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Burning Question: Why Don’t We Offer Paid Hunting?

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Jack Out The Back

Jack Out The Back

Күн бұрын

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@robsin2810
@robsin2810 22 күн бұрын
We live in an over governed country.
@cedhome7945
@cedhome7945 22 күн бұрын
You should try keeping a firearm in the UK!! Cops are confiscate mad hear, just one argument with someone or a motoring offence and they take your toys and no compensation.....
@robbudden
@robbudden 21 күн бұрын
Yes, Until you blunder into other hunters... Deconfliction is a primary concern because, people ALWAYS do the right thing. I'd gag for an opportunity to go hunt, but not if there were others around. Think how many NDs,accidental discharges and flagging with hot weapons happen at controlled ranges. Now add adrenaline
@brandongould6294
@brandongould6294 18 күн бұрын
​@robbudden No, it is simply a nanny state. How many accidents happen at legitimate shooting ranges? I cannot find a case here in Montana recently, and the most recent data I can find says there was 14 accidental shootings when you remove homicide and su*ide cases. The state of Pennsylvania figured there was over 500k hunters in the field on opening day last year. You don't hear of mass chaos or negligent shootings there on opening day ever. The size of properties in PA vs a station in AUS means the chances of two hunters in Australia being even close to each other on a managed property is infinitesimal compared to how close people are hunting near each other in the eastern US.
@Ronlean-vh2fo
@Ronlean-vh2fo 22 күн бұрын
Spot on jack as others say we are far too over governed. Time to change that
@r0br33r
@r0br33r 22 күн бұрын
Secede(?) from the commonwealth for a start, if only.
@johnmead8437
@johnmead8437 22 күн бұрын
Unlikely the land could be politically acceptably freeholded, so alternative is to cancel leases? Might suit some, those who have invested in this pastoral activity would probably differ. It's ironic those demanding more freedoms are often the cause of legislative regulations/laws being introduced due to irresponsibility's and problems they either cause directly or perceive. Over-governing & bureaucracy is a headache, so is anarchy. The experiences of governments relying on privatisation of key functions/infrastructure has been tried. It mostly increases costs to users, often service deteriorates, and hugely benefits a few now wealthy and often not very effective executives. Some who go on to become politicians. Stupid people will believe anything if presented in a way tiny shortsighted minds absorb readily, Trump being a master presenter. Many would believe paid camel hunting would be highly lucrative. And without the governing issues, this clip exposes that in a manner Trump would never reveal to his cult, & some Aus politicians have similar agendas. Self-serving.
@Ronlean-vh2fo
@Ronlean-vh2fo 22 күн бұрын
@@johnmead8437 you don’t like trump or freedom !!
@johnmead8437
@johnmead8437 22 күн бұрын
@@Ronlean-vh2fo Freedom at the expense & cost of others, including the environment quality, is recipe for division. Seldom ends well. And Mr Trump revels in division and the most ridiculous BS & moral/corrupt self-serving behaviour. His stated intent to be dictatorial says it all, & his love of tariffs will affect even pastoral leasees with reduced beef export demand. Good?
@chartphred1
@chartphred1 21 күн бұрын
It all starts at the ballot box, stop voting for donkey's 😅
@maineman11
@maineman11 22 күн бұрын
That was well explained and articulated. 👍🏻
@andrewedwards4353
@andrewedwards4353 21 күн бұрын
We have lost where we have come from, hunting food for family and community. Hunting anywhere in Australia has become harder and harder for law abiding citizens. It has become a nanny state and country we as very lucking in many ways but not this one. All the best love the content.
@lizchatfield692
@lizchatfield692 21 күн бұрын
Same in New Zealand.
@PaulaBean
@PaulaBean 20 күн бұрын
However, this is pest control. I understand that camels and feral dogs are causing much damage, also financial.
@scottdebeaux78
@scottdebeaux78 2 күн бұрын
​@@PaulaBeantrue but camel also tastes awsome
@Ifyouarehurtnointentwasapplied
@Ifyouarehurtnointentwasapplied 22 күн бұрын
West Australia the California of Australia
@Liamheyward-p3o
@Liamheyward-p3o 22 күн бұрын
More like Tokyo
@r0br33r
@r0br33r 22 күн бұрын
Australia is the California of England.
@brunoterlingen2203
@brunoterlingen2203 21 күн бұрын
Very well spoken and a concise explanation that each and everyone can and should understand.
@gregwatson7479
@gregwatson7479 22 күн бұрын
I’m a prospector been up your way before and feral dogs are the biggest problem carting firearms and lease holders approvals are just a fraction of the logistical nightmare it’s not easy to stay safe sometimes
@darrendehart8367
@darrendehart8367 22 күн бұрын
Thank you for answering that question, cost and time sure ate two big factors, keep doing what you're doing. Cheers
@union-v1y
@union-v1y 22 күн бұрын
well explained, you have a business to run and like here in the uk the very government and its agencies that should be working to make that viable, do nothing but actively make it near impossible to do so.
@rickwatson1000
@rickwatson1000 2 күн бұрын
love you channel ! From Texas
@diggerdug6247
@diggerdug6247 22 күн бұрын
Well said Jack.
@SHANEWILSON-u8s
@SHANEWILSON-u8s 22 күн бұрын
Great info jack 👍 thank you. I would hate to think the msg and emails you would get. Keep up the great work and inspiring work you do. 🍻
@lester1517
@lester1517 16 күн бұрын
Thanks jack for the info, good on ya mate
@bishopkinlyside8477
@bishopkinlyside8477 22 күн бұрын
Hi Jack, I agree with you 100% up the Northern Territory. You’re allowed to go pig shit in the helicopter but it cost you some ridiculous amount of money. I think it’s over $2000 an hour and he’s gonna pay for that there’s not too many Australians would be happy to format out. Keep up the good work always enjoy the videos Cliff from Logan city Queensland Australia. I’m on the big island
@MichaelFletcher-d1u
@MichaelFletcher-d1u 21 күн бұрын
The layers of bureaucracy in the country and in particular WA is killing anyone trying to have a crack
@Malcolm-f8q
@Malcolm-f8q 21 күн бұрын
What about SSAA farmers assistance program no cost to you and insured
@tysonbooth1060
@tysonbooth1060 18 күн бұрын
It's a real shame that this sort of animal control is held up with so much red tape. Most West Aussie shooters would jump at an opportunity like this, and be happy to do it for free! But, I understand that the fat cats have got you snookered. Well said mate, love ya work.
@PaulaBean
@PaulaBean 20 күн бұрын
Beautiful background! Is it a creek? Are there any crocodiles in it?
@colinnz
@colinnz 22 күн бұрын
Sounds like here in New Zealand. Not long and you will need a permit to sit on the toilet
@GSSurry
@GSSurry 22 күн бұрын
You have not even mentioned insurance. The insurance for this type of business would be astronomical.
@Ifyouarehurtnointentwasapplied
@Ifyouarehurtnointentwasapplied 22 күн бұрын
It happens in many countries
@Ifyouarehurtnointentwasapplied
@Ifyouarehurtnointentwasapplied 22 күн бұрын
Our burocrats don't make it easy
@huntingandstuff9489
@huntingandstuff9489 22 күн бұрын
I've been thinking just the opposite. My idea was that the ranchers there could hire people to hunt them. I'm sure that would be a nightmare too
@Sadaygamer2076
@Sadaygamer2076 22 күн бұрын
What kind of pump action ar did you use? how do you generate income from hunting feral? did the private client have to pay or the gov?
@Sadaygamer2076
@Sadaygamer2076 22 күн бұрын
and what if the feral flee outside of client land?
@midnighthorizon1
@midnighthorizon1 22 күн бұрын
Leasing the land must have so many drew backs like water flow management to changing the lease to making any changes to the land so many land activities are so out dated these days and even trying to keep the water on the property becomes a night mare
@r0br33r
@r0br33r 22 күн бұрын
By design, why do you think they remind you that this is not your country at the start of every meeting and report??
@dickard8275
@dickard8275 22 күн бұрын
@@r0br33r Dont tell me aussies have to do that shit with the abos too? ffs...
@roberthocking9138
@roberthocking9138 22 күн бұрын
I can answer that in two words, liability insurance and government interference.
@odenttraipser5833
@odenttraipser5833 21 күн бұрын
In actual fact, liability insurance is one of the cheapest forms of insurance. It is just you have to buy so much of it. Most people in Australia will find the the default PL cover on their home insurance is around $30 million and it costs a minimal amount. My home and contents are insured for around $750K (which includes photographic equipment valued more than $30K covered all over the world which by itself costs around $700) , my insurance costs approximately $2300 per year including the PL cover. And, yes, I know, personal cover for home is much cheaper than for a commercial entity. At work for instance, our PL insurance costs around $270 per $1 million cover. The fact we carry around $800 million in cover is what makes it expensive. (The nature of the industry I work in requires that much cover.) So, while insurance is and can be a significant cost factor, it isn't that huge.
@daermon1000
@daermon1000 22 күн бұрын
Hey Jack is Camel meat no good for sale as a food being as there as so many of them, could people not eat the meat like we do beef, pork and lamb? Much ❤ Joanne in the UK ps not asking as an anti, I love hunting!
@Mag_Aoidh
@Mag_Aoidh 22 күн бұрын
Go back and look at some of his videos and he will explain that there are just short periods of time that it’s feasible.
@PD-we8vf
@PD-we8vf 22 күн бұрын
@@Mag_Aoidhwhy? Because the meat will spoil in the heat?
@r0br33r
@r0br33r 22 күн бұрын
@@PD-we8vf Because who tf is going to cart these literal giant rats carcasses through the desert before they OBVIOUSLY spoil?? You? Camel meat enthusiasts?? Why even ask such a question you literal robot, non-existing entity ahh :L
@johnmead8437
@johnmead8437 22 күн бұрын
@@PD-we8vf Food safety, distance/volume logistics & market prices. The repercussions of poorly handled pet food (there are flies etc in Australia, carrying diseases from dog poo etc. they do) would be serious, human consumption justifiable requires higher standards. Why butchers, food outlets etc have regulations to comply with, most have heard of the foreign takeaway disgusting inspections, almost as bad as dodgy locals' restaurants.
@iowareddneck
@iowareddneck 21 күн бұрын
Could you lease hunting rights to an already established outfitter? A lot of large ranches in the states do just that. It's been a long time dream of mine to hunt South Africa and Australia
@andrewwebb2691
@andrewwebb2691 22 күн бұрын
Its also how much stock would get shot
@jack_out_the_back
@jack_out_the_back 22 күн бұрын
That's why they would need to be guided, too often unguided people get bored and just shoot something big, "oh look I shot this horse, it even ran up to me" It was at the airstrip, it was my pet horse. He was an idiot.
@nunyabeeswax2575
@nunyabeeswax2575 21 күн бұрын
Holy shit ​@@jack_out_the_back
@shrubjr893
@shrubjr893 21 күн бұрын
Classic example of .gov gettin in a man's way. "We have the freedom of a balloon floating in a pin factory" can't remember who said it.
@79series
@79series Күн бұрын
What about unpaid hunting.
@fun3000able
@fun3000able 19 күн бұрын
Stacking norms and constraints is pure delight for administrations and a pain in the neck for happy tax payers.
@peterwoollard288
@peterwoollard288 22 күн бұрын
Jack.....government oversight......
@jack_out_the_back
@jack_out_the_back 22 күн бұрын
Yeah for a while they wanted us to get permits to dig a fence post hole...
@vincentpelky7789
@vincentpelky7789 22 күн бұрын
If you break even is it really a paid hunting trip then? Because you’re not making money so would that change the regulations? I’m sure it wouldn’t be full worth it if you’re breaking even but it may bring more jobs to your business
@Wilbargosh
@Wilbargosh 16 күн бұрын
Just pay a contractor to come and reduce the pest load. Its better to get on with it than winging about the government regulation. Government does not care about a few people running a large property in the middle of nowhere as its not important to the vote that keeps the psychopaths in power
@darkhorse4148
@darkhorse4148 22 күн бұрын
You spend over 5k a day when controlling camels ? 🐪 could you give me a very quick price breakdown? It’s hard to see it being that much.
@jack_out_the_back
@jack_out_the_back 22 күн бұрын
Absolutely, I can break it down for you! Camel control is resource-intensive, and the costs add up quickly. Here's a quick look at where that ~$5,500 AUD/day figure comes from: Aircraft Operations: Aircraft Time: $2,750 (7.5 hours @ $550/hr, includes wear and tear) Pilot Time: $1,125 (7.5 hours @ $150/hr) Aircraft Fuel: $300 (150 liters @ $2.00/litre being generous.. ) Ground Operations: Ground Vehicle Use: $350 (wear and tear, depreciation) Vehicle Fuel: $120 (60 liters @ $2.00/liter) Maintenance: $100 (average upkeep per day of heavy use, think about tires and damage to systems) Operator Time: Guide/Operator: $675 (9-hour day @ $75/hr, skilled labor) Total Approximate Cost: $5,520 AUD As you can see, aircraft time and pilot expertise make up the bulk of the cost. It's a serious operation-flying for hours, working the ground vehicles, and guiding all require significant resources and effort. Hopefully, this gives you a better understanding of why it adds up so quickly!
@darkhorse4148
@darkhorse4148 22 күн бұрын
@ thanks for the great response mate 👍🏼🐪
@jack_out_the_back
@jack_out_the_back 22 күн бұрын
@darkhorse4148 no worries! We've spent a lot of time on the costings in the past.
@nunyabeeswax2575
@nunyabeeswax2575 21 күн бұрын
Ammunition costs covered by the landholder or is it covered by the operator in that $75/hr?
@Redman90
@Redman90 22 күн бұрын
Australia sounds worse than Comifornia Very pointed breakdown on logistics. I know i was one asking when i came across this channel. I'd like an opportunity but if its not there then oh well. You've given plenty of insight and are doing a great job. Kerp up the work and videos 🤙🏻
@cooperfrench4171
@cooperfrench4171 22 күн бұрын
WA in particular, where he is, has the strictest gun laws as well by a long way
@SirBigzalot
@SirBigzalot 22 күн бұрын
Mate really hoping you get a change of government and get rid of some of the draconian laws and new firearms bill.
@o0FranklySpeaking0o
@o0FranklySpeaking0o 21 күн бұрын
Can't say I would want randoms coming onto/ into your work place.
@billanderson1965
@billanderson1965 22 күн бұрын
It’s a shame Jack. You seem like a guy most of us would love to spend time around the fire with having some beers talking about all the camels we busted that day. You should come out and hunt in the US. Anyone of us that is serious would love to host you and take you hunting
@kristiangustafson4130
@kristiangustafson4130 22 күн бұрын
This is just too bureaucratic. Crazy. Not sure we're too different in the UK, mind you.
@bearfoot100
@bearfoot100 18 күн бұрын
Bureaucrats, can drain the fun and profitability, out of anything. Good luck mate!
@MontanaDirtRoads
@MontanaDirtRoads 21 күн бұрын
Sounds like Australia needs a revamp ob the local government.
@bensbullet
@bensbullet 22 күн бұрын
Hey Jack if (someone) was to setup up a business like that and then just contract to you as and culling / hunting operator with all there own insurances ect ect would that take off all that you spoke of or would that just open up another can of worms?
@butchphillips873
@butchphillips873 22 күн бұрын
I don't think you can contract out your liability.
@bensbullet
@bensbullet 22 күн бұрын
@butchphillips873 cheers just wondering what the go was
@mupdog9697
@mupdog9697 22 күн бұрын
@@butchphillips873 You are right you can't contract out your Liability. Every person/entity owes a duty of care at common law to other persons/entities/property. When the principal discloses that they have contracted out certain parts of their operation the Insurer would ask for proof that the contractor has their own insurance (along with other questions relating to contract terms, hold harmless agreements etc.). Most people don't realize that the Principal has just as much a duty of care to the contractor and their employees and moreover are likely to be held responsible in part or in whole for the contractors actions so this type of attempted risk mitigation presents more risk to any Insurer taking on the Principals risk. BTW California has been mentioned a few times in the comments. Australia is actually considered the second most litigious country in the world (Behind the USA).
@johnmead8437
@johnmead8437 22 күн бұрын
Likely the lease is for grazing only. Hence additional activities need all the additional approvals etc, from the principal (Govt), it's not the pastoral lessee's business apart from disturbance to their grazing operation (which would range from inconsequential to severe, depending on circumstances). One question is why Govt doesn't permit hunters to also use this land, with some conditions to prevent compromising the pastoral lease activities. Lessee's likely treat this land as freehold, and this attitude led to major issues in NZ. Which have been badly addressed, and in cases now led to freeholded leases (at ridiculous cheap rates) being used to harbour pest species for guided hunting and causing serious costs. These operators have introduced new species, allow overgrazing, restrict legal access etc. So much for over-governing being a problem.
@bobm5500
@bobm5500 22 күн бұрын
Australians need to get out and about more! Oves there not doing their homework.
@richardphelan8414
@richardphelan8414 22 күн бұрын
with your government as it is it would be a nightmare I get it
@ianbartelmez4720
@ianbartelmez4720 22 күн бұрын
As an American, who does know a thing or two about outfitters/guides.... I would guess short answer governmental hurdles, the long answer, permits, insurance, firearms laws, ammo restrictions, bonding as a guide, and and and... It's amazing the hurdles(in certain context) we face in the U.S. I can only imagine how terrible it must be there... I on a whim tried to find an outfitter in S.A. or Victoria to get a silver teal for my Taxidermy collection, it was not a fruitful search...
@homey3051
@homey3051 22 күн бұрын
@garytnew7504
@garytnew7504 22 күн бұрын
Jack mate g’ay Mate the liability insurance would be phenomenally and totally unaffordable to high let alone federal and nog to mention STATE regulations And what ivd jusg mentioned I am not even FIVE (5) seconds into watching this quick episode So mate it’s just not feasible in Australia Especially Western Australia Thanks in advance for a quick update episode all the best to ya mate And family
@appalachian_restorations229
@appalachian_restorations229 21 күн бұрын
Fly by outfitters here in the states all over. Don’t even need a license. Australia has given away all their freedoms and rights. Unbelievable
@odenttraipser5833
@odenttraipser5833 21 күн бұрын
Wrong! We have not given away anything. It has been taken from us, in many cases kicking and screaming, by people we elected to govern, thinking they would do a good job with the community in mind. Wrong again! Typically government (and remember, 'government' is NOT the party holding the majority in parliament, it is all elected officials irrespective of party) is more interested in maintaining their election status at all costs to maintain their 'importance' and salaries. Typically, elected officials (at all levels of government) will do whatever they think will win them the most votes in the next election irrespective of whether what they do is for the good of the country or not. Unfortunately, in Australia at last but I suspect elsewhere as well, elected officials take more notice of the uninformed, extremely vocal minority and pander to their wishes because they are the ones who hold most sway even as a minority. Take for example: - the recent nonsensical abolition of live export of sheep from Australia - driven by an uninformed, highly vocal minority;. A stupid act which is likely to drive what little profit is left out of sheep farming. - the extremely nonsensical changes to gun laws in Western Australia - enacted to keep an extremely vocal, uninformed minority quiet. Any sensible person with half a brain will see the changes severely impact law abiding citizens, but will not achieve on1 iota of a difference to the criminal element, the real area of concern. - proposed stupid changes to fishing laws in Western Australia - driven by an uninformed, very vocal minority. I have no problem with, and fully support, banning fishing during and in regions where critical aggregations exist for breeding. But to lock up substantial areas to the recreational fishing community while allowing commercial fishers to rape and pillage vast areas with trawling nets which indiscriminately destroy everything in their path, including what are described as 'undersize' fish, is insanity at it finest. When I watch huge volumes of dead bycatch swept over the side of trawlers I am disgusted by the industry. And we sit in our lounge rooms wondering why the stocks of fish are dwindling at an alarming rate. - the recent changes to the law banning red P-Plate drivers from having more than 1 other person in the car. I haven't looked into the law too much as I am not affected so what I am about to say may not be a legitimate concern, but, what of the new mother or father with 2 or 3 or more kids who has recently obtained a drivers license? Is the government going to supply, free of charge, baby sitters to those people while they transport their family to and from locations one at a time and provide funding for the extra fuel consumed, or are they simply going to say "too bad, you simply cannot take our family anywhere"? Knowing government I know where my money sits. And th3re are many other matters I could relate, but my bleat is long enough.
@mhughes1160
@mhughes1160 22 күн бұрын
Typical government red tape policy , making it impossible to come up with a simple solution to a simple problem . LoL 😝
@lylesouthwell5826
@lylesouthwell5826 22 күн бұрын
These issues don't seem to be a problem on freehold land in NSW. For about $100 a day I can book a self guided hunting trip on any number of properties right across NSW. Liability is covered by my club membership. Accomodation is typically shearers quarters or swag by the river depending on cost. Finding game is up to me. Property sizes I have hunted are up to 300,000 acres. Efficiency is low without air support as the drone has a limited range but I'm sure we each do our bit.
@kerspaprogbalceram3669
@kerspaprogbalceram3669 22 күн бұрын
Thats what he was saying, hes not on freehold land, its a government pastoral lease.
@Elhart-wo1pe
@Elhart-wo1pe 16 күн бұрын
To bad Australia is so ass backwards in the world it would be 50 years before anyone could make something like this happen
@Mr.56Goldtop
@Mr.56Goldtop 10 күн бұрын
Your government really out of control.
@phillloyd80
@phillloyd80 22 күн бұрын
What about bow hunting. Plenty of guys would pay for the privilege to camp and hunt camels with a bow.
@thezombieman72
@thezombieman72 22 күн бұрын
Don't know much about camel physiology, but here in the States, we have a hog problem. Have you tried using poison, like what we use here sodium nitrite, HOGGONE, it is stuided and only affects the pig population that is consuming it.
@odenttraipser5833
@odenttraipser5833 21 күн бұрын
What about the animals who eat the carcasses? Not trying to be stupid, it is a genuine question.
@thezombieman72
@thezombieman72 21 күн бұрын
@odenttraipser5833 uts a good question the HOGGONE dissolves quickly into there system, so scavenger animals are unaffected
@مرتضىسالمحسن
@مرتضىسالمحسن 22 күн бұрын
هاذا حرام يا أخي لاتقتل لابل حاول انتربيها وتستفاد من جلودها والحمها وحليبها فبدل قتها حولو تربيتها ورعايتها والستفاده من الحمها وجاودها وحليبها فل جمل معروف بل كثير من الفوائد رجوكم كفاء قتل 😢😢😢
@nunyabeeswax2575
@nunyabeeswax2575 21 күн бұрын
Kindly understand that it isn't forbidden here, they are a pest and it is part of his land lease agreement conditions with the state government to cull the camels. The market isn't there for the meat, milk etc.
@MrRhino10
@MrRhino10 16 күн бұрын
أنا أحب شرج الإبل
@PD-we8vf
@PD-we8vf 22 күн бұрын
It’s a shame how the Australian men let the govt criminalize manhood and firearm ownership.
@Whylivere
@Whylivere 22 күн бұрын
Cant stop them
@donaldcroslin4362
@donaldcroslin4362 22 күн бұрын
What a crock...love the Aussies but this BS they have to put up with.
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