Buying a SAILBOAT, GONE WRONG! Jeanneau

[@antonioferrari8891]

The model is great and comfortable! That one hit seriously a rock!

[@OceanCruisers]

definately hit something!

[@antonioferrari8891]

@@OceanCruisers 😀something HARD!!!!

[@licencetoswill]

best of luck finding the right one. keep the updates coming, and the podcasts too.

[@OceanCruisers]

Will do! thanks for following!

[@jansurlykkeschack7955]

Wow - That boat has been hit hard at the keel - under speed. You did the only right thing. The structural damage may not be visible and may be much more serious than the cosmetic damage. The moment sellers starts to down play - run - run - run as hell.

[@OceanCruisers]

very good points Jan! A lot of the footage we actually skipped on as the whole experience ended up being quite misserable for very difficult for us

[@iducatifan1]

Lets go guys, i'll live the dream vicariously through you.

[@OceanCruisers]

thanks mate!

[@shreksswamp9001]

Great video. And boy, I think I'd run for the hills on that one. You'd have to pull the whole interior apart and possibly look at the keel if it has been moved or damaged where it connects to the boat. Worst still, if it's a bolt on keel, then you may have to drop it and install new bolts. That is way more than a project boat, that is a nightmare. I think you did the right thing choosing the boat in the yard. Sure you couldn't take it for a sail, but it was there naked if you like so you could see everything that is wrong with it. Easier choice to make. Can't wait for the next video. Well done Hiba for the video editing too!

[@OceanCruisers]

lots of good points there mate! and thanks for watching hibas video 👍

[@shreksswamp9001]

@@OceanCruisers Look what Brett and Jade Evans had to do with their boat. They had the keel removed, totally demolished the inside of their boat to reglass the floor structures which were all broken and delaminated, then put the keel back on with new bolts. Huge job. If any keel like that has been bashed around that it affects the inside structures of the boat seen visibly, then I would walk away and not look back.

[@aquious953]

Avoid teak decks. Cost more than the boat to replace, and are a huge pain to tear off and paint the decks.

[@OceanCruisers]

that is factual information my friend 👍

[@JohnDoe-jq1br]

My guess is that it's run aground hard. Too expensive to fix, unless it's at a huge discount and you have the time, money, and skills to correct the problems.

[@OceanCruisers]

Yup, it needed to be heavily discounted

[@robhoward724]

Righto that was a sharp hit to the rocks when one of their guests run aground shame though did look clean good luck

[@OceanCruisers]

such a shame mate, other than that the boat was stunning. I spoke to a couple VERY experienced sailors who think it's possibly repetitive hitting on the bottom, like on a shallow mooring and the rigging being overtensioned. impossible to tell but not a sound boat! (Andy)

[@seanrhone5306]

The video at 7:30 is not "potential issues" it's "run, don't walk, away issues"! That boat has had serious damage from groundings.

[@OceanCruisers]

agreed Sean.

[@franckbrunie4759]

Big damage ! What was the model of that boat? Looks lovely

[@OceanCruisers]

yep! jeanneau 54ds

[@TheMikesylv]

I just watched another video series he brought a salvage boat it had the same issue because it ran a ground the grid structure basically breaks lose from the hull. They only glue the grid down and don’t tab it in , it’s a weakness in the design

[@OceanCruisers]

yeah on some of the new boats they just glue them in, these ones are heavily glassed.

[@Waterverf51]

Wise Move.! 👍

[@OceanCruisers]

we learn from those before us

[@philgray3443]

Two things I have seen. A Northshore with a compression post (mild steel would you believe) where the post was ready to exit the bottom of the boat. A certain model Jeanneau DS where the block under the compression post was collapsing. The marine ply inside the block was incorrectly positioned. Jeanneau were aware of the problem and issued repair instructions. Hard to spot unless the post has cracked the flowcoat. If you can get a feeler guage under the nuts on the bolts holding the mast step, or if you can tighten the bolts at all you have to remove the mast, compression post and get the angle grinder out. Then rebuild the block for the compression post to sit on. Tabbing faults aren't allways bad especially on a non epoxy boat because polyester doesn't hold on well to ply, especially on Friday afternoon boats.

[@OceanCruisers]

boats are boats right. none of them have been built perfect

[@philgray3443]

@@OceanCruisers Never a truer set of words

[@marcderveeuw]

Rule number one. Never buy a boat which was in charter.

[@OceanCruisers]

It seems we have a gentlemen's disagreement on that point Marc 🤣 (Andy)

[@paulwyand6204]

I have 3 issues with charter boats. First is they are abused by people who don't know what doing or don't really care. This was different in the 70-80's when they made boats extra tough specifically for the charter trade like CSY boats. Now they just use lightly built production boats, not good. Also maintenance has likely been patch it up to get her out for the next charter rather than properly fixed the right way, especially on old charter boats like these. If she isn't out sailing she aint making money. And third they are rarely the owners version so you are stuck with lots of small closterphobic cabins that you won't want to actuality live in. No walk around births, no comforts.

[@OceanCruisers]

good point Paul

[@philgray3443]

​@@paulwyand6204 Some charter companies are exceptional in their inspections and maintenance. Cumberland charters at Airlie Beach is one. However our old boat was ex charter, built tough but there were issues.

[@SailProMarina]

Agreed that vessel had taken a hard grounding and keel pounded and when they went to drag it off sideways with mast pulled over to free the keel it blew the structural integrity outta whack. I've seen it before .

[@enriquelaroche5370]

Certified Marine surveyors are worth every cent you pay them

[@OceanCruisers]

well, not all of them, I've seen many boats surveyed and major faults missed.

[@enriquelaroche5370]

@@OceanCruisers NAMS surveyors produce pretty standard reports which list the areas they looked and what they found. If it's not listed they did not look and likely did not find. Likely an experienced surveyor has a database of the same or similar boats they have surveyed and typical defects . while new owners may be looking at the boat for the first time.

[@OceanCruisers]

oh thats very cool

[@enriquelaroche5370]

@@OceanCruisers I used to provide IT support for NAMS surveyors. I helped them with the database. they could look up almost any production boat type and list the failures and flaws found over the entire model. That said, individual surveyors like individual plumbers can do more or less a good job.

[@martynbush]

Loving your work and enjoying seeing you live the dream. But, that background music is SERIOUSLY annoying!

[@OceanCruisers]

thanks Marty, notes on the music 👍

[@sailingsvbohemian1464]

Andy have you ever talked to a guy that sailed a swan 46 hard . The ones from the early 80s . I wonder how fast they’ll go at 22 knots of winds.

[@OceanCruisers]

yeah but I haven't asked then the hull speeds in various conditions. but I would expect as you would with a Swan from the 80s, it's probably decent. and comfortable.

[@caphorn7029]

Bonjours Hiba, Arthur et Andy. Je ne comprends pas comment un propriétaire peut mettre en vente un bateau avec des problêmes structuraux aussi importants. Heureusement vous avez pu vous en apercevoir assez tôt et cela vous a évité de perdre de l'argent. Cela va surement faire prendre du retard à vos projets mais je ne doute pas que vous allez trouver rapidement le bateau correspondant à vos attentes. Merci pour cette vidéo instructive. Prenez soin de vous. Amitiés du sud de la France.

[@OceanCruisers]

Hello to you also! please let me know your name too and thank you for that kind message 🙂 we have now found our boat and we will show you in another video soon. Speak soon

[@caphorn7029]

@@OceanCruisers Bonjour Hiba. Merci pour votre réponse très rapide. Je me prénomme Olivier.Très heureux que vous ayez trouvé le bateau qui correspond à vos attentes. Maintenant vos projets de voyages salés vont pouvoir prendre vie. En route pour des souvenirs incroyables. Prenez soin de vous. Amitiés. Olivier.

[@OceanCruisers]

thanks Oliver! I'm glad you are enjoying!

[@Antipodean33]

Hard keel strike has probably caused that damage. i'd never buy an ex charter boat for the simple reason the people sailing them don't give a shit about the boat and charter companies are well known for shitty maintaining schedules. It would have to be dirt cheap and I know whats needed and i'd have the funds to fix her

[@OceanCruisers]

very valid points mate!

[@johnperry7534]

I wouldn’t worry about a cracked bulkhead , it’s common and repairable . Just get a quote and that’s what needs doing and the cost and that’s it.

[@OceanCruisers]

Not a great place to start though. It would if cost a lot and then you still haven't addressed the cause

[@jacobuszwanenburg1629]

Like Monty python , run ! Run away further !

[@OceanCruisers]

Tis but a scratch ⚔️

[@iducatifan1]

Have you considered anything with an aluminum hull?

[@OceanCruisers]

nah, for the costal cruiser mid latitude cruising we will be doing there is no advantages to an aluminium hull

[@Yeaitstemp]

You should sew the list of problems for new boats all boats have issues

[@OceanCruisers]

yeah I have experienced that, better with a 5 year old one that's had all the faults fixed

[@Yeaitstemp]

@@OceanCruisers we call them covid boats lol

[@johan8724]

Hull thickness of fiberglas on these size boats should at least be 2/3 inch or 17 mm. Better even bit more. Doubt that is the case here.

[@OceanCruisers]

its about 15mm. Kevlar reinforced. none have collapsed on themselves yet.

[@johan8724]

@@OceanCruisers keelbolts are a weak spot and the area where the keel is bolted to and the rudder is exposed, no skeg to protect it. But for nice weather sailing around greece they'll do and an ocean crossing in good weather .

[@OceanCruisers]

@@johan8724 I agree. And that is the purpose of the vessel. A coastal cruiser for extended periods and a good weather ocean passage maker.

[@tjsailing5232]

It’s a chartered beneteau … enough said !

[@OceanCruisers]

Fair comment!

[@jackmarks2176]

I agree with ya, a chartered beneteau, add in a very hard grounding, enough said. Lot's of boats out there for sale.

[@briandale8386]

I seen a hard dodger that extended over those benches and the sides in the cockpit on a swan 46 on yachtworld. Its in Seattle Washington on the west coast. It looked bad ass . The price is 145 . Seems like a good deal. If anyone is looking . I’d check it out

[@OceanCruisers]

oh I would love to do something like that

[@briandale8386]

@@OceanCruisers go look it’s cool. I’ve never seen it on another swan . Makes me wanna do it to my boat to

[@NETFREIGHTSERVICESQUEENSLAND]

Watch the first 1 to 3 vids of Sear it Animal and lady K sailing Same prob as that boat has.

[@OceanCruisers]

yeah it could be. it was never diagnosed the broker told me a surveyor hadn't visited the boat and claimed it was in such condition I didn't deserve my deposit back for backing out.

[@cottagefarm3103]

Everything happens for a reason and sometimes the reason is you are stupid and make bad decisions 😅 we've all been there 😊

[@OceanCruisers]

😅

[@challanger275]

How much were they asking for it?

[@OceanCruisers]

200k mate (Andy)

[@hanssolo4ever]

​@Sailing Voyager - The Ocean Cruisers not worth it, that boat might need that much in repairs.

[@maritimetees2315]

She sure has a lot of volume. The youngster will have lots of space to run around. 😆

[@OceanCruisers]

how about the adults after a few drinks and a smoke Don? 🤣 (Andy)

[@maritimetees2315]

@Sailing Voyager - The Ocean Cruisers You know it brother. We must include Josh Post.

[@OceanCruisers]

He is going to come spend some time with me in June I think, really looking forward to it

[@robertgranafei2781]

Compression. That post transfers the load generated by the mast to the keel. Poorly built; major repair.

[@OceanCruisers]

a few very good experienced sailors said it's a combination of over tensioning of the rig and most likely a repetitive grounding, like bobbing on the bottom in a marina perhaps. it's a keel stepped mast

[@greenstaraz]

Always another Boat

[@OceanCruisers]

indeed!

[@keeldragger]

Hard pass on this boat!

[@OceanCruisers]

we passed on it hard!

[@challanger275]

@@OceanCruisers just curious how much are they asking in the first place? It’s a beautiful looking boat cosmetically it looks great

[@OceanCruisers]

200k mate, a bit above market price, cosmetically probably fair but the structural issues would sink it to low 100s IMHO

[@simonwhite41]

still on yachtworld at 160k@@OceanCruisers

[@OceanCruisers]

@@simonwhite41 really........ I wonder if its an old add or if it has been worked on

[@andreflavell3453]

I would never buy a production boat . Most people become slaves to them .

[@OceanCruisers]

valid point sir

[@andreflavell3453]

Look at better built boats . Less is more trust me .

[@franckbrunie4759]

No production boat? What then? Custom is even more slavery. Solidly built production boat like HR or Amel, no?

[@davidwarnes5158]

Strange to put a deposit on something you haven't seen , and over the last 3 years boat sales has been mega. So 2hy a boat sitting for a few years hasn't sold ? Most charter boats in that area take a bashing , meters isnt fun , I have done a few seasons bashing in those waves , 😂

[@OceanCruisers]

We did see it previously. We viewed it the previous year, this time we came back to survey the boat