What Does HAMAS Really Want!?..... Douglas Murray & Maajid Nawaz (live, on stage)

[@Pangburn]

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[@777Biggens]

add a recording date to these clips!!

[@fjalaeperendisembetetperje5605]

When it comes to journalism Douglas is no.1. I like his boldness in particular. Journalists say Hamas-Israel war is complicated. No it's not. Just like the war against ISIS was not complicated.

[@AMERICAFIRSTBOSS]

just to be clear this war is complicated I'm not fully on Israel's side on politics neither am I fully on united States neither on Ukraine but one this is clear we first must be united to fight this enemy if not there will be no democracy period. now in this war I stand with israel! I will say something that will upset 50% of people so be it I will say the truth (I know the other 50% is just scared to say it) the Muslim religion has brought millions of cruel deaths in history look at sirya/iran/yemen/Afghanistan list goes On and on.. we fully know who's at blame and we must fight life has no value to them support Israel or we are all next! May God protect the united states 🇺🇸 May God protect israel 🇮🇱 peace with power!

[@deadmanprodinc]

@@AMERICAFIRSTBOSS Sorry but your clearly and fully on Israels and the USA's side. You must be somewhat of a close minded generalist to believe that all Muslims are extremists and so hate them all. What have these 9,000 innocent Palestinian children done to deserve death and or dismemberment? Complete generations of families murdered by the people you support. There is no god to protect....and BTW 80% of the world is against Israels actions and the mindset of folks like yourself who thinks this genocide is OK. You never included one reference or any remorse for those lost innocent Palestinian souls so I have lumped you in with the genocide supporters of slaughter.

[@ShonMardani]

Hey Doug, even an old woman took you as a JOKE, try to relax and stop BS.

[@condew6103]

The problem is in the west, we think of religion as a personal quest to be a better person. Islam is a religion that is also a political plan for world-wide domination, and it says so in it's founding documents!

[@DickTator6969]

and there are even video evidence of them saying it in both arabic\other laguages with translation but also inside western country in perfect english ... there is even that one video when the imam asks his entire audience questions about "who supports gays being imprisoned" or that women should not have the same rights as men and they all raise their hands and then the imam says that that is the common opinion in islam and how they are "not radicals" but he maybe right when it comes to numbers , if the majority opinion is like theirs than the radicals will actually be those who don't agree with them in islam. either way they are a threat and should be taken seriously even if their world view sounds Insane or fanatic , but that's the exact reason why it needed to be taken as a threat.

[@edmontontech2008]

Chill out H itler

[@FSboy70]

What do we westerners know about judaism?

[@condew6103]

@@FSboy70 Islam is far worse.

[@GTfour01]

​@@FSboy70More then enough to see Muhammedanism is by far the big threat.

[@nonamelive7100]

When someone shows you who they are, believe them .

[@jerinjoseph7420]

Quran and The Bible it's clear that Jesus is in heaven. But when it comes to Mohammed it's unknown what happened to him after death. So if he is in hell whoever believes him and his religion are going to hell...right. Think Muslims...

[@imankhandaker6103]

Dangerous when you only see what you want to see.

[@seifeddinefardous8813]

@@jerinjoseph7420 if you take the part of the Quran that says jesus is in heaven then you shouldn't miss the part that says he's not god nor divine. can't be peaky and Muhammed is far away from what you say about him

[@jerinjoseph7420]

@@seifeddinefardous8813 I'm saying from both bible and quran. So Christians are at least safe compared to muslims in terms of belief. What about muslims? I'm saying based on quran and hadith. heave. In the Quran, Jesus is taken to heaven by God, but no record says mohammd is in heaven, not even the Quran. There are 26 different arabic versions of quran( u can google it), which one is real?, means it's not word of God. Mohammd has disobeyed all commandments of God, which means he disobeyed God himself. Mohammd has killed, raped, did child marriage, married his sons wife, owned sex slaves and so on. Mohammd drastically died from poison, a very normal human. Even God didn't warn him and mohammd can't predict his future. Mohammd can't predict his own future, how will he predict his followers future? Jesus predicted his death and resurrection, that happened. Jesus himself said he is the Son of God. Jesus said he will be next to his father in heaven.

[@eulalia3446]

My Dad's a historian. He told me in the 1980s that Islam would be the next big threat to European peace and stability and I thought he was crazy. He knows the history of Islam.

[@alvinman8]

Your dad just as many European European Ignorance who knows islam and the history from the news, people like these Douglas and his colleagues and some of the books written by None Islamic Academia.

[@yellowfellow7246]

To be fair, that's kind of cheating for a Historian, because Islam has been an existential threat to the west (and its other neighbors) several times already.

[@DL-yr6ne]

😂😂😂😂

[@darrinkulyk9560]

They Want To Dominate The Planet

[@kamalbasha661]

The main problem is that every body is saying my father, my mother and my grandfather said that. After certain age we have to function on our own (I am not against to any parents) if you want to Win search for truth by reading all religions scriptures compare to win yourself not your religion.

[@andrewspeers4018]

Murray actualy puts himself on the frontlines a true gentleman and great speaker 🔊 thankyou Douglas's for saying the things we would be arested for ...

[@timscarman4599]

Don’t know about a gentleman, however, up with the late great Christopher Hitchens, Douglas Murray is up there with the best orators and debaters.

[@AntiMarxism21stCentury]

Murray nailed it: "Some of our OPPONENTS (classic Muslims in this case) believe they have they explanation for everything. The justification for everything. The meaning of everything, Now, yesterday, tomorrow and to the ends of time. And eternity." But he forgot to say: And kill anyone that won't believe that.

[@bryanbelshaw7725]

​@gerardmoloney433Stop reading yourself into something that was NEVER for you.

[@mks1975a]

@gerardmoloney433 yes you should listen to what Zeus, Apollo, Hermes, Loki, Odin, Thor, Xolotl, Tonatiuh and Mixcoatl etc

[@Ares310788]

it was, within the lines... ;)

[@tdb517]

Yes, but he forgets to mention it's exactly the same with Israelis. The chosen ones who are above the rest of us because god picked them.

[@AntiMarxism21stCentury]

@@mks1975a Atheism showing itself as a serious mental illness.

[@guerino8945]

Douglas said it politely. I think it's time to not be so polite anymore.

[@JustSnakes911]

the west replaced our secular leaders with islamists and it's our fault?

[@agamcohen3286]

Churchill said it best Islam in a humen is dangoures as rabies in dogs

[@jcalle2]

Churchill was owned by the Zionists @@agamcohen3286

[@justgivemethetruth]

I very much appreciate Douglas Murray, his courage and especially his loud righteous voice.

[@lokidedbeat1878]

thats why guttless murray runs away like a coward when Mohammed Hijab and Co challenges him to debate. cause he knows, his shoddy career will be over.

[@diskos8n662]

His very first argument is a blatant lie, there wouldn't have been any war or bloodshed if not for NATO arming KLA. Kosovo is not a state, it's a mineral rich land with an American base and companies owned by German, British, and American politicians. The 2004 pogroms finished what KLA started in the 90s

[@christinefiedor3518]

What? There’s no comparison !@@lokidedbeat1878

[@annemurphy9339]

He is refreshingly honest, insightful, and steadfastly unapologetic in defending western civilization against the evils of Islam.

[@justgivemethetruth]

@@annemurphy9339 Yes, but can he convince people to turn back the tide.

[@yoanperez172]

Your very first point is very important, remember that alongside Israeli flags they also burn USA flags. On 9.11 in Gaza they were celebrating and distributing candies on the street. Do not confuse your enemy with a friend...

[@e-curb]

I remember seeing video of the celebration in the streets of Gaza immediately after 9/11. Then the video disappeared, suppressed by the MSM. I bet if you checked with the fact checkers, they will confirm it never happened.

[@allworldmusic8270]

Douglas Murray is one of the few who really understand what is happening.

[@GUISNIP]

Douglas knows where his paycheque comes from.

[@KaraA-w7u]

Really? I haven't heard him mention the Biblical prophecies happening in front of our eyes? What's happening to Israel is prophesied in the old testament. It's called Jacobs troubles. The whole world turns against Israel.

[@AlfieDoolittle007]

Murray simply understands that with the demographic changes in Europe and in England there is a market for resentment and fear and he caters to it. Ethically there is no difference between him and say a Donald Trump. There is a difference mostly in style and purpose: Trump dishes out the hate and fear mongering unvarnished to get political traction; and Murray hides his behind slick, well-rehearsed, well-crafted arguments with carefully selected citations and does it to sell books and get air time. That makes Trump the more honest of the two. Also I have a suspicion that Trump knows what he is doing, but Murray probably lies to himself about it. Murray's intellect not only convinces others like him they are not racist or Islamophobes, but also convinces himself of it.

[@bigbong620]

What Douglas Murray thinks isn't going to make a blind bit of difference.

[@ralphbernhard1757]

I know. Imperialists, and imperialist apologists always think the entire world hates them. In reality, it is _they_ themselves who have kickstarted every single problem we face today, incl. the ME. Because the prevailing current displeasure with "Islam" is an effect of the actions of our leaders, with their past geopolitical policies. Cause: Imperialism. Effect: Opposition. Fun fact? A hundred years ago, around the 1900s or even later, Westerners did not hate/fear/dispise the Islamic religion, or the peoples who lived in the Levant/Middle East. What changed after that? Did this region, geopolitically abbreviated as the MENA region (Middle East/North Africa) start meddling in *our* US/collective West affairs? Or was it our governments, in conjunction with interest groups, in other words our western empires which entered and started meddling in *their* affairs? It isn't difficult to grasp. *We* (USA/collective West) must get out of *their* world.

[@rexbigelow66]

Apparently this discussion took place in or around 2018 according to a reference Murray dropped. That would have to be fact-checked. In any event, this discussion is not current, but was re-uploaded 4 hours ago at the time I am writing this. It would be very helpful and very much appreciated if the person(s) posting these old Pangburn videos would supply the date they actually occurred. Regardless how interesting and perennial the discussions might be, when they actually happed is relevant and important.

[@vivianhull3317]

It would also be helpful to be provided with a link to the full discussion

[@lokidedbeat1878]

thats why guttless murray runs away like a coward when Mohammed Hijab and Co challenges him to debate. cause he knows, his shoddy career will be over.

[@majidmhome]

​@lokidedbeat1878 Wow, islam is really a zombie factory.

[@kingtitosgloves]

Event name: A Day Of Reckoning - Sydney Event date: Sun 12 August 2018

[@an_nie_dyc1386]

@@lokidedbeat1878speaking of coward and Hijab in one sentence is very suitable

[@indigocheetah4172]

The terrorist regime does not have an unbeliever's best interest at heart.

[@ddhqj2023]

Zionist Israel has no ones best interest at heart except their own. How expected that they brag on 'owning and controlling America'. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWqudZupe6uZfbc

[@taliabraver]

One day the world will need Israels help ,to clean this mess up!The world is full of cowards that ran away from their homelands,and have came to turn the world upside down.If they dislike the western ways so much,why live here?

[@spodoinklehorse]

That's an awful thing to say about Israel

[@bryanbelshaw7725]

Spot on ​@@spodoinklehorse

[@armondtanz]

To associate terrorism and Islam together is racist right wing talk. The chap who got his asylum application rejected and drove to a woman's hospital with a bomb strapped to him was experiencing mental issues.

[@DingleberryWhite]

I've had that conversation with acquaintances from the EU who simply can't grasp the idea of wanting to butcher people in the name of religion, and when presented with examples they brush them off as individuals with mental health problems.

[@fazall2023]

I love Douglas Murray,Thank you for fighting for democracy! I don't want my democracy compromised by ideology.

[@ralphbernhard1757]

Read Smedley-Butler. It has been infested by "corporatism" and "imperialism" right from the beginning.

[@toconair]

Democracy 😂😂😂

[@deadmanprodinc]

Well, Israel is not a democratic society, read the news. That said, then what is Douglas Murry fighting for? Well, the right to oppress Palestinians, extreme racism and genocide of a race. He is making a lot of money attending interviews and spewing hate, and he has convinced you to climb aboard. Your a lemming to follow hate and world divisionists. Remember reverend Jim Jones, well get in line with your empty cup.....

[@Dan16673]

​@@ralphbernhard1757yup

[@idorus]

and compromised because people are worried about hurting others feelings because of their race *even though any race can be muslim

[@oliverlazaroo346]

Being polite to a muslim will not solve any problem

[@Harrkin]

What kind of muslim exactly?

[@jameshendrickson8159]

He will always want more than a thank you

[@ObiePaddles]

When the Christchurch killing of Muslims happened in New Zealand, the world rallied around the community and the Jewish community in NZ provided support. When Hamas killed Jews the NZ Muslim society (or whatever they are called) asked for the Israeli ambassador be expelled from NZ. Some thanks.

[@mehmoodbhanji8486]

Salam, Do you know that the new term "Israeled" was added to Urban Dictionary, a crowdsourced online dictionary? Accordingly, the term is defined as when someone claims something that belongs to another person as their own. LEVE PALESTINA

[@netanelzion]

​@@mehmoodbhanji8486leave judea and leave lebanon. before meccan arab colonialism judea spoke hebrew, egypt spoke copt,lebanon spoke aramaic and north africa spoke amazigh. there is a thing in western museums-ancient scrolls and coins from judea,as was the name the roman province way before it was changed to palestina

[@littlecatfeet9064]

The Muslim community is not your ally and definitely not your friend. The Jewish community in NZ probably knows this but chose to be compassionate anyway, which shows that their moral character.

[@caralho5237]

​@@mehmoodbhanji8486They should change the meaning of islam to "When grown men with horrible personal hygiene decide to fight for the legalization of rape"

[@AlanBolshevik]

Well, that is just an outright lie. The calls for expelling Israeli ambassadors, in NZ and elsewhere around the world, only came when the Zionist Israeli state started is genocidal campaign of collective punishment against the people of Gaza.

[@EarnestinaFairchild]

This brilliant intervention proves that so often only humour can shed light on the darkest corners of humanity.

[@jd43tv56]

pretty disgusting actually to see clowns like wienstein, majjihad, and sam fkn harris consistently piss and moan about brown people but NEVER mention noahide law... not one time... EVER!

[@AnnaDemidchik]

I know several people who predicted back in the late 90s that Islam was soon going to have the standing it has today.

[@gokhanersan8561]

Half the Turkish population was saying it loud, while the EU laughed at them…and crowned Erdogan as the caliph. Congratulations!

[@littlecatfeet9064]

I’ve been one of them since the 80s because every time a Muslim was on TV they would demand to be free to practice their religion while trying to justify why they should fight secularism in the secular countries they’d moved to. But left-wing people disagreed because they thought Muslims were only militant because they were oppressed and conservatives disagreed because they liked Islamic views on homosexuality and feminism for example. Even this year Canadian conservative parents marched with Muslims against sexual orientation and gender identity lessons (SOGI) in schools. I agree that SOGI is insidious propaganda but thought the Christian and other conservatives were extremely naive to profile and promote Islamist views and said the mutual lovefest would end the minute Muslims turned on them. Now there’s no Muslims organising the anti-SOGI marches because they’ve picked Palestine as a more important issue than their children’s safety and they’ve disrupted Christmas celebrations and attacked Christian supporters of Israel. Completely predictable.

[@Intelife123]

I think he’s really referring to the more Middle East Countries and their Muslim populations

[@littlecatfeet9064]

@@Intelife123 You think there aren’t millions of Indonesians and Malaysians who believe the same?

[@rubiccube8953]

@@littlecatfeet9064in the 1970’s readers digest had an article on the rise of Islam and its threat to the west.

[@sahanest]

Douglas cuts through the crap n gets right to the point!

[@johnbell1859]

We are sleep walking to a disaster, and it’s people like Douglas that can see it very clearly. 🇬🇧🇮🇱🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@TBarton7849]

Really? I've watched 5 minutes of Douglas Murray talking and learnt nothing. Boring word salad (mainly about ethic cleansing of Bosnian muslims by Serbs). Charisma and mannerism of a damp rug combined with intellectualism of chavvy Jeremy Kyle. Deliberately dishavelled look and fake posh accent - all fake.

[@ofrapeters3952]

Yes .. I agree .. the mass illegal migration allowed by the globalists will have disastrous outcome…

[@michaelames736]

He's an absolute legend

[@TBarton7849]

@@michaelames736 😂How did you come to that conclusion? I'm probably dealing with someone who has adopted slogans into his worldview without reflecting on what those slogans mean or whether it’s really true. In fact, I think that’s likely the case with a majority of people. They don’t have a well-thought-out, consistent or coherent worldview. They just latch onto slogans that they’d like to be true & have blindly adopted them as their own, never stopping to understand what the slogans mean, their implications amd /-or if they are really true.

[@hitmanabhi007]

@@TBarton7849 Have you looked on lately why there is so much unrest in Europe? What is happening pro-Palestine movements? What happened in France this year when even one of the oldest library was burnt? Have you seen people shouting Allahu-Akbar and killing people in EU? I guess either you are from that same community or your brain can't assess the threat which is coming upon the western values.

[@TD-zu5ij]

It’s really great to see people like Douglas and Maajid having this very important conversation respectfully. They have a honest disagreement and it’s only by talking that anything valuable and useful found. More grease and more peace.

[@allworldmusic8270]

This is democracy, we listen then we vote for who we believe is right and it works

[@LarryDavid.blochain]

Lol remember when maajid was on LBC

[@user-wq3oi1kx2c]

Research his net worth in 2 years time… it won’t be the same as it is now. He is the elites performer … and you are his customer …. Mug

[@jesuslovesuandme2]

Maajid has now been defending Hamas and attacking Israel It seems that no matter how moderate a Muslim may appear to be , their hatred for the Jews will almost always come out

[@letfreedomreignhonk324]

​@@jesuslovesuandme2there are no good or moderate muslims

[@jesuslovesuandme2]

And now Maajid is defending Hamas and turning on Israel . What a shocker

[@haithamali3228]

Once a backstabber, always a backstabber.

[@Reptiloid5g]

Douglas Murray is simply the best.

[@kennybachman35]

At what?

[@Reptiloid5g]

@@kennybachman35 Understanding worlds' threats

[@kennybachman35]

@@Reptiloid5g he’s a genocide apologist. He works for the world’s greatest threat.

[@tdb517]

​@@Reptiloid5gwhy doesn't he condemn the genocide done by Israel then? And why does he associate himself with the huge fraud Weinstein?

[@KrwiomoczBogurodzicy]

As confirmed by Tina Turner herself

[@Foxtrotwilconiner1969]

There is a elephant in the room and we are not allowed to talk about it or the elephant will scream and destroy the room

[@rickflose]

Thing is you can talk about it with no repercussions

[@Pangburn]

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[@beyond_the_infinite2098]

Thank you for helping people.

[@mikeyf4018]

Sikh people have been doing this for as long as I have known about their religion . Many organisations worldwide have been doing this since time began . Good people in general have been doing this since time began ,,

[@PortugalZeroworldcup]

Bernard Montgomery ,Michel ney ,Marquis Lafayette,Andre massena Julius Caesar, octavius, Giuseppe Garibaldi, Alexander Suvarov, George Patton, Dwight Eisenhower, Ulysses s Grant worth remembering

[@nigelsheppard625]

The majority of the UN thank God that the USA has a Veto.

[@RojaJaneman]

Not the countries where it didn’t only not use a veto but supported dictatorship and wars. It goes both ways. It’s all about who capitulates/serves, not about saving lives or human rights.

[@JamesSmith-ij8nj]

They thank the US veto for giving them cover, they don't want to vote against islam and be a target.

[@ralphbernhard1757]

The reality is that the OP doesn't even realize how "imperialism" oozes out of his comment. Really? _He_ knows what all those other countries think and what they want? That is exactly how imperialists ticked 100 and 200 years ago...

[@dhbhatta]

You reek of ignorance buddy. Talk to people of the global south

[@ralphbernhard1757]

@@dhbhatta The OP is an "imperialist" with a dictatorial mindset. He doesn't *care* what billions of people think or want, but rather advocates for cutting them out of democratic decision-making processes (per veto), and he then strutts around about how great he is: just like 100, and 200, and 300 years ago at the height of the "Era of Imperialism." The world might have changed around him, but the mind of the OP is still very much "imperialist."

[@pazwaisbein1826]

Douglas Murray is a genius & a blessing to the world !!✅‼🔝

[@irenagofman6091]

Thank you for sharing the truth Douglas

[@JamesSmith-ij8nj]

″Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam invalidates it, just as it invalidated others before it″. Hamas charter 1988

[@baikorg]

And then zionist support hamas then? Hamas has deleted the charter and recognized state of israel exist and then zionist againts hamas? What an irony

[@David-hq4lq]

What about the 100,000 Nigerian Christians that have been slaughtered by Muslims this year !

[@odedfried-gaon2880]

what a man, Douglas is!

[@princeadomako6499]

He’s a woman

[@eliakimjosephsophia4542]

In the 90s I asked a British male barrister and female solicitor about it (due to what they do in Islamic cultures ) and they just brushed it off has their culture in a foreign land far away. It was something in a distant land that had nothing to do with us. They refused to accept that it was in our homeland.

[@RV4aviator]

Douglas Murray is one of the most brilliant minds and orators of our age.. LISTEN..

[@saudabrahams]

I've listened and he just spewed a whole lot of fark all

[@BD-mm4vv]

he is a idf shill

[@life4bitch]

yeah sure LOL man can't tell difference between a hole looks a bit uncomfi in that chair Lol if u know what i mean.. shows how clever or confused

[@sheilamacdougal4874]

Murray is a moral and intellectual hero of our time.

[@lokidedbeat1878]

thats why guttless murray runs away like a coward when Mohammed Hijab and Co challenges him to debate. cause he knows, his shoddy career will be over.

[@diskos8n662]

His opening statement is an outright lie. Serbs were demonized and accused of all sorts of vile things, and now Kosovo is a non-state occupied by Americans, and it's vast resources siphoned by everyone who partook in the war

[@sheilamacdougal4874]

@@lokidedbeat1878 You have no idea what you're blabbering about. Murray is here, in front of your eyes, in debate. He's debated literally dozens of these haters; just last week, Cenk Uygur. He's also repeatedly challenged many of them openly to debate, and they are the cowards who have refused. "Shoddy career"? What an imbecilic ad hominem. He was editor for years of one of the most prestigious British publications, The Spectator. He published his first book at the age of 19, and it was highly acclaimed. About his more recent work: "In 2017, Murray published The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam, which spent almost 20 weeks on The Sunday Times bestseller list and was a No. 1 bestseller in non-fiction. It has since been published in over 20 languages." "Murray wrote about social justice and identity politics in his 2019 book The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity, which became a Sunday Times bestseller. It was also nominated as an audio book of the year for the British Book Awards." "His book Bloody Sunday: Truths, Lies and The Saville Inquiry was longlisted for the 2012 Orwell Book Prize." Gee, what a shoddy career. I hope mine can be even half as shoddy.

[@kennybachman35]

🤣😂🤣🤢🤮🤮🤮

[@bryanbelshaw7725]

​@@sheilamacdougal4874Ran away from Norman Finklestein though didn't he. Sniped at him from the sidelines but would offer no debate. Murray may talk slow and deliberate but he also lies slow and deliberate. His nonsense does not stand up to an once of critical thought.

[@Lighteninglez]

Keep spreading the truth Douglas.

[@costanzauk]

lol - he is shilling for Israel

[@stevehazam9991]

Douglas Murray is so interesting to listen to in a Debate , he very rarely gets ruffled, always polite allows others to hang themselves with their own argument. THAT IS THE MASTERY THE MAN POSSESSES.

[@adhuna1009]

always polite?? he is an atheist Islamaphobe, who snarkily calls people names worse than a delinquent brat, rolls his eyes, and smirks like his life depended on it. the mastery he has, if at all, is in fooling people like you into thinking he has valid points.

[@lokidedbeat1878]

thats why guttless murray runs away like a coward when Mohammed Hijab and Co challenges him to debate. cause he knows, his shoddy career will be over.

[@JoaoSoares-rs6ec]

The loss of meaning that's an understatement

[@maryclynch9356]

Love Douglas. Love his knowledge and truth.

[@nibsvkh]

Islamaphobia does not exist as phobia means irrational…fearing islam is very rational!

[@dontcomply3976]

Those that are truly Islamophobic are those that wish to appease it.

[@rickflose]

Islamophobia does exists your just playing word semantics

[@jasonvaughan5128]

I’d like to ask the police force ‘at what point does having the ability to effectively defend ourselves outweigh the laws of not being able to do so.

[@haimshenkar6491]

18 years ago, Israel completely withdrew from the GAZA Strip, leaving a thriving agriculture and the best water system in the Middle East. All hospitals in the Gaza Strip were built by Israel. Musa Abu Marzouk, a member of the Hamas Politburo, one of the leaders of this terrorist organization, admitted on October 27 in an interview with the Russia Today TV channel that underground cities and tunnels, underground missile factories built by Hamas in the Gaza Strip, where 17 billion dollars were invested (that's 90 % of donations over the past 15 years) were intended to protect Hamas and the war with Israel - not to develop and protect civilians. According to him, Hamas should not protect civilians; this is not our task. The UN and Israel must protect civilians. The interview was published by MEMRI, a Middle East media research institute.

[@zumamaya2396]

😂😂😂

[@13shadowwolf]

This should be the top comment, Hamas is a terrorist organization that is being funded by anti-Israeli Islamic Nations, Iran has been directly linked to Hamas on several occasions. Palestine/Gaza is being used as a weapon to attack Israel.

[@adamgates1142]

Define completely withdrew. I won't bother with the rest of your comment.

[@13shadowwolf]

@@adamgates1142 seriously, "define withdrawal" and then ignore the rest intentionally? Grow up and deal with Reality, instead of the Fictional Beliefs in your head. Hamas took over, brutally murdered any moderates and forced the population into a much more aggressive stance. Hamas stole hundreds of millions, starved their own people, and intentionally made the situation worse to create more anti-Israeli sentiment. I'm an atheist in Canada, and it's painfully obvious to see that Hamas is being funded but Iran and Hezbollah, as a way to use Gaza and the Palestinians as weapons against Israel. Deal with the whole situation, and not just your bent version of it. Hamas has been acting with deliberate anti-Israel intent the whole time, they are deliberately trying to create Palestinian martyrs when they could have chosen peace.

[@gagacoco5577]

Douglas is spot on as always !

[@webbo9798]

When everyone can finally agree that this myth of Islam being a "peaceful" religion, when in fact it means the complete opposite, only then can we fully conquer it. At the moment we seem to be a long way off from that day -sadly.

[@idorus]

really i have been against islam for a while but in the past weeks learning more about it and wtf so many people are completely ignorant about it

[@Hemma-mm]

I’d advise you you Educate yourself b4 writing off a religion instead of following western anti Islamic propaganda All religions advocate peace … just bcos Israeli government and it’s militants are terrorising Gaza and continuing their genocide against innocent Palestinians does not mean that Judaism is opposite of peace and neither is Christianity ..

[@darrencullen440]

Not a lover of Douglas but he's bang on and gives very good knowledge of what he's talking about!!!!

[@alcrow1458]

End of times...well put.

[@RojaJaneman]

World has been living like that throughout history, it’s just flames r now climbing up d pyramid and u r just feeling it now. Welcome to d club

[@fivish]

The end goal of Islam is all of humanity in paradise - dead!

[@blackoutninja]

Never understood the inability of western secularists to understand the power of the religious impulse

[@crisjr6478]

Douglas Murray is an amazing human. God bless this dude.

[@obafemioluwatobi2982]

I love it when Douglas & Maajid sit and talk.

[@boofuls]

Was he beside himself 😂

[@obafemioluwatobi2982]

@@boofuls 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣........ I meant Maajid. Thanks dear

[@yousefb6741]

I missed the part where they talked about hamas

[@e-curb]

discussion from 5 yrs ago.

[@yousefb6741]

@@e-curb hamas existed 5 years ago and it says in the title that they discussed hamas but it’s obviously clickbait

[@e-curb]

@@yousefb6741 True, but at the time of this video, Hamas didn't have quite the notoriety they have today.

[@truecolor313]

After the demise of Ottoman...a parallel to this Muslim brotherhood was formed to propagate Islamism

[@AmineOuldKaci]

I don't like Douglas, but the last 30 seconds are gold, yes they believe they know EVERYTHING. And it's a big problem.

[@samuelrigaud6595]

Why u don't like him

[@AmineOuldKaci]

He can be a biased asshole sometimes. I'm sure he's comfortable with that though...@@samuelrigaud6595

[@michaelames736]

Great to see grown ups chatting and not ranting

[@charlottebowes7666]

Looks like the same old slimey photocopies doing nothing…🤢

[@dontcomply3976]

But what do Greta and AOC think? LOL

[@impopquiz]

Seeing the videos on insta nowadays, the younger generation spoke about the Israel-Hamas war like they know everything about it just made me think, where’s the research? I feel like they’re quick to pick a side just to get on the trend (to get clicks).

[@Gideon01]

Have you any doubt? 90% of people form their opinions based on footage from the evening news, and not on any real knowledge of the history and nuances of a highly complex century-old dispute.

[@yhwhsozo3680]

2 classy guys debating and hashing out nuisances is awesome- love to both!!!

[@oscaru5342]

Keep up the great work Douglas Murray!

[@zianaris2150]

Some of the greatest minds together in one room. My goodness, this is one debate worth watching over and over again.

[@Linda-pg3so]

Brilliant. Douglas and the woman who asked him about isis😁. Great story.

[@ericzonkheim7088]

I think this has been my great resentment of Islam, they bombed and murdered their way into relevance in the west.

[@nirrec]

Maajid Nawaz is not interested at the start if this video... both arms and legs crossed to isolate himself from the conversation, any response he gives is a false one with little or no meaning... he doesn't want a two way conversation, just his own narrative at this point... sadly his posture is instantly mirrored by the others

[@baumulrich]

this is spot on. i had this doscussion the other day about israel, pointing out that hamas supporters shouting river to the sea means killing all jews in that region... and it took about an hour of back and forth until she finally wrapped her head around something that is absolutely obvious and that islamists dont hide at all but confirm instantly

[@suzyf5733]

Douglas thank you... thank you with all our hearts!❤

[@anandmorris]

Chruchill's warning about islam often gets overlooked too.

[@zhafi15o]

I am in love with DM❤

[@ddhqj2023]

Then you have terrible taste in men.

[@samiamoon7829]

I went to school with Maajid. Oh how the path of life changes us

[@marinafrish8434]

This British sense of humour. Hilarious ❤

[@1213stmarie]

Well said, Douglas💖✨💫

[@TheRichardoboh]

Douglas should run for President of the US to wake up the West and put an end to Islamic terrorism.

[@diskos8n662]

Islamic terrorism was what started the war in Kosovo. NATO funded the terrorist KLA, sent them weapons, and waited till they killed enough Christian civilians to provoke a military response. Then Serbs were accused of invading their own lands when in fact they were dealing with an insurgency

[@adamgates1142]

How un-american...

[@rickflose]

Stop watching the news lol the scary man in the cave isn’t after your freedom wake up dummy

[@Chuby_ubesie]

"They have the Justification for everything" Thats the real problem

[@praveen.kkumar]

True bro😢😢

[@concernedcitizens4110]

If the Soviet Empire expansionism as well as Global Communist Movement still exist we won’t be talking about Islam. Had the Reagan administration just let the Communists destroy the Mujahideen in Afghanistan we wouldn’t have this problem. So just to clarify Douglas’ point I must say US led interventionism is also partly to blame of why many countries not just in the Muslim World are very reluctant to say thank you NATO. I mean don’t get me wrong the Soviet Empire was such an evil regime however the US also did some horrendous things during the Cold War which is getting in bed with some of the most authoritarian regimes just in the name of destroying communism.

[@rasalove6669]

But the problem is the IDEOLOGY was always there. The west not the Soviet’s made up the ideology. If you study the Hadiths carefully or even look at the prophet Mohammed’s history and life, it wasn’t a shining example by any standards today, yet he is REVERED by an extraordinary amount of ppl as the perfect man.

[@rasalove6669]

Nor * in place of not in the first sentence

[@concernedcitizens4110]

@@rasalove6669 I agree with you completely however I must add that not all Muslim countries are the same. During the Cold War the Soviet Empire and its allies were much closer to the so called ‘moderate Muslim’ countries like Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Algeria, Indonesia and many more while the US and its Allies were much closer to the countries that is not moderate or at least more susceptible to the spread of the extreme views of Islam. Countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain are the top of my list as they’re personally responsible to the spread of salafism and wahabism throughout the Muslim World.

[@simanothername3035]

Both do exit, but have morphed into something under a different flag. Epstein's best mate Gates was praising China for effective Covid controls this week. Making Marxism about race and not class has allowed some very rich, powerful and influential people play a globalist game where we will have less, and they will profit by it.

[@ralphbernhard1757]

The USA used the Mujahedeen, the radical Muslims, to fight a moderate secular government in Kabul. Soviet influence in Kabul meant thst during the 1960s and 1970s that Afghanistan was progressing rapidly, with advances in education, infrastructure, etc. I suggest a quick check: type Kabul 1960s, Kabul 1970s, then click on "images".

[@anthonybernstein9698]

I read Maajids book and can't remember at what moment he turned his life around, most interesting book to read, but there is a blank in my memory. I lent the book to a friend and he passed it on, hopefully I'll get it back.

[@Vitobandito434]

No that’s not true. I know a lot of Albanians from Kosovo who are extremely grateful for the NATO intervention. There’s even an Albanian song called, Thank you president Clinton

[@synewparadigm]

They will forget very fast.

[@rahulmodi8706]

No one mentions their slaughter of Serbs. Serbs were retaliating after Muslim violence against them and went over the top. Osama Bin Laden and his jihadis fought against Serbia

[@diskos8n662]

NATO lapdogs who will never have it as good as they did before, that's why they all live abroad now

[@kerrigrandmaison7844]

Jordan Peterson has the answer. People in the west to realize that evil does exist

[@Heybarf]

Islam is ☪️ancer

[@tuomasmattila283]

murray speaks a lot of truths, but has he admitted that Western decision makers are responsible for most of the problems we have? And what would be the answer to solving problems

[@marypentecost1296]

Truth

[@innocentbystander6620]

Fair enough, completely reasonable, understandable and accurate. No mention of HAMAS though. I suspect this is from a couple of years ago.

[@throckmortensnivel2850]

Murray: "...the enormous risk of that often happens of people absorbing the arguments of opponents who do not wish you well..." Which is precisely what those opponents tell their side. Murray again: "...some of our opponents believe that they have the explanation for everything." Is that not the belief of the Christian church as well? They certainly say it often enough. It's funny that Murray mentioned Afghanistan, because Afghanistan was reasonably westernized before the USA decided it would be a good idea to fund, and provide with billions in war materiel, to groups of Islamic warlords there. They justified this policy agenda as being "for the greater good". So, Mr. Murray, how did that work out?

[@Gideon01]

The difference is that the Christian Church stopped spreading its explanation for everything by the sword centuries ago. People knocking on your door asking to speak to you are dealt with more easily than Jihadists.

[@throckmortensnivel2850]

@@Gideon01 I said nothing about "by the sword". I merely referred to the "explanation for everything". And yes, the Christian church still does that. The difference is we no longer pay heed to what they say to the same extent. As far as the jihadis go, don't knock them. They've been a very effective tool of USA foreign policy for decades. There has been the occasional blowback, but that's only to be expected. Is it a coincidence that the most severe form of Islam is practised in the country that is also the largest buyer of USA arms? Perhaps you've never wondered why that is.

[@sebastianliwinski222]

Don't want to sound racist, however are there any British Muslims that serve in the British army?

[@katrinaisalwayscorrect]

I think all these libs praising hamas should read the Quran. 5:43, 10:94, & 2:40 Their Quran literally talks about the torah and refers to the jewish as isrealies.

[@ИнгаШор-н7к]

Дуглас❤❤❤❤

[@NicolaPetersky]

He has a gots говорить ПРАВДУ

[@johnsmith-if6yc]

Just read the Hamas Charter..

[@tonyteo7778]

But what does Hamas really want? Everything.

[@user-bz9cb8bp2y]

We see it, but can't say anything against it (racist) ❤️🇬🇧❤️🇮🇱

[@JustSnakes911]

the west replaced our secular leaders with islamists and it's our fault?

[@franklegarda6510]

I wonder if Palestinians watch Schindler's list in reverse so it has a happy ending

[@M123OCT]

I'm going extra shallow with my comment today, but I notice that one of the ways intellectuals signal their membership of the Intellectual Club is by sitting with their legs crossed, an affectation which is not only unnatural for 95% of men, but also terribly uncomfortable. I suspect they must spend considerable hours in practice in order to sit like this for any length of time. OK, back to the debate now. 👍

[@gerhardtmuller7439]

we just about got our own religious nuts back in their box and a whole load more turn up

[@stephenf2354]

Douglas Murray is Netanyahu's Joseph Goebells UK branch.

[@adamgates1142]

He wishes

[@stephenf2354]

@@adamgates1142 True, insult to Goebells.

[@cartesian_doubt6230]

Maajid skipped all the leg days.

[@truedogs4698]

Islam became a major talking point in the West as a direct result of our extreme interventions for 20 years in the Muslim world. Combine that with our society’s increased empathy in geopolitics. If it was Uganda we invaded and tortured, it would’ve been that area of the world instead of Islam

[@robertadler4354]

Sadly Maajid Nawaz completly lost his mind since back then.

[@ron88303]

They will prey on your empathy, fools.

[@Hyberlol]

But this is a major problem. Nobody in the west really knows what it is we are defending in Israel.....and that's done purposefully. Our media has not educated the public properly on this issue.

[@jasonvaughan5128]

Agreed. In my opinion it’s designed this way to create confusion. Division. The elite want the chaos. Want the violence. Want the deaths. Question is why.

[@AMERICAFIRSTBOSS]

just to be clear this war is complicated I'm not fully on Israel's side on politics neither am I fully on united States neither on Ukraine but one this is clear we first must be united to fight this enemy if not there will be no democracy period. now in this war I stand with israel! I will say something that will upset 50% of people so be it I will say the truth (I know the other 50% is just scared to say it) the Muslim religion has brought millions of cruel deaths in history look at sirya/iran/yemen/Afghanistan list goes On and on.. we fully know who's at blame and we must fight life has no value to them support Israel or we are all next! May God protect the united states 🇺🇸 May God protect israel 🇮🇱 peace with power!

[@amrgaly]

Usa feed on selling weapons and feeding on the conflicts , that is a short answer

[@phillipsturm5701]

Douglas Murray

[@RextheRebel]

The dissolution of the Soviet Union truly was one of rhe worst things to ever happen to the world.

[@marinafrish8434]

Have you ever lived in Soviet Union? I lived, my family lived. It was really people's prison.

[@metallicbeast]

Thank you.

[@stephenf2354]

Why does Murray always decline an invitation to a live debate with Prof Norman Finkelstein? He knows the outcome thats why.

[@raylax7056]

LMFAO....same reason Ben Shapiro does, puzzy cats with zero conscience love to talk on in their own echo chambers of distorted lies but when shyt hits the fan, are obviously nowhere to be seen, they conned you for the $$$ never actually believed a word they said or they'd debate Norm for free in fact and welcome their "phony exchange of ideas" lmfao. Norm beats them by default

[@13shadowwolf]

Finkelstein? When was he actually relevant? Doesn't he just sit at home and not actually go out in the field? Murray was in Gaza and Israel just within the last few weeks, there's footage from him being near some shelling that is all over the place. When has Finkelstein actually been in or around the conflict to gain a more complete understanding of the conflict?

[@adamgates1142]

@13shadowwolf He has been there several times but last time he went he was detained and deported by Israel.

[@13shadowwolf]

@@adamgates1142 why was he detained and denied entry? Oh yea, because of his public acknowledgement of Hezbollah and praise of their organization. Israel has a reason to be wary of people with obvious connections to groups that want to attack Israel. Finkelstein had been barred entry for 10 years in 2008, and it's not 2028 yet; maybe he shouldn't be surprised.

[@OpenHLZFocus]

Finkelstein? 😦👉 is NOT a "Holocaust survivor", as many comments say, this man shamelessly uses the story 🤥of his poor Jewish parents, it is totally false, of course he was born in NY in 1970... and he has an incendiary and violent speech. If you look closely into his eyes 😮you'll know what I'm talking about, and I'm being elegant. What can you contribute?

[@lakeice7581]

All Hamas wants is that all Palestinians property currently occupied or stolen is returned to its rightful owners as it was in 1946.

[@ef2718]

Land Survey of 1945: State land 71.6% Lebanese and Syrian landlords 16.5%. Local Jews 8.6%. Local Arab 3.3%. State Land, transferred from the Ottomans, to the British, and then to Israel.

[@anotherview321]

I love Maaajid..he just gets to the nub of the problem with out flannering about..

[@stubones]

Doesn’t matter what Hamas wants. Their pronouns are was/were.