647]

let's hit a goal of 18 thousand subscribers for this KZbinr??

[@ThatLittleKitten]

This is so cool

[@bobboreland8792]

Having the title of "Professional video game player" is pretty cringe

[@Matthew.__]

They did it bc their ancient souls were awaken like mine Crusader and spartan Religion: Christian Country: Greece

[@PsychoParasyte]

Furaffinity needs more help than just a website update considering the owner has swept multiple events under the rug for "popufurs" and friends... You know, the usual protecting pedos and zoophiles thing!

[@Flintstoner-ez8eu]

the furry lore is wild

[@dukeskunk]

I personally encountered the rules in '99 so they predate 4chan by at least 4 years.

[@crauthen329]

this is awesome! loving the video! my name is Austin and i love my fur pals! i love all you little fur balls you all are so cute and i love your fursona! :3

[@josephmayo3010]

They should have put zigzag on the iceberg

[@ottorino4544]

Now this is epic

[@redfoxbennaton]

Maybe if people filtered content. There would be none of this drama. Maybe have social boundaries?

[@SSJBEYONDEVERYTHING]

Furied with guns

[@proto_lion]

Hello amazing person you are an amazing person and you'll always be an amazing person

[@KaristaSwiss]

thank you !

[@LilfoxTheHybridHylian5967]

Burned furs are that bad.....I thought they were just furries that don't like the sexual side of the fandom and whatnot..... Well now I know what the truth is fully. And I can confirm that I'm not a burnt fur

[@Dolphanatic]

It's clear that SeetherCord didn't do enough research on the topic. A simple Internet search shows that the Burned Furs' creation had nothing to do with gay people. They just didn't like how much emphasis was being put on NSFW content as well as all of the pointless gatekeeping that was going on at the time.

[@noskinCZ]

i became a furry cuz of majira xD

[@sheinaragners]

am i a burned fur? i dont like nsfw . so, yeah...

[@booples2531]

Seethersus

[@mathewweeks9069]

Your awesome

[@Godofbots01]

👌

[@fredcarljohncarillo9645]

expleined good

[@Yuk1narii]

>Making Sonicfox sound like he's actually a positive influence on Furries OR the Fighting Game Community lol he's not even good. He only participates in really easy, unbalanced games and religiously plays top tiers just for easy, undeserved wins. He belongs in the trash with his opinions.

[@GrumpyWolfTech]

To be fair that is a lot of furries on the internet, they seem to have taken over the fandom with their political beliefs and want to be judgmental of everyone that doesn't think the same. I miss the days when the furry fandom was just furry stuff :(

[@Dinker27]

@@GrumpyWolfTech This is a change that came within the decade; before then, it was looked down upon to bring politics and such into the fandom like that.

[@JackTheBunnyYT]

Now I’d hate to be the guy to say this but your explanation of the burned furs, you talked about them like they were only homophobic males, which is wrong for the most part, while yes there were likely homophobic burned furs members but the whole point of the burned furs was that they were against the sexual side of the fandom and so they tried to make it irrelevant to the fandom at large, they basically just didn’t want the sexual side to be the dominant side of the fandom as to show the normies that furry isn’t a fetish, but most of their executions didn’t really do anything and eventually the fandom turned into what it is today, the entire burned furs group died out after some time but some time later a burned furs 2 group appeared which as far as I’m aware is still active though pretty much irrelevant.

[@Dolphanatic]

13:41 How did you misrepresent the Burned Furs so badly? The group was originally created out of protest against the overwhelming prevalence of NSFW content in the furry fandom (as well as the obnoxious behavior of lifestylers) and how they believed it was detrimental to the community's reputation. It had nothing to do with gay people. Even the slightest bit of research disproves your description of them.

[@SeetherCord]

I understand. I have changed a lot since then when it comes to my viewpoint on this issue. I am in support now of a more predominantly SFW furry community. I can only grow and learn from my mistakes going forward.

[@Dolphanatic]

@@SeetherCord I appreciate your response. Honestly, my biggest issue is just how inaccurate your description of them is in this video, especially since it's not hard to read up on them. Either way, I agree that the furry fandom should be more accessible and that the overemphasis on NSFW content has made it a lot harder for people to feel comfortable in the community if they're not into that sort of stuff.

[@kellyaraujo9141]

sugoma

[@bigkitty1779]

Hi

[@Avrilian04]

COOL 😍🤩😎

[@Euphie000]

OwO

[@CastorRae]

this was not a very informative video ngl

[@ThatLittleKitten]

owo

[@SSJBEYONDEVERYTHING]

Furied with guns