Buying Affordable Top Watchmakers

[@nrs6956]

Thank you great tour. I try to set a limit financially on expenditures, but your groups are very enticing!

[@watchartsci]

Hi NRS, always buy within your budget. That's why I spend so much time finding about what's in a watch that's been overlooked by the 'Herd Buyers." Take care and be safe, Bill 😷

[@EdoardoDeLarge]

Nice to see the amount of things that make up watchmaking and the passion about it. Thanks for sharing Bill, always a pleasure to listen to you.

[@watchartsci]

Edoardo, the pleasure is all mine! Take care and be safe, Bill😷.

[@Tuneitupful]

Another excellent video Bill. Now I know about Daniel Roth, will sure be checking out those watches. Your videos always opens different ideas / thinks point, so thank you for your effort and alway cheerily manner to presenting.

[@watchartsci]

Tune-up..(you just got re-named by the spell-checker), thanks man! There's going to be a lot more about Daniel Roth and some of the other talented watchmakers of the 21st Centruy ... and we're only 20 years in! Stay well and take care, Bill 😷

[@Dongorgon777]

Roger Dubuis Easy Diver Chrono, using that lemania movement. The best finishing (geneva seal) on a movement for the money.

[@watchartsci]

That movement (dubbed RD57) is a real beauty, Richard. Take care and be safe, Bill😷

[@robertmueller3267]

Another awesome video! Your research really shows!

[@watchartsci]

Thanks Robert! It's always fun for me too! Take care and be safe, Bill 😷

[@TimG--]

Nice job Bill! “Watch Movement matters” (Though I own a Rolex not a great fan of them-they are tanks though) Nice video mate !!

[@watchartsci]

Hi Tim, thanks man! Nothing wrong with a nice tough watch. I appreciate my Roger Dubuis Easy Diver for the same reason. Stay safe and take care, Bill 😷

[@richardsims4717]

Thanks Bill.Informative and entertaining as always.Surprising what can be had for not astronomical sums of money.

[@watchartsci]

There's a definite upside of not being rich; you get to use your head instead of your pocketbook in watch-buying! Take care and stay safe, Bill😷

[@eddie-landzberg]

Another great video! We should make an actual written list with brands like these. I’m sure there are many more out there to discover and add to these few you mentioned in the video. Also, I watched the Roger Smith case making video. It’s truly incredible and awe-inspiring.

[@watchartsci]

Eddie, if I'm not mistaken Smith is trying to achieve all of the skills that George Daniels listed as the "complete" watchmaker-when Daniels died, he had met all but two. Roger wants to master all of them and he is certainly well on his way. Take care and stay safe😷 Bill

[@MarcJ2]

Hi Bill, fantastic watches and brands. Loved the video, great suggestions & in my opinion, covers many styles and tastes (including the naughty ones). Your RD watch is beautiful & those three lugs reminds of bear claws, a tough watch for a tough man. Thanks for the informative & entertaining video, best regards, Marc!

[@watchartsci]

Thanks Marc, it's all my pleasure. Take care and be safe, Bill

[@worldtimesa]

I think the Reoger Dubuis Hurcan is a special edition for the Lamborghini Hurcan, the Pirelli has something to do with F1 (Pirelli tires) etc

[@watchartsci]

Yep Aziz, it seems like every other watch is a "special edition." Did you check out the production numbers? They ranged from 1 to 88-not a lot of watches. Take care and stay safe, Bill😷

[@robertocarrillo9919]

Another great video Bill, im getting very close to decide my next watch, so far number 1 option is Roger Dubuis, i think it looks amazing!!

[@watchartsci]

Roberto, my RD Easy-D has been an absolute joy ... be sure to get one with the gold rotor and the RD14 movement-that's the read deal that Roger Dubuis created himself. Be safe and take care, Bill! 😷

[@robertocarrillo9919]

@@watchartsci thank you very much Bill, take care and stay safe.

[@h111551]

When Daniel Roth ran the Breguet Atelier for Chaumet Bros., Roth was contracting with Michel Parmigiani for work on high end complications. Breguets of this time are amazing amazing watches.

[@watchartsci]

Yes Howard! I'll bet you were one of the few who knew that Michel Parmigiani built the Breguet souscription watches. I thought it was Daniel Roth who breathed life back into the Breguet, with the 3130 (which is another 'like to have'), but it was Parmigiani who built the two souscription watches. Here's some more fun with a hand-wound pocket souscription watch by Breguet: www.thenakedwatchmaker.com/decon-breguet-souscription ... it's almost like getting an introduction to watchmaking because the movement is so clear and simple. Be safe and take care, Bill 😷

[@h111551]

WatchArtSci Don Locke who is a Connecticut resident and a friend of Mike Margolis was the North American Breguet Service Director and the North American ETA Service Director. He was involved with Breguet when Roth ran it and Parmigiani was working with Breguet. Don was the first North American rep for Parmigiani and actually designed an early Parmigiani reference. Don is probably about 80 but I had the pleasure of visiting with him in Arizona at about the first of the year when he was in town for a classic automobile event.

[@watchartsci]

He lives over in Danbury (or thereabouts), and I'd like to get over there and meet him after the pandemic is under control. There's another guy who lives about 15 minutes from me who makes watches and enamel dials who I'd like to meet as well.... again after this blasted pandemic is through. The almost criminal lack of direction from this current administration is beyond bad... I'm telling nothing you cannot be aware of in Arizona. Stay well and take care, Bill 😷

[@h111551]

WatchArtSci State government in Arizona is run by what Jonathan Swift aptly described as a Confederacy of Dunces.

[@watchartsci]

@@h111551 Where the Federal and State governments have failed to act responsibly ... at some point it comes down to people who want to protect themselves and their family and businesses-this whole experience is turning me into a Libertarian. Stay safe and take care, 😷

[@stevep4384]

Hey Bill, did you see that new Parmigiani chronograph? Looks great!

[@watchartsci]

Steve, I saw the new Kalpagraphe with the PF334 movement. Great looking watch. Maybe the price on the pre-owned market will make it affordable? Be safe and take care, Bill😷

[@stevep4384]

@@watchartsci Let's hope so! Cheers.

[@AbdulRWatches]

Great video Bill, I use to find so many deals on Daniel Roth watches on Catawiki, but they seem to have dried up. I really wanted to get a PC or a Chrono, and they were dirt cheap compared to what you are getting. I think a Roger Dubuis watches also are now getting all picked up quick, only downside for me is the size, but it looks like a top watch. I think Parmigiani is also one of those brands that are getting picked up by people who know the phonological value of the watch and were waiting like a hawk for the pre-owned market.

[@watchartsci]

Abdul, you are absolutely right. The choices are getting smaller and more expensive. We're not the only ones who find value in the watchmaker and not the re-sale value! Take care and stay safe, Bill😷

[@lisablackwell7658]

Hi Bill. Great video. Where did you find the Hours of Love Watch?

[@watchartsci]

Hi Lisa, I just did a Google search for "Antoine Preziuso Hours of Love"; then I clicked the "images," and below each image is a source. What you'll find is that most were from auctions and many were in Asia. (You'll have to remember to translate HKD into USD, Euros or Pounds or whatever unit of currency you use). It's funny that some of the best watchmakers have toyed with erotica, most notably Sven Andersen (andersen-geneve.ch/cabinet-de-curiosites/), but one of the wildest is by Ulysse Nardin-a recent series (2019) about an affair between a woman who falls off a boat and a mermaid.(www2.ulysse-nardin.com/new/manara ) Also, you can find lots of automata involving les amours in vintage pocket watches. Take care, Bill

[@diabew]

Great video as always Bill, I have a question if you had to choose between Patek 5327J and the Patek 5320G Which one would you go for ? Best, Dk

[@watchartsci]

DK, I'd go for the 5320G ... the dial is cleaner and it doesn't look like a chronograph. Take care, Bill

[@johnnyarsenault9124]

Hi Bill!, you really did your homeworks, beautiful, beautiful watches👌❤️

[@watchartsci]

Thanks John. One of the upsides of this pandemic is plenty of time to find out more about watches. Take care and stay safe, Bill😷

[@colinpickersgill5706]

Wow bill I love your videos ,,,as a watch lover I’ve seen.A lot of informative videos but you show watches I’ve never heard of before ....I’m a bit new lol although I have conversed with you a few times ...I love your live conferences also ..but parmigiani ...roger dubuiss and so on .all watches I’d not heard of also individual watch makers etc Gerald genta ...Daniel Roth .ive learnt so much ..I’m totally grateful cheers bill I’m even more into horology because of guys like you ....keep up the good work

[@watchartsci]

Hey Colin, thanks man! Learning everything I can about watchmaking talent is a lot of fun for me, and some others. I have no idea how some collectors do nothing but talk about the same few watches again and again ... but whatever floats your boat. Stay well and take care, Bill 😷

[@colinpickersgill5706]

WatchArtSci ps bill you must have a lot of top top watches I think you should show and review your collection..I for one would love to see them ❤️

[@watchartsci]

Here you go Colin ... my collection as of March 2020... the Roger Dubuis is the only one I've added since: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4nTm3mZd9itmqc Stay well and take care, Bill 😷

[@colinpickersgill5706]

WatchArtSci Wow bill thanks for sharing that link ...you’re collection is out of this world .you can see you’re heart and soul has gone into this ..I can imagine the story behind each piece ..habring 2 To fp journe. Patek Philippe to vacheron constantin..you only need audemars piguet to have the holy trinity .ps loved your wife’s piece ❤️. Every watch would grace any collection.i imagine it’s took you years to get so far but believe me it’s well worth it ,thanks again bill ,stay safe and all the best.

[@ForbinColossus]

That first Daniel Roth/Jean Daniel Nicolas tourbillon is gorgeous, but why show the movement with a huge plate that obscures?? Roth Retrograde and the 24 Cities are quite fetching! @14:16 Skeletonized Roger Dubuis look like some design from HR Geiger - to be charitable! I dont get the appeal - that skeletonized design looks like bad teen-aged taste. Bill, I really really like your RD14 Easy Diver, except for the needlessly limiting strap lugs. Nice vid - cheers, mate!

[@watchartsci]

Forbin, what I learned from the Bvlgari that I got for our son is that wide straps wear very comfortably for a larger watch. The Easy Diver is the biggest watch I own, but wears light as a feather. Maybe the 3rd center lug helps? As for the skeletonized Dubuis ... I agree. Take care and be safe 😷

[@cedarcanoe]

I expected you to mention Habring2 as an affordable luxury brand

[@watchartsci]

Hi Erik, there were lots more but it was pretty long as it was. Take care and be safe 😷

[@gilbertombp]

For sure, you'd be getting a lot of watch for your money with these, Bill, but some of them are acquired tastes - even for those with eclectic ones.

[@watchartsci]

Gilberto, acquired taste is right! The idea of having a true independent means that the watchmaker can develop his watches with the open field of an artist and craftsman. There's no focus group or corporate overseers to make watches that would satisfy the lowest common denominator. Stay well and take care, Bill 😷

[@JohnDoe-ub8fq]

Preziuso, what movements is he using? Or is he like DeWitt, all about the dial?

[@watchartsci]

Hi John, I really am not sure. For the really expensive 3Volution Tourbillons Preziuso, I'm assuming he uses his own. However, for a lot of the less expensive ones, I am not certain. Stay well and take care, Bill 😷

[@gamithaa]

Hi bill very good, pl put some effodable watches for 1000us to 3000us pl tks

[@watchartsci]

Saman, there were some in the 1-3k range... mostly in the pre-owned market. Here's one from high horology that's just over $3k, but there are plenty more on eBay and across the Internet. Check some out and I'll bet you can find a lot. Take care and stay safe, Bill😷

[@jeffreyblue627]

Great video Bill. My guess for the Breguet was Daniel Roth. Didn’t he work at Breguet for some time? Anyway, thanks again for another video focusing on magnificent watches that are unloved by the mindless lemming herd.

[@watchartsci]

Jeffrey, that would have been my choice too, and soon I hope to have a full Daniel Roth video. Take care and stay safe, Bill😷

[@tippykaffu4047]

I really love Parmigiani's design when they are conservative

[@watchartsci]

I'm pretty conservative about watch design too, but if there's something new and interesting in the mechanics (...other than smart watch tech, quartz or silicon) and in the way information is displayed on the dial, I like that a lot! Take care and stay safe, Bill😷

[@fkurcik]

I see you still have Henry Winston. It's a nice piece. I was thinking that Credor watches might also be included in this category. I did some research and it's not really a good deal. Only their top watches are good, but cost too much. Their more affordable pieces have great hand made dials and hand assembled ultra thin 3Hz manual wind movements, but their precision is +25 to -15 seconds. It's hard to believe they are satisfied with that.

[@watchartsci]

Frantisek, Credor seemed to be a watch that Seiko never was too sure what to do with and it kept bumping into the GS. Like the 4L movement, it somehow just didn't fit; but the 4L became a hit in the Soprod A10. Take care and be safe😷

[@wingkintang7257]

hours of love is the most interesting.

[@watchartsci]

Antoine Preziuso certainly has an interesting name for that watch, Wing. Sort of a turtle shaped case making it more interesting. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷

[@Rog5446]

According to Bill, Hours of Love = a couple going at it. So, taking Bill's word to be true, I said to my wife, would you like us to go at it for hours, I get a slap on the face and no nokie.

[@watchartsci]

Rog, please tell your wife for me ... you had it coming. Take care and be safe, Bill 😷

[@garf6615]

Horology.

[@watchartsci]

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